The WoV Thread

[Rob.Singer]

Your guys' buddy Billryan made an interesting observation in the horseracing thread that many believe the same thing about Bob Dancer. He said this:

"Someone who makes a million dollars in bets and collects more than a million dollars in winnings is a successful handicapper. Someone who loses $50,000 but gets $80,000 back in rebates is not."

Now isn't this EXACTLY the same thing Dancer does with VP? Take that player's card away from him and he would be the same loser gambler that any ploppie would be. He needs those rebates, drawing wins, cash back, etc. to be profitable. He isn't beating the VP machines. He's beating the marketing department.

Yes, he's beating the marketing department. That's part of the equation. At 9/6 jacks with 1% same day cashback you are running a .46% deficit on the game to get the 1% CB. A net edge of .54%. He never claimed to beat 9/6 jacks straight up.

The problem is he DOES claim that his income is from VP. It clearly isn't. It's from the players card "rebates." Nothing wrong with any of it, it's just the way he portrays it. You and I don't need PC's for what we do. They just add an extra benefit.

I've been saying that for years. And years....

[Ozzy]

Now that Dark Oz showed up, cam anyone talk Broke Billy to come over here and enlighten with all his knowledge?

He wouldn’t survive an hour here so it’s a pipe dream.

Your right, Billy and Dark are similar in certain ways, but Darkoz has thicker skin, then know it all Billyboy.

[MDawg]

Axel are you fifty, or ninety? It's to the point where I am wondering if anything that transpired more than six months ago remains in your memory.

First you came and said that SiegfriedRoy was a fraud, then declared that you could not remember why.

PokerGrinder....
PokerGrinder posted about his struggles with mental illness at WOV. Not just once, more than once. I saw him post it, it went right by you.

Then I quoted what PG said, and you were surprised to see it, as if you were seeing it for the first time.

You then asked him about it, and seemed surprised a second time, when he told you directly that he had struggled with depression for years.

And now it's like none of the above happened, and we are back to square one. And you are ready to be surprised again, a third time, over something that has already been discussed.

Based on what I see, there is absolutely no way you could have ever counted cards or counted or tracked anything even remotely complex - you can't even keep track of anything that happened in your own world. I assume that six months from now, you won't remember any of this, either.

Do you want me to find the discussions you yourself had with PokerGrinder over his depression or does any of this ring a bell?


Anyway, from what I understand, PokerGrinder is clinically depressed - meaning that he takes psych meds.

[The Boz]

A long term assclown, sorry member, Sabre look a shot at Dan and this forum over there.

Like Broke Billy, he is certainly welcome to come over here and post. But again of course he won’t.

If there is any justice, he should be suspended for an insult against a member in good standing at WoV, Dan Druff.

[kewlJ]

A long term assclown, sorry member, Sabre look a shot at Dan and this forum over there.

Like Broke Billy, he is certainly welcome to come over here and post. But again of course he won’t.

If there is any justice, he should be suspended for an insult against a member in good standing at WoV, Dan Druff.

I think Sabre makes a valid point. It is a fact that Dan Druff owns and runs a forum, where hate, trolling and personal attacks is not only tolerated, but welcome. He takes pride in it. He apparently finds that kind of thing enjoyable. And that is his right. But lets be honest, this is no longer has any semblance of a gambling forum. It is a troll, name calling, as Dan himself stated in his welcome to Darkoz, "anything goes" forum, reminiscent of 3rd grade recess period.

So when a serious discussion comes along, Dan doesn't have the right, nor should he expect this forum or his thoughts to be taken seriously. He has forfeited that right, that standing in the AP/Gambling community by the joke of a forum he runs. Almost the same exact thing occurred a few weeks ago in the blackjack AP community. Zengrifter, a long time member of the blackjack community and someone who has some knowledge and experiences with blackjack AP play, was recently banned from the last remaining blackjack forum. Very similarly, Zengrifter operates a forum, that allows much the same kind of hate and attacks, some of it illegal. And Zengrifter could just no longer be taken seriously because of it. Our own BoSox even took a stand, not long ago, refusing to participate at the blackjack forum, while Zengrifter was a member. You just can't run a joke of a forum and expect to be taken seriously.

And to a lesser extent, all of us that participate here, fall victims to that. How can anyone on a legitimate gambling/AP forum take any of us seriously that post here and engage in nothing but trolling and attacks? It just can't be both ways.

[The Boz]

A long term assclown, sorry member, Sabre look a shot at Dan and this forum over there.

