The WoV Thread

[tableplay]

I've been ignored by better than the Dawg.

I have absolutely no doubt about that.

[MDawg]

Regnis, you are wrong. Unless cash in is involved, if the outgoing is a bank wire or check, there will be no currency report.

For example, look at this:

B. Transactions in currency involving cash-out include, but are not limited to (31 CFR 1021.311(b)):

Payments by a casino to a customer based on receipts of funds through wire transfer for credit to a customer

So you're probably thinking, AHA! there it is. But that's because you aren't reading the regulation well or properly. Read the reg: section B refers to CASH out. So the "Payments by a casino" refer to CASH out. So yeah, yes, if you wire in money then CASH OUT there will be a CTR.

Here is another one in section B:
Advances on any form of credit, including markers and counter checks

So, reading that and not knowing what it MEANS, one might think, duh, okay so I pull a marker against my line I get a CTR. No! Come on, that would be absurd. Players would be getting a CTR ten times a day every time they pulled a marker at the tables. What this refers to are "Advances" against credit, that...again...result in CASH OUT. So for example I pull a twenty K marker, and somehow managed to cash the chips for cash without paying the marker. That would be an "advance" IN CASH against my line - reportable if over $10K.

Section A of the regulation documents instances of CASH IN.

Section B, CASH OUT.

Yes Section B documents all the different forms of HOW a customer might get cash in his hands, but unless he does get CASH in his hands, there is no cash out.

Unless there is cash in, or cash out, there is no CTR.


I mean come on, money is my business. If I don't know the rules about money, something's wrong.

[mickeycrimm]

Listen guys, how about stopping with the irrelevant comments just for one day --- which just end up burying the meat of this thread, which is calling out Axel for not knowing shit about anything he was talking about in that post. We already know he has a hard time following anything that is more than a few basic sentences (or forum posts) long. I mean, HE'LL post a long post going on and on, but try to get him to read your post of any length and he doesn't seem to be able to follow it. Or pretends that he can't.



I don't really care if he wants to concede that he knows nada or not, but given that he knows nada, he shouldn't question the real thing - which is...MDAWG! (3rd Person.)

Axel is apparently your guys' Walk on Water hero, so the fact that he knows nada may be unsettling to some of you, but step aside please, and let the self anointed hero Axel make his explanation.

This idiot makes irrelevant comments all the time but he's calling other people out for it? He's just a frickin' troll. Just here to irritate people. A goofball.

[AxelWolf]

Mdawg in case you didn't know I probably only read about 5% of what you write especially when it's a big wall of text. I'll be scrolling through all your junk as quick as possible and if I happen to notice my name(and I miss that frequently) or something I'll stop and perhaps read that sentence I'm not clicking on all your links and whatnot. I barely know what you're saying and there's a lot of it I have like zero interest in whatsoever it's just random blather to me.
It doesn't matter what YOU say about CTR's. Even below the CTR level they're supposed to be keeping track, I've been ask for ID for as little as $1,000. You have zero proof you've ever played a hand a baccarat in your life. I'm not saying you haven't, I'm just saying there's nobody that will verify anything about you thus far. And until such time where your stories can be collaborated to a degree of good satisfaction, everything you say will be taken with a grain of salt.

[MDawg]

Axel, I figured you would just toss your hands up and try to deflate the issue when called out.

In any case, I'll flat out say it: you have never won much of anything at any table game and your asking SiegfriedRoy at WOV to provide a CTR or proof that he received a CTR to try to prove his alleged million dollar table win is proof of that. I am not saying that SiegfriedRoy won or didn't win a million at the blackjack tables, but your asking him for a CTR was pointless, and clear evidence of that you have never been anywhere near that sort of thing yourself. If SiegfriedRoy won that kind of money, he sure as hell didn't carry it out the door in cash, and as such, there would have been no CTR.

