The WoV Thread

[MDawg]

It's sad when someone who has supposedly devoted his entire life to gambling (albeit at a minimum wage rate of earnings), puts down a fellow gambler. Are gamblers always such an envious lot?

[The Boz]

It's sad when someone who has supposedly devoted his entire life to gambling (albeit at a minimum wage rate of earnings), puts down a fellow gambler. Are gamblers always such an envious lot?

Actually most of these guys are NOT Gamblers like you. They understand math and while they don’t win every time, the math was in their favor EVERY time they wager.

Compared to you who is a gambler and may win sometimes, the math is against you EVERY time on every bet.

Can you understand that?

[MDawg]

I know what the math is. I mean come on, I have a graduate degree and I took way past advanced calculus and number theory in undergrad college. I've played a lot of BJ and I've played a lot of Baccarat. I have won at both consistently, but I have won more at Baccarat than BJ, and never been booted for winning at Baccarat like I have been at BJ.

I have told the entire story here as far as what I have won. Some people keep asking me for more info but I wouldn't discuss that any more than I would discuss my conversations with the Wizard.

I'm not doing any of this for a living though, which is why I say that I am simply, "a gambler." Actually my banker once told me that this is why they let you keep playing even though you win so consistently, "They know you're simply a gambler." His theory anyway.

[MDawg]

You know another proof of why it is important to stay anonymous is that weirdo at WOV who came on, another jealous fuck, who posted the names of some of the surveillance people at the casinos that he had obviously just googled and suggested that people contact them to report MDawg. Truly bizarre post. As if everyone in the casino isn't already watching MDawg closely. I did mention how on the last trip I was overpaid a measly $150. on a Baccarat hand and then a half hour later some pit boss came out of nowhere and asked for the overpayment back. On that same trip, towards the end, after another winning session I asked the pit boss (different one) what he had me down for as the average bet, and when he named a figure I tried to negotiate it higher.

"I can't ____ I mean I think I am being generous and giving you a good number. And they are watching you like a hawk believe me, I could lose my job if I did that."

I just laughed and told him that I wouldn't be a businessman if I didn't try to negotiate up.

[AxelWolf]

Axel is a piece of shit though. And I am saying this straight out to your face now. It would be one thing if he were consistent and just said that he didn't believe anything I posted or said, but I think the guy suffers from the same manic depression as PokerGrinder. He'll concede certain things and act like he's engaging with you like a fellow gambler, and then a day or so later his depression kicks in and he wakes up hating himself and goes in and posts something making it obvious that he is reneging on anything he said or thought previously.

Of course a lot of this has to do with the level of mutual respect that he and I were building up to in private conversations, that I will never disclose as far as exact content, but the gist of it was that we were both getting to the point of some level of trust when he must've woken up depressed again and is now going around posting the SAME tired old B.S. as always, trying to put MDawg down. That is the definition of two faced.

I certainly can talk to someone as a fellow gambler and even like them. I have friends IRL(not in the AP world) who are oftentimes full of shit, and I tell them so and call them out. That doesn't mean I wouldn't have their back or be there for them if they truly need it, or visa versa. That doesn't mean I have to believe all their BS.

I told you I will never believe you are beating the casinos, I told you this is all banter and BS entertainment to me. I don't wish any ill will or harm to you I am willing to never converse with or about you as long as you do the same(unless in defense of myself where someone else on you're side(all 3) brings something up). If I think someone is crossing a line towards you Ill not support that and ill say so. PG crossed a line, the guy with the surveillance crap crossed a line, your attempting doxxing crossed a line, your spreading of my attempted doxing crossed a line.

