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  1. #5101
    Originally Posted by coach belly View Post
    Originally Posted by Darkoz View Post
    I do know of a few places that will not only lock a players card but lock the Tito earned from the card as well.
    If the TITO earned from a card is locked, then I'm assuming the card is locked during the use of FP redeemed with that card. Is that correct?

    Under what circumstances would the casino lock a player's card during play?
    It's an attempt to have "suspect" cards and suspect players come to them.

    Instead of security monitoring machines and cards they let the player gamble the Freeplay. The lock was already there.

    When the voucher does not cash out you naturally take it to the cashier. Once it shows flagged they will tell you to wait for a supervisor. Security will surround you.

    Of course if it's on your name, you just show your ID and the card may be unlocked by the host. Maybe not.

    There are sometimes legit reasons a voucher isn't accepted. The barcode may malfunction and you do have to go to a cashier.

    It's a tricky situation

  2. #5102
    Originally Posted by Darkoz View Post
    It's a tricky situation
    Late last year/earlier this year, my players cards began to frequently stop working, sometimes it happened more than once per day.

    Not due to flagging (as far as I know), but due to the magnetic strip malfunctioning or whatever.

    No big deal to get my own cards replaced at the desk (or kiosk if available) but what about another player's card...how do you deal with replacing their cards that don't work?

  3. #5103
    Originally Posted by coach belly View Post
    Originally Posted by Darkoz View Post
    It's a tricky situation
    Late last year/earlier this year, my players cards began to frequently stop working, sometimes it happened more than once per day.

    Not due to flagging (as far as I know), but due to the magnetic strip malfunctioning or whatever.

    No big deal to get my own cards replaced at the desk (or kiosk if available) but what about another player's card...how do you deal with replacing their cards that don't work?
    Keeping cards in a wallet help avoid malfunctioning strips.

    All of my cards are used with permission of the named holders. They are part of my team and are only happy to go get a card replaced. I pay them for the added hassle.

    When they do get me cards I have them ask for two copies so I have a backup in case one fails.

    Nonetheless I have lost offers due to card failure and the card holder unavailable.

    As part of my team if a casino ever attempts to claim I am stealing the offers all my people will confirm they gave me permission to use their cards. So it's important to have people who can be quickly contacted

  4. #5104
    Originally Posted by Darkoz View Post
    All of my cards are used with permission of the named holders. They are part of my team and are only happy to go get a card replaced. I pay them for the added hassle.
    How many players are on your team? 80+ ?

    What if the casino is located several hours from their residence?

  5. #5105
    Originally Posted by Darkoz View Post
    Originally Posted by coach belly View Post
    Originally Posted by Darkoz View Post
    It's not a half hour job
    You wrote earlier that you could run 20 cards in one hour at VBJ.

    3 minutes per card?
    I believe I said 90 minutes.

    Really how long does it take you guys to do ten hands of VBJ?
    When I played it I could get out 18 hands a minute on the IGT Game Kings.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  6. #5106
    Originally Posted by coach belly View Post
    Originally Posted by Darkoz View Post
    All of my cards are used with permission of the named holders. They are part of my team and are only happy to go get a card replaced. I pay them for the added hassle.
    How many players are on your team? 80+ ?

    What if the casino is located several hours from their residence?
    There are different levels of team members.

    Low level team members just get me cards (no pickups etc).

    It's fluid. I'm not sure but it's in the hundreds.

    I try to keep people near the markets but I have flown people to sign up and replace cards.

    When I was burglarized in January 2019 the guy stole my players cards not understanding they were worthless to him without the pins. I probably spent close to fifty grand paying everyone to go replace their cards on top of my financial loss from the robbery

  7. #5107
    Originally Posted by coach belly View Post
    How many players are on your team?
    Originally Posted by Darkoz View Post
    I'm not sure but it's in the hundreds.
    Franklin said "Three can keep a secret if two of them are dead"

    How do you manage hundreds? There must be some that you don't know very well.

    I'd ask the same about the PIN #'s...how do you manage them?

  8. #5108
    Originally Posted by coach belly View Post
    Originally Posted by coach belly View Post
    How many players are on your team?
    Originally Posted by Darkoz View Post
    I'm not sure but it's in the hundreds.
    Franklin said "Three can keep a secret if two of them are dead"

    How do you manage hundreds? There must be some that you don't know very well.

    I'd ask the same about the PIN #'s...how do you manage them?
    My people get paid to go get the cards.

    If I am using their card during a particular month they get another payment.

    And what are they going to squeal on? They gave me their cards. Why call the casino and explain that to them when they can just wait for their monthly payment and the next casino to go to.

    Pin numbers are just a record keeping issue and with cellphone technology it's easy to make notes or texts to yourself if you forget a pin

  9. #5109
    Originally Posted by Darkoz View Post
    And what are they going to squeal on?
    Do any of them know each other?

    Could they cut you out and play the FP off themselves?

  10. #5110
    Originally Posted by Darkoz View Post
    Originally Posted by MDawg View Post
    The only free play you get that's truly free on these cards is for new players. And as noted above, which he could not refute, the numbers do not add up - he could not sustain the new player sign up as there simply could not be enough free bodies who have never stepped foot in the casino willing to just hand over their free play to this guy.

