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  1. #3601
    There was some talk about thread views and what not over at wizard of Vegas and I believe here.

    I don't know how it works here but I think I tested it once or twice and it seems they're miscounted, and by that I mean.... different actions create a view. Again, I really don't know 100% how it works here I have since forgot exactly how I tested it and what the results were so I'll let someone else like Dan investigate the site and how the views are counted. I could be completely wrong. There always seemed to be a hundred thirty-five people or so viewing this site I'm not sure how that's possible. It's not really important to me.

    Over at wizard of Vegas The View counts are all f***** up. Any action that you make while on a thread creates a view count. If you click the thank-you button it creates a view count, if you edit a post it creates a view count, if you click the formatting codes it creates a view count, if you click the back button create the view count, if you click the forward button it creates a view count, if you click the next page it creates a view count, if you quote somebody it makes a view count, if you edit something it makes a view count, if you click the next page that creates a v account, using the refresh button creates of the account. I'm sure there's lots more things that create view counts and I might be wrong on one or two but you get the point. Again, this isn't something that's very important to me. I'm sorry to burst Tasha's bubble when she assumed hundreds of thousands of people were reading her thread but it turns out it's only like 20 people. I wouldn't doubt if RS created a click bot in order to boost views.

  2. #3602
    All I know of billryan is his writings in the political threads. Based only on that i think he's a piece of shit.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  3. #3603
    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    Quote DarkI'mnotanAPOz:

    "I do consider AP from freeplay to BE AP."


    https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-.../8/#post739236

    Uhh, NO, it isnt!
    A slightly minus EV game plus freeplay can be an advantage play. It was done on a large scale for several years until many of the casinos cut back on freeplay offers because of it. It's still going on to a degree and is a phenomenon in the 10K wars. I'm talking about the 10K must hits. The best casinos to play off the 10K's are the ones that throw big chunks of freeplay at you for 6 months or a year after the play is over. Competition amongst the teams caused them to lower their edge's from 3% to 2% to 1% and some even going as low as -1% because of the amount of freeplay involved. The trick is finding the casinos that throw massive amounts of freeplay at you.

    If the total of the play (the game and freeplay combined) is above 100% then it's an advantage play.

    BTW, that mdawg is a complete idiot.
    Last edited by mickeycrimm; 10-15-2019 at 03:32 AM.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  4. #3604
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    All I know of billryan is his writings in the political threads. Based only on that i think he's a piece of shit.
    I get what you're saying Mickey(not about Bill, of course). I just refuse to judge people based on their political or religious views. I can tell that some people do some trolling on purpose just to stir the pot and perhaps they get a little of attention. FYI, I'm more likely to judge somebody due to their wacky idiotic gambling theories. And yes, it becomes annoying when people lack a certain level of logic. I've had long time friends that fall under both of those categories and sometimes I can only take them in small doses and briefly call out there bulshit and then drop it, but they have shown throughout the years to be good people who have had my back. I try to avoid people that are easily offended when possible.

    Unfortunately, I've been in situations where people have seriously misjudged others based on a few insensitive posts or something they have said. And no I'm not talking about ZenKing I think he's a good guy and actually very smart. But, I certainly think he makes some idiotic f****** posts and he has some crazyshit going on in that head that are actually holding him back. He gets some well-deserved criticism on the forums. It's just crazy the The Forum. But everybody I know that's met and been around him actually enjoy his company and having him around.

    There are some people on these forums (and in real life, of course) that are sneaky, crazy, and even evil people. You catch little hints of it here and there. You can read their posts and the way they say things and tell there's something seriously wrong with them and probably not someone you want to engage with. Sometimes it's even in your blatant and in your face.

    Always watch out for the people who care more about what everyone thinks about them and their image online then they do about the actual truth watch out for people that will throw you under the bus at the drop of a hat just to save their image.

    I know I've said this before, for me, it comes down to if I can trust somebody around my friends, my wife, my house and with money. When it really counts and they're under pressure how do they react?

