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  1. #9481
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    The LID's friend Eustace offered to sell me her login credentials at WOV, but I declined.
    Thankfully, the LID and Eustace got away clean!!


  2. #9482
    I am amazed that placing a bet in front of casino personnel with everything done in front of them. No slight of hand. No device. Nothin'. But somehow they get a prosecution here? Just write off the 200k. What a bad look. Casinos are awful.

  3. #9483
    Originally Posted by accountinquestion View Post
    Casinos are awful.
    3 simple words and yet a mouthful. The casino industry is a dastardly foe that we fight regularly whether a player that makes a living, down to recreational players.

    They have no qualms about what they will do, legally or not. The fact they are so easily willing to pay off situations where they willfully commit wrongful acts....man that tells you how much they really make. Forget what the earnings reports say.

  4. #9484
    How can a player slide dice in an electronic craps game?

    The only such game I've seen had the game roll dem bones without any hands on from the player.
    What, Me Worry?

  5. #9485
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by accountinquestion View Post
    Casinos are awful.
    3 simple words and yet a mouthful. The casino industry is a dastardly foe that we fight regularly whether a player that makes a living, down to recreational players.

    They have no qualms about what they will do, legally or not. The fact they are so easily willing to pay off situations where they willfully commit wrongful acts....man that tells you how much they really make. Forget what the earnings reports say.
    I hope you bankrupt those mfers after what they did to you.

  6. #9486
    Originally Posted by MisterV View Post
    How can a player slide dice in an electronic craps game?

    The only such game I've seen had the game roll dem bones without any hands on from the player.

  7. #9487
    Originally Posted by monet View Post
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    The LID's friend Eustace offered to sell me her login credentials at WOV, but I declined.
    Thankfully, the LID and Eustace got away clean!!
    Yes. I just spoke with Eustace over the phone. She told me that she and the LID are planning an online casino venture with their craps winnings called WANNAS casino and that it will transform the earth into a world-wide utopia.

  8. #9488
    Ole EB spamming the site again with his bullshit of "I can beat roulette" garbage.

  9. #9489
    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    Ole EB spamming the site again with his bullshit of "I can beat roulette" garbage.
    I kinda wish he'd include Divine Intervention into his story just to provoke and confound you even further.

    When are posters like you, who are hellbent on making a bunch of unknowns believe you perform "AP" better than everyone else, gonna wake up and smell the urine....wake up, and realize EvenBob has been toying with you people on WoV, as his apparently clever response to all of you portraying that you do nothing but win over the years. It's a mock genius, and a very effective one. He simply makes a few pertinent, poignant posts, sits his worn out old body into an easy chair almost as old as him, and waits for the frayed nerve sheep to wallow in their own discomfort and sweat.

    Good for EB.

  10. #9490
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    Ole EB spamming the site again with his bullshit of "I can beat roulette" garbage.
    I kinda wish he'd include Divine Intervention into his story just to provoke and confound you even further.

    When are posters like you, who are hellbent on making a bunch of unknowns believe you perform "AP" better than everyone else, gonna wake up and smell the urine....wake up, and realize EvenBob has been toying with you people on WoV, as his apparently clever response to all of you portraying that you do nothing but win over the years. It's a mock genius, and a very effective one. He simply makes a few pertinent, poignant posts, sits his worn out old body into an easy chair almost as old as him, and waits for the frayed nerve sheep to wallow in their own discomfort and sweat.

    Good for EB.
    I'm sure he, nor you for that matter, are doing "good" at anything.

    As for EB. The only thing he's "beating" is his "meat" because his wife lives in a different house. Very SMART of her!

  11. #9491
    Robert, you must be new to gambling forums, otherwise you'd have "wised up" to the fact that "Even Bob" is but the latest sock / new name for a prolific forum poster formerly known as "Spike."

    "Spike" claimed for years at a now defunct forum, "Gamblers' Glen" that he had a winning method to play roulette.

    I'm not sure if he ever described himself as an AP, but making that claim is tantamount to adopting the AP label.

