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  1. #2201
    Originally Posted by Rob Singers Clitoris View Post
    No one will ever top the 18 yos in a row balony. It stands head and shoulders above any load of shit that anyone could ever dream of coming up with.
    You mean like a VP machine going ALL day without a quad! I mean- they ARE random-right?

  2. #2202
    And now kew makes up a mother driver....

    What kind of idiot proclaiming to be living off of blackjack, still lives with mommy dearest, says he makes her drive him all over town--and all this after claiming to have had heart surgery along with having had his lover drop dead from aids....tells all this on a forum?

    Either he's the most insecure fool in the world with a very dysfunctional "family" who just HAS to spill the beans about everything, thinking it'll pump up his feeling of relevance....or he's what I've said and others agreed with: a complete phony. But there is one thing for certain--no true successful "AP" would EVER say any of this stuff. No wonder they tossed his fraudulent ass from WoV.

  3. #2203
    Yes, he is a proven liar.

    No, he got tossed from WoV for issues other than fraud.

    Twinkle toes has anger control issues.
    What, Me Worry?

  4. #2204
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by Bill Yung View Post
    Obviously, you and the others are jackasses.
    Says the jackass challenging others to a pissing contest over grades in school. Lol. You and all your sockpuppets and identies have some real issues.

    Funny isn't it, how all the trolliest of these frauds all have many sockpuppets. Multiple identities. Some real mental issues going on here.
    I'm allowing you the opportunity to see my credentials that you tried to "reason" away the same way that you do the life going on all around you. You and the other "AP's" talk big, but nothing ever comes of it. Not even when someone stands up to you with something that you decided to challenge me on (with the "math" of the short run).

    MC is always challenging others to a $10,000 bet he can't demonstrate or deliver on (because it has to be a sure thing for him). Then, why not a nominal bet of $1,000 that I can and will demonstrate. And you may choose any amount over that; or the group of you may split on the $1,000.

    Anyway, you have already libelled Singer about the food stamps, etc, so it matters not that you don't post up where you think you got your information about him. Those places just don't want any part of such lawsuits. Poor form on your part to claim, again, what you can't deliver.

    New meaning to the word beclownment?
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  5. #2205
    On the other hand, if I am bluffing, then you guys are going to look like even bigger fools, if that is even possible. Time to pay the fiddler.
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  6. #2206
    Originally Posted by Bill Yung View Post
    On the other hand, if I am bluffing, then you guys are going to look like even bigger fools, if that is even possible. Time to pay the fiddler.
    Bill do you prefer bagging in paper or plastic?

  7. #2207
    Originally Posted by Bill Yung View Post
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    What a waste. There were some good knowledgeable people who were joining and participating on this site. Some known successful AP. Some recreational gamblers. Even a couple mods from WoV. All are almost all are gone now and the couple that are left barely participate. Vegas Casino Talk is back to a sewer wasteland.
    I have to confess that I don't read all of this forum. Just the items that catch my eye in passing, or some things that I look for.

    Did KJ get around to telling us how many casinos he's been tossed from, if he can count, etc, at all? Or to the reason he drags his mother around with him? How about that food stamp business by Singer?

    Just for you, KJ, I'll post up my grade-13 transcripts. At a bargain price. I averaged, if I recall, 98.6 over 6 of 8 grade-13 level courses, the number of courses as required for university admission. (It was a tough school, but good practice for another. Sigh. In any event, degrees and the like mean little to me. They are nice to have, but I don't care about one or two or more here or there.) What have you to put up? How about a $1,000? Is my identity worth $1,000 to you, the guy who makes that in one sitting. How about your grade-13 certificate?

    Of course, your other option is to run and hide, again. Think it over. "Make my day," please.
    Rofl. Get the fuck outta here, eurotrash.