[MDawg]

Regnis what you might be confusing with a CTR, which again, is applicable ONLY in instances of CASH in or CASH out, is something like a SARC. Yes, I suppose if someone wired in ten million to a casino and this seemed unusual based on what they knew about the guy, they could file a Suspicious Activity Report by Casinos and Card Clubs (SARC, FinCen Form 109). Or say he had money wired in from one account and then had it wired out to a different one, or received it from overseas and had it wired to a U.S. account, yes that could be suspicious. I'll admit I am not an expert on when a SARC might be filed or not, because these are based on judgment calls, not cold hard rules.

But CTR rules are very clear, and involve only cash-in or cash-out transactions.

In any case: no matter how much a guy WINS at a casino and is wired out, what would be intrinsically suspicious about that? But again, we are talking about the potential for a SARC not a CTR - completely different.

At the end of the day: CTRs are used only for cash-in or cash-out reports.

Not wires, unless somehow in the course of the wires, CASH has come in to make up the wire, or CASH is handed out from the proceeds of the wire.
https://www.bankersonline.com/qa/ctr-incoming-wires

[AxelWolf]

Axel, I figured you would just toss your hands up and try to deflate the issue when called out.

In any case, I'll flat out say it: you have never won much of anything at any table game and your asking SiegfriedRoy at WOV to provide a CTR or proof that he received a CTR to try to prove his alleged million dollar table win is proof of that. I am not saying that SiegfriedRoy won or didn't win a million at the blackjack tables, but your asking him for a CTR was pointless, and clear evidence of that you have never been anywhere near that sort of thing yourself. If SiegfriedRoy won that kind of money, he sure as hell didn't carry it out the door in cash, and as such, there would have been no CTR.

As you noticed he didn't even respond to that aspect, because his claim was a fraud and he didn't even know they don't hand you an actual CTR. That was probably the whole point of me actually posting that to see how he would respond. Perhaps I meant to say physical win loss statement and accidentally said CTR. I had no clue what you were talking about when you kept mentioning ctr's my comment to you was I have no idea what the f*** you're talking about they don't actually hand you CTR's so either that post was an an attempt to see how he would respond or I had a temporary brain fart and I made a mistake, who f****** knows, I don't remember, I don't care.

Remember how you claimed to be staying at a particular casino in a suit showing off your pictures of an outside View but the picture actually wasn't taking from that particular Casino that you claimed to be at at the time? Is that because of all your stuff is b******* or did you just make a mistake?

I have never claimed to be frequently playing huge amounts on baccarat and other table games. I have in the past during circumstances where I had a positive expectation, I certainly don't have as much of an experience as a degenerate Gambler who believes they have some magical system that can beat a negative expectation game. The last time I played Baccarat was when the Lucky Dragon was open offering thousands of dollars in match plays. I do remember I ran super good winning a majority of them.

I've already went over this. I have played Big stakes, small stakes and everything in between on many different games over many years I'm never going to remember every aspect of every game I've ever played. I've never claimed to be an expert on the inner workings of high roller degenerate play. I only care if I have an advantage and getting the money into my pocket, I don't need to know every single detail. I don't need to be an expert on eating s*** you know it tastes like s*** and it's not good for you.

[MDawg]

If you're referring to that I posted a picture a year ago, about a picture I took about two decades ago and it turned out I took it from Venetian, versus from Bellagio, what's your point? That my memory for something minor like that from a decade ago wasn't 100%? One of the other guys at WOV chimed in and told you to put a lid on it, in that it wasn't like I was at Westward Ho I was in the Venetian, and that all the guy did was mistake being in one high end penthouse with another as far as a picture taken out the window of the Strip.

In any case, if you're saying that your memory is good, then why exactly do you claim that this million dollar blackjack claim from SiegfriedRoy was a fraud? If you can't even remember why, what's the point of saying it?

But still, the point of MY bringing up your post when you asked for a CTR to prove SiegfriedRoy's million dollar table game blackjack win, was simply to point out that such a claim comes from someone who has never had a big table game win, which, you seem to be conceding that point now. It was not to say that EVerything you say is B.S.!