    His detractors were legion, as are yours, and as in your case they hooted and jeered at his assertions; he became the forum's piss boy.

    He still is, but he's learned to wear it well.

    So in mocking / questioning the possibility of AP he is undercutting / naysaying that which he maintained for years.

    Ah, senility: so peaceful as the mind evaporates ...
    What, Me Worry?

  12. #9492
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post

    I kinda wish he'd include Divine Intervention into his story just to provoke and confound you even further.

    When are posters like you, who are hellbent on making a bunch of unknowns believe you perform "AP" better than everyone else, gonna wake up and smell the urine....wake up, and realize EvenBob has been toying with you people on WoV, as his apparently clever response to all of you portraying that you do nothing but win over the years. It's a mock genius, and a very effective one. He simply makes a few pertinent, poignant posts, sits his worn out old body into an easy chair almost as old as him, and waits for the frayed nerve sheep to wallow in their own discomfort and sweat.

    Good for EB.
    This is actually a very revealing post by the person that trolls as Rob Singer.

    Gambling is defined as playing a game of chance for money. With casino gambling, those games of chance are all set up to an advantage for the casino or house. But with the application of mathematic principals, almost every game can be flipped to a player's advantage. It takes not just the knowledge of the math, but the funds to be able to do this because there is almost always variance or swings involved, meaning the player (AP) can lose short-term while playing with an advantage just the same as the house or casino can lose short-term when playing with an advantage. And then there is the mental make-up to be able to do this, consistently, while battling the casino industry who is trying to stop you.

    The players that are able to do this consistently, sometimes enough so that they make a living doing so are called advantage players. There are some losing players or gamblers that seem to despise these consist winning players using math to win. Not all losing players. Some are very content with the concept of gambling, to play a game of chance where the odds favor the house and take their chances for entertainment of fun purposes. MrV being a perfect example.

    But there are other (long-term) losing players that despise the winning players so much (jealousy) that they make up stories that defy the math. This is called trolling and the people that do so on gambling forums are mostly people that have attempted to win by playing with an advantage and failed, hence their jealousy and bitterness towards those that are able to. And these trolls seem to admire one another and their lies and made up stories.

    In short, Trolls on these gambling forums get their enjoyment by agitating those players that are able to win, using mathematics, where the trolls can't or haven't been able to.

    Thanks to former #1 troll Rob Singer for laying this out and explaining it far better than I or anyone else could.
    Last edited by kewlJ; 06-12-2023 at 10:48 AM.

  13. #9493
    Now the person that posts as EvenBob, and I guess "spike" and maybe some other handles, but I always knew him as EvenBob from my days at WoV, once PMed me to tell me that he used to count cards successfully at blackjack. He seemed to have some knowledge of the concept, but not enough to be a real winning players, so I assumed he was a losing blackjack players, among other games. He specifically stated that this was during a time he drove a taxi. So if his card counting was about making money, he would have been making his money card counting rather than slubbing people around town for money.

    Of course maybe his taxi-driving wasn't about making money as he could make all the money he needed from his card counting and roulette "systems". Maybe his driving a taxi and later workuing in and/or owning a bar, was about interacting with people, because we all know how much a people-person EvenBob is.

    Basically, I took Evenbob to be the Richard Dreyfus character in "Let it Ride", where Dreyfuss drove a cab in the morning and lost most of that money in the afternoons at the horse track. Just substitute the horse track for casino with EvenBob.

  14. #9494
    I have been asked by mickeycrimm, among others, why I never called out or challenged EvenBob as I have some of these other trolls, making up BS fantasy gambling claims. It's a fair question, since I have spent a lot of time and effort calling out some others that do the same thing.

    I guess the answer is that I never considered EvenBob a threat to anyone. He just is not even a good troll. If anyone is being mislead by EvenBob, they deserve it. While some of these others go to pretty elaborate trolling measures that can result in some players being mislead. You know, things like posting pictures in a Newell RV that doesn't belong to you, or posting pictures of cash and chips spread out in your comped casinos suite.

