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    Now here is what I didn't like about Wizard's statement.

    If Wizard felt Mission was the victim of a "witch hunt", as he stated, or undue pressure to be removed, why accept Mission's resignation? Where is that loyalty? I mean after all, Mike verified that what Mission did was by the rules of WoV. So shouldn't that be end of story. Mission followed the rules. Why does he need to resign?

    Mike in essence, is caving to pressure on this one....which demonstrates inconsistency.

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    Here is a guy that I find interesting. You all know him as Zcore13.

    Here is his statement about WoN/StrictlyAP...

    I have visited this site multiple times per day, just about every day for the last 8 years. I had no idea they were the same people.
    ZCore13


    What an ass... I just don't like the way he always signs his screen name at the end of his posts.

    So I am to believe this guy who works for the Casino, the other side of the street is so damn clueless? He bashes ZenKing night and day about how stupid he is and he don't know Jack and how the Casino has all this high tech equipment to thwart AP action. He goes on and on how he knows this and that. However he is clueless that Strictly AP was WoN... F this guy. He is either lying or too dumb to know what is going on... either way he is outta here as Ace Rothstein said in the movie Casino.

    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Now here is what I didn't like about Wizard's statement.

    If Wizard felt Mission was the victim of a "witch hunt", as he stated, or undue pressure to be removed, why accept Mission's resignation? Where is that loyalty? I mean after all, Mike verified that what Mission did was by the rules of WoV. So shouldn't that be end of story. Mission followed the rules. Why does he need to resign?

    Mike in essence, is caving to pressure on this one....which demonstrates inconsistency.
    I think it is clear that Mike just wants it all to go away as fast as possible. Not much you can do if a guy is wanting to resign no matter what. I don't think Mission was trying to hold his position. It seemed he wanted out as well but he is on this site now reading up and he can talk about it if he wants. Either way I don't have a problem with Mission. It doesn't look good for him and who can believe that he is having lunch with people just looking at the Ocean not saying a word. Possible but tough to imagine. Anyway, like I say, I am ok with Mission. I am pretty much ok with everyone on here or not on here because in reality I am highly unlikely to be a part of anyone's life on here in the real world.

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    Originally Posted by MisterV View Post
    Any guesses as to who will be elevated to fill the empty mod slot?
    My educated guess would be Ibeatyouraces.

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    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by MisterV View Post
    Any guesses as to who will be elevated to fill the empty mod slot?
    I vote for re-installation and then elevation of LarryS! He is a customer service type guys looking out for his neighbors.
    Good one!! I think it will be a brownoser like GWAE.

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    If I get the timeline correct.....based on recent info from monet.

    Mission during last football season knew that WON was shady and privately warned monet when asked. Yet at the same time he allowed WON to advertise for more suckers in his signature. This is at a time that WON was allowed to PM. Or maybe not. He resigned on dec 6th. that was around week 13 of the NFL...
    So I guess the question is...when did mission become enlightened that WON was bad news. Enlightened enough to privately tell someone to stay away. Was it before week 13 of the football season when WON was still posting and possibly advertising for free on WOV with the allowance of mission and all the other mods.

    I guess monet can shed light on around what week of the football season the PM regarding WON occured.

    By allowing the advertising on the website for an extended period...once mission found out that WON was bad news.....did he owe the forum a "heads up"...just in case people were ensnared or about to be? I mean if you allow the good name of your site to be the vessel for him to advertise....then dont you owe the public a heads up once the truth becomes known to you.

    I mean if he wasnt allowed to advertise, then the mods owe the public nothing. But mission and all the mods allowed it. Any one of them could have put an end to it at anytime and no one would complain.
    Maybe mission isnt the only mod that profited off of WON directly or indirectly.

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    Originally Posted by LarryS View Post
    If I get the timeline correct.....based on recent info from monet.