[AxelWolf]

If you're referring to that I posted a picture a year ago, about a picture I took about two decades ago and it turned out I took it from Venetian, versus from Bellagio, what's your point? That my memory for something minor like that from a decade ago wasn't 100%? One of the other guys at WOV chimed in and told you to put a lid on it, in that it wasn't like I was at Westward Ho I was in the Venetian, and that all the guy did was mistake being in one high end penthouse with another as far as a picture taken out the window of the Strip.

In any case, if you're saying that your memory is good, then why exactly do you claim that this million dollar blackjack claim from SiegfriedRoy was a fraud? If you can't even remember why, what's the point of saying it?

But still, the point of MY bringing up your post when you asked for a CTR to prove SiegfriedRoy's million dollar table game blackjack win, was simply to point out that such a claim comes from someone who has never had a big table game win, which, you seem to be conceding that point now. It was not to say that EVerything you say is B.S.!

I CERTAINLY HAVE HAD BIG TABLE GAME WINS, but certainly not as many as the degenerates out there.

[MDawg]

No you haven't Axel. If you had had even one table game win above ten grand you would have known to get a check or a bank wire and avoid having a CTR issued. Or at a minimum, if you had been foolish enough to cash out over ten K, you would know that a CTR is not something that you or any player could produce as any kind of evidence of anything.

You don't know anything about CTRs as related to table games, because you have never been in a position to have one issued for your table game play. That's obvious.

[redietz]

If you're referring to that I posted a picture a year ago, about a picture I took about two decades ago and it turned out I took it from Venetian, versus from Bellagio, what's your point? That my memory for something minor like that from a decade ago wasn't 100%? One of the other guys at WOV chimed in and told you to put a lid on it, in that it wasn't like I was at Westward Ho I was in the Venetian, and that all the guy did was mistake being in one high end penthouse with another as far as a picture taken out the window of the Strip.

In any case, if you're saying that your memory is good, then why exactly do you claim that this million dollar blackjack claim from SiegfriedRoy was a fraud? If you can't even remember why, what's the point of saying it?

But still, the point of MY bringing up your post when you asked for a CTR to prove SiegfriedRoy's million dollar table game blackjack win, was simply to point out that such a claim comes from someone who has never had a big table game win, which, you seem to be conceding that point now. It was not to say that EVerything you say is B.S.!

Are you implying that the Ho wasn't classy?????????

I miss the Westward Ho. They had a 9/6 progressive bank in front and cheap hot dogs, and it was right between the Stardust and Circus-Circus, so I could get my seat at the Stardust on Saturdays, leave my jacket and legal pads there, and then walk down to CC to check numbers and get weather reports. In between was the wonderful Westward Ho, they of the free ice cream on Fridays (I think it was Fridays).

[MDawg]

I could Google and find out, but, so it was down there by Circus Circus? I actually had never even heard of it before someone mentioned it on WOV.

That's the thing though, whether by taxi or limo the usual path between downtown and the Strip is either the I-15 or Paradise so I could see why a person could have spent a ton of time in Vegas without passing by it. I did used to spend a lot of my trips at the Nugget, back then.

[AxelWolf]

If you're referring to that I posted a picture a year ago, about a picture I took about two decades ago and it turned out I took it from Venetian, versus from Bellagio, what's your point? That my memory for something minor like that from a decade ago wasn't 100%? One of the other guys at WOV chimed in and told you to put a lid on it, in that it wasn't like I was at Westward Ho I was in the Venetian, and that all the guy did was mistake being in one high end penthouse with another as far as a picture taken out the window of the Strip.

In any case, if you're saying that your memory is good, then why exactly do you claim that this million dollar blackjack claim from SiegfriedRoy was a fraud? If you can't even remember why, what's the point of saying it?

But still, the point of MY bringing up your post when you asked for a CTR to prove SiegfriedRoy's million dollar table game blackjack win, was simply to point out that such a claim comes from someone who has never had a big table game win, which, you seem to be conceding that point now. It was not to say that EVerything you say is B.S.!

