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  1. #6781
    Originally Posted by Mission146 View Post
    If there's one thing I know for sure, it is this: If I were gay, you would totally fuck me or get fucked by me, or both. It's not even a question. Unfortunately, for you, I'm not.
    No offense, BUT (<-), Mission makes this bizarre, double fuck comment and next thing you know monet's interest is peaked and they are making arrangements to spend a weekend in a cabin in the wilderness. Where do we send the engagement gifts.

    This forum is gayer than some of the gay porn sites I visit. More closet cases than closet world.
    Dan Druff: "there's no question that MDawg has been an obnoxious braggart, and has rubbed a ton of people the wrong way. There's something missing from his stories. Either they're fabricated, grossly exaggerated, or largely incomplete".

  2. #6782
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    No problem sir - very interesting topic. So the way I would run it would be similar to the way a lot of guys run Blackjack: You have a big player come in to make the bets - the signaler/counter is flat betting. Analogously, the dice controller minimum bets against the dice controlled outcome (so minimum bet the Don't if you can and do make less sevens than expected and have the BP bet the pass line and/or place bet all the points - keeping them ON/working throughout the dice-controlled session).
    Oh and let us not forget that Dice Tables are very different these days.
    They have added a bunch of cushion under the felt which makes the dice bounce too much.
    You need a table with the slate/wood only under the felt.
    You want those dice to die when they land perfectly if you can make them land perfectly.
    You can hear the difference when they smack the table.
    It's a very distinct sound when they hit and die correctly.
    I'm not certain someone could control them with the new table conditions and rules.
    I suppose if someone can get a die to helicopter spin most of the time and spin a certain number it could be done.
    The truth is someone out there has figured it out already but don't expect simpletons like myself to garner such knowledge.
    Think about the back wall how it changed from flat to diamonds.
    Much easier to work a table with a flat back wall and thick slate or wood only under the felt.

    Why would the Casino change the rules, cushions and back walls if it wasn't possible to manipulate dice?
    Just paranoia?
    Doubt that.

    I've been in some Casinos late at night in other states that use the half wall/table.
    Some dealers would let you just drop the dice.
    Tell me you can't manipulate or control dice when you just drop them!?
    I've actually been in Vegas on graveyard and had dealers let me just slide them.
    Shit Happens.
    I don't play much and I certainly can't manipulate them but like I say my best pal for years played dice all the time.
    I got into it for awhile, studying and playing but mostly just sweating his action.
    He wasn't controlling anything.
    He was just betting more to win more.
    Worked till it didn't lol.
    He ran it up to half a million a couple times in one night.
    But you know... that is impossible like winning 56 sessions in a row... right??

    Don't all these Math Guys/APs look up to Stanford Wong??
    Didn't he write a book on dice control?
    Didn't he do a Gambling with an Edge epsiode on the topic?
    I'm pretty sure he flip flopped on his position on the topic but he does believe dice can be manipulated.
    He probably just got involved for a cash grab.
    I dunno.
    Whatever.
    Last edited by monet; 04-12-2021 at 06:13 PM.

  3. #6783
    Originally Posted by Mission146 View Post
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post

    There are so many other smaller details that are also bullshit that haven't even been discussed or lightly discussed.

    I did lightly discuss the bullshit about being banned at blackjack at 2 casinos and then reinstated later. Mission came to Mdawgs defense, with some obscure circumstance that this has occurred. But basically there is one scenario that this will occur and that is if the player is a losing player much, much bigger at some other game.

    Now lets talk about almost every single day the pit compliments Mdawg on his play and tells him "he is the best player they have ever seen". Does anyone know how a pit managers job works? They are responsible for for their tables. they are graded on what the hold is for the tables, whether the tables report a win or loss. Now they are not going to get fired because some guy wins. That happens everyday. It is called variance. The casinos experience it just the same as every player (except Mdawg) experiences it. But while they won't get fired, it is not good for them to have tables that report a loss every day. So even if Mdawg was just the luckiest guy in the world, they are not going to be happy to see him and toast him like he is the king of the town.

