The WoV Thread

[monet]

WoV sure is bending the rules for the Liberal Gay Activists.

On the quote below, Half Smoke or lilredrooster clearly insults Dan Druff.
That is fine at this forum but surely should be a suspension on Mikes board.

https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gamb...er-discuss/14/

so very true

anybody who wants to can also state that your sites suck on this board and anywhere else
they really do suck
people with disagreements over politics or strategies call each other 4 letter words
that is a pathetic way to discuss politics or strategies or anything else and reflects infantilism
somebody there thinks they're going to prove a political point by calling who they disagree with a sh.... stupid....mother.....
what a clown act

you say you make efforts to delete homophobic stuff
who are you kidding
Singer has directed a ton of that stuff to KJ
are you really going to try to say you weren't aware of it - puhleeeeeese

face reality - your sites are disasters
they will fall as they naturally should into the trash bin of history

[AxelWolf]

Axel are you fifty, or ninety? It's to the point where I am wondering if anything that transpired more than six months ago remains in your memory.

First you came and said that SiegfriedRoy was a fraud, then declared that you could not remember why.

PokerGrinder....
PokerGrinder posted about his struggles with mental illness at WOV. Not just once, more than once. I saw him post it, it went right by you.

Then I quoted what PG said, and you were surprised to see it, as if you were seeing it for the first time.

You then asked him about it, and seemed surprised a second time, when he told you directly that he had struggled with depression for years.

And now it's like none of the above happened, and we are back to square one. And you are ready to be surprised again, a third time, over something that has already been discussed.

Based on what I see, there is absolutely no way you could have ever counted cards or counted or tracked anything even remotely complex - you can't even keep track of anything that happened in your own world. I assume that six months from now, you won't remember any of this, either.

Do you want me to find the discussions you yourself had with PokerGrinder over his depression or does any of this ring a bell?


Anyway, from what I understand, PokerGrinder is clinically depressed - meaning that he takes psych meds.

Said the guy who has a delusion of grandeur disorder. If he is taking psych meds they seem to work quite well. I think you might want to take yours much, much more often and up the dosage considerably, considering all the swanky puke you spew all over the forums on a constant basis.

[mickeycrimm]

A long term assclown, sorry member, Sabre look a shot at Dan and this forum over there.

Like Broke Billy, he is certainly welcome to come over here and post. But again of course he won’t.

If there is any justice, he should be suspended for an insult against a member in good standing at WoV, Dan Druff.

I think Sabre makes a valid point. It is a fact that Dan Druff owns and runs a forum, where hate, trolling and personal attacks is not only tolerated, but welcome. He takes pride in it. He apparently finds that kind of thing enjoyable. And that is his right. But lets be honest, this is no longer has any semblance of a gambling forum. It is a troll, name calling, as Dan himself stated in his welcome to Darkoz, "anything goes" forum, reminiscent of 3rd grade recess period.

So when a serious discussion comes along, Dan doesn't have the right, nor should he expect this forum or his thoughts to be taken seriously. He has forfeited that right, that standing in the AP/Gambling community by the joke of a forum he runs. Almost the same exact thing occurred a few weeks ago in the blackjack AP community. Zengrifter, a long time member of the blackjack community and someone who has some knowledge and experiences with blackjack AP play, was recently banned from the last remaining blackjack forum. Very similarly, Zengrifter operates a forum, that allows much the same kind of hate and attacks, some of it illegal. And Zengrifter could just no longer be taken seriously because of it. Our own BoSox even took a stand, not long ago, refusing to participate at the blackjack forum, while Zengrifter was a member. You just can't run a joke of a forum and expect to be taken seriously.

And to a lesser extent, all of us that participate here, fall victims to that. How can anyone on a legitimate gambling/AP forum take any of us seriously that post here and engage in nothing but trolling and attacks? It just can't be both ways.

KJ, you should quit this forum forever. And take your "fuck freedom of speech" attitude with you.

[mickeycrimm]

Now we know for sure that kewlJ is a Liberal and not a Conservative.
Did anyone actually believe that kewlJ was a Conservative??

I am the real conservative. You are the phony. You Trump-worshipers allowed Trump, a life long democrat to hijack your party and fell in line. Trump is not a conservative, nor a republican, spending a lifetime opposing conservative values and principals.