    Mission during last football season knew that WON was shady and privately warned monet when asked. Yet at the same time he allowed WON to advertise for more suckers in his signature. This is at a time that WON was allowed to PM. Or maybe not. He resigned on dec 6th. that was around week 13 of the NFL...
    So I guess the question is...when did mission become enlightened that WON was bad news. Enlightened enough to privately tell someone to stay away. Was it before week 13 of the football season when WON was still posting and possibly advertising for free on WOV with the allowance of mission and all the other mods.

    I guess monet can shed light on around what week of the football season the PM regarding WON occured.

    By allowing the advertising on the website for an extended period...once mission found out that WON was bad news.....did he owe the forum a "heads up"...just in case people were ensnared or about to be? I mean if you allow the good name of your site to be the vessel for him to advertise....then dont you owe the public a heads up once the truth becomes known to you.

    I mean if he wasnt allowed to advertise, then the mods owe the public nothing. But mission and all the mods allowed it. Any one of them could have put an end to it at anytime and no one would complain.
    Maybe mission isnt the only mod that profited off of WON directly or indirectly.
    I know not much about this and have a general disdain for forums in general, but let me get this straight....the WoV mods are UNPAID? Is that true? If true, people seem shocked, SHOCKED (I tell you) that there's a real possibility the unpaid mods for a site that allegedly (or at some point hypothetically) helped people win but somehow exists on gambling ads, those unpaid mods were helping a con artist make money from various and sundry of the visitors and posters?

    Is that the gist of it?

    LOL if it is....

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    when you put it that way..... and with the silence of the other mods as this sacrificial lamb is slaughtered........your point becomes clearer.

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    What's the trick to this? You have a site that purports (purported?) to help people win gambling. It oxymoronically makes its money from advertisers for gambling sites.

    The site has a bevy of unpaid mods. The mods evidently help or stand by as con artists fleece the site visitors.

    Seems all of a piece to me.

    Why is anyone absurdly shocked (I will refrain from overusing the Casablanca reference) that this is the result? And that it's being handled this way -- mod resigns. Makes Shackleford blameless. Other mods, blameless or not, continue to function, possibly (probably?) the same way.

    LOL -- it's like the sun coming up. Damned surprising, eh? Worthy of deep thoughts -- not (I added "not" in case sarcasm isn't the reader's forte).

    Quite the "community" -- chuckle, chuckle.

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    The last few posts from Ozzy, LarryS and redietz are refreshing. Not everyone says it on these sites but it's nice to know some real players in the gaming world understand just how dirty it really is. I don't mind the mire myself. I just get amazed how Gamblers get upset at dishonesty. One of my favorite examples is a friend of mine crushes a Casino out of over 100k because of a glitch/mistake. Later they cut his mailers from thousands to nothing. He gets enraged about it. I'm like we basically stole all that money and your crying about a few grand in free play like they owe it to you!? They didn't even 86 or no mail you... don't be so damn greedy. Of course I'm the bad guy now and he's pissed at me too basically calling him a thief. The internet gambling forums hammer this ethical gambling world fantasy but as always I'm here to tell you it is anything but that. Personally I like it being corrupt!

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    I don't have a lot of time to hang out here today, but I'll be back around.

    I want to say that I appreciate Monet's vouching for me, but I think that he is either overstating what I said to make me look good (in his view) or is stating inferences he made based on what I said to him. I looked through my PM's and the only quote I could find regarding WoN that I said to him is this:

    I've worked with WoN and haven't had any problems, but that has just been directly working for him and I didn't have money invested.
    Which is precisely what I have said, I've worked directly with him in the past.

    You will notice that the wording of my statement is such that a person can take that statement to mean whatever they want. Why? Because Axelwolf is the only AP I have ever or currently will directly vouch for in no uncertain terms.

    The other reason I would make a statement that lets someone infer whatever he wants is that, for all I know, WoN asked Monet to ask me my opinion of him to see what I would say.

