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  1. #2921
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Please give me an example of "alternative math." Thank you.
    1 in 6 on the "two dice problem."
    No. That was a problem involving English comprehension and perspective of the reader. But you'll never admit that.

    I'm looking for a true example of alternative math... whatever that's supposed to be. Perhaps I should rephrase the question. What is alternative math?

  2. #2922
    Originally Posted by MisterV View Post
    alan's "18 yo's in a row" takes normal math and stretches it beyond the breaking point.

    Not just "alternative math:" it's "alien math."


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    No. It's the same math you use. You count 1, 2, 3, 4....

  3. #2923
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Please give me an example of "alternative math." Thank you.
    1 in 6 on the "two dice problem."
    No. That was a problem involving English comprehension and perspective of the reader. But you'll never admit that.

    I'm looking for a true example of alternative math... whatever that's supposed to be. Perhaps I should rephrase the question. What is alternative math?
    The answer to the two dice problem, AS THE QUESTION WAS ORIGINALLY ASKED , is 1 in 11. Your "alternative math" says it's 1 in 6. Actually, 'alternative math" is to good a term for your answer. It's completely false bogus voodoo math. This "english compehension" you are trying to muddy up the issue with is YOUR problem. The answer to the question AS IT WAS ORIGINALLY ASKED is 1 in 11. Every college math professor in the world will give that answer. Only YOU and some of the others in the confederacy of dunces will give the 1 in 6 answer. That's because you guys are math challenged.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  4. #2924
    Mickeycrimm please don't go there again. The question was improperly worded to yield the 1/11 answer.

    Now let me be more specific. Rob Singer is accused of using "alternative math" and I am asking for an example of his alternative math. Please give me one.

  5. #2925
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Please give me an example of "alternative math." Thank you.
    1 in 6 on the "two dice problem."
    No. That was a problem involving English comprehension and perspective of the reader. But you'll never admit that.

    I'm looking for a true example of alternative math... whatever that's supposed to be. Perhaps I should rephrase the question. What is alternative math?
    Didn’t you quit thus forum? It’s a miracle you are back!

    You staying away was about the same chance of you paying your kid, Singer having a 9 1/2 cock, your kid hitting 2 Royals in a weekend and still losing, and you seeing 18 Yo’s In a row.

    All Bullshit that never happened or will happen.

    Of more interest to any of us who lose everything and end up like you is how does Holidays like New Years falling on the 1st affect you getting your monthly “Fix”? Assuming since it’s the government, your check will be direct deposited tomorrow, therefore it won’t even make it to the 1st.

    I wonder how Stations accounting is affected by not getting income from you in January?

    True waste of hard working taxpayers dollars, Alan, true waste.

  6. #2926
    Originally Posted by coach belly View Post
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    a person starts intentionally misleading other members and players with alternative math and facts and likely for some kind of profit or benefit
    Who has done this, and how have they profitted or benefitted?
    I know you want to make it about one singular person, but I wasn't specifically talking about one singular person. There was a similar situation to what you are referring to on a blackjack site several years ago.


    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Please give me an example of "alternative math." Thank you.
    Alan, I wish you no harm, but I will no longer engage in your silly troll games. Whether you are the stupidest person on this forum or pretend to be the stupidest person on this forum no longer matters to me. I am not playing. Perhaps others will continue to play your games. But Happy New Year to you.

  7. #2927
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post

    I know you want to make it about one singular person, but I wasn't specifically talking about one singular person. There was a similar situation to what you are referring to on a blackjack site several years ago.


    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Please give me an example of "alternative math." Thank you.
    Alan, I wish you no harm, but I will no longer engage in your silly troll games. Whether you are the stupidest person on this forum or pretend to be the stupidest person on this forum no longer matters to me. I am not playing. Perhaps others will continue to play your games. But Happy New Year to you.
    Another safe bet, you will continue to get frustrated by the garbage Alan posts. It pisses off you, me and anyone with common sense that this guy continues to exist in the world. Spewing garbage day after day. Which is exactly why containing Singer to one thread won’t work. The world, including forum worlds is filled with idiots like Alan and Singer and always will be.

    Bigger question is what do you, KJ, want out of a forum? Face it, you will never find a group of people on a forum that think and share the same things you expect out of one. Always going to be trolls, idiots and people who will claim to beat math at every turn.

    Only options are to start your own forum (See Face/Fisk) and ban anyone who disagrees , or accept it. But I know you don’t want to be like the people who have banned you, so this is what we get.

    Happy New Year KJ, you’re one of the good dudes out there.

  8. #2928
    Kewlj you were the one who used the term "alternative math." What is it? Give me an example.

    Is that really so difficult?

  9. #2929
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Kewlj you were the one who used the term "alternative math." What is it? Give me an example.

