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  1. #301
    Your wrong Maxpen... it's pretty sick what can be done running suckers through that UX gauntlet and having your partner sweep up the multipliers. I don't bother with that hustle but I've seen it and heard some interesting stories about it. If your slick enough it's a huge profit.

    Anyways it doesn't really matter... you guys want to shout from the mountain tops about how good and moral you are in a corrupt world, country, Casino... that's fine. I expect it. Only the Pentecostals are worse than the poker players and APs who think they are living in some moral or honorable trade or fashion. Just look at how many of you are currently bashing ZenKing on WoV! Actually... I text ZenKing from time to time. I apologized to him about jumping on the dogpile against him a good year on that site. I personally think ZenKing is a lot like many real life gamblers in Vegas. I hear them crying everyday like some of his posts. Anyone who says that emotions aren't part of AP are lying. I, myself am very good at taking large downswings without blinking but at times I hear the crack of the pool ball break like Eddie Felson in the Hustler after losing his bankroll. No human alive can not have some emotions with this day to day grind. I tend to think ZK is doing better than his rants. Either way I have more respect for him compared to many other WoVers.

    Lastly... this site is great! I have to commend the leaders!! You can call someone a piece of dung and that's ok... and that is ok because real men can take that type of abuse and shake it off. Over here you can tell someone to GFY and we just keep plugging along with no bans or hurt girlie feelings like over at WoV.

    The truth is that not too many people can refute what I post about in general. Sure, they can lash out and call me names or try to exert their moral dominance but they can't refute the edges or information I talk about. They cant refute that I actually help gamblers, bums and credit trolls. I actually don't look down on hookers or con men. We're all in this Titantic together getting ready to drown. When it is over I hope you moral APs get the best of it in the next life. Those are the real APs. The APs who lock up the win after the short time here on Earth are the real winners!

  2. #302
    I hear Nick the Sick is operating in California these days.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  3. #303
    Originally Posted by MisterV View Post
    There may be more powerful math wizards, point taken, but his WoO site has been of benefit to the gambling public.
    That's another good question that won't be asked. Not that asking it at the "Wizard's" would lead to truthful answers, anyway.
    78255585899=317*13723*17989=(310+7)*[(13730-7)*(100*100+7979+10)]-->LOVE avatar@137_371_179_791, or 137_371_17[3^2]_7[3^2]1, 1=V-->Ace, low. 78255585899-->99858555287=(99858555288-1)=[-1+(72*2227)*(722777-100000)]={-1+(72*2227)*[(2000+700777+20000)-100000]}-->1_722_227_277_772_1. 7×8×2×5×5×5×8×5×8×9×9=362880000=(1000000000-6√97020000-100000)-->169_721. (7/8×2/5×5/5×8/5×8/9×9)={[(-.1+.9)]^2×(6+1)}-->1961=√4*2.24; (1/7×8/2×5/5×5/8×5/8×9/9)={1/[7×(-.2+1)^2]}-->1721=[(10*10/4)/(√4+110)].

  4. #304
    Originally Posted by mcap View Post
    Lol at bringing up Jacobsen as someone better. Very few people who have much of a clue on either side of the table have much respect for him or his “work” of regurgitating and verifying others work. Only helpful for the clueless, who mostly don’t care anyway.
    Jacobson is a doctorate in math number theorist. How is that even comparable to a failed actuary or "glorified bean counter"? He bent over backward to correct literally everything the "Wizard" commented to math on in the forum, which isn't even close to something scientifically sensible.

    Are we "all" going to start talking about anecdotal stories from college about half the class flunking out because of an organic chemistry course to make "big" of also actuarial science? Gamblers have so little math and other science background that they are easily fooled by the ones with a bit. The same phenomenon as Mendelson believing in 18 yo's and roulette dealers who spin numbers at will. People not even smart enough in some other area to know that it's not so simple.
    Last edited by Bill Yung; 02-18-2018 at 08:21 AM.
    78255585899=317*13723*17989=(310+7)*[(13730-7)*(100*100+7979+10)]-->LOVE avatar@137_371_179_791, or 137_371_17[3^2]_7[3^2]1, 1=V-->Ace, low. 78255585899-->99858555287=(99858555288-1)=[-1+(72*2227)*(722777-100000)]={-1+(72*2227)*[(2000+700777+20000)-100000]}-->1_722_227_277_772_1. 7×8×2×5×5×5×8×5×8×9×9=362880000=(1000000000-6√97020000-100000)-->169_721. (7/8×2/5×5/5×8/5×8/9×9)={[(-.1+.9)]^2×(6+1)}-->1961=√4*2.24; (1/7×8/2×5/5×5/8×5/8×9/9)={1/[7×(-.2+1)^2]}-->1721=[(10*10/4)/(√4+110)].

