The WoV Thread

[Rob.Singer]

Oh mickey, stop trying to hide it. You claim you're the world's best "AP". So tell us---what AP savant such as you fancy yourself as, would pass up FREE FOOD STAMPS when, by your own admission, you clearly qualify for them? It would be the ultimate "advantage play", correct....a bum who has never worked, has no pension, has no income outside of "6 figures/yr. from gambling" which isn't reported and all of which comes via no W2G's, and has basically nothing in life.

You remain the perfect bozo for welfare.

Rob is likely correct here. Mickey could qualify for food stamps and welfare. I could probably qualify for some sort of assistance. Any AP could qualify for various assistance, because ours is a cash business. There is only one problem....it would be illegal. It's not an advantage play you moron, it is a crime! But just that fact that you think like that, clearly shows who YOU really are.

For you doubters, here is a little tidbit. How many times have you heard Rob Singer talk about how his RV and other possessions are in his daughter or other family members names. I am sure he has a story as to why he did this. But the truth is he was trying to skirt the welfare qualification process by putting assets in other peoples names.

STILL got caught though didn't you Rob. You must be the dumbest fuck on the planet.

You're like a wounded animal kew, which may just be another one of those bad "choices" perhaps?

Did you ever wonder why it is that you want to be anonymous on forums....why you're afraid to have your real name out there like I have since 2000? I expect you have a lot to hide, only just like mickey (who for some reason has no shame when it comes to announcing what a bum and loser in life he has always been) you show no remorse for making the sick choice of being afraid of women so you took the homo route.

As such, my life has always been an open book, and why would you think that is? Correct--because it's a normal life with family, plenty of retirement income, and a whole lot of knowledge to educate bazookas like you with.

For starters--and I wouldn't expect you or most others here to comprehend this--a person has to plan for their death. And in my case--which is also foreign to the majority here because it's mainly gamblers--I've got children and grandchildren. Should they have to wait for their inheritance which at my level would be heavily taxed, or is there a tax-free way of getting it to them today. That's why I bought the houses for them. And oh....it's all a result of having something called a good JOB in my career, and it has zero to do with my successful gambling.

The four cars, Harley, scooter and 2 RV's. All in our names. Our combined pensions and SS gives us just under $100k income/year. Plus there's gambling income of course, investment income, dividends, etc. etc. to go along with a couple of nice retirement savings accounts. Nothing not unlike what any hard working, long-married couple has accumulated in this country--again, something that would be very foreign to the majority of people on this forum. You guys must think I'm claiming I'm rich, I get it. But I'm not. Thus the Singer Derangement Syndrome.

Which gets us back to why I'm interested in seeing the origin of this food stamp fraud you said you uncovered. I'd like to know more about this, because I or my wife have never even applied for food stamps, ever. I could definitely see where the fraud would come into play if I got them--way too much income my entire life. Which is why it's positive that all you're doing by making this up is huffing and puffing at me as usual. But along the way you see you're also losing whatever credibility you thought you had with others by making excuses why you won't show the evidence.

So please do put it up--I release you from any and all liability. Same goes for your "driver"

[Keystone]

Oh mickey, stop trying to hide it. You claim you're the world's best "AP". So tell us---what AP savant such as you fancy yourself as, would pass up FREE FOOD STAMPS when, by your own admission, you clearly qualify for them? It would be the ultimate "advantage play", correct....a bum who has never worked, has no pension, has no income outside of "6 figures/yr. from gambling" which isn't reported and all of which comes via no W2G's, and has basically nothing in life.

You remain the perfect bozo for welfare.

Rob is likely correct here. Mickey could qualify for food stamps and welfare. I could probably qualify for some sort of assistance. Any AP could qualify for various assistance, because ours is a cash business. There is only one problem....it would be illegal. It's not an advantage play you moron, it is a crime! But just that fact that you think like that, clearly shows who YOU really are.

