The WoV Thread

[coach belly]

you actually believe that you are some kind of AP.

What gives you the impression that MD believes he's an AP, or that he is concerned
with being labeled an AP, or pays any attention whatsoever to the AP designation?

[Garnabby]

When it's time to place the larger bets, I don't waffle.

When it's time to place the larger bets, I don't waffle.

You think that you can get away with saying the above quote. We let you get away with it! The reason being is that it is so funny that you actually believe that you are some kind of AP. That's ENTERTAINMENT at its finest.

Ooh, the big bad wolves.

Looks like the Dawg has you right where he wants you. Which, of course, is fine, with me.

It's Singer all over, again.

[MisterV]

It's a dirty job but someone's got to whack 'em.

Those pesky moles ...

[BoSox]

you actually believe that you are some kind of AP.

What gives you the impression that MD believes he's an AP, or that he is concerned
with being labeled an AP, or pays any attention whatsoever to the AP designation?

I rather not get a return questions from his press secretary or secret service help.

[blackhole]

I will accept that wager, if there is a set time frame. I mean if it is open ended, I can never win, only lose. A free roll for you.

So if you want to make it say 6 months from today, 8/03/21, I will accept. I am not going to call for some huge amount, because those wagers never come to fruition. I will just accept for $100 and even trust you to for it. Let me know.

Well you didn't accept the offer and I am now withdrawing it. One of my two concerns has been address with the reversal of my suspension yesterday. That being the case, I feel obligated to return and voice my remaining concern. Who knows how that will go.

Had you accepted my wager in a timely fashion, you could have put me in a real box as far as returning Monet.

Oh my ... Can anyone here possibly take Kewlj's bullshit anymore?

A real man would've said fuck you and your reversal. You should've never done it in the first place.

No one said we were actually dealing with a normal man. Kewlj handled this exactly as expected with the amount of wires that are crossed in his TROLL mind.

[BoSox]

Mdawg, the way I look at it is there is no free ride. If you go through life getting everything for free eventually the angel of death catches up with you and you die with all of your money. Remember the old Fram oil filter commercials with their big line that said :

Pay me now or pay me later.

[Ozzy]

The 2 hardcores Axel and Mdog, got released " early" LMAO, they waste no time heading for each other's throats ( g rated) funny anyhow. They are still in "Red" back in forth. FatBilly tries his hardest to be the "spoiler". Why don't you go back and eat your frozen pizzas from the BigApple fatboy.

[MDawg]

Yes I am not sure what happened there. AxelAss stepped in to troll me hard, and all I did for the most part was just point out how he was repeatedly violating specific WOV forum rules, when OnceDear stepped in to ask us to knock it off using a WOV-disapproved (profane) comic image, and then allasudden all three of us were suspended. If we are to believe that OD is in fact suspended that is.

I assume this is more of a "stand in the corner until you two knock it off" type suspension, but who knows.

[MisterV]

MDawg, why can't you simply kneel to Axel and the rest of your detractors and admit the error of your posting ways?

Admit that you're deliberately lyng in order to build your image up in the eyes of strangers.

Admit that you lose just like the rest of us non-AP's.

The time is nigh for you to perform these acts of contrition; if you festoon yourself with such a hair shirt you might, I say might, be accepted back into the fold as a regular joe instead of being viewed as a two-headed calf like Garnabby.

Just sayin'.

[Ozzy]

Hey KJ, your doing a good job being civil with your buddy Moses. Looks like that guy has done a 180, wow hard to believe it's the same guy. Powerful meds must be doing wonders for him.

[kewlJ]

Hey KJ, your doing a good job being civil with your buddy Moses. Looks like that guy has done a 180, wow hard to believe it's the same guy.

What can I say...I'm a people person.

[Ozzy]

Hey KJ, your doing a good job being civil with your buddy Moses. Looks like that guy has done a 180, wow hard to believe it's the same guy.

What can I say...I'm a people person.

The true test of fortitude would be if he came back here. No rules anything goes cage match !

[monet]

It really was a pretty crappy Superbowl. For the first time in a longtime, I didn't have any money on the game so I was just hoping for a good game. well, THAT didn't happen....unless you were rooting for Tampa Bay I guess.

I didn't realize how injured Mahomes was coming into this game. I knew the KC offensive line was a mess. But when you added Mahomes inability to run and scramble like he normally does on top of the line not being able to block anyone, Mahomes and KC really had no chance.

Andy Reid and the KC coach staff gets plenty of blame as well. Knowing their situation with Offensive line and QB, they didn't come in with a game plan to help themselves. When your line can't block, you gotta go to screens and draws to keep lineman off balance. Just can't let them come after the QB every play, like that. Of course that gets harder as you get further behind. Not only did they have no real game plan adjustment coming into the game, but they made no adjustments during the game.

All that said.....Tom Brady. Never been a big fan. But how does a 6th round draft choice, drafted #199 overall, play 22 seasons, play in 10 Superbowls, win 7, and still be playing like that at 43. Most élite QB's can't make it past late 30's. And from the looks of the last two games, Brady may have another 2-3 years. ???? And this from a guy that is about the most immobile QB I have ever seen. he isn't rolling out or anything. You know exactly where he will be.....5-6 yards behind the center.

And finally....super bowl commercials. A couple made me chuckle in the moment, but now a day later, I can't think of any that really stuck with me. I don't know, last couple years, seems like they are trying too hard to be funny.

After reading this opinionated mess it is clear that you should stick to 21 and only 21.

[kewlJ]

After reading this opinionated mess it is clear that you should stick to 21 and only 21.

You just can't help yourself can you? If I say the sky is blue and grass green, you will argue with me, just because it is me.

