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  1. #4121
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post

    Lots of people say what you said jbjb. I don't mind and I'm sure he doesn't mind.
    I'm sure he doesn't. No matter though, someone's religious beliefs have no bearing on whether I like their products or not.
    2 years ago I bought four of his pillows for my RV from his website for 180 bucks. That made me think he's just another crook. But we like the pillows, my dog sleeps on them very comfortably during the day when we're in it, so I believe he's escaped damnation. For now.
    Rob that RV has to be like 20 years old by now. They almost never appreciate in value.

  2. #4122
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    I'm sure he doesn't. No matter though, someone's religious beliefs have no bearing on whether I like their products or not.
    2 years ago I bought four of his pillows for my RV from his website for 180 bucks. That made me think he's just another crook. But we like the pillows, my dog sleeps on them very comfortably during the day when we're in it, so I believe he's escaped damnation. For now.
    Rob that RV has to be like 20 years old by now. They almost never appreciate in value.
    Correct that they never appreciate, and they depreciate big time. They also cost an arm and a leg to maintain and operate. Towing a small car nets it 5 mpg of diesel if I'm lucky. But it's "only" about 8 years old. No one buys them as an investment. They have loss written all over them. If I didn't use easy money I wouldn't have purchased it.

  3. #4123
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post

    2 years ago I bought four of his pillows for my RV from his website for 180 bucks. That made me think he's just another crook. But we like the pillows, my dog sleeps on them very comfortably during the day when we're in it, so I believe he's escaped damnation. For now.
    Rob that RV has to be like 20 years old by now. They almost never appreciate in value.
    Correct that they never appreciate, and they depreciate big time. They also cost an arm and a leg to maintain and operate. Towing a small car nets it 5 mpg of diesel if I'm lucky. But it's "only" about 8 years old. No one buys them as an investment. They have loss written all over them. If I didn't use easy money I wouldn't have purchased it.
    In certain areas you can buy a used RV that will appreciate in value depending on the economy. People buy them to live in when rents and things start to get expensive. I would really like to get an RV. I almost bought one that was a really good deal, but I realized, I really don't have any place to park it.

  4. #4124
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    2 years ago I bought four of his pillows for my RV from his website for 180 bucks. That made me think he's just another crook. But we like the pillows, my dog sleeps on them very comfortably during the day when we're in it, so I believe he's escaped damnation. For now.
    For god sakes, you married the woman and have spent a life together. Don't refer to her as the dog.
    Uncalled for. But, subtle golf clap.

  5. #4125
    Originally Posted by Deech View Post
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    2 years ago I bought four of his pillows for my RV from his website for 180 bucks. That made me think he's just another crook. But we like the pillows, my dog sleeps on them very comfortably during the day when we're in it, so I believe he's escaped damnation. For now.
    For god sakes, you married the woman and have spent a life together. Don't refer to her as the dog.
    Uncalled for. But, subtle golf clap.
    Uncalled for? I actually thought this was one of Kj's better posts. It shows he has a sense of humor. That is very unusual for a liberal, especially a gay liberal. There might be some hope for him yet.

  6. #4126
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    Originally Posted by Deech View Post
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post

    For god sakes, you married the woman and have spent a life together. Don't refer to her as the dog.
    Uncalled for. But, subtle golf clap.
    Uncalled for? I actually thought this was one of Kj's better posts. It shows he has a sense of humor. That is very unusual for a liberal, especially a gay liberal. There might be some hope for him yet.
    Yeah lighten up on the guy. Every day the casinos stay closed means he's not out losing mommy's money.

  7. #4127
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    Uncalled for? I actually thought this was one of Kj's better posts. It shows he has a sense of humor. That is very unusual for a liberal, especially a gay liberal. There might be some hope for him yet.
    This will blow your mind.
    kewlJ says that he is a Gay Conservative.
    Doesn't seem possible.
    I didn't think Gay Christians could exist either but it is a thing.
    They even have a whole church around the notion.
    Mindboggling to me.

  8. #4128
    Originally Posted by monet View Post
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    Uncalled for? I actually thought this was one of Kj's better posts. It shows he has a sense of humor. That is very unusual for a liberal, especially a gay liberal. There might be some hope for him yet.
    This will blow your mind.
    kewlJ says that he is a Gay Conservative.
    Doesn't seem possible.
    I didn't think Gay Christians could exist either but it is a thing.
    They even have a whole church around the notion.
    Mindboggling to me.
    Never heard of the Lob Cabin Republicans?

