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  1. #3061
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    This one's rich.

    From that dolt Evenbob in that same thread:

    "I'm an AP and nobody in my life knows what
    I do, exactly, and nobody has any clue how much
    money is involved. Not even my wife. Why would
    I be that dumb. Why would anybody."

    That MF'er never leaves his fucking computer! This is how many envision that guy.
    Yeah...NOW he never leaves his computer. He is an older guy, similarly to some here that now just do their hating from their computer.....that is their life. EB does less hating than "our" MF'ers that never leave their computer.

    Don't get me wrong. I have no great love for EB. Prior to the ridiculous reason that I was banned at WoV, calling out a fraud (which has since been proven) that an outside member didn't like, so he manipulated Wizard into banning me, I had been suspended one single time in 4 years (over 3200 posts). The suspension was for calling Evenbob a "jackass". (should have received an award).


    EvenBob is a troll. We are all familiar with those types here. People who have nothing better to do than try to get under other more legit member's skin. BUT in private discussions with EB, he had a pretty good knowledge of blackjack card counting, especially as it was done back in the day. Enough knowledge that I find him credible as an AP. You know my old standard..."it's doesn't take that much to figure....". Well IMO, EB knows enough to be credible.

    Now the thing is....the term "AP". I get the feeling that lately the term has come to take on a different meaning. That of one, like you, myself and others here that make their livelihood from casino play. But that is really not what AP is. Maybe "professional" AP. AP is simply advantage player. One who gains and plays with an advantage. There are many recreational type AP's. Some supplementing income (especially retirement income). Some just having a hobby that can show a profit contrary to most hobbies.

    So, I have never heard EvenBob claim to make a living at any time from AP. As a matter of fact, he has talked about driving a cab, maybe owning a bar (might be confusing him) and other occupations. But that doesn't disqualify him or anyone from being an AP on some level and using the AP label. I think you are being too hard on him in this instance because of a dislike of him.
    No. He claims to AP roulette at a few rinky dink Indian casino. He's doing nothing of the sort.


  2. #3062
    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    Do you know for a fact that this resembles EB? (I have no idea)

    I ask because this resembles someone from this site. Well, except for the room appears to be in an apartment/house rather than a camper/trailer. You put this "fellow" in a RV, add in some 20 year old police scanners and other technology, running an extension cord to a nearby home and bingo.

  3. #3063
    I got tired of reading the story from Dark Oz.
    I just jumped to the bottom of the post.
    It turns out his daughter is involved with an ex con who did time for robbery.

    This is why I never felt sorry for him or his daughter and the WoN situation.
    This is why I laugh when DarkOz and others posted how WoN ripped them off and they were mad about it.
    You have a thousand players cards that aren't yours and you are in the world of gambling and expect it to be on the up and up or kosher?
    Upstanding individuals in this story!
    People were posting how they felt so sorry for his daughter getting conned by WoN.
    I kept posting about why would DarkOz allow his daughter to get mixed up in something he didn't want any part of?
    I think the truth is DarkOz, his crew and everyone involved is just as criminal as WoN.
    First he allows her to get conned by WoN and now he allows her to date Ex Cons.
    I don't want to hear the excuse about her being an adult making her own decisions.
    I do agree about not calling the Police though even though Zcore13 was all up in arms about not calling them.

    I think MaxPen has a good point that if all of this is true that DarkOz should of just kept it internal.
    I get the entertainment value or fun of it but I don't see any return for his investment of wising everyone on the forum up so to speak.

  4. #3064
    Spike, aka EB, knows how to count cards?

    Live and learn.

    For years all he seemed to yak about on Gamblers Glen was his prowess at roulette.
    What, Me Worry?

  5. #3065
    I have never looked at that Forum, but I do read a lot of fiction, mysteries, crime stories, etc. If nothing else, except for bad grammar, it's pretty entertaining.

  6. #3066
    Originally Posted by MisterV View Post
    Spike, aka EB, knows how to count cards?

    Live and learn.

