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  1. #3141
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Jbjb.... how many times can you take the money and run?

    Haven't you been reading on this forum how Caesars is cutting offers? After January 31st I will no longer be Seven Stars. Whatever "goodwill" I have now I want to preserve for when I might need it. In other words, I might hold out for a future advantage play.
    I don't want goodwill with casinos. I'm not, nor should anyone else be, there to be their "friend."

    You could always just play a percentage of what's won back through. This is the kind of stuff Monet talks about.

  2. #3142
    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post

    You could always just play a percentage of what's won back through. This is the kind of stuff Monet talks about.
    This seems off.
    I have always stated that Free Play and Cash are equally the same.
    You do not have to run back a percentage of whats won back through.
    What would you do if you actually lost all of the Free Play in a couple of pulls?
    Easy enough to do if you are playing higher limits.
    It isn't that uncommon to lose 5 hands of VP in a row.
    My point has always been when you download free play these days in Vegas you want to show some play.
    Years ago you used to just be able to go in and collect.
    They don't like that so much anymore. They want to see some play every time you show up.
    Some places will No Mail you these days if you just come in and collect.
    In my opinion Free Play is just part of your bankroll and you are playing to certain monthly coin in levels.
    Best to coordinate your Free Play pick ups with point days and put some serious play in on those days.
    This is if you can coordinate them because they are getting smarter to keep those days separate from each other.
    No big deal. My information or advice is bogus anyways. 2% winners aren't worth Jack.
    I can't wait to crack aces in my next poker session so I can tell them I beat your aces.

  3. #3143
    Originally Posted by monet View Post
    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post

    You could always just play a percentage of what's won back through. This is the kind of stuff Monet talks about.
    This seems off.
    I have always stated that Free Play and Cash are equally the same.
    You do not have to run back a percentage of whats won back through.
    What would you do if you actually lost all of the Free Play in a couple of pulls?
    Easy enough to do if you are playing higher limits.
    It isn't that uncommon to lose 5 hands of VP in a row.
    My point has always been when you download free play these days in Vegas you want to show some play.
    Years ago you used to just be able to go in and collect.
    They don't like that so much anymore. They want to see some play every time you show up.
    Some places will No Mail you these days if you just come in and collect.
    In my opinion Free Play is just part of your bankroll and you are playing to certain monthly coin in levels.
    Best to coordinate your Free Play pick ups with point days and put some serious play in on those days.
    This is if you can coordinate them because they are getting smarter to keep those days separate from each other.
    No big deal. My information or advice is bogus anyways. 2% winners aren't worth Jack.
    I can't wait to crack aces in my next poker session so I can tell them I beat your aces.
    Well...whatever. Just keep on keeping on.

    P.S. I don't care about your poker prowess. Keep the accusations coming though.

  4. #3144
    Originally Posted by MaxPen View Post
    I am now in my 50's and can remember almost everyone I knew in my 20's had some sort of interest in gambling and the allure of such activities.
    Ditto. I remember excitedly reading Beat the Dealer in my early 20's and hitting the casinos with a neighborhood friend who was equally excited about gambling at that time.

  5. #3145
    That's because it was all pretty new, and a bit naughty to gamble in a casino.

    Now days going to a casino is no more difficult or unusual than going to a big box store, thanks to their proliferation across this great land.
    What, Me Worry?

  6. #3146
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    This is the thread to discuss Wizard of Vegas forum right? Some strange things going on over there concerning the members list.

    Let's see....how do I want to put this? Ok, I'll just say it. It appears somebody is trying to manipulate the numbers and make it look like more members are visiting all of the sudden.
    WoW! 197 members visited WoV today. That's like a 2 year high. Strange indeed.

    But...ya know, maybe it is not all suspicious new members, some 10 year old accounts that never post. Maybe it is just the interesting threads over there drawing all this new "action". I mean you got your Nathan's corner (no offense Nathan), The dark Oz Nightmare fiasco, The long running discussion of banned/suspended members and today's special, Zenking who has never been married and likely never will, telling everyone "the truth about marriage".

    Yep, these gambling related discussions are probably what's drawing all the "new" members and visits.

    Ummm. with these kinds of "discussions" completely void of anything to do with gambling or Vegas leading the way, and "management" manipulating the numbers with sockpuppet accounts, Wizard of Vegas has officially crossed over to a completely nonsensical "silly" forum. Good Job Shacky-boy. Quite a legacy.
    Last edited by kewlJ; 01-25-2019 at 12:56 AM.