I told you to ask around about me(people who actually have some credibility, that have meet me) and see what they have to say. You'll probably find out I'm not bluffing and you won't price me out with 50k and I will honor any agreement I agree to. I'm certainly willing to talk about some situation/challenge/bet/freeroll/ just watch you play/ whatever to verify the truth or situation. The timing of your recent nastiness seems like you may have actually come to the conclusion i'm not bluffing( If I believe I have a good enough advantage, I'll do it.) So now your trying to figure a way out. (please allow me to quote part of your latest PM to support my theory)


If you're looking for a way to back out of a possible challenge don't build up some fake narrative or whatever... Just say your not interested. I certainly wouldn't be ashamed to say I'm just not interested and if don't want to give a reason, I won't.
If you can get past the BS and are not afraid...
I'm willing to put up 20k with Mike Shackleford in the next 48 hrs(use bitcoin if you wish) or whenever along with you just to prove im serious. No strings attached you can ask for your money back after 2 week of putting it up for any reason. ill cover the fees up to $50. Apparently you can buy and sell me so 20k should be a speck on a flea on a golden monkeys ass to you.

[MDawg]

Axel, I don't know anything about this Captain Morgan thing that must have been someone else that put you down with that phrase. I said that you are two faced, and you are! One day you'll come in and say things that are respectful and make it clear that you're on the same page with MDawg, next day you'll come in and post something to the effect of that you don't believe anything MDawg says. In the course of our private conversations I felt that we were getting to the level of operating on a level of mutual respect, but then the very next day you go in and start posting about how I must be lying about owning bitcoin since about 2010, and then posting videos of some clown implying that I must be like that guy. I don't have time for games like that, and neither should you if you are in fact a serious straight up person.

[tableplay]

Axel, I don't know anything about this Captain Morgan thing that must have been someone else that put you down with that phrase. I said that you are two faced, and you are! One day you'll come in and say things that are respectful and make it clear that you're on the same page with MDawg, next day you'll come in and post something to the effect of that you don't believe anything MDawg says. In the course of our private conversations I felt that we were getting to the level of operating on a level of mutual respect, but then the very next day you go in and start posting about how I must be lying about owning bitcoin since about 2010, and then posting videos of some clown implying that I must be like that guy. I don't have time for games like that, and neither should you if you are in fact a serious straight up person.

I noticed that Axel doesn't reference himself in the 3rd person when he posts.

[AxelWolf]

Axel, I don't know anything about this Captain Morgan thing that must have been someone else that put you down with that phrase. I said that you are two faced, and you are! One day you'll come in and say things that are respectful and make it clear that you're on the same page with MDawg, next day you'll come in and post something to the effect of that you don't believe anything MDawg says. In the course of our private conversations I felt that we were getting to the level of operating on a level of mutual respect, but then the very next day you go in and start posting about how I must be lying about owning bitcoin since about 2010, and then posting videos of some clown implying that I must be like that guy. I don't have time for games like that, and neither should you if you are in fact a serious straight up person.

ACCUMULATING BTC since 2010 is a strong statement. Just how many did you accumulate and still hold, if i can ask? P.S. I apologize if I mixed you up with CB.

[MDawg]

TablePlay: Nor does Axel waste time crunching irrelevant flat win numbers. Even his post in my thread concedes that anything may happen - due to variance. And no, variance is not defined as considering every permutation while maintaining the exact same flat win percentage possibility, but it may be calculated with math that is more advanced than what you seem capable of handling. Thanks anyway for showing us where the flaw was in your calculations, but even with such a major flaw you still should not have arrived at a twenty million to one chance of my winning after 8 Vegas trips. And you don't even know how many hands I played, what games I played (I played both Baccarat and BJ), how I played them, what exactly the house edge was on each game and whether what form of what you wannabees call "advantage" play I was utilizing changed the house edge. But in any case, variance does not assure a Baccarat loss any more than card counting assures a BJ win.

Anyway tableplay, please go back to pinball. If you enjoy my thread, as you have said you do, fine. Otherwise, I won't waste time arguing with someone who tries to use simple addition and multiplication where calculus or the equivalent is needed.

Axel: I made a post about my BTC in my thread somewhere, I think it was yesterday. What do you want now? A financial statement and a picture of my house and cars? I know you don't want or expect anything like that.