    For years all he seemed to yak about on Gamblers Glen was his prowess at roulette.
    Although I am aware that supposedly Spike and EB are one and the same, I am only familiar with him at WoV and only even a little bit familiar with that. So if other details of EB/Spike's gambling become available to me. I reserve the right to change my opinion.

    I don't know....it's a little tricky. There is a well known member of the blackjack community, also an older guy, that claims to be in his words "a 20+ year professional blackjack player". What he really is, is a guy who retired from a professional career fairly early, in his 50's and took up card counting to fill some of his retirement time. During this time that he claims to have been a 20+ year "professional player", he had significant retirement income and his wife was still fully employed. Nothing wrong with any of that, but he never lived off his AP card counting profits.

    Anyway, I strayed off topic just a bit. Sorry. Where this ties in, is that this person was an admitted lifelong gambling addict, horseracing, craps, roulette, before his sudden transformation to AP. So during the time that this person claims to have been a professional AP, he has continued to post sports picks (he is not very good) on a blackjack site and occasionally posts "voodoo" concepts involving roulette and craps on various sites, including a few such posts at WoV. It is also strongly suspected that a robbery that this person was involved in a couple years ago, involving bankroll money from newer players that he "tutored" and partnered with was really a cover up for non-blackjack, gambling addiction losses. Likely all this person really ever did was use some AP play to offset or reduce larger negative EV gambling.

    So the reason why I went into this? Can a person play some games with an advantage and some games at negative expectation and still be an AP? I personally think not. And maybe this is the case with Evenbob/spike. And if evidence or more facts that I am not familiar with show that to be the case, like I said, I reserve my right to change my opinion.

  7. #3067
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    I don't know....it's a little tricky. There is a well known member of the blackjack community, also an older guy, that claims to be in his words "a 20+ year professional blackjack player". What he really is, is a guy who retired from a professional career fairly early, in his 50's and took up card counting to fill some of his retirement time. During this time that he claims to have been a 20+ year "professional player", he had significant retirement income and his wife was still fully employed. Nothing wrong with any of that, but he never lived off his AP card counting profits.
    KJ. Please answer the Owl's question.


  8. #3068
    Originally Posted by Moses View Post
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    I don't know....it's a little tricky. There is a well known member of the blackjack community, also an older guy, that claims to be in his words "a 20+ year professional blackjack player". What he really is, is a guy who retired from a professional career fairly early, in his 50's and took up card counting to fill some of his retirement time. During this time that he claims to have been a 20+ year "professional player", he had significant retirement income and his wife was still fully employed. Nothing wrong with any of that, but he never lived off his AP card counting profits.
    KJ. Please answer the Owl's question.
    Although I have done so previously and on the site that only you frequent I am not going to name this person at this point in time. It would serve no purpose, as he is in declining, poor health and participates infrequently now. (You should be able to figure this one out though Moses as it is a person that you frequently talk about....not the forum owner guy and not the T person.)
    Last edited by kewlJ; 01-17-2019 at 09:30 PM.

  9. #3069
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post

    Although I am aware that supposedly Spike and EB are one and the same, I am only familiar with him at WoV and only even a little bit familiar with that. So if other details of EB/Spike's gambling become available to me. I reserve the right to change my opinion.

    I don't know....it's a little tricky. There is a well known member of the blackjack community, also an older guy, that claims to be in his words "a 20+ year professional blackjack player". What he really is, is a guy who retired from a professional career fairly early, in his 50's and took up card counting to fill some of his retirement time. During this time that he claims to have been a 20+ year "professional player", he had significant retirement income and his wife was still fully employed. Nothing wrong with any of that, but he never lived off his AP card counting profits.
    Wow, how I only wish I was part of the AP inner circle. I read this last night and haven’t slept a wink wondering who this mysterious BJ player is.

    I wonder how KJ knows all this personal stuff he prints about him is a fact.

    There is not a single depiction KJ printed above that he knows is a confirmed fact other than what he read on other anonymous forums.