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  9. #4129
    Originally Posted by monet View Post
    This will blow your mind.
    kewlJ says that he is a Gay Conservative.
    Doesn't seem possible.
    I didn't think Gay Christians could exist either but it is a thing.
    They even have a whole church around the notion.
    Mindboggling to me.
    What is mindboggling to me is the people who call themselves Christian that are so full of hate for anyone different than themselves. A good portion of biblical writings is up to interpretation. And most people don't even interpret it for themselves. They rely on so called religious leaders to tell them. For Catholics a small group of men in the Vatican, for other religions various other religious leaders, many of them Jerry Falwell types who have enriched themselves at the expense of those that they lead (or mislead). Even under the most liberal interpretation, I don't see anything that says to hate those different than you, including race, religion, gender and yes sexual orientation. The God I know and talk to everyday has never told me that.

    I attended a few of the Dignity church services (that is the gay catholic services) back when I lived in Philadelphia. I didn't care for that either. They bend interpretations to their likings just as extreme as the people like you do Monet. I don't need anyone to tell me what was meant by different passages.

    Wars have been and continue to be fought over religion. I just have a really hard time believing that God is telling anyone to kill those that pray to a different god or in a different manner. These people better take a closer look at their God. They might find a guy with a red face, horns and a tail masquerading underneath.

    Here is another mindboggling thing to me. Most of you religious conservatives call yourself pro-life. But only when it is convenient. You raise hell about abortions, but in the same breath think the death penalty is ok. You justify it because you say someone has committed a crime. Man doesn't have the right to make that decision, only God does.

    And in the last week or so, with these open America back up protests, I see the same thing with a different twist. Some of these same people that at other rally's would be holding pro-life signs, are saying things like "only the very old are in danger, why should we all shut down to protect them?" I guess that is pro-life, except when it is not convenient to be pro-life.

    I am a fiscal conservative. That means on financial issues, I am a conservative. I am for smaller government and paying down the debt. The republicans used to be for these things, but even before the fiscal nightmare of the last 2 months, republicans long ago gave up on that charade. They spend just as much as democrats, only difference is they spend on things that benefit their the rich which is their base, while everything the Dems do is geared toward the poor (their base). And in all cases, the lawmakers in charge take their skim off the top, lining their own pockets. So there is no difference in these parties any more.

  10. #4130
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by monet View Post
    This will blow your mind.
    kewlJ says that he is a Gay Conservative.
    Doesn't seem possible.
    I didn't think Gay Christians could exist either but it is a thing.
    They even have a whole church around the notion.
    Mindboggling to me.
    What is mindboggling to me is the people who call themselves Christian that are so full of hate for anyone different than themselves. A good portion of biblical writings is up to interpretation. And most people don't even interpret it for themselves. They rely on so called religious leaders to tell them. For Catholics a small group of men in the Vatican, for other religions various other religious leaders, many of them Jerry Falwell types who have enriched themselves at the expense of those that they lead (or mislead). Even under the most liberal interpretation, I don't see anything that says to hate those different than you, including race, religion, gender and yes sexual orientation. The God I know and talk to everyday has never told me that.

    I attended a few of the Dignity church services (that is the gay catholic services) back when I lived in Philadelphia. I didn't care for that either. They bend interpretations to their likings just as extreme as the people like you do Monet. I don't need anyone to tell me what was meant by different passages.

    Wars have been and continue to be fought over religion. I just have a really hard time believing that God is telling anyone to kill those that pray to a different god or in a different manner. These people better take a closer look at their God. They might find a guy with a red face, horns and a tail masquerading underneath.

    Here is another mindboggling thing to me. Most of you religious conservatives call yourself pro-life. But only when it is convenient. You raise hell about abortions, but in the same breath think the death penalty is ok. You justify it because you say someone has committed a crime. Man doesn't have the right to make that decision, only God does.

    And in the last week or so, with these open America back up protests, I see the same thing with a different twist. Some of these same people that at other rally's would be holding pro-life signs, are saying things like "only the very old are in danger, why should we all shut down to protect them?" I guess that is pro-life, except when it is not convenient to be pro-life.

    I am a fiscal conservative. That means on financial issues, I am a conservative. I am for smaller government and paying down the debt. The republicans used to be for these things, but even before the fiscal nightmare of the last 2 months, republicans long ago gave up on that charade. They spend just as much as democrats, only difference is they spend on things that benefit their the rich which is their base, while everything the Dems do is geared toward the poor (their base). And in all cases, the lawmakers in charge take their skim off the top, lining their own pockets. So there is no difference in these parties any more.
    KJ, there are a lot of things people could give up that would save lives....like driving. Giving up your freedom over coronavirus is just one of them. Are you really down with government ordering you not to come out of your house?
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  11. #4131
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post

    And in the last week or so, with these open America back up protests, I see the same thing with a different twist. Some of these same people that at other rally's would be holding pro-life signs, are saying things like "only the very old are in danger, why should we all shut down to protect them?" I guess that is pro-life, except when it is not convenient to be pro-life.