  5. #305
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    I've already been on stackexchange and even got one of those guys to post up here.
    You should've had him/her comment on the the "Wizard's" stuff in general. What are you afraid of? Hurting someone's feelings? The real deal wizards are the ones who would never call themselves that. The fake ones are the ones with gambling followers who can't face up to this. The ones who can give up, say, the bottle, but still not lose the anger inside.

    It doesn't matter to me, because I realize that the "Wizard" will never be more than someone's booby prize. Nothing to hold your breath for.
    Last edited by Bill Yung; 02-18-2018 at 08:24 AM.
    78255585899=317*13723*17989=(310+7)*[(13730-7)*(100*100+7979+10)]-->LOVE avatar@137_371_179_791, or 137_371_17[3^2]_7[3^2]1, 1=V-->Ace, low. 78255585899-->99858555287=(99858555288-1)=[-1+(72*2227)*(722777-100000)]={-1+(72*2227)*[(2000+700777+20000)-100000]}-->1_722_227_277_772_1. 7×8×2×5×5×5×8×5×8×9×9=362880000=(1000000000-6√97020000-100000)-->169_721. (7/8×2/5×5/5×8/5×8/9×9)={[(-.1+.9)]^2×(6+1)}-->1961=√4*2.24; (1/7×8/2×5/5×5/8×5/8×9/9)={1/[7×(-.2+1)^2]}-->1721=[(10*10/4)/(√4+110)].

  6. #306
    Originally Posted by monet View Post
    Those are the real APs. The APs who lock up the win after the short time here on Earth are the real winners!
    Yes, of course. Not the insecure persons who post on internet forums.
    78255585899=317*13723*17989=(310+7)*[(13730-7)*(100*100+7979+10)]-->LOVE avatar@137_371_179_791, or 137_371_17[3^2]_7[3^2]1, 1=V-->Ace, low. 78255585899-->99858555287=(99858555288-1)=[-1+(72*2227)*(722777-100000)]={-1+(72*2227)*[(2000+700777+20000)-100000]}-->1_722_227_277_772_1. 7×8×2×5×5×5×8×5×8×9×9=362880000=(1000000000-6√97020000-100000)-->169_721. (7/8×2/5×5/5×8/5×8/9×9)={[(-.1+.9)]^2×(6+1)}-->1961=√4*2.24; (1/7×8/2×5/5×5/8×5/8×9/9)={1/[7×(-.2+1)^2]}-->1721=[(10*10/4)/(√4+110)].

  7. #307
    How many marks do you think a creator could get to load up $100 worth of multipliers in a day. How many before him and his partner have to move stores? I have yet to run across a creator. Going to have some fun when I do.

  8. #308
    Originally Posted by Bill Yung View Post
    Originally Posted by mcap View Post
    Lol at bringing up Jacobsen as someone better. Very few people who have much of a clue on either side of the table have much respect for him or his “work” of regurgitating and verifying others work. Only helpful for the clueless, who mostly don’t care anyway.
    Jacobson is a doctorate in math number theorist. How is that even comparable to a failed actuary or "glorified bean counter"? He bent over backward to correct literally everything the "Wizard" commented to math on in the forum, which isn't even close to something scientifically sensible.

    Are we "all" going to start talking about anecdotal stories from college about half the class flunking out because of an organic chemistry course to make "big" of also actuarial science? Gamblers have so little math and other science background that they are easily fooled by the ones with a bit. The same phenomenon as Mendelson believing in 18 yo's and roulette dealers who spin numbers at will. People not even smart enough in some other area to know that it's not so simple.
    Jacobson is one of your favorite kind of people, a failed AP. Everything in Advanced Advantage Play he learned from Grosjean, someone that applies gambling math successfully. Jacobson doesn't have that ability. He ripped Grosjean off in the book to try to cash and in before he got to old. He damn sure couldn't do it in gambling.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  9. #309
    Originally Posted by Bill Yung View Post
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    I've already been on stackexchange and even got one of those guys to post up here.
    You should've had him/her comment on the the "Wizard's" stuff in general. What are you afraid of? Hurting someone's feelings? The real deal wizards are the ones who would never call themselves that. The fake ones are the ones with gambling followers who can't face up to this. The ones who can give up, say, the bottle, but still not lose the anger inside.