    Is that really so difficult?
    Ok Alan, I will give you an example: 18 y.o.'s in a row.

  10. #2930
    Originally Posted by The Boz View Post
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post

    I know you want to make it about one singular person, but I wasn't specifically talking about one singular person. There was a similar situation to what you are referring to on a blackjack site several years ago.


    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Please give me an example of "alternative math." Thank you.
    Alan, I wish you no harm, but I will no longer engage in your silly troll games. Whether you are the stupidest person on this forum or pretend to be the stupidest person on this forum no longer matters to me. I am not playing. Perhaps others will continue to play your games. But Happy New Year to you.
    Another safe bet, you will continue to get frustrated by the garbage Alan posts. It pisses off you, me and anyone with common sense that this guy continues to exist in the world. Spewing garbage day after day. Which is exactly why containing Singer to one thread won’t work. The world, including forum worlds is filled with idiots like Alan and Singer and always will be.

    Bigger question is what do you, KJ, want out of a forum? Face it, you will never find a group of people on a forum that think and share the same things you expect out of one. Always going to be trolls, idiots and people who will claim to beat math at every turn.

    Only options are to start your own forum (See Face/Fisk) and ban anyone who disagrees , or accept it. But I know you don’t want to be like the people who have banned you, so this is what we get.

    Happy New Year KJ, you’re one of the good dudes out there.
    Thanks Boz. You are alright in my book too. I am not crazy about all your politics that I read, but that's ok. That's what makes the world go round.

    Here's the thing Boz. On the blackjack forum, I only posted about blackjack. And most of the discussion was about....blackjack (surprise). Lots of different opinions. Lots of different methods and players using different approaches. But when someone came along making ridiculous claims like a 5% advantage card counting using a super duper count, yeah, I don't like it. That can't be done. That is unicorn shit. 18 y.o's in a row shit. Mathematically impossible. I called it out, as did others and the result was I was banned. And I have since been proven right as one of the great math guys Don Schlesinger eventually called this nut job out (and continues to fairly regularly). Same thing I said 4 years ago.


    Now WoV, was probably the forum that I enjoyed the most. I got to talk a little blackjack, share some of my experiences. I also got to occasionally learn a bit from some of the tight lipped machine players. And I got to talk a little sports and even occasionally politics that I sometimes enjoy. 4+ years, 3200+ posts. I didn't engage with the trolls very often. Was suspended one time for 3 days for calling EvenBob a jackass. (was I wrong? )

    It still stings that someone came to the site (WoV), who didn't participate there, didn't intend to participate there and as a matter of fact had publicly stated he wouldn't participate there because he didn't trust Shackleford, and was able to demand and manipulate Mike to get rid of me. And then presto...the guy disappears again. I think he made 3 posts in 2018. I mean what the fuck?

    But Happy 2019 Boz.

  11. #2931
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Kewlj you were the one who used the term "alternative math." What is it? Give me an example.

    Is that really so difficult?
    I guess we shouldn't call it "alternative math" since guys like Singer have no math to back up their claims. Just crackpot theories and claims that they can beat -EV games year after years over millions of hands. To make things worst, they use alternative strategies.

  12. #2932
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Kewlj you were the one who used the term "alternative math." What is it? Give me an example.

    Is that really so difficult?
    Ok Alan, I will give you an example: 18 y.o.'s in a row.
    Sorry. Counting 1, 2, 3, 4... is not alternative math.

    Let me ask you, kewlj. Do you use alternative English?

  13. #2933
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    There was a similar situation to what you are referring to on a blackjack site several years ago.
    What I am referring to is what you wrote...

    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    when a person starts intentionally misleading other members and players with alternative math and facts and likely for some kind of profit or benefit
    Who are you referring to, and how did they profit or benefit?

    You were referring to an incident on another site from several years ago?

    Bullshit you were.

    Originally Posted by The Boz View Post
    Didn’t you quit thus forum?

  14. #2934
    KJ, my only suggestion is to do everything you can to make this your new WoV. I know you don’t have all the posters here to engage in all the things you loved about WoV.

    As much as I disagree with Dan on some things, I agree with the theory that if enough good people post good stuff, others will follow. Think about the people you enjoyed engaging with over there and provide content that will attract others of like mind.

    Dan won’t ban the Singers and Alan’s of the world but with enough quality voices, they will be drowned out.

    I see many quality posters here, some I disagree with personally, but provide good information. Depending on your perspective, Monet, Mickey of course and others, along with many of the Caesars posters have provided more info than anyone on WoV in years.

    I get the way you feel about how you were fucked over there, but you survived. Make this place a better one. It’s time to get over your banning, and move on. Or don’t, it’s still interesting reading. And yea, you got fucked by Norm. But so Billryan by life. Had to throw that in there!������

  15. #2935
    Looks like MaxPen, a member in good standing here in Wizard terms, upset AMS and Billy boy. Threatening their entitlement to free shit always scares Billy. And AMS still thinks people care he is Gay.