  7. #3147
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    This is the thread to discuss Wizard of Vegas forum right? Some strange things going on over there concerning the members list.

    Let's see....how do I want to put this? Ok, I'll just say it. It appears somebody is trying to manipulate the numbers and make it look like more members are visiting all of the sudden.
    WoW! 197 members visited WoV today. That's like a 2 year high. Strange indeed.

    But...ya know, maybe it is not all suspicious new members, some 10 year old accounts that never post. Maybe it is just the interesting threads over there drawing all this new "action". I mean you got your Nathan's corner (no offense Nathan), The dark Oz Nightmare fiasco, The long running discussion of banned/suspended members and today's special, Zenking who has never been married and likely never will, telling everyone "the truth about marriage".

    Yep, these gambling related discussions are probably what's drawing all the "new" members and visits.

    Ummm. with these kinds of "discussions" completely void of anything to do with gambling or Vegas leading the way, and "management" manipulating the numbers with sockpuppet accounts, Wizard of Vegas has officially crossed over to a completely nonsensical "silly" forum. Good Job Shacky-boy. Quite a legacy.
    I guess you have something to do with this. Were you banned 2 years ago?

  8. #3148
    Originally Posted by blackhole View Post

    I guess you have something to do with this. Were you banned 2 years ago?
    Nope. Almost 3 years now. In no way am I saying the two are related. It is just a fact WoV has been on the decline as far as member visits for several years. Anyone can look it up. I mean 4-5 years ago they had 300 a day most days. steadily declined to half that until this very suspicious jump in last 2-3 weeks, which turns out to be mostly dormant accounts that hadn't even participated in years or brand new posters without a post. (sock puppets).

    It's not unusual for forum owner/ management to try to manipulate their numbers. They all get very concerned with where they come up in the google search algorithm. Some protect ridiculous posters, who are leading posters with many posts. They don't want to lose that "traffic". Others, like the forum some of us were at prior to this gamblingforums, used sockpuppets to increase membership. He also stole threads word for word from other forums, to make it look like he had more members and discussions.

    Forum owners really have a very different agenda and members should not forget that. I just never thought Shackleford would stoop to this level. But I have underestimated him every step of the way. I mean read what he wrote when he started the forum as far as a "mission statement", and compare that to where the forum: is at today. Maybe if he hadn't banned, not just me, but a number of decent, good members, on his little power trip, with rigged, inflexible rules, he wouldn't need to make up phony sockpuppet members today to round things out.
    Last edited by kewlJ; 01-25-2019 at 10:23 AM.

  9. #3149
    Even the libtards of WoV are piling on that Covington kid. He had the nerve to just stand there and smile when that Indian dude walked up into his face pounding a drum. Of course, the libtards called it a smirk. Get the fuck out. If the dude would have put that drum up in my face pounding away it would have taken me no more than 2 seconds to decide whether to just bitch slap him or go ahead and knock him out.

    The MSM ain't telling the truth about the Indian. He's got a criminal record and he ain't no Vietnam Vet. He was in Marine Corp Reserve for 4 years serving all stateside. He went in a buck private and came out a buck private. Dude had a problem showing up for duty, 3 counts of AWOL. And with this protest thing he's a huckster.

    There's a lawyer in Kentucky giving everyone that libeled those kids in social media until today to retract and apologize or they will be sued. And the Kentucky Attorney General is going after anyone that made felony terroristic threats. Watch the libtards scatter for the hills on this one.

    I don't mind minorities bitching about racism. Maybe they have a legitimate beef. But fuck all those rich white libtard bitches living off the fat of the land and screaming racism every chance they get. I guess they think they are exalting themselves with minorities by doing that. What those rich white libtard assholes should to do to prove they aren't racist is give all their American created wealth to the Indians and head back to Europe. If they can't do that then they are just a bunch of racist bastards too.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  10. #3150
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Even the libtards of WoV are piling on that Covington kid. He had the nerve to just stand there and smile when that Indian dude walked up into his face pounding a drum. Of course, the libtards called it a smirk. Get the fuck out. If the dude would have put that drum up in my face pounding away it would have taken me no more than 2 seconds to decide whether to just bitch slap him or go ahead and knock him out.