    It doesn't matter to me, because I realize that the "Wizard" will never be more than someone's booby prize. Nothing to hold your breath for.
    Well, you didn't have to ask the mathematician what he thinks of Shackleford. The mathematician is long gone. Right?
    78255585899=317*13723*17989=(310+7)*[(13730-7)*(100*100+7979+10)]-->LOVE avatar@137_371_179_791, or 137_371_17[3^2]_7[3^2]1, 1=V-->Ace, low. 78255585899-->99858555287=(99858555288-1)=[-1+(72*2227)*(722777-100000)]={-1+(72*2227)*[(2000+700777+20000)-100000]}-->1_722_227_277_772_1. 7×8×2×5×5×5×8×5×8×9×9=362880000=(1000000000-6√97020000-100000)-->169_721. (7/8×2/5×5/5×8/5×8/9×9)={[(-.1+.9)]^2×(6+1)}-->1961=√4*2.24; (1/7×8/2×5/5×5/8×5/8×9/9)={1/[7×(-.2+1)^2]}-->1721=[(10*10/4)/(√4+110)].

  10. #310
    Originally Posted by MaxPen View Post
    How many marks do you think a creator could get to load up $100 worth of multipliers in a day. How many before him and his partner have to move stores? I have yet to run across a creator. Going to have some fun when I do.
    Dominick, better known as Nick the Sick, lost the whole state of Nevada. That's why he's in California. You won't get to work him if you ever run into him. He works little old ladies.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  11. #311
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Jacobson is one of your favorite kind of people, a failed AP. Everything in Advanced Advantage Play he learned from Grosjean, someone that applies gambling math successfully. Jacobson doesn't have that ability. He ripped Grosjean off in the book to try to cash and in before he got to old. He damn sure couldn't do it in gambling.
    I guess that the proper analogy here is to a crack dealer. The guy who makes it uses chemistry, but he definitely isn't a chemist. The gist of AP's who think they are some sort of professional. Another form of delusion to satisfy their habits.
    78255585899=317*13723*17989=(310+7)*[(13730-7)*(100*100+7979+10)]-->LOVE avatar@137_371_179_791, or 137_371_17[3^2]_7[3^2]1, 1=V-->Ace, low. 78255585899-->99858555287=(99858555288-1)=[-1+(72*2227)*(722777-100000)]={-1+(72*2227)*[(2000+700777+20000)-100000]}-->1_722_227_277_772_1. 7×8×2×5×5×5×8×5×8×9×9=362880000=(1000000000-6√97020000-100000)-->169_721. (7/8×2/5×5/5×8/5×8/9×9)={[(-.1+.9)]^2×(6+1)}-->1961=√4*2.24; (1/7×8/2×5/5×5/8×5/8×9/9)={1/[7×(-.2+1)^2]}-->1721=[(10*10/4)/(√4+110)].

  12. #312
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    methinks thou dost protest too much.
    Care to wager? Name your price. And I will expect an apology as well. I think I can get Munchkin to contact and confirm who MrBo is. I assume you would accept Munchkins word. Or are you just being the complete dick that you have come to be of late?
    HELLO AXELWOLF? I am still waiting on a response? If you are going to throw around bullshit accusations, I would like to get a little money in on it. I realize I have the advantage since I already KNOW the outcome....for me it's like betting a game that I have already watched.

    Axel, you become more of a troll everyday, I guess from spending to much time at "troll central". I see some of EvenBob rubbing off on you. You take pleasure in insulting and accusing right up to, but just shy of the line. What's the saying...."when in Rome....". or in this case "when in 3rd grade (WoV), you act like a third grader".

    You might be a strong and knowledgeable AP, but as a person, you are pretty small. (That's not a height joke...although....)

  13. #313
    Originally Posted by Bill Yung View Post
    Originally Posted by Bill Yung View Post
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    I've already been on stackexchange and even got one of those guys to post up here.
    You should've had him/her comment on the the "Wizard's" stuff in general. What are you afraid of? Hurting someone's feelings? The real deal wizards are the ones who would never call themselves that. The fake ones are the ones with gambling followers who can't face up to this. The ones who can give up, say, the bottle, but still not lose the anger inside.

    It doesn't matter to me, because I realize that the "Wizard" will never be more than someone's booby prize. Nothing to hold your breath for.
    Well, you didn't have to ask the mathematician what he thinks of Shackleford. The mathematician is long gone. Right?
    Yes, the mathematician is long gone. I brought him here to try to explain the "two dice problem" to Alan. After explaining it and seeing Alan's responses he told me he didn't have time to waste on a nutjob and left.