For you doubters, here is a little tidbit. How many times have you heard Rob Singer talk about how his RV and other possessions are in his daughter or other family members names. I am sure he has a story as to why he did this. But the truth is he was trying to skirt the welfare qualification process by putting assets in other peoples names.

STILL got caught though didn't you Rob. You must be the dumbest fuck on the planet.

More than likely, they have to sign for whatever he buys on credit because his own credit is so fucked up.....but putting "assets" in their name is definitely another way to put it, lol

[kewlJ]

Singer, or whatever alias you are using today: No one is contending that you didn't have the business career that you claim. Or at least I am not contending that. And that career should result in a healthy retirement plan. Good for you. If you weren't such a nasty, vile person, I would be happy for you.

The part of your "story" that is fraud and in contentation is the post 2000 era, of successful gambling by progressions and mathematically impossible techniques. It is my contention that yes, you accumulated a million dollars in payouts, but that cost you far more than that amount to do so. In other words, you lost more than you won.

I normally wouldn't ask anyone to do this, but since you are such an open book , I request you be held to the same standard that you demand from everyone else. Let's see those tax returns. Losses can't be claimed, but I strongly suspect every dollar of winning documented by paperwork is 'offset' by gambling losses as allowed by law, which would prove my point that you don not have a million or nine hundred thousand in actual winnings. So show proof. Show your tax returns. You certainly should be willing to demonstrate what you demand of everyone else.

Now let's just talk about this "open book" and "having your name out there". There is a reason why AP's must protect their identity. The very industry that we profit from is out to stop us from doing so. They spend a lot of money on technology and databases to do so. If in fact you made the kind of money you claim, regardless of whether you are an advantage player or just some person winning, the industry would have shut you down. Being and "open book" there is no way they would have allowed you to play. They allow you to play because YOU ARE NOT A WINNING PLAYER.

Now I personally don't care that you make up phony claims, building yourself up. That goes to your insecurities, same as your need to tear others down. But what is problematic for me is when these claims like that you have made a million dollars at negative EV 'gambling' using a progression system (which is mathematically impossible), become misleading to other players, who may get hurt by them. That just isn't fair and it has always been my contention that real successful players have not just a right, but a responsibility to call "bullshit" to such mathematically impossible nonsense.

So prove me wrong. Put up your tax returns. If you demand that kind of proof from others, then you certainly out to be willing to set the example.

[Bill Yung]

OK KJ, I'll waft a couple softballs.

When, and what city?

MrV, Take your baiting / trolling somewhere else. You are wasting your time with me.

Ah, ha! KJ goes out of his way to bring people to drive him around because no two or more adjacent casinos will take him, and he fears for his life. His mom took the job because she fears for his mental and physical well-being.

[kewlJ]

OK KJ, I'll waft a couple softballs.

When, and what city?

MrV, Take your baiting / trolling somewhere else. You are wasting your time with me.

Ah, ha! KJ goes out of his way to bring people to drive him around because no two or more adjacent casinos will take him, and he fears for his life. His mom took the job because she fears for his mental and physical well-being.

Why is this sockpuppet of a banned member allowed to continue to troll here?

Obviously Dan Druff, no longer gives a shit about this site, despite his claims and actions of just a few months ago. It is long past time for me to join the other's who have bailed on this hellhole. There is just no possibility of anything other than a troll convention for this site. Anyone wishing to contact me for whatever reason, please do so by email. I am un-bookmarking this page and will not even be returning to read.

[Rob.Singer]

Singer, or whatever alias you are using today: No one is contending that you didn't have the business career that you claim. Or at least I am not contending that. And that career should result in a healthy retirement plan. Good for you. If you weren't such a nasty, vile person, I would be happy for you.

The part of your "story" that is fraud and in contentation is the post 2000 era, of successful gambling by progressions and mathematically impossible techniques. It is my contention that yes, you accumulated a million dollars in payouts, but that cost you far more than that amount to do so. In other words, you lost more than you won.