    Newsflash: losing high-end players get high-end comps, not winning (AP) high-end players. I mention this because it was just yesterday I think, maybe the day before as I was out most of yesterday and didn't read forums much, but it was within the past day or two that the troll that posts as Mdawg, stated that every time he plays, he plays with an advantage, which is a 100% turn-around or flip flop from what he stated when he began his fantasy adventure. So NOW he is an AP. And casinos doesn't comp high end AP's for years on end. He is going to have to come up with something else.

  15. #9495
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Of course maybe his taxi-driving wasn't about making money as he could make all the money he needed from his card counting and roulette "systems". Maybe his driving a taxi and later workuing in and/or owning a bar, was about interacting with people, because we all know how much a people-person EvenBob is.
    Strange duck, this EB...

    Earlier in his life it seems he relished human contact: drove a taxi, then owned and worked at a bar.

    But then ... somehting happened.

    His wife left him.

    He isolated himself in a cave in western Michigan, eschewing normal human interaction; now he spends a lot of his time online, defending his ill-formed principles and dismissing all naysayers as fools.

    Sort of like a quasi-senile Don Quixote.

    Living the High Life.
    Last edited by MisterV; 06-12-2023 at 11:43 AM.
    What, Me Worry?

  16. #9496
    Originally Posted by MisterV View Post
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Of course maybe his taxi-driving wasn't about making money as he could make all the money he needed from his card counting and roulette "systems". Maybe his driving a taxi and later workuing in and/or owning a bar, was about interacting with people, because we all know how much a people-person EvenBob is.
    Strange duck, this EB...

    Earlier in his life it seems he relished human contact: drove a taxi, then owned and worked at a bar.

    But then ... somehting happened.

    His wife left him.

    He isolated himself in a cave in western Michigan, eschewing normal human interaction; now he spends a lot of his time online, defending his ill-formed principles and dismissing all naysayers as fools.

    Sort of like a quasi-senile Son Quixote.

    Living the High Life.
    V: you, me, nor anybody else knows exactly what kind of life EB leads or has led. It's all based on conjecture.... conjecture that is wholly based on the info he has provided, true or not and believable or not, over his long tenure at WoV. Kind of like the life kew presents for himself here....for those of you who don't know the truth of it.

    I deduced that he's a toe-picking, easy-chair snoring, lonely old man with a witchy cantankerous wife long ago. Beyond that it's anybody's guess. But one thing's for certain: he's got the self-proclaimed AP "winners" jumping thru the hoops he so graciously provides.

  17. #9497
    Hmmm, I wonder who is the biggest bulls-shits artist to make the scene on gamblings forum, hey hey????

  18. #9498
    Originally Posted by soxfan View Post
    Hmmm, I wonder who is the biggest bulls-shits artist to make the scene on gamblings forum, hey hey????
    You hit the nail on the head

  19. #9499
    There are multiple ways a person could gain an advantage in baccarat, even situations where you could have perfect knowledge and be guaranteed to win. There are even going to be comps and perks involved for a while.

    But what isn't going to happen for long is staying and playing for months at a time while enjoying lavish RFB and continually winning day after day all while posting up pictures and trip reports. Especially when you claim pit bosses and employees all know you and comment on how often you win.

  20. #9500
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    There are multiple ways a person could gain an advantage in baccarat, even situations where you could have perfect knowledge and be guaranteed to win. There are even going to be comps and perks involved for a while.

    But what isn't going to happen for long is staying and playing for months at a time while enjoying lavish RFB and continually winning day after day all while posting up pictures and trip reports. Especially when you claim pit bosses and employees all know you and comment on how often you win.
    Spot on. We know when a player starts talking about "pressing bets" and "reading shoes" any real AP technique's and legitimate edges have gone out the window.

    (By reading shoes, I mean Voodoo stuff, not someone with actual knowledge/information of the shoes actual makeup)

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