    .
    Certainly an interesting observation and something to think about.

    Regarding your comment about there being different ways to interpret the Bible.

    Why is there different ways to interpret the Bible? God should have known better and guided the people writing it to make it more clear. I never understood why God wants to make things so confusing. Perhaps only the truly pure of heart heaven deserving people have the insight to completely understand the Bible and that's how everyone else is weeded out and the 288k will be selected. I'm fairly certain that if Jesus came tomorrow none here would be selected for the afterlife.

  12. #4132
    The biggest misconception out there is that Republicans and Trump only like helping the rich. Has anybody looked at Hollywood lately?

    Kew your religious beliefs are fine for you but they're also hypocritical and convenient. Abortion is never gonna be resolved satisfactorily, so don't be complaining about extremists saying the hell with old people either. "Out with the old/In with the new" is what makes the world turn. We get one chance to do our best by being productive and caring towards others--and I'm not talking about being your charming best on internet forums. These were created for entertainment purposes so clever people could easily insult those who provide the most precious reactions. Most choose to waste their chance, abuse their incredibly complex and amazing bodies, or corrupt the meaning behind the creation of new life.

    By the way, stop believing in the guy with the tail and pitchfork. If indeed there is a God there's no way he'd threaten people with "eternal suffering" led by his biggest bad boy. Nobody would ever deserve that fate after what they go thru in this world at times. THIS is where we all suffer. Even Hitler will be forgiven eventually. It is what good does.

    Finally....look in the mirror bud. There is NO ONE who gets more upset with others not seeing things their way than you...and it's not even close. Of course, much of that can be attributed to the overall failings of your "entitled" generation, but we haven't given up hope yet.

  13. #4133
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    Originally Posted by Deech View Post

    Uncalled for. But, subtle golf clap.
    Uncalled for? I actually thought this was one of Kj's better posts. It shows he has a sense of humor. That is very unusual for a liberal, especially a gay liberal. There might be some hope for him yet.
    Yeah lighten up on the guy. Every day the casinos stay closed means he's not out losing mommy's money.
    Just hold on there, remember there was a period of time when Miss Daisy KJ was driving and dropping/picking up the real Miss Daisy every 35 minutes at the casinos' doors, repeated all day. See KJ even took a Hollywood movie to a whole new level.

  14. #4134
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Originally Posted by monet View Post
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    Uncalled for? I actually thought this was one of Kj's better posts. It shows he has a sense of humor. That is very unusual for a liberal, especially a gay liberal. There might be some hope for him yet.
    This will blow your mind.
    kewlJ says that he is a Gay Conservative.
    Doesn't seem possible.
    I didn't think Gay Christians could exist either but it is a thing.
    They even have a whole church around the notion.
    Mindboggling to me.
    Never heard of the Lob Cabin Republicans?

    https://r.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=AwrU...xOQ3_alkzwUsg-
    I certainly don't agree with the paradox.
    I get it that some people will take campaign contributions from any group.
    This idea that it is a good thing for Homosexuals, Lesbians, Transgenders, etc etc are allowed to teach a group of 5 year olds is ridiculous.
    No wonder more and more 12 year olds are identifying as Transgender.
    Might as well let the kids sacrifice live chickens and teach them Voodoo along with Satanism.

  15. #4135
    A certain former member on here is now trying to discuss Rob over at WoV. The guy loves drama. I see can that leading to a shitshow and multiple suspensions over there if allowed.

    It would go against the Wizards rule on discussing banned members and bringing stuff from other forums there. But he also gets enjoyment from some of this stuff sometimes like he did with Tasha.

    If the former member can add some perversion discussion into it, it’s a lock he will allow it.

  16. #4136
    Originally Posted by The Boz View Post
    A certain former member on here is now trying to discuss Rob over at WoV. The guy loves drama. I see can that leading to a shitshow and multiple suspensions over there if allowed.

    It would go against the Wizards rule on discussing banned members and bringing stuff from other forums there. But he also gets enjoyment from some of this stuff sometimes like he did with Tasha.

    If the former member can add some perversion discussion into it, it’s a lock he will allow it.
    About me, I remember posters saying something like,"I knew it was going to be the beginning of the end for Nathan as soon as she started talking shit about games she loved that she knew other Posters looked down on and admitted she was desperate to fit in on WOV." Talking shit about games I loved in order to be more accepted on WOV backfired on me big time. I hated talking shit about Lottery and Slots but thought I would look like an AP for turning on those games that I loved. Not only was I NOT more accepted as a AP and fit in more, I am permeanantly banned from both WOV and DT anyways. What a stupid thing I did.
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  17. #4137
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    seeking a favor from one of the WoV members.