  5. #3605
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    Quote DarkI'mnotanAPOz:

    "I do consider AP from freeplay to BE AP."


    https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-.../8/#post739236

    Uhh, NO, it isnt!
    A slightly minus EV game plus freeplay can be an advantage play. It was done on a large scale for several years until many of the casinos cut back on freeplay offers because of it. It's still going on to a degree and is a phenomenon in the 10K wars. I'm talking about the 10K must hits. The best casinos to play off the 10K's are the ones that throw big chunks of freeplay at you for 6 months or a year after the play is over. Competition amongst the teams caused them to lower their edge's from 3% to 2% to 1% and some even going as low as -1% because of the amount of freeplay involved. The trick is finding the casinos that throw massive amounts of freeplay at you.

    If the total of the play (the game and freeplay combined) is above 100% then it's an advantage play.

    BTW, that mdawg is a complete idiot.
    Even a highly-EV game can be +EV if you include FP in certain circumstances. I totally 100% agree with your last sentence. I could be wrong, but I think is entire persona and most of the stories are complete bulshit. A small part of me thinks he is B79. But from what I could tell B79 didn't have the personality that would allow him to block people and not respond, yet MD seems to be able to ignore certain members when he wants to. Also, B79 was a little more intense.

  6. #3606
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    Now that some of the people I don't seem to get along with very well stop posting here I'll dip my foot back in the pool.

    jbjb I don't always agree with Billryan, but he's no idiot, he is a good guy and a guy willing to help you if you need it. Personally, I would trust him with my money.

    I'm not sure what his deal is at times, I swear he sometimes likes to play Devil's Advocate. 7-Eleven has good pizza, said no one ever, other than BillRyan. Then again I guess that's just my opinion since they now seem to be delivering it.
    Is 7-Eleven still running their deal for getting natural-quads (spin-the-wheel if you get natural-quads) ? Just kidding.

  7. #3607
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    Now that some of the people I don't seem to get along with very well stop posting here I'll dip my foot back in the pool.

    jbjb I don't always agree with Billryan, but he's no idiot, he is a good guy and a guy willing to help you if you need it. Personally, I would trust him with my money.

    I'm not sure what his deal is at times, I swear he sometimes likes to play Devil's Advocate. 7-Eleven has good pizza, said no one ever, other than BillRyan. Then again I guess that's just my opinion since they now seem to be delivering it.
    Anybody who compares getting info with a device which has been deemed ILLEGAL to getting that same info using just your own eyeballs, which has been deemed LEGAL, is an idiot! He should know better.

  8. #3608
    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    Now that some of the people I don't seem to get along with very well stop posting here I'll dip my foot back in the pool.

    jbjb I don't always agree with Billryan, but he's no idiot, he is a good guy and a guy willing to help you if you need it. Personally, I would trust him with my money.

    I'm not sure what his deal is at times, I swear he sometimes likes to play Devil's Advocate. 7-Eleven has good pizza, said no one ever, other than BillRyan. Then again I guess that's just my opinion since they now seem to be delivering it.
    Anybody who compares getting info with a device which has been deemed ILLEGAL to getting that same info using just your own eyeballs, which has been deemed LEGAL, is an idiot! He should know better.
    The great thing about an idiot is you always know where they stand.

  9. #3609
    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    Now that some of the people I don't seem to get along with very well stop posting here I'll dip my foot back in the pool.

    jbjb I don't always agree with Billryan, but he's no idiot, he is a good guy and a guy willing to help you if you need it. Personally, I would trust him with my money.

    I'm not sure what his deal is at times, I swear he sometimes likes to play Devil's Advocate. 7-Eleven has good pizza, said no one ever, other than BillRyan. Then again I guess that's just my opinion since they now seem to be delivering it.
    Anybody who compares getting info with a device which has been deemed ILLEGAL to getting that same info using just your own eyeballs, which has been deemed LEGAL, is an idiot! He should know better.
    You would have to assume that Bill knows exactly what's going on. I don't think he plays much poker at all. I highly doubt he's watched or analyze the videos. I don't know that even realize there was an electronic device being used in the way that it was. Perhaps he thought everybody could watch the livestream on their phone if they wish to and everybody had the same access to the same information. Obviously I don't agree with what he is saying, but I kind of understand the connection he's trying to make, even if it's highly flawed.