    There are just so many pieces that doesn't fit, but we are supposed to stand there, with a guys dick out and pee running down our leg and accept that it is raining. And now Oncedear is telling us we should ignore that dick with a stream of pee to our leg, because it is good reading and brings "views". That is the new WoV.
    My scenario was that I was actually able to talk to the guy I needed to talk to. The casino in question would not show me as losing, so don't even try that line. They wouldn't show me as a big anything. Small-time player, wins somewhat. I was definitely winning there, just more than my card would look like because I didn't do any vulturing on my card, just worked the free play. The way their free play was set up is that you could maintain your offers with not very much play, so it was slight profitable and I was going to be vulturing there anyway. I also liked all of the free alcoholic beverage vouchers that I got because my fiancee (then girlfriend) and I would stay in a nearby hotel and the casino had a free shuttle to and from.

    Anyway, I'd go in and vulture with no card (which is where the vast majority of the profits were) and would maintain pickups that I think were $60 per pick up that could sometimes be combined with supplemental small offers and kiosk pick a prize things at an expected loss on the action to maintain those pick ups of about $30. IOW, whatever I made vulturing plus an expected +$58 (roughly, not counting supplemental offers) in exchange for an expected loss of about $30 and I was driving right past there twice a week anyway.

    Purely small-time stuff. I made about $200/week there, but I was managing a hotel full-time at the time, so that was a nice little weekly add for somewhere I'm driving right by anyway.

    So, why was I unbanned?

    1.) The Security Director (who I was able to talk to a few times) was perfectly fine with me being unbanned, but said I had to talk to the Marketing Director because it was his department that was impacted by what was going on. She said that there wasn't anything illegal about what I had been doing there, but it was a marketing department decision.

    2.) Covid-19 happened, prior to that, the guy hadn't responded to my E-Mails or occasional phone messages at all. Then, Covid, and the casino itself was closed. He answered his phone on the second ring, didn't know who it was, of course. I am a friendly and polite person. He said that I could come back, but I'd better never have cards that are in any name but mine on me ever again.

    Anyway, there you go. It had also been four or five years...I can't remember if this was in 2015 or 2016. I think 2016.
    This is all well and fine Mission, but this kind of thing is very, very rare. Based not only on my own experiences but that of a number of blackjack AP's I speak with, it is almost impossible to get a banning or 86ing overturned, not for suspicion of counting cards or advantage play. And that is going to be even more so at the level Mdawg is claiming. Just think about it, why would they? Like I said, maybe if the player is a bigger losing player at something else, (like baccarat).

    I think I have heard of 1 or 2 instances where a player talked pit out of it, right as it was happening. Convince them you are parleying or something rather than raising with count. And you know what that buys the player, about another 10 minutes.

    Again, it comes back to these people have to answer for it. They reverse a 86ing of a known card counter /AP and 10 minutes later, 30 minutes later, a week later, when the player is 86ed again, the person that undid the original banning has to answer for why.
    Dan Druff: "there's no question that MDawg has been an obnoxious braggart, and has rubbed a ton of people the wrong way. There's something missing from his stories. Either they're fabricated, grossly exaggerated, or largely incomplete".

  4. #6784
    pffft Dice Control...
    Who Cares??

    Is this shot real??
    Was the Kill actually Confirmed??
    Tell me what people can and can't do again.
    Thanks.

    Even if this shot was fake they certainly have confirmed kills over how far?
    1 Mile?
    2?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Longes...d_sniper_kills

    Last edited by monet; 04-12-2021 at 06:34 PM.

  5. #6785
    Shooting rag heads and shooting dice are two completely different things.

    Casinos made tables bouncy not because they actually believed that dice setting worked, but because of all the brags by dice setters about how well it works, and how they were cleaning casino clocks via dice setting.

    Ounce of prevention, pound of cure.

    Remember that old hack, Frank Scoblete, and the bullshit he and his dwarves concocted?

    "Golden Touch Craps" my ass.

    I recall confronting one of their teachers and telling him he was full of shit: felt good.
    What, Me Worry?