    Some people trust people completely based on brief interactions and others don't. I don't. Therefore, I am not going to get into a lot of detail when asked by someone on the grounds of they offered me some money if football picks I went for them went well. As far as I am concerned, everything is a setup until I absolutely know that it is not a setup.

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    Originally Posted by Mission146 View Post
    I don't have a lot of time to hang out here today, but I'll be back around.

    I want to say that I appreciate Monet's vouching for me, but I think that he is either overstating what I said to make me look good (in his view) or is stating inferences he made based on what I said to him. I looked through my PM's and the only quote I could find regarding WoN that I said to him is this:

    I've worked with WoN and haven't had any problems, but that has just been directly working for him and I didn't have money invested.
    Which is precisely what I have said, I've worked directly with him in the past.

    You will notice that the wording of my statement is such that a person can take that statement to mean whatever they want. Why? Because Axelwolf is the only AP I have ever or currently will directly vouch for in no uncertain terms.

    The other reason I would make a statement that lets someone infer whatever he wants is that, for all I know, WoN asked Monet to ask me my opinion of him to see what I would say.

    Some people trust people completely based on brief interactions and others don't. I don't. Therefore, I am not going to get into a lot of detail when asked by someone on the grounds of they offered me some money if football picks I went for them went well. As far as I am concerned, everything is a setup until I absolutely know that it is not a setup.
    I stand corrected! I don't keep detailed records so my wires have been crossed and it must of been another member warning me sternly. I apologize to this forum and Mission for getting it wrong or mixed up. I'm still on Missions side. I trust a guy better with a little dirt on his hands compared to the clean looking ones.

    We did do a few weeks of football stuff though but neither of us really made a serious effort and I think it was around week 3 or so... Mission seems to have better records but he has a tough time remembering what he did years ago... just ribbing you Mission, no offense! I'm sure your not in the mood for my sarcasm or sense of humor.
    Last edited by monet; 03-13-2018 at 12:00 PM.

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    I stand corrected! I don't keep detailed records so my wires have been crossed and it must of been another member warning me sternly. I apologize to this forum and Mission for getting it wrong or mixed up. I'm still on Missions side. I trust a guy better with a little dirt on his hands compared to the clean looking ones.

    We did do a few weeks of football stuff though but neither of us really made a serious effort and I think it was around week 3 or so... Mission seems to have better records but he has a tough time remembering what he did years ago... just ribbing you Mission, no offense! I'm sure your not in the mood for my sarcasm or sense of humor.
    I don't keep detailed records, I just have a habit of generally not deleting PM's. I don't even have that habit for this reason, I'm just too lazy to go through and delete them all.

    There is no apology needed, but thank you.

    I believe we had one really strong week, but not good enough. I want to say that we were, "Two off," one week, which probably would have been good had one game broke a different way. A big underdog winning hurt us. If the HUGE favorite had won, we would have only been one off which should have been good enough because a couple good dog picks went well.

    I enjoy your sarcasm and sense of humor!

    EDIT TO ADD: Let me know via PM here if there is a similar football deal next season and if you want me to try to do the Picks for you. I really do enjoy putting them together when I have time.
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    Originally Posted by MisterV View Post
    Any guesses as to who will be elevated to fill the empty mod slot?
    IT WOULD HAVE TO BE EITHER
    1-someone who is happy to follow the leader and treat people as the wiz and BBB do....with contempt and, with the intent to cause someone shame (remember the wiz said he would not eliminate the suspension list because he wants the culprits to feel "shame") With the attitude "dont let the door hit you in the ass" with the psychological need to feel better after infliction of punishment ( the wiz said he suspends whenheis in a bad mood)

    or

    2- someone who will step aside and let the above happen

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    I wonder if darkoz Pm'd any mod about the scam job on his daughter at the time. I mean at the nuggets contest people knew about his shadyness enough where multiple people warned a member

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    Originally Posted by Ozzy View Post
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by MisterV View Post
    Any guesses as to who will be elevated to fill the empty mod slot?
    I vote for re-installation and then elevation of LarryS! He is a customer service type guys looking out for his neighbors.
    Good one!! I think it will be a brownoser like GWAE.
    Aww I am so honored.