    A simple search of Billy’s records would show will he proudly served this country, every other venture he has ever been involved with failed. Or he hid all the profits and is a tax cheat. Which is it Billy?

    You are always to join here. Plenty of “friends” here. Of course you wouldn’t have the liberal protections here you get at WoV. And you would have to defend yourself which again is probably not possible.

    Anyone using him as a drone willing to invite him?

  16. #2936
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    But when someone came along making ridiculous claims like a 5% advantage card counting using a super duper count, yeah, I don't like it. That can't be done. That is unicorn shit. 18 y.o's in a row shit. Mathematically impossible. I called it out.
    How about the ridiculous claim of a card-counter counting cards for 15 years undetected by enough casinos to withdraw well over a million dollars in Las Vegas of all places? Then claiming to be training his brother who lives with him which could only mean doubling their income.

    I’m not saying the claim is unicorn shit, or mathematically impossible. I’m saying just plain old obvious simple BULLSHIT. There really is no difference

  17. #2937
    Originally Posted by blackhole View Post
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    But when someone came along making ridiculous claims like a 5% advantage card counting using a super duper count, yeah, I don't like it. That can't be done. That is unicorn shit. 18 y.o's in a row shit. Mathematically impossible. I called it out.
    How about the ridiculous claim of a card-counter counting cards for 15 years undetected by enough casinos to withdraw well over a million dollars in Las Vegas of all places? Then claiming to be training his brother who lives with him which could only mean doubling their income.

    I’m not saying the claim is unicorn shit, or mathematically impossible. I’m saying just plain old obvious simple BULLSHIT. There really is no difference

    Welcome back stupid fuck. Assuming you addressed your cheating Son in Law over the Holidays.

    Show me once where KJ said his brother would double his income. He understands the life he lives will be harder, if not impossible over the next 10 years. No thanks to people like ZK as a lunatic and plops like you willing to play regardless of rules.

    So yea, you are contributing to people like KJ losing their livelihood. I guess you see it as leveling the field for lifetime losers like you. Screw anyone (actually everyone) smarter than you.

    After all by your own admission you came looking to see why you lose on every casino trip.

  18. #2938
    Originally Posted by blackhole View Post
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    But when someone came along making ridiculous claims like a 5% advantage card counting using a super duper count, yeah, I don't like it. That can't be done. That is unicorn shit. 18 y.o's in a row shit. Mathematically impossible. I called it out.
    How about the ridiculous claim of a card-counter counting cards for 15 years undetected by enough casinos to withdraw well over a million dollars in Las Vegas of all places? Then claiming to be training his brother who lives with him which could only mean doubling their income.

    I’m not saying the claim is unicorn shit, or mathematically impossible. I’m saying just plain old obvious simple BULLSHIT. There really is no difference
    I am fine with this Blackhole. You can choose to believe whatever you like. But at least everything I claim is mathematically possible. I know it is mathematically possible because it is true. If you want to believe it is not, that's ok. That's your choice. Just like you can believe the earth is flat and believe in the easter bunny.

    And BTW, we both know that you choosing not to believe is based on your dislike of me. So you don't want to believe, you refuse to believe the truth. And that's ok too.

  19. #2939
    Originally Posted by The Boz View Post
    Originally Posted by blackhole View Post
    How about the ridiculous claim of a card-counter counting cards for 15 years undetected by enough casinos to withdraw well over a million dollars in Las Vegas of all places? Then claiming to be training his brother who lives with him which could only mean doubling their income.

    I’m not saying the claim is unicorn shit, or mathematically impossible. I’m saying just plain old obvious simple BULLSHIT. There really is no difference

    Welcome back stupid fuck. Assuming you addressed your cheating Son in Law over the Holidays.

    Show me once where KJ said his brother would double his income.
    Maybe for the New Years you should try not talking out of your stupidly fucked ass. Not having any son in laws confirms just endless stinking shit shooting out of your fucked ass.

    I said -"Then claiming to be training his brother who lives with him which could only mean doubling their income." How you get KJ said his brother would double his income from my quote only is another confirmation that not only do you have a fucked ass, it's a stupid fucked ass. Happy New Year

  20. #2940
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Mickeycrimm please don't go there again. The question was improperly worded to yield the 1/11 answer.

    Now let me be more specific. Rob Singer is accused of using "alternative math" and I am asking for an example of his alternative math. Please give me one.
    HAHAHAHA!!!! Improperly worded? HAHAHAHAHAHA!!! NO, you applied IMPROPER MATH, better known as ALTERNATIVE MATH, to it.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

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