  6. #6786
    Originally Posted by MisterV View Post
    Shooting rag heads and shooting dice are two completely different things.

    Casinos made tables bouncy not because they actually believed that dice setting worked, but because of all the brags by dice setters about how well it works, and how they were cleaning casino clocks via dice setting.

    Ounce of prevention, pound of cure.

    Remember that old hack, Frank Scoblete, and the bullshit he and his dwarves concocted?

    "Golden Touch Craps" my ass.

    I recall confronting one of their teachers and telling him he was full of shit: felt good.
    You are confusing con-artists and scams/scammers with physics.

  7. #6787
    Monet, please don't get me started on dice setting ... too late.

    Sure, a helicopter / slide shot can work, and under the right conditions I suppose a dead cat bounce could be effective, but otherwise "no dice."

    Too many variables to account for and control, esp. with bouncy tables.

    But if this interests you there are forums devoted to the subject, including Axis Power Craps.

    Love the Nazi implications in the name ...
    What, Me Worry?

  8. #6788
    Somebody Tackle Me!!
    I am posting far too much in the last couple of days.
    Hours and hours of reading and posting.
    This has to stop.
    Time to go to the dentist tomorrow and after that plan a camping trip.
    I got to get away from most of you.
    My Pikachu's, on this site, not included in my derogatory remarks.

  9. #6789
    Originally Posted by monet View Post
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    No problem sir - very interesting topic. So the way I would run it would be similar to the way a lot of guys run Blackjack: You have a big player come in to make the bets - the signaler/counter is flat betting. Analogously, the dice controller minimum bets against the dice controlled outcome (so minimum bet the Don't if you can and do make less sevens than expected and have the BP bet the pass line and/or place bet all the points - keeping them ON/working throughout the dice-controlled session).
    Oh and let us not forget that Dice Tables are very different these days.
    They have added a bunch of cushion under the felt which makes the dice bounce too much.
    You need a table with the slate/wood only under the felt.
    You want those dice to die when they land perfectly if you can make them land perfectly.
    You can hear the difference when they smack the table.
    It's a very distinct sound when they hit and die correctly.
    I'm not certain someone could control them with the new table conditions and rules.
    I suppose if someone can get a die to helicopter spin most of the time and spin a certain number it could be done.
    The truth is someone out there has figured it out already but don't expect simpletons like myself to garner such knowledge.
    Think about the back wall how it changed from flat to diamonds.
    Much easier to work a table with a flat back wall and thick slate or wood only under the felt.

    Why would the Casino change the rules, cushions and back walls if it wasn't possible to manipulate dice?
    Just paranoia?
    Doubt that.

    I've been in some Casinos late at night in other states that use the half wall/table.
    Some dealers would let you just drop the dice.
    Tell me you can't manipulate or control dice when you just drop them!?
    I've actually been in Vegas on graveyard and had dealers let me just slide them.
    Shit Happens.
    I don't play much and I certainly can't manipulate them but like I say my best pal for years played dice all the time.
    I got into it for awhile, studying and playing but mostly just sweating his action.
    He wasn't controlling anything.
    He was just betting more to win more.
    Worked till it didn't lol.
    He ran it up to half a million a couple times in one night.
    But you know... that is impossible like winning 56 sessions in a row... right??

    Don't all these Math Guys/APs look up to Stanford Wong??
    Didn't he write a book on dice control?
    Didn't he do a Gambling with an Edge epsiode on the topic?
    I'm pretty sure he flip flopped on his position on the topic but he does believe dice can be manipulated.
    He probably just got involved for a cash grab.
    I dunno.
    Whatever.
    Yeah that's right, some mid-sized and smaller casinos have the little craps tables (with their mini-craps tables only open during very select hours as you know) - probably more heat (so of course let the BP make the place bets on all the points as mentioned in the earlier post and keep them working for the session) on those since they would be much more vulnerable to a dice controller than a standard-sized table with all the trappings you listed above.
    One other point I forgot to make earlier is that an average person practicing 15 hours a day will never be able to control dice IMHO. It would take an immensely talented individual practicing 15 hours a day to control dice. It is such a person that could probably get it done even with the diamond outcroppings and added cushioning under the felt. Maybe having the dice stick together until they hit the very bottom of the back wall (perhaps the 2-dice block hits the underside of the bottom-most diamond outcropping near the corner of the wall to minimize the amount of movement that occurs after the wall hit) rather than each dice getting separated earlier in the flight towards the wall. Another cute move might be to have the BP make a small pass line bet with the odds bet very near the back wall, with the odds bet chips positioned in such a way for the dice to hit the chips in a systematic way. You see, now you are dealing with a hard surface (the chips' surface) rather than a cushion. Did I say too much here ? yeah probably. But just thinking out loud ;-)

