The WoV Thread

[kewlJ]

What was your average edge percentage-wise?

What now? What are we talking about?



I don't even know the answer to your question. But I suspect you already do.

It's like this. The play was given to me, by a friend AP (much smarter than me) who was unable to play in at the time as he and his people were working on something else. He couldn't pocket it, because he knew it wouldn't last long. He thought it would last a matter of days actually, so he threw me a crumb (for an agreed finder's fee). My brother and I got 16 days. The first 13 just the two of us. The last 3 turned into a bit of an AP gathering. What do YOU know about that?

Afterwards I searched the city for more of this opportunity and while finding none, and am going to continue looking for more. So I will give no details until I am convinced this opportunity is gone for good and will never return ANYWHERE.

Hope you are well though, doing well and have a nice holiday.

[AxelWolf]

What was your average edge percentage-wise?

What now? What are we talking about?



I don't even know the answer to your question. But I suspect you already do.

It's like this. The play was given to me, by a friend AP (much smarter than me) who was unable to play in at the time as he and his people were working on something else. He couldn't pocket it, because he knew it wouldn't last long. He thought it would last a matter of days actually, so he threw me a crumb (for an agreed finder's fee). My brother and I got 16 days. The first 13 just the two of us. The last 3 turned into a bit of an AP gathering. What do YOU know about that?

Afterwards I searched the city for more of this opportunity and while finding none, and am going to continue looking for more. So I will give no details until I am convinced this opportunity is gone for good and will never return ANYWHERE.

Hope you are well though, doing well and have a nice holiday.

Dude, WTF... Are you paranoid or what? It's fucking simple. You said you had a side bet play. That sounds good/fun.

I just wanted to know how good it was. A simple question........ what was your advantage advantage on the play? Why is that so complicated of a question?

Let me give you an example. I had a blackjack side bet play that was worth a 10% advantage and you could/ would baet $500 on the side approximately 30 % of all hand played. The main bet was a $10 min bet with a. 5 % disadvantage. I was getting out 59 hands per hour on average.

[kewlJ]

Dude, WTF... Are you paranoid or what? It's fucking simple. You said you had a side bet play. That sounds good/fun.

I just wanted to know how good it was. A simple question........ what was your advantage advantage on the play? Why is that so complicated of a question?

Oh Axel, relax. I think part of the problem you and I have always had is we have mis-interpreted when the other is kidding. Probably have way different senses of humor. I am not blaming anything on you.

I honestly don't know the answer to most of your questions and am not smart enough to figure out on the fly. Here is the way it went down. I received a call on a Sunday evening about a play from a fellow AP that sometime seems to like me, sometimes seems not to. He told me how to play it. What I had to count (specialty level one count) and when to bet. It is about every 4th round that is profitable. He said it would be perfect for a 2 player team and we could each expect to make $400 an hour. That is 4 times what I make an hour and 5-6 times what my brother makes. If we hit or came close to that expected value for at least 3 days, I agreed to a 20% finders fee. If we did not, we agreed to discuss it afterwards. I don't know how that $400 hour broke down, what the advantage was each time we bet and how many such bets we would get each hour. I will try to figure it out or maybe ask him and get back to you privately.

The reason you were even on my mind is because he was sure the play would only last a few days and other AP's or teams would swoop in. I immediately thought of you and that is a compliment because you are top notch and seem to know all the plays. So on day 14 when another player showed up and played very similar to us for hours and then 3 players (including that first guy) showed up on day 15 and 16, I knew none were you, but again thought they might be associated with you. Whether or not they were really doesn't matter. This play was not going to last long. I am pleasantly surprised it lasted as long as it did. I am not blaming anyone. Everyone else had as much right to it as us, maybe more, because I wouldn't have figured it out on my own, had it not been 'given' to me.

[Tasha]

Well, WOV Posters are FINALLY suggesting what I suggested already earlier today. Split the Alan VS Kewlj arguments into their own thread and reopen the Living In Hotels Thread. At least one Poster commented that the thread had a lot of knowledgeable posts before Kewlj and Alan decided to fight in it.

[MaxPen]

Well, WOV Posters are FINALLY suggesting what I suggested already earlier today. Split the Alan VS Kewlj arguments into their own thread and reopen the Living In Hotels Thread. At least one Poster commented that the thread had a lot of knowledgeable posts before Kewlj and Alan decided to fight in it.

