The WoV Thread

[Ozzy]

For comparison the BLOAT thread over at PFA will hit 500k views in 17 months.

[BoSox]

At WOV in the thread titled "Wellbushe's Trip Reports" I only have access to pages 1 through 6 and part of page 7. the last post that I can read is from Moses dated on Sep 3. I have tried using the subscribe and unblocked features for that thread at least half a dozen times and clicking where it tells you to and I get the following in very large print Thread Blocked. Apparently, the Administration of WOV is censoring someone by placing restrictions on open opinions if they oppose them.

[BoSox]

Sorry for the above post the Administration took a part of one thread and started another thread with a completely different title.

[The Boz]

Pick any day, anytime and look at WoV. 5 or 6 of the last responses are from the 2 new mods.

It will change after I posted this, but Dieter and the other clown have to have the latest word.

These 2 fucks are on 24/7 replying to anything and everything.

[MisterV]

I have no problem with that or with them.

They're new to the job and obviously feel it is incumbent upon them to actually moderate.

You know, shine some light and the roaches will scurry ...

[The Boz]

I have no problem with that or with them.

They're new to the job and obviously feel it is incumbent upon them to actually moderate.

You know, shine some light and the roaches will scurry ...

We will have to disagree on that.

Are you arguing they should be posting at a level 7 times their average over the past 5 years because they are mods now?

OnceDear posted less than 2 times his average before being a mod afterwords.

And if you think the “roaches have scurried”, I would love to see your proof. Granted they have suspended a few more than in the recent past, but they are short suspensions and I don’t see anyone in fear of them.

[kewlJ]

Today in the 'moderation in moderataion' thread at WoV, (t)eliot, made a post with the following first paragraph:

This site needs to call b.s. loudly and openly when it comes to betting systems and nonsense claims (any system not based on information is fraudulent and those who push non-information based systems are either scammers, liars or delusional).

I regret that I am not a member there to 'thank' or 'like' (whatever it is called) this post by Eliot. And I never thought I would thank or like an Eliot post. I have had some pretty negative things to say about him over the years.

But Eliot is exactly right. These BS posts and threads that defy math and reality should be called out, regardless of the person writing them crying to Wizard. If Wizard doesn't want to take on that responsibility, he should at least let the forum membership do so (sort of a self policing) without any fear of penalty.

+1 for Eliot!

[BoSox]

Today in the 'moderation in moderataion' thread at WoV, (t)eliot, made a post with the following first paragraph:

This site needs to call b.s. loudly and openly when it comes to betting systems and nonsense claims (any system not based on information is fraudulent and those who push non-information based systems are either scammers, liars or delusional).

I regret that I am not a member there to 'thank' or 'like' (whatever it is called) this post by Eliot. And I never thought I would thank or like an Eliot post. I have had some pretty negative things to say about him over the years.

But Eliot is exactly right. These BS posts and threads that defy math and reality should be called out, regardless of the person writing them crying to Wizard. If Wizard doesn't want to take on that responsibility, he should at least let the forum membership do so (sort of a self policing) without any fear of penalty.

+1 for Eliot!

You asshole the only reason TEliot made the post, to begin with, is because I got the ball rolling two post above his. You always have something to say only you always say it on the wrong board. Either because you are scared to death or you are most likely barred or suspended. You have something to say over
there try using Spiderman.

[jbjb]

We need MORE Mdawg types spouting their bullshit. The more of these losers in casinos, the better for me.

[BoSox]

We need MORE Mdawg types spouting their bullshit. The more of these losers in casinos, the better for me.

I cannot argue with that, as your quote is true. KJ, we both took the wrong position on this matter.

[kewlJ]

We need MORE Mdawg types spouting their bullshit. The more of these losers in casinos, the better for me.

I cannot argue with that, as your quote is true. KJ, we both took the wrong position on this matter.

I didn't take the wrong position on it. Of course it is better for us AP's that more people go to casinos and play and lose. But that still don't make it right.

I know that when I was starting out, I benefited from many experienced and successful players sharing their experiences and knowledge back on the first forum I was on, the old original blackjackinfo. People Like Don Schlesinger, and Norm W and Ken Smith who ran the forum, Munchkin, And King James Grosjean, Bojack (who was likely Hyland), Bigplayer, who is a 40 year professional player, who played on Hylands teams, 21f****, among others.

So I just don't think it right that newer players who go to a legimate forum, like WoV, that is supposed to be grounded in the gambling math, get mislead and potentially harmed by some jackass, making claims of riches that defy math....even if it does benefit me in the long run.

[kewlJ]

Today in the 'moderation in moderataion' thread at WoV, (t)eliot, made a post with the following first paragraph:

This site needs to call b.s. loudly and openly when it comes to betting systems and nonsense claims (any system not based on information is fraudulent and those who push non-information based systems are either scammers, liars or delusional).

I regret that I am not a member there to 'thank' or 'like' (whatever it is called) this post by Eliot. And I never thought I would thank or like an Eliot post. I have had some pretty negative things to say about him over the years.

But Eliot is exactly right. These BS posts and threads that defy math and reality should be called out, regardless of the person writing them crying to Wizard. If Wizard doesn't want to take on that responsibility, he should at least let the forum membership do so (sort of a self policing) without any fear of penalty.

+1 for Eliot!

You asshole the only reason TEliot made the post, to begin with, is because I got the ball rolling two post above his. You always have something to say only you always say it on the wrong board. Either because you are scared to death or you are most likely barred or suspended. You have something to say over
there try using Spiderman.

Is it necessary for you to be so nasty, and call names on a subject that we both agree on?