  8. #2208
    Originally Posted by RS__ View Post
    Originally Posted by Bill Yung View Post
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    What a waste. There were some good knowledgeable people who were joining and participating on this site. Some known successful AP. Some recreational gamblers. Even a couple mods from WoV. All are almost all are gone now and the couple that are left barely participate. Vegas Casino Talk is back to a sewer wasteland.
    I have to confess that I don't read all of this forum. Just the items that catch my eye in passing, or some things that I look for.

    Did KJ get around to telling us how many casinos he's been tossed from, if he can count, etc, at all? Or to the reason he drags his mother around with him? How about that food stamp business by Singer?

    Just for you, KJ, I'll post up my grade-13 transcripts. At a bargain price. I averaged, if I recall, 98.6 over 6 of 8 grade-13 level courses, the number of courses as required for university admission. (It was a tough school, but good practice for another. Sigh. In any event, degrees and the like mean little to me. They are nice to have, but I don't care about one or two or more here or there.) What have you to put up? How about a $1,000? Is my identity worth $1,000 to you, the guy who makes that in one sitting. How about your grade-13 certificate?

    Of course, your other option is to run and hide, again. Think it over. "Make my day," please.
    Rofl. Get the fuck outta here, eurotrash.
    Hahaha, guess what. I'm still here.

    What's wrong, RS, you don't have a $1,000 dollars, and no high school diploma? Should be an easy bet when I am so "unbelievable".

    Looks like I'm talking to a bruised ego, nay, another big head.
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  9. #2209
    I don't live with my Mother. That is just another Singer lie. I lived with my spouse and brother (who is my blackjack business partner) in a 4 bedroom home that I own. Now it is just me and my brother (except this weekend when his friends are here for EDC). Mom lives about a mile away in a small condo in a 55+ community. Mom moved to Vegas from Florida a couple years ago, after divorcing my stepdad. She wanted to be near my brother and I.

    When my spouse passed, I didn't recruit anyone to be my driver. I am more that capable of driving myself. A friend and former housemate, who was familiar with my setup, almost immediately asked if he could fill the roll of driving me and playing through free play for a split of the profits. (same arrangement as my spouse). I was considering that and then Mom said she would like to get involved driving me and doing some of the other errands like cashing in chips. I was surprised she was interested, but she has a lot of free time on her hands, as she is retired and having lived in Vegas only a couple years, only has a couple friends.

    Yes, I will be compensating her. I am also teaching her about playing our machine play through and she will get a share of that profit. And frankly she can use the money as she doesn't have a lot of money living off her pension from teaching until social security kicks in in another 5-7 years. So far she seems to be really into it and enjoying it. And there is free lunch involved....she likes that. So we will see how it goes.

    MrV. I don't have an issue with you. And whenever I bring up the fact that you seem to have an issue with me, you always deny it. And yet here you are joining the internet's biggest troll, and nastiest person on this site, in calling me names like twinkle toes and a proven liar. That's fine that like many others you don't like me, but stop telling me it's my imagination.

    "Proven liar": I lied 7 years ago after being robbed at gun point outside my home at the time. Recognizing that the robbery was related to my internet participation, I made up a story in the hopes of protecting against a repeat incident. So sue me.
    Last edited by kewlJ; 05-19-2018 at 02:06 PM.

  10. #2210
    Originally Posted by Keystone View Post
    Originally Posted by Bill Yung View Post
    On the other hand, if I am bluffing, then you guys are going to look like even bigger fools, if that is even possible. Time to pay the fiddler.
    Bill do you prefer bagging in paper or plastic?
    Well, these people don't realize that there are both crazier and smarter persons at the same time in the world.