I normally wouldn't ask anyone to do this, but since you are such an open book , I request you be held to the same standard that you demand from everyone else. Let's see those tax returns. Losses can't be claimed, but I strongly suspect every dollar of winning documented by paperwork is 'offset' by gambling losses as allowed by law, which would prove my point that you don not have a million or nine hundred thousand in actual winnings. So show proof. Show your tax returns. You certainly should be willing to demonstrate what you demand of everyone else.

Now let's just talk about this "open book" and "having your name out there". There is a reason why AP's must protect their identity. The very industry that we profit from is out to stop us from doing so. They spend a lot of money on technology and databases to do so. If in fact you made the kind of money you claim, regardless of whether you are an advantage player or just some person winning, the industry would have shut you down. Being and "open book" there is no way they would have allowed you to play. They allow you to play because YOU ARE NOT A WINNING PLAYER.

Now I personally don't care that you make up phony claims, building yourself up. That goes to your insecurities, same as your need to tear others down. But what is problematic for me is when these claims like that you have made a million dollars at negative EV 'gambling' using a progression system (which is mathematically impossible), become misleading to other players, who may get hurt by them. That just isn't fair and it has always been my contention that real successful players have not just a right, but a responsibility to call "bullshit" to such mathematically impossible nonsense.

So prove me wrong. Put up your tax returns. If you demand that kind of proof from others, then you certainly out to be willing to set the example.

Kew, Alan couldn't even get you to prove your 2 table counting claim and no one can get you to provide evidence of the food stamp fraud claim, and you ask ME to prove something?

I did however glean even more info from your post. Professional winning gamblers like you claim to be do not "offset gambling winnings with gambling losses" on Schedule C as Schedule A filers do. They offset gross income with business & operating expenses.

My pro career ended in 2009. Since then I'm just like most others--I file Schedule A and am a recreational player. You were griping about my not putting up W2G's or something with my pics. But that's exactly what I did here when I won $25k net in under 2 hours at SP on 25c thru $2 two years ago. I've continued to win since retiring and Alan always hits jackpots, and after a while people got so tired of having to look at the pics that the tax forms demands started. Once Alan did that I did it.

So get over your disbelief that I'm able to win on machines that are 99.9% or less. You're so blinded by the fact that 100.1% means "winner" and 99.9% means "loser" that you aren't able to comprehend how dumb you look. Tell me--since when does playing VP for 3 hours mean the outcome is gonna be significantly different whether it pays 5 credits more or 5 credits less for a full house? And if you're going to bring up the LoLN's again by claiming that winning in this scenario can't possibly occur on a regular basis, all you're doing is showing me that you never passed a course in Advanced Statistics.

Oops--I just read where you're bailing again and you won't be reading this (what are the odds....). Is mommy picking you up

[Bill Yung]

MrV, Take your baiting / trolling somewhere else. You are wasting your time with me.

Ah, ha! KJ goes out of his way to bring people to drive him around because no two or more adjacent casinos will take him, and he fears for his life. His mom took the job because she fears for his mental and physical well-being.

Why is this sockpuppet of a banned member allowed to continue to troll here?

Obviously Dan Druff, no longer gives a shit about this site, despite his claims and actions of just a few months ago. It is long past time for me to join the other's who have bailed on this hellhole. There is just no possibility of anything other than a troll convention for this site. Anyone wishing to contact me for whatever reason, please do so by email. I am un-bookmarking this page and will not even be returning to read.

You'll be back. If not here, then somewhere else. Just like all the other clowns that said they weren't going read anything that I write, anymore. RS is another big joke. "Oh, that guy. As soon as I see its his stuff, I stop reading it."

You're just like gr8player, the guy who just talked and talked one-track train until the final train wreck in which he killed himself.

[MisterV]

It is long past time for me to join the other's who have bailed on this hellhole. There is just no possibility of anything other than a troll convention for this site. Anyone wishing to contact me for whatever reason, please do so by email. I am un-bookmarking this page and will not even be returning to read.

Whoa, a bit of deja vu all over again; whatever.

KJ, you are weak; you relish dishing it out but you can't take it.

KJ, you are a liar: you can accuse but you can't prove it.