    Good luck at the dentist tomorrow and make sure not to tell him you drink 3 cokes a day because he will tell you not to do that probably (I'm not implying that that is the cause of your visit). I can't stay away from cold cans of coca-cola forever and I certainly don't expect you too either.

  10. #6790
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    No offense, BUT (<-), Mission makes this bizarre, double fuck comment and next thing you know monet's interest is peaked and they are making arrangements to spend a weekend in a cabin in the wilderness. Where do we send the engagement gifts.

    This forum is gayer than some of the gay porn sites I visit. More closet cases than closet world.
    Wait a second here cumbreath.
    (credit to blackhole for that nickname he gave you)
    I grew up in the area that I think Mission lives near currently.
    He seems to know the area well when I talk about it.
    Probably lives in Greensburg or Irwin.
    He obviously made a joke about meeting up with me because ever since I met ZenKing, AxelWolf and BBB in person I have done nothing but trash them.
    And rightfully so.
    All 3 of them completely front a different online persona compared to their real life counterparts.
    In short ZenKing is a skinny nerd in person.
    Axel Wolf about 140lbs soaking wet and a complete drunk, although MaxPen claims he kicked that habit.
    BBB... 250/300 pounds... I dunno but always fishing around for a sponsor/backer.
    I'm pretty sure you are the same and a completely different person compared to all of your online personalities and you have more than I can count.

    I never thought he would actually meet up with me in the woods or on a camping trip because we all know I carry around a lot of guns.
    Also I have been on this camping/hunting/fishing kick as of late not to mention a desire to see PA again.
    I would never stay in a cabin.
    I know too many places in PA that you can camp out by the waterfront.
    Unless the laws have changed in the last 25 years and that could be the case.
    I might go back to PA and be shocked at how it has changed and what you can and can't do anymore.

    I would also have to bring my Uncle with me at the very least if not also my wife and dogs.
    This is because we are talking about a 2000 mile journey or more.
    I would basically have to make this a cross country trip where I stopped at many places along the way and put Western PA on the list of destinations.

    The truth is if I was going to go back to PA and meet up with Mission it would be long into the future and take some serious planning/dedication.
    Not sure it is actually feasible although I would follow through if we made plans.
    I tried to treat all these Fuckers at WoV to dinner once at the 4 Queens but they all got scared when we were publicly stating when and where we were going to meet up.
    I think I had about 10 or 12 people that were interested and I had over 7500 comp at the time.
    I was going to pay for the whole thing but I did get PMs stating that it wasn't expected but that's how I am.
    It fell through because they are so paranoid.

    Go back to the Fat Jokes as they make more sense.
    Or use other derogatory remarks that line up with my faults.
    Last edited by monet; 04-12-2021 at 09:28 PM.

  11. #6791
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    Yeah that's right, some mid-sized and smaller casinos have the little craps tables (with their mini-craps tables only open during very select hours as you know) - probably more heat (so of course let the BP make the place bets on all the points as mentioned in the earlier post and keep them working for the session) on those since they would be much more vulnerable to a dice controller than a standard-sized table with all the trappings you listed above.
    One other point I forgot to make earlier is that an average person practicing 15 hours a day will never be able to control dice IMHO. It would take an immensely talented individual practicing 15 hours a day to control dice. It is such a person that could probably get it done even with the diamond outcroppings and added cushioning under the felt. Maybe having the dice stick together until they hit the very bottom of the back wall (perhaps the 2-dice block hits the underside of the bottom-most diamond outcropping near the corner of the wall to minimize the amount of movement that occurs after the wall hit) rather than each dice getting separated earlier in the flight towards the wall. Another cute move might be to have the BP make a small pass line bet with the odds bet very near the back wall, with the odds bet chips positioned in such a way for the dice to hit the chips in a systematic way. You see, now you are dealing with a hard surface (the chips' surface) rather than a cushion. Did I say too much here ? yeah probably. But just thinking out loud ;-)