    "Blackjack Attack" doesn't tell the goofballs what to do when someone questions the sincerity of its authors.
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  11. #2211
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    "Proven liar": I lied 7 years ago after being robbed at gun point outside my home at the time. Recognizing that the robbery was related to my internet participation, I made up a story in the hopes of protecting against a repeat incident. So sue me.
    More like, piss on you.
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  12. #2212
    Originally Posted by MisterV View Post
    Twinkle toes has anger control issues.
    I shouldn't respond to this with the name calling, but I will. I don't think I have anger issues. Admittedly, I don't like being disrespected and treated unfairly by people I respect and like(d). And that is what Mike did. I was invited to participate at Wizard's site, by one of the mods, who I didn't really know, but sent me an email inviting me to participate. At that time I was only participating at 2 blackjack sites, BJ21.com and Qfit's newly started site, which was formed to fill the void after blackjackinfo shut down.

    So I joined WoV and began mostly only participating in blackjack and promotion discussions, but soon began enjoying other discussions as well. Almost immediately after I started to participate, I started being advised by members of the blackjack community to be careful, that Mike Shackleford was not to be trusted because of his involvement with Venetian. One of those that warned that the loudest was one Norm Wattenberger (QFIT) who publicly stated that was the reason, he did not participate at WoV.

    But I saw no evidence that Wizard's association with the casino industry was problematic. No evidence that he informed Venetian of AP info that he might have known or was even in a position to. (I can't say the same of other AP's turned traitor...Eliot). So I gave Mike the benefit of doubt and participated for 4 full years, participating in a positive manner, sharing my experiences, trying my best to make the site beneficial to all.

    So when my feud with QFIT came about and QFIT came to WoV (yeah the same QFIT that said he would never participate there because he didn't trust Shackleford) for the sole purpose of manipulating and bullying Mike to shut me down, yeah, I felt and continue to feel pretty disrespected and unfairly treated.

    There is a case to be made that Mike was put in a pretty bad bind, put in the middle by QFIT and didn't know how to handle it. But now 2 years later, That case can no longer be made. QFIT having stopped participating after he got what he wanted, makes it crystal clear, he was only there to use and manipulate Mike. And Mike not being able to acknowledge that even now, burns me even more.
    Last edited by kewlJ; 05-19-2018 at 02:35 PM.

  13. #2213
    You do have anger control issues; they come out on display occasionally on this board as well.

    For example, you'll get pissed / exasperated about something, "quit" the board and then come back; WTF is up with that, other than anger control issues?

    You insult forum members in a harsh manner, guys such as Singer and alan, for no reason other than personal satisfaction.

    Like a volcano you erupt unpredictably.

    Glad your mom is enjoying helping you, and that it is mutually beneficial.

    I baited you with "twinkle toes" due to frustration over your refusal to back up your recent claim about Singer; and no, I don't buy the explanation that you cannot disclose any details.

    If a site gives you info then go corroborate it independently then tell us what you found.

    You claim Singer was involved in welfare fraud; should be easy enough to prove, if it happened.

    And no, having another member vouch for you is not good enough.
    What, Me Worry?

  14. #2214
    I'm allowing you the opportunity to see my credentials that you tried to "reason" away the same way that you do the life going on all around you. You and the other "AP's" talk big, but nothing ever comes of it. Not even when someone stands up to you with something that you decided to challenge me on (with the "math" of the short run).

    MC is always challenging others to a $10,000 bet he can't demonstrate or deliver on (because it has to be a sure thing for him). Then, why not a nominal bet of $1,000 that I can and will demonstrate. And you may choose any amount over that; or the group of you may split on the $1,000.

    Anyway, you have already libelled Singer about the food stamps, etc, so it matters not that you don't post up where you think you got your information about him. Those places just don't want any part of such lawsuits. Poor form on your part to claim, again, what you can't deliver. New meaning to the word beclownment?[/QUOTE]

    How long does the season last picking tomatoes in Mexico?
    Last edited by mickeycrimm; 05-19-2018 at 02:58 PM.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  15. #2215
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by MisterV View Post
    Twinkle toes has anger control issues.
    I shouldn't respond to this with the name calling, but I will. I don't think I have anger issues. Admittedly, I don't like being disrespected and treated unfairly by people I respect and like(d). And that is what Mike did. I was invited to participate at Wizard's site, by one of the mods, who I didn't really know, but sent me an email inviting me to participate. At that time I was only participating at 2 blackjack sites, BJ21.com and Qfit's newly started site, which was formed to fill the void after blackjackinfo shut down.