[jbjb]

It really was a pretty crappy Superbowl. For the first time in a longtime, I didn't have any money on the game so I was just hoping for a good game. well, THAT didn't happen....unless you were rooting for Tampa Bay I guess.

I didn't realize how injured Mahomes was coming into this game. I knew the KC offensive line was a mess. But when you added Mahomes inability to run and scramble like he normally does on top of the line not being able to block anyone, Mahomes and KC really had no chance.

Andy Reid and the KC coach staff gets plenty of blame as well. Knowing their situation with Offensive line and QB, they didn't come in with a game plan to help themselves. When your line can't block, you gotta go to screens and draws to keep lineman off balance. Just can't let them come after the QB every play, like that. Of course that gets harder as you get further behind. Not only did they have no real game plan adjustment coming into the game, but they made no adjustments during the game.

All that said.....Tom Brady. Never been a big fan. But how does a 6th round draft choice, drafted #199 overall, play 22 seasons, play in 10 Superbowls, win 7, and still be playing like that at 43. Most élite QB's can't make it past late 30's. And from the looks of the last two games, Brady may have another 2-3 years. ???? And this from a guy that is about the most immobile QB I have ever seen. he isn't rolling out or anything. You know exactly where he will be.....5-6 yards behind the center.

And finally....super bowl commercials. A couple made me chuckle in the moment, but now a day later, I can't think of any that really stuck with me. I don't know, last couple years, seems like they are trying too hard to be funny.

After reading this opinionated mess it is clear that you should stick to 21 and only 21.

[kewlJ]

Come on jbjb. Talk about your cherry picking to fit your narrative. Eliot is using a $100 max bet in his example!! This is why I live and play in Las Vegas and not Colorado.

I mean seriously how many "professional" card counters do you know spreading to $100 or less. I spread to $400, $600, $800 depending on what the situation is (time of day and casino tolerance level) and I am considered a lower limit to mid- level player among players that play seriously or professionally.

Cherry-picking Eliot using a $100 max bet example is like saying it is impossible to make a decent profit playing video poker and using the 10 cent denomination as your example.

Be normal jbjb!

[MDawg]

What's the best spread when counting cards at BlackJack

[kewlJ]

Come on jbjb. Talk about your cherry picking to fit your narrative. Eliot is using a $100 max bet in his example!! This is why I live and play in Las Vegas and not Colorado.

I mean seriously how many "professional" card counters do you know spreading to $100 or less. I spread to $400, $600, $800 depending on what the situation is (time of day and casino tolerance level) and I am considered a lower limit to mid- level player among players that play seriously or professionally.

Cherry-picking Eliot using a $100 max bet example is like saying it is impossible to make a decent profit playing video poker and using the 10 cent denomination as your example.

Be normal jbjb!

I should mention that I had my day playing lower limit when I first started out in Atlantic City back at age 20. My bankroll at the time was $4300 (when I started) and my first max bet was $40, going by Wong's BR should be 100x max bet at the time (which is now outdated with software). Playing those $40 max bets at the crappy 8 deck games in AC, resulted in a win rate about $7, which I was living off at the time AND trying to build my bankroll. Yikes! That is why my first 3 years were such a struggle. But I am not sure I would change any of it. It is part of my journey that lead me to this spot.

I will also say, there could be some younger counter, with minimal expenses, maybe living at home, or sharing a low rent apartment, that might be thrilled at earing $35 an hour EV (Eliot's example) at this stage of his life and career. Or going the other way, there could be some retired dude, supplementing his retirement income that could be thrilled with $35 / hr EV. But for most serious /professional players...No.

Plus you have to realize that when you run or analyze numbers as Eliot did in his power point, that doesn't really translate into real word play and results. For one, you are not going to get 100 rounds per hour average, especially at crowded lower limit tables, and it doesn't account for moving around between games, travel time, scouting time. So whatever hourly number you come up by the numbers like Eliot just did, long term, a player is probably getting half that.

[blackhole]

I should mention that I had my day playing lower limit when I first started out in Atlantic City back at age 20. My bankroll at the time was $4300 (when I started) and my first max bet was $40, going by Wong's BR should be 100x max bet at the time (which is now outdated with software). Playing those $40 max bets at the crappy 8 deck games in AC, resulted in a win rate about $7, which I was living off at the time AND trying to build my bankroll. Yikes! That is why my first 3 years were such a struggle. But I am not sure I would change any of it. It is part of my journey that lead me to this spot.

WOW you must have been born with that gifted talent.

What do you mean when you say, "It is part of my journey that lead me to this spot."?? Posting bullshit fantasies on anonymous gambling forums?

Even Jacques Cousteau AKA Eliot the gambling explorer says you're full of shit.

[Eliot]

I will also say, there could be some younger counter, with minimal expenses, maybe living at home, or sharing a low rent apartment, that might be thrilled at earing $35 an hour EV (Eliot's example) at this stage of his life and career. Or going the other way, there could be some retired dude, supplementing his retirement income that could be thrilled with $35 / hr EV. But for most serious /professional players...No.

I never said $35 as a win-rate in my video. There is a win-rate of $33.58 for a perfect card counter playing an ideal game. What I state is that in the real world, a $100 max bet at a more typical shoe game (H17, DOA, DAS) with a cut card at 1.5 decks, a card counter who is Wonging is earning at a rate of less than $15.50 per 100 hands. A play-all approach earns much less. This also assumes no camouflage plays, no errors and that the person is using Hi-Lo, not some worse system like KO or Red-7.

Which leads me to the question, what was your hourly win-rate last year? You stated it was a tough year for you, so I think it would be of general interest to aspiring card counters to know how bad it can get for the solo pros.