    Good luck at the dentist tomorrow and make sure not to tell him you drink 3 cokes a day because he will tell you not to do that probably (I'm not implying that that is the cause of your visit). I can't stay away from cold cans of coca-cola forever and I certainly don't expect you too either.
    Thanks.
    Yes I do drink 3 or more a day on occassions.
    More of a joke really trying to say that coke is so bad for you that it will kill anything in the body.
    Good or Bad, Virus or Medicine.
    My teeth have never been good nor have I cared too much about them.
    I'm trying to see how long I can neglect them before I have to rip them out and drill in implants.
    It's all in the name of Scientific Research.
    Oddly enough the dentists keep telling me I'm crazy because my teeth are very strong and set in very solid.
    I would be an idiot to pull them out and screw in fake ones they tell me.
    What the Fuck do they know though?
    When I'm ready I'm going to get some madman to pull them out and screw fake ones in

    About the dice manipulation or control.
    I'm not arguing with you or anyone else about how to do it or how it can be done.
    My only point is that they can be manipulated.
    That is a fact.
    If you start dropping them from 2 inches up you can prove that.
    Keep raising the bar till you're up to a certain height.
    Once you master that you move back and start to throw them.
    The way I understand it one of the best ways is to get the dice to rotate as less as possible and land perfectly flat together.
    Only one method.

    Other methods involve sliding and helicopter spins are real and I've seen it done.
    Pretty amazing but pretty sure you can't get away with those throws inside of a regulated casino.
    Like I say I wasn't trying to say that this is something that anyone or everyone can do.
    I'm sure you realize all this... just wanted to make it a bit more clear for the peanut gallery.
    My point is that dice can be controlled and or manipulated.
    I don't think anyone can argue that statement.
    So that leads us to being able to use that information inside of a Casino in a real world setting.
    Simply Put... If you can imagine it... it can be done.

    I won't argue 15 hours a day and 10 years.
    What I will simply say is that if you want to get good at anything in life a good base is 10,000 hours of practice.
    No matter what the individual is trying to learn or accomplish.
    And since this is something that involves an athletic hand eye coordination approach.
    Many people will simply be exempt from the jump.
    If that makes sense.

    I'm too lazy right now but didn't they use robotic arms to prove that dice can be manipulated in throws?
    I know you would know that information.

    Last thing I will say is that you are certainly on the right track in using a team.
    However, I suppose if you are going to have a team like that you could find easier spots to take advantage of.
    "jbjb has entered the chat"

    Last edited by monet; 04-12-2021 at 09:47 PM.

  12. #6792
    Speaking of manipulating dice ...

    Get a drink of water in an open glass and keep it with you at the table, below the rail.

    When it's your turn to shoot surreptitiously dampen your fingers and then dampen the two sides of the dice you will throw: do it quickly, then throw them such that when they leave your hand they are square to the wall in front.

    I never dared to try it nor heard of it being done, but I would think that the dice would stay together through the air due to the surface tension of the water keeping them paired together, at least in theory.

    Best of all you'd have plausible deniability.
    What, Me Worry?

  13. #6793
    Originally Posted by monet View Post
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    No offense, BUT (<-), Mission makes this bizarre, double fuck comment and next thing you know monet's interest is peaked and they are making arrangements to spend a weekend in a cabin in the wilderness. Where do we send the engagement gifts.