KJ, you aren't going anywhere: you're just another forum drama queen.

I suggest you have mama drive you to a Carhartt store: it's about time you wore some big boy pants.

Still and all, I am happy for you, as you've finally pronounced your intentions to extricate yourself from the internet swamp which has punked you repeatedly.

[mickeycrimm]

Oh mickey, stop trying to hide it. You claim you're the world's best "AP". So tell us---what AP savant such as you fancy yourself as, would pass up FREE FOOD STAMPS when, by your own admission, you clearly qualify for them? It would be the ultimate "advantage play", correct....a bum who has never worked, has no pension, has no income outside of "6 figures/yr. from gambling" which isn't reported and all of which comes via no W2G's, and has basically nothing in life.

You remain the perfect bozo for welfare.

Rob, will you quit with the "Oh Mickey" routine. You sound like the chicks I bang.

[mickeycrimm]

Oh mickey, stop trying to hide it. You claim you're the world's best "AP". So tell us---what AP savant such as you fancy yourself as, would pass up FREE FOOD STAMPS when, by your own admission, you clearly qualify for them? It would be the ultimate "advantage play", correct....a bum who has never worked, has no pension, has no income outside of "6 figures/yr. from gambling" which isn't reported and all of which comes via no W2G's, and has basically nothing in life.

You remain the perfect bozo for welfare.

Rob is likely correct here. Mickey could qualify for food stamps and welfare. I could probably qualify for some sort of assistance. Any AP could qualify for various assistance, because ours is a cash business. There is only one problem....it would be illegal. It's not an advantage play you moron, it is a crime! But just that fact that you think like that, clearly shows who YOU really are.

For you doubters, here is a little tidbit. How many times have you heard Rob Singer talk about how his RV and other possessions are in his daughter or other family members names. I am sure he has a story as to why he did this. But the truth is he was trying to skirt the welfare qualification process by putting assets in other peoples names.

STILL got caught though didn't you Rob. You must be the dumbest fuck on the planet.

You're like a wounded animal kew, which may just be another one of those bad "choices" perhaps?

Did you ever wonder why it is that you want to be anonymous on forums....why you're afraid to have your real name out there like I have since 2000? I expect you have a lot to hide, only just like mickey (who for some reason has no shame when it comes to announcing what a bum and loser in life he has always been) you show no remorse for making the sick choice of being afraid of women so you took the homo route.

As such, my life has always been an open book, and why would you think that is? Correct--because it's a normal life with family, plenty of retirement income, and a whole lot of knowledge to educate bazookas like you with.

For starters--and I wouldn't expect you or most others here to comprehend this--a person has to plan for their death. And in my case--which is also foreign to the majority here because it's mainly gamblers--I've got children and grandchildren. Should they have to wait for their inheritance which at my level would be heavily taxed, or is there a tax-free way of getting it to them today. That's why I bought the houses for them. And oh....it's all a result of having something called a good JOB in my career, and it has zero to do with my successful gambling.

The four cars, Harley, scooter and 2 RV's. All in our names. Our combined pensions and SS gives us just under $100k income/year. Plus there's gambling income of course, investment income, dividends, etc. etc. to go along with a couple of nice retirement savings accounts. Nothing not unlike what any hard working, long-married couple has accumulated in this country--again, something that would be very foreign to the majority of people on this forum. You guys must think I'm claiming I'm rich, I get it. But I'm not. Thus the Singer Derangement Syndrome.

Which gets us back to why I'm interested in seeing the origin of this food stamp fraud you said you uncovered. I'd like to know more about this, because I or my wife have never even applied for food stamps, ever. I could definitely see where the fraud would come into play if I got them--way too much income my entire life. Which is why it's positive that all you're doing by making this up is huffing and puffing at me as usual. But along the way you see you're also losing whatever credibility you thought you had with others by making excuses why you won't show the evidence.

So please do put it up--I release you from any and all liability. Same goes for your "driver"

So you are still claiming making big money at vp these days even though you don't play higher than $2? Interesting.