    As far as "earned" free play along the way, he's playing stupid machines, with no edge, with no special skills, which almost no one wins at, so the earned after the initial sign up free play would not be expected to be of value against the actual coin input.

    So we're back to his needing an army - something like 10000 new players per year - all willing to hand over 100% of their free play to him for nothing, and an army of workers willing to work for free, in order for him personally to net a million a year. He is not making that much a year.

    It's a low end, unsustainable, scam that according to him puts food in the mouths of a group of people, is all. Not putting it down per se, but I can see perhaps how it would seem like Xanadu to someone recently coming from the streets.

    I mean when I win ten or twenty grand at the casinos in the back of my mind is how I am wasting my time, because there are so many much bigger ventures for me. I do the casinos for fun. The thrill of beating them.
    You are simply wrong in your assessment of what and how to achieve earned freeplay.
    On this we agree for a change.

  11. #5111
    You guys that are jealous of DarkOz can at least console yourself with the thought that gross revenues are not the same thing as profits.

  12. #5112
    Originally Posted by Darkoz View Post
    it's easy to make notes or texts to yourself if you forget a pin
    Forget a pin? Do you memorize most of the pins?

  13. #5113
    Originally Posted by coach belly View Post
    Originally Posted by Darkoz View Post
    it's easy to make notes or texts to yourself if you forget a pin
    Forget a pin? Do you memorize most of the pins?
    New people I write them down.

    Many people have been with me for years and maintain the same pin so it's easy to remember.

    If a pin is forgotten, remember I can just call or text the person for his pin

  14. #5114
    Originally Posted by coach belly View Post
    Originally Posted by Darkoz View Post
    And what are they going to squeal on?
    Do any of them know each other?

    Could they cut you out and play the FP off themselves?
    Many of them know each other. They get recommended by other people who I have already worked with.

    It is surprisingly rare but yes, they could change the pin and cut me out of the freeplay.

    Almost to a person each one that did it realized it was a mistake. Their friends and family who recommended them are still making money through me years later. I have had then ask for a second chance but sorry, you screw me up once, you aren't being trusted again

    It's an ongoing payment thing because I am always sending people to different casinos for different cards so in general they stay faithful.

    Everytime I got screwed it was by a gambler. I try to recruit people who don't gamble. They are happy to make money, don't feel compelled to go take the offers.

    BTW, I just take the freeplay. Besides paying then for using their cards they are welcome to come take their hotels, free food, gifts, etc.

    One casino was giving away 32" flat screens. We rented a minibus for all of us. Anyone who wanted a flatscreen showed up. We walked away with like 40 flatscreens.

    My people are generally pretty happy
    Last edited by Darkoz; 07-10-2020 at 04:21 PM.

  15. #5115
    Originally Posted by Darkoz View Post
    they could change the pin and cut me out of the freeplay.
    Why would they need to change the pin to play the FP off themselves?

  16. #5116
    Originally Posted by Darkoz View Post
    Many people have been with me for years and maintain the same pin so it's easy to remember.
    I was thinking more along the lines of when you have workers playing 20 cards.

    They must be using some kind of reference for the pins for all those cards which you supply along with the cards.

  17. #5117
    Anyone else find it funny how the Wizard is violating his own rules by discussing politics in the Vegas Closing thread?

    My bet is the little man suspends himself for 3 days if he has any balls. We know he reads this forum and is probably getting jealous of all the action over here.

    And by “bet”, no I’m not willing to wager on it because he can control it. Same odds as him pleasuring himself after every new video with Angela.

  18. #5118
    Originally Posted by coach belly View Post
    Originally Posted by Darkoz View Post
    Many people have been with me for years and maintain the same pin so it's easy to remember.
    I was thinking more along the lines of when you have workers playing 20 cards.

    They must be using some kind of reference for the pins for all those cards which you supply along with the cards.
    Anyone pulling for me has been with me a long time and knows how to keep that info safe.

    How they access it or memorize it I leave up to them.

    Remember everyone is just a text message away from a pin number they forgot

  19. #5119
    Originally Posted by coach belly View Post
    Originally Posted by Darkoz View Post
    they could change the pin and cut me out of the freeplay.
    Why would they need to change the pin to play the FP off themselves?
    No one ever tells me in advance "Hey changed my mind. I know you paid me for going but I'm bowing out and taking the offers myself".

    They simply go down and start grabbing their offers.

    If they want to be certain none of my people (who they gave permission to use their cards) shoes up first, they will change their pin.

  20. #5120
    Originally Posted by Darkoz View Post
    Originally Posted by coach belly View Post
    Originally Posted by Darkoz View Post
    Many people have been with me for years and maintain the same pin so it's easy to remember.
    I was thinking more along the lines of when you have workers playing 20 cards.

    They must be using some kind of reference for the pins for all those cards which you supply along with the cards.
    Anyone pulling for me has been with me a long time and knows how to keep that info safe.

    How they access it or memorize it I leave up to them.

    Remember everyone is just a text message away from a pin number they forgot
    Honest question Dark Oz, and the same one I asked others in the past. What is the benefit to you for answering all these questions? Not just from Coach, but from anyone.

    It’s either egotistical or to piss off others, but I see no benefit to you financially.

    What am I missing?

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