Another thing I feel is two faced is how even after I posted the video of the timepieces you still make allusions to "fake" watches in my WOV thread. No I don't think you believe any longer that any of my watches is "fake," especially after I posted the video of me weighing them to show that they are all made of platinum or 18K gold, and that the weights are right on with expected weights for those Rolex and other Swiss timepieces, but that you'd go back to mentioning the possibility of fake Rolexes on the wrist of that clown whose videos you posted in my WOV thread, is a two faced sort of thing too. It also shows me that you don't know anything about high roller play. No high roller would wear a fake watch at a Baccarat table. That's my peer group! Take a look around a high end Baccarat table and you'll often find easily hundreds of thousands of dollars in timepieces across our wrists.

You do recall this story?
https://vegascasinotalk.com/forum/sh...ll=1#post97654
where another player at the table was wearing a platinum Daytona and he noticed my watch and asked if mine was a platinum Rolex too? (Which yes, mine was the top of top line platinum 40mm Day Date.) We took off our watches and compared them in weight, and the pit boss got in on it too and asked if he could hold them, which we consented. Can you imagine how embarrassing it would have been if I had been wearing a fake? I'd never wear a fake watch. if I couldn't afford the real thing I'd wear no watch at all, or a cheap, but genuine watch. YOU'RE the one who mentioned that he owns a fake Rolex, not me. I'd never have something like that on my back.

I WOULDN'T HAVE IT ON MY BACK. I'LL BE GODDAMNED IF I'LL WEAR IT.

Like I said, if you think everything about me is "fake" then just stick to that story. This back and forth where you wake up one morning feeling black and feel compelled to post some nasty shit and other mornings when you wake up happy and post positive things is the stuff of the mentally ill like PokerGrinder and homeless DarkOz.


Blackhole and Half Smoke: the best post I can think of about all this was at GF yesterday from redietz, and it follows in line with what many have said in this very thread - that WOV is full of wannabees who started bumping into each other like pigs in chute when they realized that the real thing had come along and exposed all their wannabee facades. Axel, if you are the real thing then you'll recognize the real thing. If not, you'll keep posting videos of clowns on YouTube and trying to compare them to me.

[tableplay]

TablePlay: Nor does he waste time crunching irrelevant flat win numbers. Even his post in my thread concedes that anything may happen - due to variance. And no, variance is not defined as considering every permutation while maintaining the exact same flat win percentage possibility, but it may be calculated with math that is more advanced than what you seem capable of handling. Thanks anyway for showing us where the flaw was in your calculations, but even with such a major flaw you still should not have arrived at a twenty million to one chance of my winning after 8 Vegas trips. And you don't even know how many hands I played, what games I played (I played both Baccarat and BJ), how I played them, what exactly the house edge was on each game and whether any advantage play I was utilizing changed the house edge. But in any case, variance does not assure a Baccarat loss any more than card counting assures a win in BJ.

I already showed you what happens with variable bets in my SQL query. It all gets down to the large bet in the example that you asked me to crunch and that you are now telling me I wasted my time on. You can distribute your bet sizes any way you like on your bets. If you do this redistribution over and over again, it will converge on a loss, since eventually your larger bets will fall on losing hands at the same rate any of smaller bets do as you accumulate ever more hands played.

[MDawg]

I just noticed another post by Axel over at WOV, asking about some guy who got nuked implying that maybe I was the source of that. I was not! The guy actually gave me his email and at one point wanted me to meet him in some casino in Mexicali. You guys are all like children, feeding into drama. Meantime, I'm making real money, both in real life, and at the casinos.

"You can't make this stuff up" about these wannabees, redietz, I concur!

[Tasha]

In Truth is stranger than Fiction news, there are on implication "jokes," that I was Mendoza who just got nuked today! WTF? O.O :/

[AxelWolf]

TablePlay: Nor does Axel waste time crunching irrelevant flat win numbers. Even his post in my thread concedes that anything may happen - due to variance. And no, variance is not defined as considering every permutation while maintaining the exact same flat win percentage possibility, but it may be calculated with math that is more advanced than what you seem capable of handling. Thanks anyway for showing us where the flaw was in your calculations, but even with such a major flaw you still should not have arrived at a twenty million to one chance of my winning after 8 Vegas trips. And you don't even know how many hands I played, what games I played (I played both Baccarat and BJ), how I played them, what exactly the house edge was on each game and whether what form of what you wannabees call "advantage" play I was utilizing changed the house edge. But in any case, variance does not assure a Baccarat loss any more than card counting assures a BJ win.