    So I joined WoV and began mostly only participating in blackjack and promotion discussions, but soon began enjoying other discussions as well. Almost immediately after I started to participate, I started being advised by members of the blackjack community to be careful, that Mike Shackleford was not to be trusted because of his involvement with Venetian. One of those that warned that the loudest was one Norm Wattenberger (QFIT) who publicly stated that was the reason, he did not participate at WoV.

    But I saw no evidence that Wizard's association with the casino industry was problematic. No evidence that he informed Venetian of AP info that he might have known or was even in a position to. (I can't say the same of other AP's turned traitor...Eliot). So I gave Mike the benefit of doubt and participated for 4 full years, participating in a positive manner, sharing my experiences, trying my best to make the site beneficial to all.

    So when my feud with QFIT came about and QFIT came to WoV (yeah the same QFIT that said he would never participate there because he didn't trust Shackleford) for the sole purpose of manipulating and bullying Mike to shut me down, yeah, I felt and continue to feel pretty disrespected and unfairly treated.

    There is a case to be made that Mike was put in a pretty bad bind, put in the middle by QFIT and didn't know how to handle it. But now 2 years later, That case can no longer be made. QFIT having stopped participating after he got what he wanted, makes it crystal clear, he was only there to use and manipulate Mike. And Mike not being able to acknowledge that even now, burns me even more.
    The guy is a "nut". "AP" material.
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  16. #2216
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Looks like you've taken to my identifying how you're a bum on food stamps & welfare to heart And really mickey....do you really think ANYBODY here doesn't believe you have an EBT card??
    Damn, Welfare Rob. Did you forget that I promised to pay you $10,000 if you could put up any evidence that I receive any kind of assistance from any government agency? Since you say you have proof go ahead and put it up. You have my permission and it will be an easy 10K for you.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  17. #2217
    Originally Posted by MisterV View Post
    You do have anger control issues; they come out on display occasionally on this board as well.

    For example, you'll get pissed / exasperated about something, "quit" the board and then come back; WTF is up with that, other than anger control issues?

    You insult forum members in a harsh manner, guys such as Singer and alan, for no reason other than personal satisfaction.

    Like a volcano you erupt unpredictably.

    Glad your mom is enjoying helping you, and that it is mutually beneficial.

    I baited you with "twinkle toes" due to frustration over your refusal to back up your recent claim about Singer; and no, I don't buy the explanation that you cannot disclose any details.

    If a site gives you info then go corroborate it independently then tell us what you found.

    You claim Singer was involved in welfare fraud; should be easy enough to prove, if it happened.

    And no, having another member vouch for you is not good enough.
    I don't have to prove anything concerning Welfare Rob. I did what I set out to do, make people aware of the fraud that this clown is. I did that. I exposed him. Anybody that wants to can look for themselves and some have. But what I really discovered is it doesn't even matter. Most sensible members probably if not knew of these details, find it not the least bit surprising. And to those that support (and enable) him, they refuse to believe even if they look for themselves.

    There is some liability on my part if I were to post said information, and you being an attorney (although you have never proved it, as is required on this site...lol) DAMN well know that. So just stop your baiting. It simply is not worth the risk and I weigh all decisions on a risk/reward scale.

    Besides that Welfare Rob now wants me to post this information. It took him a couple days, but he has his excuses for said actions all ready to go now.

    You are saying I have anger issues because I insult Singer and Alan? Good grief Charlie Brown. Singer has said the most vile things, not only about me, but recently about my partner who passed away. My partner didn't even participate here. Give me a break, I have every right to respond in a "harsh manner".