Nobody cares what you think. Don't you have a hobo bag to hide in the bushes or something?

[Tasha]

The Living In Hotel Thread has been reopened! It honestly should never have been closed in the first place.

[The Boz]

Well, WOV Posters are FINALLY suggesting what I suggested already earlier today. Split the Alan VS Kewlj arguments into their own thread and reopen the Living In Hotels Thread. At least one Poster commented that the thread had a lot of knowledgeable posts before Kewlj and Alan decided to fight in it.

Nobody cares what you think. Don't you have a hobo bag to hide in the bushes or something?

Done, now she’s off to dinner.

[monet]

Did billryan get nuked?
lol

Oops no, I guess that was a different billy.

[monet]

Fully Vaccinated with Booster... RIP

https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/ques...49/#post837775

259/149? Good lord, Drich, please let us know when and if you are out of danger. Your immediate blood pressure problem is hereby granted a waiver from being penalized for being "off-topic" in this thread.

[jdaewoo]

Fully Vaccinated with Booster... RIP

https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/ques...49/#post837775

259/149? Good lord, Drich, please let us know when and if you are out of danger. Your immediate blood pressure problem is hereby granted a waiver from being penalized for being "off-topic" in this thread.

Sorry, were you retarded enough to read that and conclude he was in the ER because he had Covid19?

[monet]

https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-...73/#post837852

lol... kewlJ has stated that he will not be participating at any gambling forums for a good long while.
I guess Tater wins or does Moses win?
kewlJ needs a ride from his mom.

[Ozzy]

https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-...73/#post837852

lol... kewlJ has stated that he will not be participating at any gambling forums for a good long while.
I guess Tater wins or does Moses win?
kewlJ needs a ride from his mom.

It looks like Michel and Moses have beaten the UNKOOL1 to a pulp.

[Garnabby]

lol... kewlJ has stated that he will not be participating at any gambling forums for a good long while.
I guess Tater wins or does Moses win?
kewlJ needs a ride from his mom.

--->

Resolution to renew the determination for peace on the basis of lessons learned from history.

https://anagram-solver.net/lolkewlJh...m?partial=true

[Tasha]

I'm confused. Mdawg is supposedly Suspended from WOV for a week for Feuding, but the link on the Suspension List leads to KEWLJ'S quote and Oncedear's response to him. That link is NOT an Mdawg quote.... :/

[MaxPen]

I'm confused. Mdawg is supposedly Suspended from WOV for a week for Feuding, but the link on the Suspension List leads to KEWLJ'S quote and Oncedear's response to him. That link is NOT an Mdawg quote.... :/

No one cares.

I'm guessing KJ feels like getting bit by the Dog again if he went back to that fools paradise.....RIP

[Tasha]

How has this issue STILL not been fixed at WOV? The Feuding posts that got Mdawg Suspended are in the "Discussion 3 about Suspension List," NOT the Adventures Of Mdawg Part 2 thread. On the actual Suspension List, it says,"Feuding," near Mdawg's name, and the link leads to a Kewlj rant ranting about WOV. NOT to an Mdawg Post which would be REALLY confusing to MOST People who click on the "Feuding," link found in the actual Suspension List. They would be like,"What does a Kewlj rant about WOV have to do with Mdawg Feuding? :/ They REALLY should fix that.

[kewlJ]

How has this issue STILL not been fixed at WOV? The Feuding posts that got Mdawg Suspended are in the "Discussion 3 about Suspension List," NOT the Adventures Of Mdawg Part 2 thread. On the actual Suspension List, it says,"Feuding," near Mdawg's name, and the link leads to a Kewlj rant ranting about WOV. NOT to an Mdawg Post which would be REALLY confusing to MOST People who click on the "Feuding," link found in the actual Suspension List. They would be like,"What does a Kewlj rant about WOV have to do with Mdawg Feuding? :/ They REALLY should fix that.

Why do you think this matters at all. What difference does it matter what link they put in the suspension list. Everyone that has any interest and reads, knows exactly what is going on. And if you don't then I will spell it out for you.