Anyway tableplay, please go back to pinball. If you enjoy my thread, as you have said you do, fine. Otherwise, I won't waste time arguing with someone who tries to use simple addition and multiplication where calculus or the equivalent is needed.

Axel: I made a post about my BTC in my thread somewhere, I think it was yesterday. What do you want now? A financial statement and a picture of my house and cars? I know you don't want or expect anything like that.

Another thing I feel is two faced is how even after I posted the video of the timepieces you still make allusions to "fake" watches in my WOV thread. No I don't think you believe any longer that any of my watches is "fake," especially after I posted the video of me weighing them to show that they are all made of platinum or 18K gold, and that the weights are right on with expected weights for those Rolex and other Swiss timepieces, but that you'd go back to mentioning the possibility of fake Rolexes on the wrist of that clown whose videos you posted in my WOV thread, is a two faced sort of thing too. It also shows me that you don't know anything about high roller play. No high roller would wear a fake watch at a Baccarat table. That's my peer group! Take a look around a high end Baccarat table and you'll often find easily hundreds of thousands of dollars in timepieces across our wrists.

You do recall this story?
https://vegascasinotalk.com/forum/sh...ll=1#post97654
where another player at the table was wearing a platinum Daytona and he noticed my watch and asked if mine was a platinum Rolex too? (Which yes, mine was the top of top line platinum 40mm Day Date.) We took off our watches and compared them in weight, and the pit boss got in on it too and asked if he could hold them, which we consented. Can you imagine how embarrassing it would have been if I had been wearing a fake? I'd never wear a fake watch. if I couldn't afford the real thing I'd wear no watch at all, or a cheap, but genuine watch. YOU'RE the one who mentioned that he owns a fake Rolex, not me. I'd never have something like that on my back.

I WOULDN'T HAVE IT ON MY BACK. I'LL BE GODDAMNED IF I'LL WEAR IT.

Like I said, if you think everything about me is "fake" then just stick to that story. This back and forth where you wake up one morning feeling black and feel compelled to post some nasty shit and other mornings when you wake up happy and post positive things is the stuff of the mentally ill like PokerGrinder and homeless DarkOz.


Blackhole and Half Smoke: the best post I can think of about all this was at GF yesterday from redietz, and it follows in line with what many have said in this very thread - that WOV is full of wannabees who started bumping into each other like pigs in chute when they realized that the real thing had come along and exposed all their wannabee facades. Axel, if you are the real thing then you'll recognize the real thing. If not, you'll keep posting videos of clowns on YouTube and trying to compare them to me.

I asked already. How many did you accumulate in 2010 -2014? How many do you still have? What was your average cost and sell prices?

At least I admitted mine were fake. Anyways, I was rather young when I was buying them and I don't wear them. I wouldn't wast my money on a watch for over 4k even if I had a billion dollars. value hold or not, unless a unique situation came up.

[MDawg]

https://vegascasinotalk.com/forum/sh...ll=1#post99744

[Tasha]

Slotking got a three day Suspension on WOV for "Advertising without permission".... His "Advertising without permission," was OBVIOUSLY an April Fool's Joke! It was Crystal Clear as a Diamond that he was joking in the spirit of April Fools day! I am not the brightest bulb in the world and even I immediately knew what Slotking was doing! Many of the "Advertising without permission," was obvious jokes like,"You get free play for all 40 days of April!" You would have thought Wizard replied to say something like,"LMAO! Good April Fools joke! " But instead he replied to say that Slotking is Suspended for three days for"Advertising without permission." I don't know what Wizard's problem is, Suspenging a Poster for an innocent April Fool's thread like that.

[MDawg]

I was posting at WOV because they have decent traffic. I figured that with that decent traffic would come engagement with other gamblers. But within that traffic would be the occasional trolling wannabee like DarkOz who couldn't handle that the real thing had come along to one up his B.S. low end existence.