Like Broke Billy, he is certainly welcome to come over here and post. But again of course he won’t.

If there is any justice, he should be suspended for an insult against a member in good standing at WoV, Dan Druff.

I think Sabre makes a valid point. It is a fact that Dan Druff owns and runs a forum, where hate, trolling and personal attacks is not only tolerated, but welcome. He takes pride in it. He apparently finds that kind of thing enjoyable. And that is his right. But lets be honest, this is no longer has any semblance of a gambling forum. It is a troll, name calling, as Dan himself stated in his welcome to Darkoz, "anything goes" forum, reminiscent of 3rd grade recess period.

So when a serious discussion comes along, Dan doesn't have the right, nor should he expect this forum or his thoughts to be taken seriously. He has forfeited that right, that standing in the AP/Gambling community by the joke of a forum he runs. Almost the same exact thing occurred a few weeks ago in the blackjack AP community. Zengrifter, a long time member of the blackjack community and someone who has some knowledge and experiences with blackjack AP play, was recently banned from the last remaining blackjack forum. Very similarly, Zengrifter operates a forum, that allows much the same kind of hate and attacks, some of it illegal. And Zengrifter could just no longer be taken seriously because of it. Our own BoSox even took a stand, not long ago, refusing to participate at the blackjack forum, while Zengrifter was a member. You just can't run a joke of a forum and expect to be taken seriously.

And to a lesser extent, all of us that participate here, fall victims to that. How can anyone on a legitimate gambling/AP forum take any of us seriously that post here and engage in nothing but trolling and attacks? It just can't be both ways.

You made some valid points, but sorry Dan’s respect in the Gambling community is above almost everyone’s here. The fraud work he does on his Poker Forum deserves awards and as he says, he’s a free speech advocate. I encourage you to head over to the comments at the HuffPost if you want to see what hatred speech really is.

And if YOU are comparing this site and Dan to Zengrifter, why are YOU here? He forfeited NOTHING in my mind. Fair question, right? While I don’t know a lot of about Zengrifter, I’ve heard enough to know that’s a huge insult to Dan. Unlike WoV, you can get away with it here with no repercussions.

[kewlJ]

You made some valid points, but sorry Dan’s respect in the Gambling community is above almost everyone’s here. The fraud work he does on his Poker Forum deserves awards and as he says, he’s a free speech advocate. I encourage you to head over to the comments at the HuffPost if you want to see what hatred speech really is.

And if YOU are comparing this site and Dan to Zengrifter, why are YOU here? He forfeited NOTHING in my mind. Fair question, right? While I don’t know a lot of about Zengrifter, I’ve heard enough to know that’s a huge insult to Dan. Unlike WoV, you can get away with it here with no repercussions.

Yes, fair question. But you know the answer. I am here because I don't have a choice. I am banned at WoV for political reasons. Not political like Trump/liberal/conservative discussions. Political, like a friend of Mikes demanded that he ban me...called in a favor. Someone who doesn't even and never intended to participate at WoV. And that is all I am going to say about it.

So, I don't have much of a choice, other than to not participate anywhere. But there is no question, that my participation here and my willingness to get down in the mud with the pigs has damaged my reputation and standing in the same way as I am saying it has damaged Dan Druff. You just can't roll around in the mud and shit and expect to not stink.

[mickeycrimm]

The internet should be banned because it allows hate speech.

[BoSox]

You made some valid points, but sorry Dan’s respect in the Gambling community is above almost everyone’s here. The fraud work he does on his Poker Forum deserves awards and as he says, he’s a free speech advocate. I encourage you to head over to the comments at the HuffPost if you want to see what hatred speech really is.

And if YOU are comparing this site and Dan to Zengrifter, why are YOU here? He forfeited NOTHING in my mind. Fair question, right? While I don’t know a lot of about Zengrifter, I’ve heard enough to know that’s a huge insult to Dan. Unlike WoV, you can get away with it here with no repercussions.

So, I don't have much of a choice, other than to not participate anywhere. But there is no question, that my participation here and my willingness to get down in the mud with the pigs has damaged my reputation and standing in the same way as I am saying it has damaged Dan Druff. You just can't roll around in the mud and shit and expect to not stink.

KJ, regarding you getting down in the mud with the pigs of this forum, has damaged your reputation seriously! I suppose that you really believe that shit and it is truly scary. Let me remind you that with the extended long history that you have, you do not take a backseat to anyone by a long shot. Now kindly apologize to all the Vegas Casino Talk membership.