    You portray yourself as someone knowledgeable about math and mathematicians. To the point that you think you can handicap them. Do you have a background in advanced mathematics or are you just some nutjob running his mouth?
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  14. #314
    Originally Posted by Bill Yung View Post
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Jacobson is one of your favorite kind of people, a failed AP. Everything in Advanced Advantage Play he learned from Grosjean, someone that applies gambling math successfully. Jacobson doesn't have that ability. He ripped Grosjean off in the book to try to cash and in before he got to old. He damn sure couldn't do it in gambling.
    I guess that the proper analogy here is to a crack dealer. The guy who makes it uses chemistry, but he definitely isn't a chemist. The gist of AP's who think they are some sort of professional. Another form of delusion to satisfy their habits.
    Another anti-AP asshole. Why don't you quit with criticizing others and start posting YOUR strategies on how it's really done? Oh, that's right. You don't know jackshit about it.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  15. #315
    Originally Posted by MaxPen View Post
    How many marks do you think a creator could get to load up $100 worth of multipliers in a day. How many before him and his partner have to move stores? I have yet to run across a creator. Going to have some fun when I do.
    Honestly I don't know. I know something is going on. Not only getting tourists to play Ultimate X but I have seen players getting people to play progressive reels and move them around building up certain jackpots. It is pretty amazing how many times I see the same grift. They tell the mark that this machine needs so many spins... ok now move over here... do this and now do that. I am guessing they use forums and social media to trap these fish. You make it sound like it isn't worth doing or that it isn't going on but it seems to me that it is happening daily and these guys are making bank doing it. I am sure they are even charging them a fee to show them around and maybe even asking for loans. Honestly if your going to do this sort of thing I don't see why you would just stop with some multipliers. It would seem to me that that is just a doorway and it opens up many other cons along the way. Show your mark a 10% gain and he will let you watch his kids over the weekend.

  16. #316
    Originally Posted by monet View Post
    Originally Posted by MaxPen View Post
    How many marks do you think a creator could get to load up $100 worth of multipliers in a day. How many before him and his partner have to move stores? I have yet to run across a creator. Going to have some fun when I do.
    Honestly I don't know. I know something is going on. Not only getting tourists to play Ultimate X but I have seen players getting people to play progressive reels and move them around building up certain jackpots. It is pretty amazing how many times I see the same grift. They tell the mark that this machine needs so many spins... ok now move over here... do this and now do that. I am guessing they use forums and social media to trap these fish. You make it sound like it isn't worth doing or that it isn't going on but it seems to me that it is happening daily and these guys are making bank doing it. I am sure they are even charging them a fee to show them around and maybe even asking for loans. Honestly if your going to do this sort of thing I don't see why you would just stop with some multipliers. It would seem to me that that is just a doorway and it opens up many other cons along the way. Show your mark a 10% gain and he will let you watch his kids over the weekend.
    Go back 15 or 20 years and the creators used the Red Screen Bingo's and the Wild Cherry Bonus Pie's to create.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  17. #317
    deleted, duplicate.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  18. #318
    Originally Posted by Bill Yung View Post
    How is that even comparable to a failed actuary or "glorified bean counter"?
    This is dishonest. How is Shackleford a "failed" actuary? He left one career to pursue something else. If you have some sort of evidence that he was fired or the government was unhappy with his work, present it....otherwise STFU!

    Shackleford has numerous shortcoming that it is fair to be critical of. But if this is the battle you pick....you are just full of shit!
    Last edited by kewlJ; 02-18-2018 at 09:59 AM.

  19. #319
    Yes, of course. Not the insecure persons who post on internet forums.[/QUOTE]

    Thanks, Bill, for giving us some insight into your issues with insecurity.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  20. #320
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post

    HELLO AXELWOLF? I am still waiting on a response? If you are going to throw around bullshit accusations, I would like to get a little money in on it. I realize I have the advantage since I already KNOW the outcome....for me it's like betting a game that I have already watched.

    Axel, you become more of a troll everyday, I guess from spending to much time at "troll central". I see some of EvenBob rubbing off on you. You take pleasure in insulting and accusing right up to, but just shy of the line. What's the saying...."when in Rome....". or in this case "when in 3rd grade (WoV), you act like a third grader".

    You might be a strong and knowledgeable AP, but as a person, you are pretty small. (That's not a height joke...although....)
    This is not possible. AP's like Axel, RS, Maxpen... etc. are the most ethical people in the AP world. These guys are so good they not only beat the Casino daily and years on end finding 10% winners and better but they do it in an honest, legal, legitimate manner. Of course it is ok to Hustle the Casino but to Hustle a person is some big no no. I just don't understand it. It is ok to Hustle but it is not ok to Hustle?? Now these guys will actually gamble against each other for money so its ok to hustle each other but not some poor dumb schmuck who doesn't know any better. His money is off limits. This is like saying it is ok to Rob a bank but not your neighbors house. It make no sense. Hustling is hustling and stealing is stealing.

    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post

    Go back 15 or 20 years and the creators used the Red Screen Bingo's and the Wild Cherry Bonus Pie's to create.
    Boom Machines... those were fun. Diamond Mines too?

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