    Thread entitled 7 years of casino cheating or something like that, started by a brand new member.

    I don't think this member identified herself as a female (maybe she did), but I get the vibe that she is, not that it matters.

    So anyway this person, a dealer or so they claim, shares their thoughts and suspicions involving shufflemaster shuffle machines. I don't see where this person referenced if her comments were in regards to the continuous shuffle machines (CSM) or the automatic shuffle machines (ASM) that shuffle at the end of the shoe. I previously owned an ASM and currently own a one2six CSM so I am very familiar with both and what they can an cannot do. There is one particular accusation that is rather interesting.

    I would just like clarification as to which type of machine she is alluding to, so could someone please ask that. I don't think that is against any WoV rules of passing messages along.

    thanx
    So I was able to get my question asked. Unfortunately the original poster making the claim hasn't responded to the question.

    There is a part of her claim that is very credible and intriguing, but there is a part that comes of as a disgruntled employee making a claim about things she doesn't completely understand.

    But the funny part is Zcore, the big casino guy and casino supporter over there immediately jumped to the casino's defense as he always does, trying to discredit the claim as impossible. Any accusation of wrongdoing by any casino or the industry as a whole and Zcore, is there to say "impossible". He has said some things are impossible that I know are possible because I have one of the machines in question and used to own the other. So in my mind, Zcore adamantly defending a casino or casino actions, says to me, it is probably true.

  18. #4138
    It's always ONLY card counters saying the machines cheat. Why is that??? Your miniscule edge plus HIGH variance will cause many weird losses. Hand shuffles are NO DIFFERENT. Just slower.

  19. #4139
    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    It's always ONLY card counters saying the machines cheat. Why is that??? Your miniscule edge plus HIGH variance will cause many weird losses. Hand shuffles are NO DIFFERENT. Just slower.
    Come on jbjb, give me a little credit. I am not Zenking or one of these players with very little experience (not saying Zenking has very little experience) making this claim. I play 75-80 thousand rounds a years for 16+ years now. I know how variance works and I know when something is not quite right.

    When I first encountered the two machines at EC that I exposed, I didn't know what exactly was going on. but I know something wasn't right. I quickly knew not only my results were out of whack on those two tables only, but that the frequency of high counts was out of whack. That is when I started tracking the machines by count. Over 200 shoes (it was DD dealt from a shoe), some I backcounted while not playing, some I played flat betting $5 and 96% of the shoes went to a TC of either +4 0r -4, many of them even higher. While a small sample size, that is pretty far from normal and confirms clumping.

    It intrigued me so much that I purchased a machine. Bought it overseas and had to fanagle getting it into the country. Had it sent to a friend in Canada who brought it to me because Shufflemaster makes it very difficult to get these possession of these machines. And while not factory set, with a minor adjustment by a programmer who knows what they are doing, the machines can clump cards into all sorts of configurations.

    I later passed that machine on to a well known Table game AP here in Vegas, maybe the "king", so you should talk to him. He too knows what these machines are capable., but unlike the mistake I made going public, he keeps it to himself and his team for their benefit.

    This argument is just ridiculous. If the machine is capable of putting the cards back in sequential order (and no one argues that), it is just as capable of putting them in almost any order desired. It is the very same capability.

  20. #4140
    Originally Posted by Tasha View Post
    Originally Posted by The Boz View Post
    A certain former member on here is now trying to discuss Rob over at WoV. The guy loves drama. I see can that leading to a shitshow and multiple suspensions over there if allowed.

    It would go against the Wizards rule on discussing banned members and bringing stuff from other forums there. But he also gets enjoyment from some of this stuff sometimes like he did with Tasha.

    If the former member can add some perversion discussion into it, it’s a lock he will allow it.
    About me, I remember posters saying something like,"I knew it was going to be the beginning of the end for Nathan as soon as she started talking shit about games she loved that she knew other Posters looked down on and admitted she was desperate to fit in on WOV." Talking shit about games I loved in order to be more accepted on WOV backfired on me big time. I hated talking shit about Lottery and Slots but thought I would look like an AP for turning on those games that I loved. Not only was I NOT more accepted as a AP and fit in more, I am permeanantly banned from both WOV and DT anyways. What a stupid thing I did.
    Maybe what win lotto from stimlus, Tasha buy $40 prepay phone with internet, get back in horse.

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