[monet]

I think Sabre makes a valid point. It is a fact that Dan Druff owns and runs a forum, where hate, trolling and personal attacks is not only tolerated, but welcome. He takes pride in it. He apparently finds that kind of thing enjoyable. And that is his right. But lets be honest, this is no longer has any semblance of a gambling forum. It is a troll, name calling, as Dan himself stated in his welcome to Darkoz, "anything goes" forum, reminiscent of 3rd grade recess period.

So when a serious discussion comes along, Dan doesn't have the right, nor should he expect this forum or his thoughts to be taken seriously. He has forfeited that right, that standing in the AP/Gambling community by the joke of a forum he runs. Almost the same exact thing occurred a few weeks ago in the blackjack AP community. Zengrifter, a long time member of the blackjack community and someone who has some knowledge and experiences with blackjack AP play, was recently banned from the last remaining blackjack forum. Very similarly, Zengrifter operates a forum, that allows much the same kind of hate and attacks, some of it illegal. And Zengrifter could just no longer be taken seriously because of it. Our own BoSox even took a stand, not long ago, refusing to participate at the blackjack forum, while Zengrifter was a member. You just can't run a joke of a forum and expect to be taken seriously.

And to a lesser extent, all of us that participate here, fall victims to that. How can anyone on a legitimate gambling/AP forum take any of us seriously that post here and engage in nothing but trolling and attacks? It just can't be both ways.

Now we know for sure that kewlJ is a Liberal and not a Conservative.
Did anyone actually believe that kewlJ was a Conservative??
kewlJ is always the first member to cry to Dan Druff and beg for Banning Members when he sees foul play.
Only Dan Druff knows how many times kewlJ has complained through PMs.
He, Redietz and others think this forum is a Hate Speech Forum.
It certainly is not!
This forum resembles real world interactions and conversations.
The problem for most people is it is too realistic for them.
It seems the SJWs and the Internet Police want some fairy tale internet when it comes to forums.
They constantly make new rules of what people can say or post.
One Forum I belong to is getting so bad they have banned the word: Boomer.
For the time being, the Thought Police do not reign supreme at VCT.
Heil Witchmer!!

[jbjb]

I think Sabre makes a valid point. It is a fact that Dan Druff owns and runs a forum, where hate, trolling and personal attacks is not only tolerated, but welcome.

This place is tame compared to his PFA.

[kewlJ]

Now we know for sure that kewlJ is a Liberal and not a Conservative.
Did anyone actually believe that kewlJ was a Conservative??

I am the real conservative. You are the phony. You Trump-worshipers allowed Trump, a life long democrat to hijack your party and fell in line. Trump is not a conservative, nor a republican, spending a lifetime opposing conservative values and principals.

You people, you Trump worshipers have perverted conservatism and the republican party in the same manner that Islamic Extremists perverted the Islam Religion. You are so consumed with the bigotry of demonizing anyone different than you, anyone who looks different, prays differently, talks differently, thinks differently or loves differently than you that you have forgotten or abandoned what real conservatism is about.

Nothing about Trumpism is about conservative values. Everything Trump says and does is about one thing...Donald Trump. Unfortunately because you spineless puppets allowed this ego maniac nut job to hijack the republican conservative party, the only way out, the only way back is to tear it down completely and rebuild from scratch. And that is the phase we are into now.

The Dems are going to win everything, The House, Senate, including seats they have no business winning and the presidency, including states they have no business winning. And they will control everything and god knows the damage they will do. All because you sheep, allowed this hijack. The only saving grace is the Dems will only be in control for 4 years, probably 2 years for congress, so hopefully they cant do too much damage, and then a rebuild conservative party can take back the soul of the United States.

[monet]

Posted at WoV from Redietz

https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gamb...er-discuss/13/

With all due respect, it's (VegasCasinoTalk) become an alt-right site.
That's not an insult; it's a definition.
I'm not sure if it's been listed specifically as a hate site, but I think kewlJ mentioned that it made some organization's list.
You might want to check with him.

That doesn't change what Todd has done from a poker integrity perspective.
But it also doesn't change the alt-rightness of it.
I mean, if you want, I can report it myself and see if it's considered alt-right from a governmental perspective.

In fact, I'll do that.

Now Redietz has gone Full Nazi with "See Something Say Something" and his reporting to Government Agencies!
Long Live Big Brother!