There might be lower traffic here, but at least if some snot nosed punk like PokerGrinder comes along looking for a fight talking shit you may tell him what you really think of him with impunity.

I suppose that as far as WOV when I return there I'll just have to post and not respond to anyone.

[The Boz]

Slotking got a three day Suspension on WOV for "Advertising without permission".... His "Advertising without permission," was OBVIOUSLY an April Fool's Joke! It was Crystal Clear as a Diamond that he was joking in the spirit of April Fools day! I am not the brightest bulb in the world and even I immediately knew what Slotking was doing! Many of the "Advertising without permission," was obvious jokes like,"You get free play for all 40 days of April!" You would have thought Wizard replied to say something like,"LMAO! Good April Fools joke! " But instead he replied to say that Slotking is Suspended for three days for"Advertising without permission." I don't know what Wizard's problem is, Suspenging a Poster for an innocent April Fool's thread like that.

In the spirit of “You can say anything here”. How fucking stupid are? Why do you get stupider every day? Why do you have to prove people who see how retarted you are correct?

Did you even look at the member? 4 previous posts that were typical BOT responses to posts over 6 weeks ago. Obviously a setup to be able to later post scam gambling site ad posts. Of course the BOT responses were more intelligent than anything that you pull out your ass and post. For your stupid ass and because I’m bored as fuck, here are their 4 previous posts before the scam posts.

Im happily married but lying ( even white lies) is a deal breaker for me.
This looks amazing, it has made me so hungry !
I got a solid 2
This is the kind of win I need this month

And please stop insulting the intelligence of Light Bulbs by comparing yourself to them.

[Tasha]

Slotking got a three day Suspension on WOV for "Advertising without permission".... His "Advertising without permission," was OBVIOUSLY an April Fool's Joke! It was Crystal Clear as a Diamond that he was joking in the spirit of April Fools day! I am not the brightest bulb in the world and even I immediately knew what Slotking was doing! Many of the "Advertising without permission," was obvious jokes like,"You get free play for all 40 days of April!" You would have thought Wizard replied to say something like,"LMAO! Good April Fools joke! " But instead he replied to say that Slotking is Suspended for three days for"Advertising without permission." I don't know what Wizard's problem is, Suspenging a Poster for an innocent April Fool's thread like that.

In the spirit of “You can say anything here”. How fucking stupid are? Why do you get stupider every day? Why do you have to prove people who see how retarted you are correct?

Did you even look at the member? 4 previous posts that were typical BOT responses to posts over 6 weeks ago. Obviously a setup to be able to later post scam gambling site ad posts. Of course the BOT responses were more intelligent than anything that you pull out your ass and post. For your stupid ass and because I’m bored as fuck, here are their 4 previous posts before the scam posts.

Im happily married but lying ( even white lies) is a deal breaker for me.
This looks amazing, it has made me so hungry !
I got a solid 2
This is the kind of win I need this month

And please stop insulting the intelligence of Light Bulbs by comparing yourself to them.

To be fair, Mike also said that he got a 2 on the Narcisstic Test. And I assumed Slotking was saying that if his wife lied he would want to divorce her. I assumed he was saying that Evenbob's smothered steak looking food right before his response made him hungry. Wizard showed a big win, and Slotking mentioned he needed that kind of big win himself.

[AxelWolf]

I was posting at WOV because they have decent traffic. I figured that with that decent traffic would come engagement with other gamblers. But within that traffic would be the occasional trolling wannabee like DarkOz who couldn't handle that the real thing had come along to one up his B.S. low end existence.

There might be lower traffic here, but at least if some snot nosed punk like PokerGrinder comes along looking for a fight talking shit you may tell him what you really think of him with impunity.

I suppose that as far as WOV when I return there I'll just have to post and not respond to anyone.

And why do you care how much traffic is at a site?

[MDawg]

I was posting at WOV because they have decent traffic. I figured that with that decent traffic would come engagement with other gamblers.

And why do you care how much traffic is at a site?

Sharp attention and reading comprehension skills not a measure of one's card counting aptitude, evidently?