And I do thank you for mentioning me as being part of the push to have Mdawg's fantasy thread hidden from the main front page section. It is good to see you and so many other continuing that fight as Mdawg tries to manipulate his way back to the front page.

edit: Upon further reading I see that you have flip flopped your position BoSox. To that I will just say it would be better for me if people were shooting each other and dying in the streets. There would be less compition for everything, food, housing, anything you want to buy, dining out at restuarants (less wait) etc. But that don't mean I am in favor of people shooting each other in the streets. Sometimes you have to look past what might be good for you for selfish reasons, and consider what is right and wrong.

[jbjb]

We need MORE Mdawg types spouting their bullshit. The more of these losers in casinos, the better for me.

I cannot argue with that, as your quote is true. KJ, we both took the wrong position on this matter.

I didn't take the wrong position on it. Of course it is better for us AP's that more people go to casinos and play and lose. But that still don't make it right.

I know that when I was starting out, I benefited from many experienced and successful players sharing their experiences and knowledge back on the first forum I was on, the old original blackjackinfo. People Like Don Schlesinger, and Norm W and Ken Smith who ran the forum, Munchkin, And King James Grosjean, Bojack (who was likely Hyland), Bigplayer, who is a 40 year professional player, who played on Hylands teams, 21f****, among others.

So I just don't think it right that newer players who go to a legimate forum, like WoV, that is supposed to be grounded in the gambling math, get mislead and potentially harmed by some jackass, making claims of riches that defy math....even if it does benefit me in the long run.

The problem is that, for some strange reason, you're worried about "newer players". I prefer these "newer players" to be just stupid gamblers like the MDawg types. Why in the f*** do I want MORE smart players?????

[kewlJ]

I cannot argue with that, as your quote is true. KJ, we both took the wrong position on this matter.

I didn't take the wrong position on it. Of course it is better for us AP's that more people go to casinos and play and lose. But that still don't make it right.

I know that when I was starting out, I benefited from many experienced and successful players sharing their experiences and knowledge back on the first forum I was on, the old original blackjackinfo. People Like Don Schlesinger, and Norm W and Ken Smith who ran the forum, Munchkin, And King James Grosjean, Bojack (who was likely Hyland), Bigplayer, who is a 40 year professional player, who played on Hylands teams, 21f****, among others.

So I just don't think it right that newer players who go to a legimate forum, like WoV, that is supposed to be grounded in the gambling math, get mislead and potentially harmed by some jackass, making claims of riches that defy math....even if it does benefit me in the long run.

The problem is that, for some strange reason, you're worried about "newer players". I prefer these "newer players" to be just stupid gamblers like the MDawg types. Why in the f*** do I want MORE smart players?????

My answer is right there in what you quoted and are responding to. Players helped me when I was starting out. Just like you, it wasn't in their best interest to, but they did and I have always felt I wanted to return that. Now if you don't want to take it as far as "helping" players, at the very least legitimate gambling forums, supposed to be based on the mathematics of gambling, shouldn't be full of mis-information, harmful information. Your answer above is just the pure definition of "selfish" as it relates to gambling. That is just not the right and wrong principals I was taught and still try to adhere to.

[jbjb]

Who cares what others did for you? As far as I'm concerned, people like Thorp, Grosjean, Dancer should've kept their mouths shut and just played. Just because they didn't and I use some of the same tactics, doesn't mean it's a smart idea to keep regurgitating what they've taught. In fact, its plain stupid to teach others this stuff.

[kewlJ]

Who cares what others did for you? As far as I'm concerned, people like Thorp, Grosjean, Dancer should've kept their mouths shut and just played. Just because they didn't and I use some of the same tactics, doesn't mean it's a smart idea to keep regurgitating what they've taught. In fact, its plain stupid to teach others this stuff.

No one is saying you don't have to "teach" anyone anything. But intentional mis-information, harmful information should not be allowed on a forum that is supposed to be about math. Players going to a legitimate forum seeking information and answers, shouldn't be lied to.

No need to respond. I understand your position, just don't agree. Let's agree to disagree.

[MaxPen]

Who cares what others did for you? As far as I'm concerned, people like Thorp, Grosjean, Dancer should've kept their mouths shut and just played. Just because they didn't and I use some of the same tactics, doesn't mean it's a smart idea to keep regurgitating what they've taught. In fact, its plain stupid to teach others this stuff.

Thank you.

[BoSox]

Who cares what others did for you? As far as I'm concerned, people like Thorp, Grosjean, Dancer should've kept their mouths shut and just played. Just because they didn't and I use some of the same tactics, doesn't mean it's a smart idea to keep regurgitating what they've taught. In fact, its plain stupid to teach others this stuff.

No one is saying you don't have to "teach" anyone anything. But intentional mis-information, harmful information should not be allowed on a forum that is supposed to be about math. Players going to a legitimate forum seeking information and answers, shouldn't be lied to.

Should legitimate forums be pedaling offshore internet gaming sites?

[kewlJ]

Who cares what others did for you? As far as I'm concerned, people like Thorp, Grosjean, Dancer should've kept their mouths shut and just played. Just because they didn't and I use some of the same tactics, doesn't mean it's a smart idea to keep regurgitating what they've taught. In fact, its plain stupid to teach others this stuff.

No one is saying you don't have to "teach" anyone anything. But intentional mis-information, harmful information should not be allowed on a forum that is supposed to be about math. Players going to a legitimate forum seeking information and answers, shouldn't be lied to.

Should legitimate forums be pedaling offshore internet gaming sites?

IMO opinion...NO. I can appreciate forum owners and administrators right to make money from their forums, but I have never liked that association, and even more so dislike that a company related to and owning those gambling sites, now owns several of the legitimate forums, WoV, BJ21.com and Blackjackinfo.

I have always respected Norm W for not going that route.

[jbjb]

I have always respected Norm W for not going that route.

Flash enough manna in front of him and I guarantee he'll change his tune.