[dannyj]

I think Sabre makes a valid point. It is a fact that Dan Druff owns and runs a forum, where hate, trolling and personal attacks is not only tolerated, but welcome. He takes pride in it. He apparently finds that kind of thing enjoyable. And that is his right. But lets be honest, this is no longer has any semblance of a gambling forum. It is a troll, name calling, as Dan himself stated in his welcome to Darkoz, "anything goes" forum, reminiscent of 3rd grade recess period.

So when a serious discussion comes along, Dan doesn't have the right, nor should he expect this forum or his thoughts to be taken seriously. He has forfeited that right, that standing in the AP/Gambling community by the joke of a forum he runs. Almost the same exact thing occurred a few weeks ago in the blackjack AP community. Zengrifter, a long time member of the blackjack community and someone who has some knowledge and experiences with blackjack AP play, was recently banned from the last remaining blackjack forum. Very similarly, Zengrifter operates a forum, that allows much the same kind of hate and attacks, some of it illegal. And Zengrifter could just no longer be taken seriously because of it. Our own BoSox even took a stand, not long ago, refusing to participate at the blackjack forum, while Zengrifter was a member. You just can't run a joke of a forum and expect to be taken seriously.

And to a lesser extent, all of us that participate here, fall victims to that. How can anyone on a legitimate gambling/AP forum take any of us seriously that post here and engage in nothing but trolling and attacks? It just can't be both ways.

Now we know for sure that kewlJ is a Liberal and not a Conservative.
Did anyone actually believe that kewlJ was a Conservative??
kewlJ is always the first member to cry to Dan Druff and beg for Banning Members when he sees foul play.
Only Dan Druff knows how many times kewlJ has complained through PMs.
He, Redietz and others think this forum is a Hate Speech Forum.
It certainly is not!
This forum resembles real world interactions and conversations.
The problem for most people is it is too realistic for them.
It seems the SJWs and the Internet Police want some fairy tale internet when it comes to forums.
They constantly make new rules of what people can say or post.
One Forum I belong to is getting so bad they have banned the word: Boomer.
For the time being, the Thought Police do not reign supreme at VCT.
Heil Witchmer!!

KJ is a fiscal conservative. Which means he should be appalled at Pelosi’s new 3 trillion dollar, naked money grab of a relief bill. But I won’t put words in his mouth.

[The Boz]

Posted at WoV from Redietz

https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gamb...er-discuss/13/

With all due respect, it's (VegasCasinoTalk) become an alt-right site.
That's not an insult; it's a definition.
I'm not sure if it's been listed specifically as a hate site, but I think kewlJ mentioned that it made some organization's list.
You might want to check with him.

That doesn't change what Todd has done from a poker integrity perspective.
But it also doesn't change the alt-rightness of it.
I mean, if you want, I can report it myself and see if it's considered alt-right from a governmental perspective.

In fact, I'll do that.

Now Redietz has gone Full Nazi with "See Something Say Something" and his reporting to Government Agencies!
Long Live Big Brother!

Glad I finally saw through this assclown, admittedly it look me too long.

Guess I missed all the Physical threats made here toward the government or others. What about you Monet? You find all the threats?

You are a true piece of shit RED but at least you finally proved it instead of myself and others saying it. Or is that considered Alt Right hate speech.

So who is reporting the Wizard and the Serbs for running a Far Left, anti Trump hate site?

By the way, it’s now nice to know your “girlfriends” people are responsible for the Virus. Yea, I know she’s Japanese, not Chinese. But on a hate site like this they are all the same to “us” alt righters.

[monet]

Another WoV Redietz Quote

https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gamb...er-discuss/13/

I don't want to get off topic here, but when a site (VCT) allows the topic of this thread to discuss "slant-eyed noodle slurpers" as the reason he won't go into certain casinos in LV, then it's moving into hate territory pretty convincingly.

Full disclosure: my girlfriend is of Japanese ethnicity.

It's one reason "Singer" is so popular these days.

My wife is from Hong Kong and her side of our family are all Cantonese Speaking Hong Kong People.
They refer to themselves as Hong Kong People or Chinese but not from China and they hate Communist (Red) China (Government).
Most of them are prejudice against Filipinos for some odd reason.

"slant-eyed noodle slurpers" does not offend them or me.
They call me Round Eye and Gweilo all the time.
Fucking Gay Activists are so Fucking Sensitive.
Can't handle a little Slant Eyed Noodle or Chink Talk.
Years ago everyone was calling each other Retarded or Retards.
These days that word is offensive or banned.
You might consider the word Idiot as well as it is derogatory.
However, people still use it constantly, even the SJWs use the word Idiot.
You start banning words and eventually you have to ban all the words.