    This forum is gayer than some of the gay porn sites I visit. More closet cases than closet world.
    Wait a second here cumbreath.
    (credit to blackhole for that nickname he gave you)
    I grew up in the area that I think Mission lives near currently.
    He seems to know the area well when I talk about it.
    Probably lives in Greensburg or Irwin.
    He obviously made a joke about meeting up with me because ever since I met ZenKing, AxelWolf and BBB in person I have done nothing but trash them.
    And rightfully so.
    All 3 of them completely front a different online persona compared to their real life counterparts.
    In short ZenKing is a skinny nerd in person.
    Axel Wolf about 140lbs soaking wet and a complete drunk, although MaxPen claims he kicked that habit.
    BBB... 250/300 pounds... I dunno but always fishing around for a sponsor/backer.
    I'm pretty sure you are the same and a completely different person compared to all of your online personalities and you have more than I can count.

    I never thought he would actually meet up with me in the woods or on a camping trip because we all know I carry around a lot of guns.
    Also I have been on this camping/hunting/fishing kick as of late not to mention a desire to see PA again.
    I would never stay in a cabin.
    I know too many places in PA that you can camp out by the waterfront.
    Unless the laws have changed in the last 25 years and that could be the case.
    I might go back to PA and be shocked at how it has changed and what you can and can't do anymore.

    I would also have to bring my Uncle with me at the very least if not also my wife and dogs.
    This is because we are talking about a 2000 mile journey or more.
    I would basically have to make this a cross country trip where I stopped at many places along the way and put Western PA on the list of destinations.

    The truth is if I was going to go back to PA and meet up with Mission it would be long into the future and take some serious planning/dedication.
    Not sure it is actually feasible although I would follow through if we made plans.
    I tried to treat all these Fuckers at WoV to dinner once at the 4 Queens but they all got scared when we were publicly stating when and where we were going to meet up.
    I think I had about 10 or 12 people that were interested and I had over 7500 comp at the time.
    I was going to pay for the whole thing but I did get PMs stating that it wasn't expected but that's how I am.
    It fell through because they are so paranoid.

    Go back to the Fat Jokes as they make more sense.
    Or use other derogatory remarks that line up with my faults.
    So who weighs more soaking wet with steel toe boots. Zenking or AlexWolf ?

  14. #6794
    Practice, Practice, Practice and play in some Casino that has no clue.
    As tableplay mentioned... have a good team with you.
    Play when the employees don't give a Fuck or get the employees in on it with you.
    Try not to win too much... those idiots trying to cash out 39k+ lol lol lol.
    As always don't get caught as you could have to do time or worse.
    Never take me alive Copper!

    Last edited by monet; 04-12-2021 at 09:53 PM.

  15. #6795
    Originally Posted by Ozzy View Post
    So who weighs more soaking wet with steel toe boots. Zenking or AlexWolf ?
    Too much height with ZenKing.
    Wins easy.
    I'm pretty sure he is taller than me by an inch or two.
    I eat more steak though.
    I think that punk is a Vegan or something like that

    Waiting for Boz to come in here and refute me while praising AxelWolf and BBB.
    Better Business Bureau!?
    We all know he isn't going to stick up for ZenKing.
    That bridge never leaves and is always waiting.
    I know... I slept under one in Santa Monica before.
    Best to pay the toll to the troll.
    There is a reason parents used to tell that fairy tale to their children.
    Last edited by monet; 04-12-2021 at 10:01 PM.

  16. #6796
    Originally Posted by monet View Post
    Originally Posted by Ozzy View Post
    So who weighs more soaking wet with steel toe boots. Zenking or AlexWolf ?
    Too much height with ZenKing.
    Wins easy.
    I'm pretty sure he is taller than me by an inch or two.
    I eat more steak though.
    I think that punk is a Vegan or something like that

    Waiting for Boz to come in here and refute me while praising AxelWolf and BBB.
    Better Business Bureau!?
    We all know he isn't going to stick up for ZenKing.
    That bridge never leaves and is always waiting.
    I know... I slept under one in Santa Monica before.
    Best to pay the toll to the troll.
    There is a reason parents used to tell that fairy tale to their children.
    BBB was complete opposite in person, compared to her tight ship and often bias moderation at wov ?