Mdog is an insure, rich dude, seeking attention and approval. Born into a wealthy family, his family thinks of him as the fuck up that he is. Given every advantage in life, he has managed to get a degree from an online college and a law degree from an online college, that no state outside of California will even recognize. So he practices law as an ambulance chaser, when not gambling. He is a life long losing gambler. I guess he enjoys the comps, that he pays for with his losses.

So seeking attention and approval that isn't coming from his family, he has this ridiculous story about beating baccarat. He is the greatest baccarat player ever. Dealers and pit bosses tell him he is the greatest ever and pat him on the back and high end strip casinos comp him their best suite for a solid year now.

And Michael Shackleford, who runs a forum supposed to be about the mathematics of gambling and the reality of Las Vegas allows and enables this BS that misleads people. Shackleford claims it is the name of "free speech", but his idea of free speech is pretty one sided.

People that know Shackleford better than I, tell me he is very naive and gullible. So either despite his math brilliance, he is one stupid, gullible fuck or he is now part of this fantasy, make believe "adventure", being paid to keep silent and enable this insecure, California fucktard.

It is really no different than some of these you tube scammers. Sure Mdog isn't selling anything.....he is seeking approval and admiration. But that is what some of these youtubers are about as well. Instead of you tube, gambling forums are this frauds platform, and Shackleford complicit for providing that platform to mislead people.


So what difference does it make what reason they give for suspensions or what they link to. The fact is that anyone who objects to Mdogs bullshit or dare say they don't believe it, or that is not the way the math or Las Vegas works, will be suspended and silenced as part of this protection Shackleford is giving Mdog. And the other moderators, who will tell you privately how much they hate what is going on, are too cowardice to say or do anything publicly.

[MisterV]

There are no rules at WoV that prohibit lying.

There is a rule that prohibits calling a poster at WoV a liar.

Is that fair?

[kewlJ]

There are no rules at WoV that prohibit lying.

There is a rule that prohibits calling a poster at WoV a liar.

Is that fair?

Seriously V, you are using "fair" and WoV in the same post?


LYING. Here's the thing. Should WoV or any forum police everything said or claimed as far as truthfulness? Of course not. But repeated claims the magnitude of Mdog's or not to pick on him, but Singer's....yes. It is the math and to a lesser degree reality of how things and Las Vegas works that should be the very low bar that must be cleared for claims of this magnitude. A person just shouldn't be able to claim things that defy math, or defy and or how Las Vegas works. Mdog's claims defy both.

With Singer, Shackleford interviewed him at least twice that I know of, once written in article form and once on camera more recently attempting to get to the bottom of claims that didn't clear that bar. Why has no such interview with Mdog been set up. Even worse, Shackleford has agreed not to talk about it? Why would the guy who has always wanted to get to the bottom of things do that?

So if Shackleford has allowed himself to become mixed up in this BS, whether having been paid, or just by being gullible, how about somebody else? I would like to see Munchkin interview Mdog on GWAE. Since most of the GWAE interviews are done by phone now, Mdogs anonymity would be protected. And I am quite sure Munchkin would ask the questions that need be asked and not allow Mdog to gloss over the math and the way Las Vegas works without challenging that.

Mickey, any chance you could drop Munchkin a line and suggest an interview with Mdog, a guy who claims to beat baccarat for hundreds of thousands of dollars and lately claims to have beaten blackjack for hundreds of thousands of dollars while being comped a suite at Cosmo for a solid year now? I am very confident Munchin would ask the questions necessary to get to the bottom of this that Shackleford seems unwilling to ask.

And the great baccarat player would be getting the attention he seeks. win-win!

[mcap]

How has this issue STILL not been fixed at WOV? The Feuding posts that got Mdawg Suspended are in the "Discussion 3 about Suspension List," NOT the Adventures Of Mdawg Part 2 thread. On the actual Suspension List, it says,"Feuding," near Mdawg's name, and the link leads to a Kewlj rant ranting about WOV. NOT to an Mdawg Post which would be REALLY confusing to MOST People who click on the "Feuding," link found in the actual Suspension List. They would be like,"What does a Kewlj rant about WOV have to do with Mdawg Feuding? :/ They REALLY should fix that.

Why would you care?

You are PERMANENTLY banned.