    Just like how for now he projects EB/Spike’s profile actually is only based on what he read on anonymous forums. Then he throws in a disclaimer “if other details become available to him, he reserves the right to change his mind.

    I’m not picking on KJ here. I’m just pointing out how ridiculous any and all alleged claims on these sites mean nothing without confirm-able proof. Including everything I allege about myself.

    This is the reason you need to realize why most here (other than the want to believe AP click members) doubt everything you say. It’s not a confirmed fact and tomorrow everything you said in the past could be confirmed bullshit, which you unwittingly admitted in you above post about EB.

  10. #3070
    In the past EB has posted about being able to predict numbers in live roulette. For awhile the subject got on electronic roulette. EB said the numbers come out different at electronic roulette than they do in the live game so is unbeatable. He would fit right in with the roulette crowd at Gambling Forums. When it comes to gambling, in short, he's a quack.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  11. #3071
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Although I have done so previously and on the site that only you frequent I am not going to name this person at this point in time. It would serve no purpose, as he is in declining, poor health and participates infrequently now. (You should be able to figure this one out though Moses as it is a person that you frequently talk about....not the forum owner guy and not the T person.)
    I think I just saw lightning. Nope someone turned the kitchen light.

  12. #3072
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    In the past EB has posted about being able to predict numbers in live roulette. For awhile the subject got on electronic roulette. EB said the numbers come out different at electronic roulette than they do in the live game so is unbeatable. He would fit right in with the roulette crowd at Gambling Forums. When it comes to gambling, in short, he's a quack.
    This is the kind of information, from what I consider a very reliable source (mickeycrimm) that I was speaking about. "Quack" actually seems to fit EB's non gambling thoughts and comments more anyway. I was basing my opinion on PM's that I received from EB, years ago, when I was on WoV, which showed a pretty extensive knowledge of card counting, especially from 20-30 years ago. Based on that exchange I found him credible. This additional information makes him very less credible and I am willing to change my opinion that he is a "gambler" with some outdated card counting knowledge. How much that knowledge is from actual experience, I have no idea.

    I attempted to log on to WoV today, wanting to re-read the PM's that impressed me several years ago, but apparently the great and powerful one has disabled me from logging on, which I was able to do not to long ago, because I re-read some PM's from Mike himself before posting about them.

    I am sorry if someone like Blackhole, a walking ghost, set in his way, who makes snap judgements and sticks with it even in the face of new information, doesn't understand the concept of re-evaluating based on new and additional information.

  13. #3073
    Absolutely hilarious watching the libtards in the Trump thread at WOV for the last several pages. What a bunch of dumbasses. They bought the Buzzfeed article hook, line and sinker. FAKE NEWS! FAKE NEWS! FAKE NEWS! HAHAHAHAHA!!!!! Never laughed so hard in my life. Then Mueller came out and threw rain on their parade. Dumb ass libtards. Just stupid as hell. How does that song go:

    "Wishin' and hopin' and thinkin' and prayin'
    Plannin' and dreamin' each night of impeachment."

    Now, the question is.....why did Mueller shoot the story down? Don't get the idea that Mueller is a straight shooter. It's quite the opposite and quite simple. There's a new sheriff in town....Bill Barr. He's as straight a shooter as it gets. If it was Rosenstein still in charge Mueller would have let the story stand without response. But Barr is going to be in office in a few days. And he would have had a big question for Mueller. Why did he let that bullshit story stand? Mueller did what he did to keep his ass out of the hot water with Barr.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  14. #3074
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Now, the question is.....why did Mueller shoot the story down? Don't get the idea that Mueller is a straight shooter.
    He doesn't want an internal leak investigation. Half of his staff would go down.

  15. #3075
    The liberal news outlets are beside themselves over this, almost as much as they were on election night. It's a beautiful thing. Right MrV?