Did you know we forgave the Japanese and the Italians but never forgave the Nazis?
Japan actually bombed us on American Soil!
Did the Nazis ever attack America on its homeland?
Serious Question as I am not sure.
I do not condone or agree with the Nazis but if you are gonna forgive the Japs and the Wops you have to forgive the Nazis.
Of course we did forgive the Jerry's as we helped rebuild Germany to a Super Power and they have had the 5th to 11th largest Army in the World for years now.

[House of Orange]

KJ, regarding you getting down in the mud with the pigs of this forum, has damaged your reputation seriously! I suppose that you really believe that shit and it is truly scary. Let me remind you that with the extended long history that you have, you do not take a backseat to anyone by a long shot. Now kindly apologize to all the Vegas Casino Talk membership.

Not holding my breath for an apology, deserved as it is.

[kewlJ]

KJ is a fiscal conservative. Which means he should be appalled at Pelosi’s new 3 trillion dollar, naked money grab of a relief bill. But I won’t put words in his mouth.

Well wait a minute now! Am I getting money from it?

I am "against" it. I was against the first CARES act and the second and the 2.5 and 3.5 that followed....in principal. For the life of me I can't figure out why people on social security are getting anything. They are the one group who are least effected. Their income is and has remained constant. Also self employed and "gig" workers should not be getting unemployment. And I say this as I am still waiting for my unemployment of which I am still being told I am eligible. When one decides to be self employed in whatever matter that entails, he or she takes on the responsibility of unemployment and sick days, vacation days, retirement savings. That is part of that decision. So no one should be getting that, including me.

Extra unemployment ($600) a week?? Are you kidding me? You are creating a situation where many people can earn more, even substantially more for low income workers by staying home. That is NOT the America I believe in. Might be Bernie or Andrew Yang's. But again, I am waiting for my extra $600 a week.

So that is my basic beliefs. BUT, this is a rather unusual situation. With everyone thrust out of work, and probably the bottom 60% not having savings that can hold them 2 weeks, you will have looting and rioting for food if you don't do something. So I don't know what the answer is. Maybe extra food stamp benefits for those most at need, especially families with children. Maybe some other support that I wouldn't normally be in favor of for lower income (again, especially families). And on a very temporary basis, for this extreme situation. But throwing 3, 4, 5, 6 trillion dollars at everyone, including myself....Hell yeah I am opposed.

Now hold on a sec while I check my unemployment debit card for funds. Nope, no funds yet, so I am still opposed!

[monet]

What about you Monet? You find all the threats?

He'd (Redietz) report us at once to some kind of outback Nazi law enforcement agency and they'll run us down like dogs.

-Raoul Duke- Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas

[dannyj]

KJ is a fiscal conservative. Which means he should be appalled at Pelosi’s new 3 trillion dollar, naked money grab of a relief bill. But I won’t put words in his mouth.

Well wait a minute now! Am I getting money from it?

I am "against" it. I was against the first CARES act and the second and the 2.5 and 3.5 that followed....in principal. For the life of me I can't figure out why people on social security are getting anything. They are the one group who are least effected. Their income is and has remained constant. Also self employed and "gig" workers should not be getting unemployment. And I say this as I am still waiting for my unemployment of which I am still being told I am eligible. When one decides to be self employed in whatever matter that entails, he or she takes on the responsibility of unemployment and sick days, vacation days, retirement savings. That is part of that decision. So no one should be getting that, including me.

Extra unemployment ($600) a week?? Are you kidding me? You are creating a situation where many people can earn more, even substantially more for low income workers by staying home. That is NOT the America I believe in. Might be Bernie or Andrew Yang's. But again, I am waiting for my extra $600 a week.

So that is my basic beliefs. BUT, this is a rather unusual situation. With everyone thrust out of work, and probably the bottom 60% not having savings that can hold them 2 weeks, you will have looting and rioting for food if you don't do something. So I don't know what the answer is. Maybe extra food stamp benefits for those most at need, especially families with children. Maybe some other support that I wouldn't normally be in favor of for lower income (again, especially families). And on a very temporary basis, for this extreme situation. But throwing 3, 4, 5, 6 trillion dollars at everyone, including myself....Hell yeah I am opposed.

Now hold on a sec while I check my unemployment debit card for funds. Nope, no funds yet, so I am still opposed!

Not bad KJ.