    And Alan, while he hasn't gone to the nasty extremes that Singer has, Alan has engaged in a year long campaign, since the day I joined attempting to discredit me. And he has been really sleazy about it behind the scenes. Everything that occurs between these two guys is schemed up behind the scenes. So Alan, is just as much to blame and I have every right to be "harsh" with him as well. Alan is an extremely dishonest human being. A shyster. He has proved that over and over, in incidents that didn't even involve me. Where you here for the redietz package incident? I don't know that you were. Go back and read it.

    Basically the incident went like this. Alan volunteered to mediate a situation between Singer and Redietz as to Redietz's credibility. Alan volunteered because he didn't thing Redietz had the "goods". Redietz, gathered all the paperwork (proof) and mailed in to Alan's office address that Alan provided. So after a few Days, Redietz asked if Alan received the package. Alan responded that he only got to the office one day a week. So a week went by. Again redietz inquired. Alan, then said, he only gets to the office once every two weeks. After two weeks Alan, claimed to only get to the office once a month. By this times others, including Dan Druff, where asking. Alan then changed his story to he only got to the office once every 3 months (once a quarter). At the 3 month mark, Alan informed us he no longer even had keys to his office and hadn't been able to coordinate a time, when his office manager was there. And finally after further inquiries, Alan announced he was retiring and would never be going back to the office. That is an example of Alan's shysterness and dishonesty.

    If you want another example, go back and read about Alan's actions after I stated that I track two tables, when the opportunity presents itself. Alan jumped up at 3am and ran out to ceasars and took blurry pictures of the next table in an attempt to show, that a player could not see the next table. It was pathetic. Alan is dishonest and a shyster scammer. He deserves every harsh comment he gets.

    As per "quitting the board", yes, I get frustrated with the sewer that this board is and at times, wonder why I bother....why anyone would bother. But the truth is, I don't have many options. I am banned at Qfit's blackjack site and WoV for the same issue that you are aware of. BJ21 is almost dead now, having been bought out by the same company that bought WoV. The AP's at BJ21, mostly rejected that and the site now has very little traffic. I don't have options, so I roll around in the mud here with the pigs and at times get frustrated and wonder why.

  18. #2218
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Looks like you've taken to my identifying how you're a bum on food stamps & welfare to heart And really mickey....do you really think ANYBODY here doesn't believe you have an EBT card??
    Damn, Welfare Rob. Did you forget that I promised to pay you $10,000 if you could put up any evidence that I receive any kind of assistance from any government agency? Since you say you have proof go ahead and put it up. You have my permission and it will be an easy 10K for you.
    I don't violate federal law mickey--I'd lose my 49-state concealed carry if I did. That's why I won't be posting it. Besides, anyone with a quarter of a brain can deduce that a two-bit bum who's never had a job and who's past's biggest claims include hitchhiking and jumping trains, lives off the government dole in his declining years. And even if your phony story of making "six figures a year gambling" were on the up & up, then with all your boasting about how you manipulate this and beat that system, you'd easily want to get food stamps since you easily qualify for them because you never file fax returns.

    You're an easy read mickey. Bums always are.

  19. #2219
    I kinda enjoy watching tippie toes jeep coming apart at the seams. He now seems to be down in the dumps because no forum likes him (whimper whimper....) and nobody believes his BS.

    May I suggest bedding down your driver? After all, someone as sick in the head as you are would never take notice!

  20. #2220
    [QUOTE=kewlJI don't have to prove anything concerning Welfare Rob. I did what I set out to do, make people aware of the fraud that this clown is. I did that. I exposed him. [/QUOTE]

    Really?

    Unless I missed something the only thing you said is that Singer committed welfare fraud.

    No information from you as to where or when the alleged fraud took place; this information should be disclosed by you.

    Where's the beef?

    How in all that's holy is some info / investigative website going to learn that you violated its terms of use by telling us about something you learned from the info site?

    Just don't post a link to the site; tell us when and where, and if available a court name and case number.

    Otherwise I think you should take a long walk on a short pier.

    Seriously dude: put up or shut up, end of story.
    What, Me Worry?

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