    But their claim that Mueller didn't completely deny the claim is only because they have to stand behind their desired belief that what's in the court papers--the fact that Cohen claimed Trump directed him to lie to Congress--is true. What the team is disputing is the existence of actual documentation (emails, texts, written letters) that corroborate Cohen's claims. Cohen is a proven liar, theif, and tax cheat. There's virtually no chance he's telling the truth about lying to Congress. But the dems have it all riding on that.

    Fun to watch them squirm.

  16. #3076
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    The liberal news outlets are beside themselves over this, almost as much as they were on election night. It's a beautiful thing. Right MrV?
    CNN was clear from the beginning that the Buzzfeed report was uncorroborated and that they hadn't verified it.

    As such there is no egg on their face.

    Besides, why would I possibly think "it's a beautiful thing?"

    Nothing associated with Trump can be described as beautiful, except Melania, and I suspect that she won't be staying with him once the game is played out.
    What, Me Worry?

  17. #3077
    It took less than a minute of watching Cuomo to see how frustrated he was once the fake news buzzfeed report was demolished.

    That was a beautiful thing.

  18. #3078
    He'd hoped it were true, obviously: dashed hopes hurt.

    Still, this little morality play has yet to play out.

    Let's just wait and see what Mueller has to say, then we can watch the chips fall where they may.

    I wonder whether any bookies are taking bets on the likely outcome of the investigation?

    I know where I'd place my bet, LOL
    What, Me Worry?

  19. #3079
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    I would just like to say, anyone talking about multiple carding is an idiot, and a cappy AP.

    I'll take one for "the team"
    AW has talked plenty about this and other "grey area" AP moves.
    Online and In Person.
    Just ask him about Circus Circus... he loves to talk about those stories.
    He is just as guilty as the rest of us who have done so.

    Mission146 posted a whole blog about this type of thing and going to court over it.
    Is Mission146 an idiot and a crappy AP as well?

    ------------------------------------------------------------

    https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-...-nightmare/46/

    Read the thread while you can before it gets deleted.

    The WoV AP crew is out in full force.
    RS backs up BBB and wants the DarkOz thread closed and deleted.
    Most likely not because of liable but because they don't like the AP related posts to be in print.

    BBB has closed the AP Nightmare Thread and awaits conformation that the whole thread should be deleted.
    If anyone knows BBB she does the same type of activity that DarkOz, myself and others do.
    She has good reason to want to initiate damage control just as she and WoV tries to clean up the Wizard of Nothing mess.
    BBB lied to the forum, Mike and other Mods about my own situation over there.
    She didn't even let me know she was going to lie for me or to help me in some way.
    Not that I care because I didn't know at the time that you couldn't just make up a new user id after self banning yourself.
    Since I didn't read the rules I didn't know that you had to wait 30 days after self banning yourself.
    All clearly my own fault.

    I PMed BBB once asking about the crews on WoV.
    I told her I didn't want to get involved because it opened myself up to all sorts of problems like theft for one.
    She advised me, at that time that two teams operated from WoV that she knew of.
    One was honest and I suspect that was the AxelWolf crew that she belongs to.
    The other was shady and dishonest. Having all sorts of problems with scamming.
    I suspect that was the Wizard of Nothing crew.

    My point is how can she constantly get away with deceit and lying?
    The Wizard just looks bad having her as moderator and she is obviously immune to any wrong doing herself.

    Happy to be away from that forum that suppresses Truth and actual AP tactics.
    Fun to read it at times though. I have read it less lately but the DarkOz Nightmare was a good speed read/skim.
    This forum isn't nearly as active but it is certainly run better IMO and we are all free to post whatever we want within reason.
    I mean it is clear you can't call someone a Kite over on this site.
    You don't get banned or suspended... your post just gets deleted.

    Nice to see Mission146 posting at WoV again and actually mixing it up contesting the actions of BBB.
    Last edited by monet; 01-19-2019 at 03:14 PM.

  20. #3080
    Originally Posted by monet View Post
    I mean it is clear you can't call someone a Kite over on this site.
    Dude, you're nothing but a damned, dirty, low-down KITE!
    What, Me Worry?

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