  10. #3610
    Originally Posted by MaxPen View Post
    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    Now that some of the people I don't seem to get along with very well stop posting here I'll dip my foot back in the pool.

    jbjb I don't always agree with Billryan, but he's no idiot, he is a good guy and a guy willing to help you if you need it. Personally, I would trust him with my money.

    I'm not sure what his deal is at times, I swear he sometimes likes to play Devil's Advocate. 7-Eleven has good pizza, said no one ever, other than BillRyan. Then again I guess that's just my opinion since they now seem to be delivering it.
    Anybody who compares getting info with a device which has been deemed ILLEGAL to getting that same info using just your own eyeballs, which has been deemed LEGAL, is an idiot! He should know better.
    The great thing about an idiot is you always know where they stand.
    Wow you guys really went out of your way to cover up your little (BIG BOY) affair! Name:  hqdefault.jpg
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  11. #3611
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    Originally Posted by MaxPen View Post
    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post

    Anybody who compares getting info with a device which has been deemed ILLEGAL to getting that same info using just your own eyeballs, which has been deemed LEGAL, is an idiot! He should know better.
    The great thing about an idiot is you always know where they stand.
    Wow you guys really went out of your way to cover up your little (BIG BOY) affair! Name:  hqdefault.jpg
Views: 929
Size:  19.0 KB
    I know you like to joke about three things, but to me, they're fighting words.

  12. #3612
    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    Originally Posted by MaxPen View Post

    The great thing about an idiot is you always know where they stand.
    Wow you guys really went out of your way to cover up your little (BIG BOY) affair! Name:  hqdefault.jpg
Views: 929
Size:  19.0 KB
    I know you like to joke about three things, but to me, they're fighting words.
    Perhaps I should have made it more apparent, but I was talking about Max and Bill Ryan. They pretend to hate each other, but they always seem to disappear at the same time whenever they attend dinners or whatever.

    I invite Max to come over to my house and fight me right now, if doesn't show up within the next 12 hours, he's just a big pussy. F*** it I'll give him four days.

  13. #3613
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    Quote DarkI'mnotanAPOz:

    "I do consider AP from freeplay to BE AP."


    https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-.../8/#post739236

    Uhh, NO, it isnt!
    A slightly minus EV game plus freeplay can be an advantage play. It was done on a large scale for several years until many of the casinos cut back on freeplay offers because of it. It's still going on to a degree and is a phenomenon in the 10K wars. I'm talking about the 10K must hits. The best casinos to play off the 10K's are the ones that throw big chunks of freeplay at you for 6 months or a year after the play is over. Competition amongst the teams caused them to lower their edge's from 3% to 2% to 1% and some even going as low as -1% because of the amount of freeplay involved. The trick is finding the casinos that throw massive amounts of freeplay at you.

    If the total of the play (the game and freeplay combined) is above 100% then it's an advantage play.

    BTW, that mdawg is a complete idiot.
    Even a highly-EV game can be +EV if you include FP in certain circumstances. I totally 100% agree with your last sentence. I could be wrong, but I think is entire persona and most of the stories are complete bulshit. A small part of me thinks he is B79. But from what I could tell B79 didn't have the personality that would allow him to block people and not respond, yet MD seems to be able to ignore certain members when he wants to. Also, B79 was a little more intense.
    I just talked to someone I'm networked with who works 10K's and freeplay. He wouldn't talk about specific casinos but told me one 10K play can be worth 20 to 30K in freeplay.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  14. #3614
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post

    A slightly minus EV game plus freeplay can be an advantage play. It was done on a large scale for several years until many of the casinos cut back on freeplay offers because of it. It's still going on to a degree and is a phenomenon in the 10K wars. I'm talking about the 10K must hits. The best casinos to play off the 10K's are the ones that throw big chunks of freeplay at you for 6 months or a year after the play is over. Competition amongst the teams caused them to lower their edge's from 3% to 2% to 1% and some even going as low as -1% because of the amount of freeplay involved. The trick is finding the casinos that throw massive amounts of freeplay at you.

    If the total of the play (the game and freeplay combined) is above 100% then it's an advantage play.