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    Originally Posted by LarryS View Post
    I wonder if darkoz Pm'd any mod about the scam job on his daughter at the time. I mean at the nuggets contest people knew about his shadyness enough where multiple people warned a member
    Let's explain it like this just to show how things sorta work. Awhile back some guy found a Keno Glitch that was overpaying. Now he contacts this person who contacts another and another and next thing you know players are driving across country to take advantage. The original crew does pretty good making over 100k. By the time a player I know gets there it's shut down. A loss of time and effort but worth the attempted journey. This is how things go... usually some rail bird finds something and contacts someone with money. At times that guy doesn't have the cash so he contacts the backers and so on and so forth. People want to make it sound like they just go out and crush and do things honestly but it's not like that. Most of the times people getting scammed are just slower and missed their own chance to get over. The only way grifting works is from a two way street of greed. You kinda keep painting DarkOzs daughter out to be some virgin in a white dress who is the nicest girl in the world. That's not the truth. Look at the story... DarkOz passes on the easy money but his daughter is like hey... that's a great deal... hook me up. DarkOz is just as much to blame to allow his daughter to get mixed up but I suspect DarkOz understands this... he does after all claim to be in the know.

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    Originally Posted by GwoAE View Post

    Aww I am so honored.
    Welcome to WoV West!! You did just post that you would be the new mod and let Mission control your name. You also said everyone has you on ignore!? I don't care really... I want to know if I can get in on the shop n save AP play!? I also hope the Penguins meet the Vegas Knights for the cup... let's go pens but I'm also getting hyped about this go knights go!
    Last edited by monet; 03-14-2018 at 07:41 AM.

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    NO! You don't say?? Tell me more.



    Waking up to the Mission resignation, I was thinking about it while cleaning the pool this morning. I see a parallel between Missions actions, siding with and protecting a friend or someone he knew personally (whether intentional in Missions case or not) and Mike having done the same thing with the Qfit situation.

    Both were about an administrator playing favoritism and showing the forum in a bad light. It is funny how Mission's head rolled, while Mike just weathered a similar outcry with his "my way or the hyway" and "don't let the door hit you in the ass" attitude. Makes me think of the Mel Brook's line "It's good to be King".

    Originally Posted by monet View Post
    They had their sites on BBB last time with my pingpangpong incident but missed. I suspect they will try again soon to dethrone her as well.
    Speaking of the "Queen B" over-moderator Babs, going unnoticed (or uncommented on) in this ordeal was Bab's 14 day suspension of member 'OutsideTheBox'. First a warning that OTB was getting dangerously close to a personal attack. And then a suspension martingaled x3 (out of the blue). The way the martingale is supposed to work is 3 days for first offense, 7 days for second and 14 days for third, as I understand it. But over-moderator BBB just chose to make her own rules as she goes, in this case because the offense involved someone she liked or pretended to like (Mission).

    That in a nutshell is why WoV is out of control and on a snowballing decline.

    They suspended one of the main contributors of information about Toll...hmm....

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    this is pretty crazy, and also begs the question of is there something deeper as to why OutsideTheBox was suspended by her...? Was he really attacking Mission personally or trying to get to the bottom of what happened...

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    Originally Posted by monet View Post
    Originally Posted by GwoAE View Post

    Aww I am so honored.
    Welcome to WoV West!! You did just post that you would be the new mod and let Mission control your name. You also said everyone has you on ignore!? I don't care really... I want to know if I can get in on the shop n save AP play!? I also hope the Penguins meet the Vegas Knights for the cup... let's go pens but I'm also getting hyped about this go knight go!
    Haha yeah it was obviously a joke. I get along with most everyone. It would be great pens vs knights. The backstory with fleury and all would be tremendous. Btw, did I mention the log jammer has been removed.

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