    The MSM ain't telling the truth about the Indian. He's got a criminal record and he ain't no Vietnam Vet. He was in Marine Corp Reserve for 4 years serving all stateside. He went in a buck private and came out a buck private. Dude had a problem showing up for duty, 3 counts of AWOL. And with this protest thing he's a huckster.

    There's a lawyer in Kentucky giving everyone that libeled those kids in social media until today to retract and apologize or they will be sued. And the Kentucky Attorney General is going after anyone that made felony terroristic threats. Watch the libtards scatter for the hills on this one.

    I don't mind minorities bitching about racism. Maybe they have a legitimate beef. But fuck all those rich white libtard bitches living off the fat of the land and screaming racism every chance they get. I guess they think they are exalting themselves with minorities by doing that. What those rich white libtard assholes should to do to prove they aren't racist is give all their American created wealth to the Indians and head back to Europe. If they can't do that then they are just a bunch of racist bastards too.
    Amen and +1

  11. #3151
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    There's a lawyer in Kentucky giving everyone that libeled those kids in social media until today to retract and apologize or they will be sued.
    Now that's a very expensive undertaking.

    Who will pay his fee?
    What, Me Worry?

  12. #3152
    Originally Posted by MisterV View Post
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    There's a lawyer in Kentucky giving everyone that libeled those kids in social media until today to retract and apologize or they will be sued.
    Now that's a very expensive undertaking.

    Who will pay his fee?
    Dude should set up a GoFundMe. I would contribute.
    That's actually a good idea for future aspiring lawyers. Take up causes that one may not be able to afford on their own, through the use of pooled funds for expenses.

  13. #3153
    Originally Posted by MisterV View Post
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    There's a lawyer in Kentucky giving everyone that libeled those kids in social media until today to retract and apologize or they will be sued.
    Now that's a very expensive undertaking.

    Who will pay his fee?
    He's doing it pro bono. I seen him interviewed on FNC last night. He don't like the way the kids were treated by news and social media. He especially wants to sue celebrities like big mouth Kathy Griffin.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  14. #3154
    https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-...-nightmare/66/

    DarkOz Quote:

    Lol. Profit margin was so low
    Classic. Thinks his wife is successful with low profits
    Mine are pretty high
    And you can stop with criminality accusations
    You dont know the law
    I have researched it
    I have had dealing with police (who couldn't find a crime involved no matter how much they tried.)
    All those accusations about me being a criminal are falling into libelous areas especially since some people on here claim to know my identity
    P.s. you clearly are accusing redacted and redacted of criminality too since they do very similar if not the same maneuvers as well as the Wizard himself


    -----------------------------------

    WoV at it again.
    DarkOz names AxelWolf and Maxpen and redacts their names out of his quote.
    Maybe WoV Mods redacted it... that isn't clear.
    DarkOz did get suspended for it though.
    Might just as well delete the whole thread.
    When you sign up to an internet forum you put yourself in harms way.
    Nobody to blame but yourself if people post something about you or what you do.
    An AP who never has signed up to an internet forum has less chance of ever being talked about.

    --------------------------------------------------------

    https://vegascasinotalk.com/forum/sh...-Vegas-Players

    When I created the thread on this forum called:
    Warning!! Westgate Las Vegas Players
    Maxpen immediately pmed me.
    He talked about the person who got back roomed at the Westgate who got caught with a pocket full of players cards.
    Scolded me for posting the thread to begin with.
    Stating that this forum doesn't understand AP.
    I basically told him to screw and that if I was going to get banned from this site so be it.
    I had recently been banned from WoV so I was a bit hot sucker.

    Once again these guys trying to paint themselves as the White Knights or the Good Side.
    They even call the Casinos the Dark Side meaning that their side is the side of Light or White.
    I call the Casinos the Evil Empire as well but I do not think I am on the side of Good just because I am against the Casino.

  15. #3155
    I don't see the vociferous AP's as white knights.

    They just don't their good thing to end.
    What, Me Worry?

  16. #3156
    Originally Posted by MaxPen View Post
    Originally Posted by MisterV View Post
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    There's a lawyer in Kentucky giving everyone that libeled those kids in social media until today to retract and apologize or they will be sued.
    Now that's a very expensive undertaking.