[mickeycrimm]

KJ is right. This site is a pile of shit now. The confederacy of dunces has won out. The dunces ask gambling questions of the AP's. The AP's give serious answers. Then the dunces mock the AP's. It's amazing how stupid the dunces really are. They are mocking it but they are the ones with the lame brains. Just totally fucking stupid. I quit making any kind of meaningful content on this forum a few weeks back because of the dunces. It's a shit site plain and simple. So you dunces just go ahead and troll the shit out of each other. No one with any self respect will join this forum in the future. You dunces are stuck with yourselves. So enjoy your shithole.

I'm doing more and more on Twitter now. A lot of meaningful information being exchanged between AP's. Anyone fucks with me there I block them and they can't read me.

[MisterV]

I'm doing more and more on Twitter now.

[Rob.Singer]

Rob is likely correct here. Mickey could qualify for food stamps and welfare. I could probably qualify for some sort of assistance. Any AP could qualify for various assistance, because ours is a cash business. There is only one problem....it would be illegal. It's not an advantage play you moron, it is a crime! But just that fact that you think like that, clearly shows who YOU really are.

For you doubters, here is a little tidbit. How many times have you heard Rob Singer talk about how his RV and other possessions are in his daughter or other family members names. I am sure he has a story as to why he did this. But the truth is he was trying to skirt the welfare qualification process by putting assets in other peoples names.

STILL got caught though didn't you Rob. You must be the dumbest fuck on the planet.

You're like a wounded animal kew, which may just be another one of those bad "choices" perhaps?

Did you ever wonder why it is that you want to be anonymous on forums....why you're afraid to have your real name out there like I have since 2000? I expect you have a lot to hide, only just like mickey (who for some reason has no shame when it comes to announcing what a bum and loser in life he has always been) you show no remorse for making the sick choice of being afraid of women so you took the homo route.

As such, my life has always been an open book, and why would you think that is? Correct--because it's a normal life with family, plenty of retirement income, and a whole lot of knowledge to educate bazookas like you with.

For starters--and I wouldn't expect you or most others here to comprehend this--a person has to plan for their death. And in my case--which is also foreign to the majority here because it's mainly gamblers--I've got children and grandchildren. Should they have to wait for their inheritance which at my level would be heavily taxed, or is there a tax-free way of getting it to them today. That's why I bought the houses for them. And oh....it's all a result of having something called a good JOB in my career, and it has zero to do with my successful gambling.

The four cars, Harley, scooter and 2 RV's. All in our names. Our combined pensions and SS gives us just under $100k income/year. Plus there's gambling income of course, investment income, dividends, etc. etc. to go along with a couple of nice retirement savings accounts. Nothing not unlike what any hard working, long-married couple has accumulated in this country--again, something that would be very foreign to the majority of people on this forum. You guys must think I'm claiming I'm rich, I get it. But I'm not. Thus the Singer Derangement Syndrome.

Which gets us back to why I'm interested in seeing the origin of this food stamp fraud you said you uncovered. I'd like to know more about this, because I or my wife have never even applied for food stamps, ever. I could definitely see where the fraud would come into play if I got them--way too much income my entire life. Which is why it's positive that all you're doing by making this up is huffing and puffing at me as usual. But along the way you see you're also losing whatever credibility you thought you had with others by making excuses why you won't show the evidence.

So please do put it up--I release you from any and all liability. Same goes for your "driver"

So you are still claiming making big money at vp these days even though you don't play higher than $2? Interesting.

That's the liberal spin. I said I have gambling income. And as also stated, my yearly avg. is going down each year since 2009, since I hit 3 very large winners 2011-2012, which shortly afterwards is when I stopped playing above $2 games.

[Rob.Singer]

KJ is right. This site is a pile of shit now. The confederacy of dunces has won out. The dunces ask gambling questions of the AP's. The AP's give serious answers. Then the dunces mock the AP's. It's amazing how stupid the dunces really are. They are mocking it but they are the ones with the lame brains. Just totally fucking stupid. I quit making any kind of meaningful content on this forum a few weeks back because of the dunces. It's a shit site plain and simple. So you dunces just go ahead and troll the shit out of each other. No one with any self respect will join this forum in the future. You dunces are stuck with yourselves. So enjoy your shithole.