  17. #6797
    Originally Posted by Ozzy View Post
    BBB was complete opposite in person, compared to her tight ship and often bias moderation at wov ?
    Let me see if I can clarify this.
    I think the problem was more about my perception.
    I may have assumed that she, like others, were more in control compared to what they actually are.
    I suppose I had a sense that she would be more of a backer/sponsor type compared to being one of the grunts.
    I could be wrong here.
    I just got the sense that she was an employee rather than an employer if that makes sense.

    Now before meeting her I had an issue with telling the Wiz to Jump Off a Cliff.
    I posted something to him like "You must think you are playing with kids."
    Remember that?
    It didn't go over so well.

    However, BBB got into private messaging with Wiz and others without my knowledge.
    Made up some covers/or lies without asking first.
    This is because I'm a head case and asked for a 30 day self suspension and got it.
    Later I created PingPangPong without realizing multiple accounts were a thing.
    I didn't read the rules and didn't/don't have much forum experience.
    Turned out to be one of those things you don't do... especially on WoV.
    I'm not much for rules though and reading them.
    Turns out you can't say whatever you want on the internet... who knew?
    Later when she posted her thoughts it was clear she wanted to keep me on the site to post.
    I think it was because I would actually post information publicly.
    I think many people just sit back waiting for someone to give up free information.
    So, looking back it could of been about ulterior motives.
    I get that sense from her.
    You know the type I am sure... always around for the freebies.
    Looking to get the edge on every situation in life.
    Mostly speculation here but AxelWolf isn't the only person who can sniff this kind of stuff out.

    I'm sure that you can agree that most people in life are phony.
    These encounters weren't much different.
    I'm a cynical prick though.
    I got the sense that I talked her ear off during dinner and she had enough.
    Or it could of been because I dismissed her requests to put her on plays.
    I really don't see how she could walk around though.
    Others claim she has no problem getting around.
    I can't imagine her constantly walking all day.
    I had no problem actually showing her what machines are good but she wasn't interested.
    The food and wine gave her some serious digestion issues.
    That food at the 4 Queens is very rich at Hugos as I am sure you know.
    I haven't eaten there since they changed the menu and got all corporate.
    I don't have a problem with partnering up with people but I'm not sponsoring anyone to push the buttons for me.
    My fingers still work.
    I also don't have that kind of trust.
    It takes a lot of trust to put someone on a play and bankroll it while you sleep or do something else.
    What I would do is loan people money.
    Usually people that I know.
    This is how I and others have done this sort of thing for decades.
    I loan someone money and they play what they want.
    Pay it back when you can at no vig of course but that is for a very select few and I haven't done such things for a few years now.
    How can anyone trust a team member to give you accurate results?
    That's impossible... I don't care what these APs say on these forums.
    Everyone going to skim eventually in that sort of a situation.
    Or fall into the pit or sportsbook with your money.
    The only way is when these teams use Managers to watch the Employees but still... not for me.
    Last edited by monet; 04-12-2021 at 11:19 PM.

  18. #6798
    Originally Posted by monet View Post
    Originally Posted by Ozzy View Post
    BBB was complete opposite in person, compared to her tight ship and often bias moderation at wov ?
    Let me see if I can clarify this.
    I think the problem was more about my perception.
    I may have assumed that she like others were more in control compared to they actually are.
    I suppose I had a sense that she would be more of a backer/sponsor type compared to being one of the grunts.
    I could be wrong here.
    I just got the sense that she was an employee rather than an employer if that makes sense.

    Now before meeting her I had an issue with telling the Wiz to Jump Off a Cliff.
    I posted something to him like "You must think you are playing with kids."
    Remember that?
    It didn't go over so well.

    However, BBB got into private messaging with Wiz and others without my knowledge.
    Made up some covers/or lies without asking first.
    Later when she posted her thoughts it was clear she wanted to keep me on the site to post.
    I think it was because I would actually post information publicly.
    I think many people just sit back waiting for someone to give up free information.
    So, looking back it could of been about ulterior motives.
    I get that sense from her.
    You know the type I am sure... always around for the freebies.
    Looking to get the edge on every situation in life.
    Mostly speculation here but AxelWolf isn't the only person who can sniff this kind of stuff out.