    Who will pay his fee?
    Dude should set up a GoFundMe. I would contribute.
    That's actually a good idea for future aspiring lawyers. Take up causes that one may not be able to afford on their own, through the use of pooled funds for expenses.
    You have to really be careful with GoFuckMe. I have to be careful in describing the situation but there was a case involving kids and drug addict parents and homelessness. It made all the papers and news here. I was asked if I would set up trusts for the kids to house the cash received thru the GoFundMe. Figured why not--an hour of work and a lot of good publicity.

    When I met with the childrens' guardian to set up the trusts, she said put $5K in trust for each of the kids. I said what about the other 200K? She said oh I need that to take care of them. She already had bought a car and had found an apartment. GoFundMe had opened a bank account for her and she had no intention of putting it in the trusts.

    I of course declined to get involved.

  17. #3157
    Did you report her for breach of fiduciary duty?
    What, Me Worry?

  18. #3158
    That's one of those situations where the attorney is in the trick bag V. As her attorney, I can't disclose anything as you know. I did report it to my professional liability carrier and asked them what they wanted me to do. They said drop it.

  19. #3159
    Emergency Fun Thread on WoV

    https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-...nd/#post696730

    Originally Posted by MaxPen View Post
    I think alot of that is played up for the news stories. At least the depth of desperation. With that being said, many people live on the edge. Especially government workers that look to the government as their mommy and daddy giving them an allowance.
    Happens alot in the military. When I was in the military I made 2* my monthly pay by lending 60 for 80 on payday. I had dozens of regular customers.
    I used to have dual income inside the beltway government workers with household incomes of 20k per month financing 5-10k purchases when I ran my business in Virginia. Was always interesting to see the litany of open accounts and balances these people carried.
    I see wealth not in the amount of one's net worth so much as the amount of time one can carry themself into the future with no further source of income. Everything is relative.
    Most of the professional AP's that I know could probably do a number of years.
    Funny from someone who has never hustled people!?
    Is that 33% juice?
    60 for 80 making 2X your paycheck!
    Why would you tell everyone this publicly?
    Especially after deleting that post about how you have never worked with WoN.
    Did you employ a leg breaker as well?

    Originally Posted by RS__ View Post
    My EV for the year divided by 52 is my salary?! Bruh that’s unfair!

    Even though much of my income is through AP, not all of it is. I have other investments that (in theory at least) will make me money — but that’s a long term thing, not immediate. My AP earnings are diversified a bit, although I’d like to be a little more diversified. As the Ancient Hawaiians used to say — you can’t skin two cats with one knife and eat them too.

    As far as how many years I’d be okay with without making any income, I don’t really know. Without a doubt, absolute bare minimum is 5 years. Realistically, more than that. If some reason everything went to absolute s*** (like if I lost all my money and investments, all AP dried up everywhere, and have no other options), I could always fall back on going to a casino and dealing.
    Seriously out of touch with the common man.
    Not to say that you don't have a 5 year cushion but that is certainly not normal.
    Not everyone is a math genius like yourself finding 10% winners all over the place night and day.
    Of course not everyone has the "good" circle of friends and the bad "circle" of friends.
    Maxpen and RS... keeping it real.
    Nice of you guys and RogerKint to bash WoN and his furniture later in the thread.
    A quick needle to ZenKing as well.
    The Honest APs who only do good in the world.
    Last edited by monet; 01-26-2019 at 08:32 PM.

  20. #3160
    It was a very common practice in the military for people to borrow 20 for 40 and other amounts. I was known for always being willing to lend. 60 for 80 was a very common thing and people would come to me first. I would be a fool not to do it. I didn't need a leg breaker. I remember getting stiffed once when a guy got transferred and was supposed to mail it to me.
    Why not tell the story? I've never claimed to be a White Knight or whatever you call it. I never claimed to not work with WoN. I claimed to not have ever worked with DarkOz. Thought I should take it down as I might get banned as well. People get banned over there quick, you know that. I get banned quicker than others for some reason.
    You and I are probably alot alike. One major difference that I see though is, I'm not going to talk shit publicly about everyone I meet.
    Speaking of telling stories and relating to the common man. Aren't you the guy talking about having 900k or so in various hidey holes and showering the homeless in the streets with twenties? Who the fuck tells stories like that? Not that I give a fuck about you doing that. So what's your point? Monet, the only one keeping it real.... LoL

    Edit: I'm not claiming to do good in the world. Those days are behind me. I no longer contribute anything of value to society, at least in the normal accepted aspects of what is deemed to be positive contributions by the majority.
    Last edited by MaxPen; 01-26-2019 at 10:30 PM.

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