I'm doing more and more on Twitter now. A lot of meaningful information being exchanged between AP's. Anyone fucks with me there I block them and they can't read me.

You're funnier than the NFL's butt-pick. It's like you almost can't live with yourself without this gambling stuff. Oh WAIT!!....mickeycrimm has NOTHING ELSE in life!

[Bill Yung]

I'm doing more and more on Twitter now.

The question is: Why do "more and more" of whatever it is you, MC, are doing here anywhere? Why do all the "AP's" have to be self-accredited "teachers" at the same time. What's up with that internal monologue or narrative? Practice for talking to themselves in bed or at the casinos? Tie this in with the flagging Wizard's new Academy shtick. Could be the gateway drug staying an "AP".

It's funny how the "AP's" find these sorts of places to be too unsavory or hostile when their "internal clocks" are messed with with simple questions about what they, themselves, have revealed. I mean, where do you go after you talk about your mother driving you around to the casinos? How can that end well? I can say that KJ will, in all likelihood, still be lamenting his treatment by Wizard and Qfit, for the remainder of his life. Those same stories at length over and over. It's a killer, and a shame when others become mired in it, even if they are only trying to help. A destroyer of life. Not a teacher.

[mickeycrimm]

I'm doing more and more on Twitter now.

The question is: Why do "more and more" of whatever it is you, MC, are doing here anywhere? Why do all the "AP's" have to be self-accredited "teachers" at the same time. What's up with that internal monologue or narrative? Practice for talking to themselves in bed or at the casinos? Tie this in with the flagging Wizard's new Academy shtick. Could be the gateway drug staying an "AP".

It's funny how the "AP's" find these sorts of places to be too unsavory or hostile when their "internal clocks" are messed with with simple questions about what they, themselves, have revealed. I mean, where do you go after you talk about your mother driving you around to the casinos? How can that end well? I can say that KJ will, in all likelihood, still be lamenting his treatment by Wizard and Qfit, for the remainder of his life. Those same stories at length over and over. It's a killer, and a shame when others become mired in it, even if they are only trying to help. A destroyer of life. Not a teacher.

You fucking idiot assclown. Anyone with any kind of smarts knows the benefit of having a driver. You dont have to fuck with parking and the long walk in and out. That means more time in action. You dunces are nothing but stupid ass bitches.

[MisterV]

I've said it before, I'll say it again: for all but long hauls, use Uber or Lyft.

Having a driver in your employment is the same as having a chauffeur; you have to pay taxes to the state and Feds on their behalf the whole time they are waiting for you, the AP, to leave the casino and either jaunt off to another one or go home.

Pretty damned expensive, unless you can somehow fuck them over financially: you know, make them work off the books, pay no taxes on their behalf, pay them less than minimum wage.

It's a true advantage play if your mother is your driver: you can really take advantage of her and rake her over the coals, because she "loves you."

Sort of gives new meaning to the term "mother fucker."

[MaxPen]

And Mr. V surfaces in the toilet bowl that this site is.

[AxelWolf]

Oh mickey, stop trying to hide it. You claim you're the world's best "AP". So tell us---what AP savant such as you fancy yourself as, would pass up FREE FOOD STAMPS when, by your own admission, you clearly qualify for them? It would be the ultimate "advantage play", correct....a bum who has never worked, has no pension, has no income outside of "6 figures/yr. from gambling" which isn't reported and all of which comes via no W2G's, and has basically nothing in life.

You remain the perfect bozo for welfare.

Rob, will you quit with the "Oh Mickey" routine. You sound like the chicks I bang.

Lets hope they don't look like him too (-;

[AxelWolf]

And Mr. V surfaces in the toilet bowl that this site is.

Why are you trying to give rats a bad name?