    I'm sure that you can agree that most people in life are phony.
    These encounters weren't much different.
    I'm a cynical prick though.
    I got the sense that I talked her ear off during dinner and she had enough.
    Or it could of been because I dismissed her requests to put her on plays.
    I really don't see how she could walk around though.
    Others claim she has no problem getting around.
    I can't imagine her constantly walking all day.
    I don't have a problem with partnering up with people but I'm not sponsoring anyone to push the button for me.
    My fingers still work.
    Yes there are a lot of phonys in life, you see that more as time goes on. Its a lot easier to be " good friends" with people when young in your teens through early 30s. Your a lot more gullible and trusting, learning things the hard way. Its easier to weed out undesirables by the time your around 35-40. You were spot on, most people are lucky to have 1 or 2 real friends and a handful of acquaintances. There are exceptions, people that are extremely extroverted, but they also get burned a lot by people( to trusting). From my observations over the last 23 or so years, most AP'S tend to lean introvert for the most part.

  19. #6799
    Originally Posted by Ozzy View Post
    Yes there are a lot of phonys in life, you see that more as time goes on. Its a lot easier to be " good friends" with people when young in your teens through early 30s. Your a lot more gullible and trusting, learning things the hard way. Its easier to weed out undesirables by the time your around 35-40. You were spot on, most people are lucky to have 1 or 2 real friends and a handful of acquaintances. There are exceptions, people that are extremely extroverted, but they also get burned a lot by people( to trusting). From my observations over the last 23 or so years, most AP'S tend to lean introvert for the most part.
    I was reading a page or two of GF and that WoV Thread.
    Seen you post that I'm the only person/AP(gambler) on these forums that hates AxelWolf.
    Not exactly true.
    I don't hate AxelWolf.
    Actually I like the guys style and what he does.
    Does he know what he is doing?
    Yes.
    Does he get on a Shit Ton of plays and work almost every angle?
    Yes.
    What I hate is how he portrays himself on these forums or how he is portrayed.
    I've said this before.
    He is a Hustler/Grifter Type.
    I am a Hustler/Grifter Type.
    He and others, on these forums put up this front like they are Church Goers.
    Like they are some sort of Holy Individual fighting the Evil Corporate Casino.
    That is not true.
    The Casinos are Evil.
    AxelWolf is Evil.
    So am I.
    Just admit it.

    He also got very odd with his ideology when he was doing some political tests.
    The guy says you don't need a gun in Vegas and as soon as Corona hit he went out and bought a Gun.
    His stance on all this Mask/Covid Protocol is unnerving as well.
    It doesn't line up with his Hustler Lifestyle.

    I get it though.
    He needs to put that persona out there and have his cronies back him up.
    He is about building a Network and Image is just about everything when doing that.
    I'm about Fuck Everyone and Burn it all down.
    I'll do it myself.
    Or something to that extent.
    I get along with a few of these forum members around here.
    I'm not a complete monster.
    Yet.

    No worries though.
    I don't mind people thinking I hate AxelWolf.
    Fuck that guy!
    Last edited by monet; 04-13-2021 at 01:03 AM.

  20. #6800
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    "They absolutely cheated, however, I don't think what they did was illegal, and I don't think the casino had the right to recover."
    https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gamb...on/#post802661

    He just made a post that sums up what I really hate about him.
    He should of just went to Law School with this type of both sides of the fence bullshit.
    I don't hate him but I hate this two faced bullshit that he either posts, believes or both.
    So in essence, if this is at his core... I have to hate him or at least the way he thinks and what he is promoting.
    That is some Fucking Twisted way of thinking!
    Fuck People like that.
    Those are the ones who bend the legal system anyway they can to get whatever result they want.
    That is why his whole defense of anything is what he calls "Grey Areas."
    No such thing as a grey area... that is something people say when they did something wrong and they know it's wrong but they delude themselves and others into thinking that it's ok or good.
    Last edited by monet; 04-13-2021 at 01:33 AM.

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