    BTW, that mdawg is a complete idiot.
    Even a highly-EV game can be +EV if you include FP in certain circumstances. I totally 100% agree with your last sentence. I could be wrong, but I think is entire persona and most of the stories are complete bulshit. A small part of me thinks he is B79. But from what I could tell B79 didn't have the personality that would allow him to block people and not respond, yet MD seems to be able to ignore certain members when he wants to. Also, B79 was a little more intense.
    I just talked to someone I'm networked with who works 10K's and freeplay. He wouldn't talk about specific casinos but told me one 10K play can be worth 20 to 30K in freeplay.
    That's a little misleading because when you can get that much FreePlay it's inevitably worth far more than the cost of the initial play. So you'd just go with whatever is safe and available if there's nothing actually good.

  15. #3615
    Originally Posted by smurgerburger View Post
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    Even a highly-EV game can be +EV if you include FP in certain circumstances. I totally 100% agree with your last sentence. I could be wrong, but I think is entire persona and most of the stories are complete bulshit. A small part of me thinks he is B79. But from what I could tell B79 didn't have the personality that would allow him to block people and not respond, yet MD seems to be able to ignore certain members when he wants to. Also, B79 was a little more intense.
    I just talked to someone I'm networked with who works 10K's and freeplay. He wouldn't talk about specific casinos but told me one 10K play can be worth 20 to 30K in freeplay.
    That's a little misleading because when you can get that much FreePlay it's inevitably worth far more than the cost of the initial play. So you'd just go with whatever is safe and available if there's nothing actually good.
    What's misleading?
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  16. #3616
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Originally Posted by smurgerburger View Post
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post

    I just talked to someone I'm networked with who works 10K's and freeplay. He wouldn't talk about specific casinos but told me one 10K play can be worth 20 to 30K in freeplay.
    That's a little misleading because when you can get that much FreePlay it's inevitably worth far more than the cost of the initial play. So you'd just go with whatever is safe and available if there's nothing actually good.
    What's misleading?
    To think of that mail as the worth of the 10k specifically.

    A breakeven 10k MHB will on average get you top mail at any place that's theo based as far as I know. But if the mail is that good it doesn't need a +EV or breakeven play to justify it, so I wouldn't think of it as compensation for any particular machine.

  17. #3617
    Originally Posted by smurgerburger View Post
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Originally Posted by smurgerburger View Post

    That's a little misleading because when you can get that much FreePlay it's inevitably worth far more than the cost of the initial play. So you'd just go with whatever is safe and available if there's nothing actually good.
    What's misleading?
    To think of that mail as the worth of the 10k specifically.

    A breakeven 10k MHB will on average get you top mail at any place that's theo based as far as I know. But if the mail is that good it doesn't need a +EV or breakeven play to justify it, so I wouldn't think of it as compensation for any particular machine.
    The 10K's are generally the highest paying machines in a casino. I pointed out that some play them -EV to get the freeplay.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  18. #3618
    generating large amounts of free play isn't necessarily the hard part, being able to collect it all without them shutting down your card is the tricky part.

    And if it isn't tricky the play certainly won't last once everybody starts hammering it.

  19. #3619
    I spend a fair amount of time in Nevada and lately Vegas. The wife and I became good friends with a very well to do class act gentleman and his awesome wife. He made all his money in Vegas over the last 40+ years, retired, and owns an awesome property in Henderson. I won’t mention him by name because maybe some of you idiots from here might know him. I know Shank knows him.

    He rarely gambles but indulges in live poker which is how I meet him. We now became poker buddy’s and travel (by car) together to Vegas often to play.

    I mentioned once how I was an active member on a few gambling boards, and sure enough he brought up the Shank site. I explained how Shank nuked me from the site after I called him out for bullshitting on his own site, and instead of facing up to it he immediately got rid of me.

    Well, he happens to know Shank for a long time. He said he was one of the biggest assholes he ever met. If he ever sees Shank, he walks the other way hoping he didn’t see him. He called him a slug and a wannabe hang-on asshole.

    So, since AxelWolf is the famous Vegas well-known AP, I asked him if he ever heard of AxelWolf. He said quote “who or what the fuck is that?”

    He did say AP is a fact and that some (but very few) are successful at it. He also said the AP market in Vegas is saturated with AP’s.
    Last edited by blackhole; 10-16-2019 at 09:59 PM.

  20. #3620
    Why would some random recreational poker player know who Axel is?

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