Are you implying that the Ho wasn't classy?????????

I miss the Westward Ho. They had a 9/6 progressive bank in front and cheap hot dogs, and it was right between the Stardust and Circus-Circus, so I could get my seat at the Stardust on Saturdays, leave my jacket and legal pads there, and then walk down to CC to check numbers and get weather reports. In between was the wonderful Westward Ho, they of the free ice cream on Fridays (I think it was Fridays).

back in the day they had a pretty good double deck game where they didn't protect the bottom card from your view very well while letting you cut. I did a lot of practice cutting cards, I could cut off exactly 11 cards 90% of the time. It was a low roller joint so you couldn't get a lot of action down and at the time. I didn't have a big bankroll, not to mention, there was other stuff going on that was fairly good at the time with much less Heat. Sometimes the right thing is available at the wrong time.

[MDawg]

Cut...
The player's allowed to cut at any time.





"I make my own luck."

[AxelWolf]

Cut...
The player's allowed to cut at any time.





"I make my own luck."

if I recall correctly, you've deemed yourself as a young guy(?)
And I'm not talking not this particular picture but I recall a lot of the things you've posted up such as videos seem to be more along the lines of somebody older.

[blackhole]

A while back on this forum I explained CTR’s and STR’s and from what I recall the same 2-bit button pushers obviously knew nothing about them. You would think they would glance through the internet before they comment on something they know nothing about. Instead they respond quickly on 2-bit forums like this one in a haste without facts to hopefully prove something or you wrong just for the gotcha feather in their hat. Then they try to cover up their stupidly by attacking you somehow or claiming mis-understandings. Like that boring ass-hole Mickeycrimm does post after post after post after post. This moron chimes into every single thread regardless of content.

Just another indication of what type of 2-bit low-end hustlers you’re dealing with on these hustling sites.

[The Boz]

A while back on this forum I explained CTR’s and STR’s and from what I recall the same 2-bit button pushers obviously knew nothing about them. You would think they would glance through the internet before they comment on something they know nothing about. Instead they respond quickly on 2-bit forums like this one in a haste without facts to hopefully prove something or you wrong just for the gotcha feather in their hat. Then they try to cover up their stupidly by attacking you somehow or claiming mis-understandings. Like that boring ass-hole Mickeycrimm does post after post after post after post. This moron chimes into every single thread regardless of content.

Just another indication of what type of 2-bit low-end hustlers you’re dealing with on these hustling sites.

I don’t remember that story but I loved the one where you fucked the old lady you met at a casino that kept pissing herself.

Now that was good reading. I’m sure you have more quality stuff like that to add if you stopped being so damn angry about your lifetime of gambling losses.

[blackhole]

I don’t remember that story but I loved the one where you fucked the old lady you met at a casino that kept pissing herself.

Now that was good reading. I’m sure you have more quality stuff like that to add if you stopped being so damn angry about your lifetime of gambling losses.

You have made this same claim about bitter loses with every person you don’t get along with on every forum I’ve seen you on.

Usually that’s an indication of exactly what your own problem is and just don’t want to be the only asshole in that condition.

I know you try to play yourself off as the man of wisdom, but with a name like BOZO, it don’t come off very well.

[The Boz]

I don’t remember that story but I loved the one where you fucked the old lady you met at a casino that kept pissing herself.

Now that was good reading. I’m sure you have more quality stuff like that to add if you stopped being so damn angry about your lifetime of gambling losses.

You have made this same claim about bitter loses with every person you don’t get along with on every forum I’ve seen you on.

Usually that’s an indication of exactly what your own problem is and just don’t want to be the only asshole in that condition.

I know you try to play yourself off as the man of wisdom, but with a name like BOZO, it don’t come off very well.

You have ADMITTED losing more money than most of us ever had in casinos. Correct?

[The Boz]

And I’m sure you are the only person I accused of that, because you admitted it.