You people, you Trump worshipers have perverted conservatism and the republican party in the same manner that Islamic Extremists perverted the Islam Religion. You are so consumed with the bigotry of demonizing anyone different than you, anyone who looks different, prays differently, talks differently, thinks differently or loves differently than you that you have forgotten or abandoned what real conservatism is about.

Nothing about Trumpism is about conservative values. Everything Trump says and does is about one thing...Donald Trump. Unfortunately because you spineless puppets allowed this ego maniac nut job to hijack the republican conservative party, the only way out, the only way back is to tear it down completely and rebuild from scratch. And that is the phase we are into now.

The Dems are going to win everything, The House, Senate, including seats they have no business winning and the presidency, including states they have no business winning. And they will control everything and god knows the damage they will do. All because you sheep, allowed this hijack. The only saving grace is the Dems will only be in control for 4 years, probably 2 years for congress, so hopefully they cant do too much damage, and then a rebuild conservative party can take back the soul of the United States.

I'm sure you all remember KJ's solution to the Trump problem in 2016. Elect Hillary then get to work rebuilding the republican party. His solution for 2020 is elect Biden then get to work rebuilding the republican party. His solution in 2024 will be to vote for the dem then get to work rebuilding the republican party. Same solution for 2028, etc.

No way this guy is a republican.

[MDawg]

Axel - I'd say something but - why? You'll forget anything anyone says soon enough anyway! If your memory is this bad now, as your attorney I'd recommend a lifelong anti-inflammatory diet immediately to stave off that Alzheimer's that seems inevitable for you. Being serious here not joking with you it's scary how bad your memory is.


Wait a - hold on a - minute - now.

You mean that simply for saying <<Maybe if you really were an AP it would.>> to DarkOz got Keyser suspended? How many WOV members have stated that I could not possibly be winning at Baccarat, even after I posted videos of me logged into my casino player accounts to substantiate the exact wins claimed?

Why is merely implying that DarkOz - who has posted zero corroboration for anything he has done - is lying, a suspension worthy offense, while stating that MDawg is "bullshitting" "writing fiction" etc. which are the much stronger words others have used in post against me, not a suspension worthy offense?

As House of Orange / DeMango has said, "The unequal justice is breathtaking."

When I posted this, someone came back with:

<<Mdawg the reason is because mostly the people on that site are the polar opposite of your tag line you have on your forum handle/name. From memory it’s something like I’m just happy to be here with you it great life etc.
—Sadly many people are unhappy, are resentful of others successes, are just nasty for the sake of their own unfulfilled life. Sometimes I think it’s envy as well and the frustration of being unable to say you know what I’m wrong. The mathematics says it cannot be done but here are people that can do something, you know what I will have an open mind . No they cannot because they have dug themselves in to deep and that resentment just keeps snowballing. They accused you of being egotistical at some point when in fact it’s their egos that cause the problem there. IMHO
-You be you mdawg don’t worry about those clowns. When you go to sleep at night it’s your head on your pillow not theirs.
Love your work mdawg
Cheers>>

[The Boz]

Simple shout out to Axel for calling RED out on new found issues with this forum. He had no issues here for years and bashed WoV and the Wiz himself.

Now he is being called out on here for his taking joy in CV deaths and fear mongering. Now suddenly it’s an Alt Right site and no one ever insulted anyone in the past until recently.

Axel only stated the obvious, but it needed to be said.

[dannyj]

Now we know for sure that kewlJ is a Liberal and not a Conservative.
Did anyone actually believe that kewlJ was a Conservative??

I am the real conservative. You are the phony. You Trump-worshipers allowed Trump, a life long democrat to hijack your party and fell in line. Trump is not a conservative, nor a republican, spending a lifetime opposing conservative values and principals.

You people, you Trump worshipers have perverted conservatism and the republican party in the same manner that Islamic Extremists perverted the Islam Religion. You are so consumed with the bigotry of demonizing anyone different than you, anyone who looks different, prays differently, talks differently, thinks differently or loves differently than you that you have forgotten or abandoned what real conservatism is about.

Nothing about Trumpism is about conservative values. Everything Trump says and does is about one thing...Donald Trump.

KJ, you said once that you voted for Trump in the primary but not the general. So, you liked what he was saying enough to select him over 16 other candidates in the primary, but then you didn't like him enough to vote for him against Hillary??? That does not sound like a real conservative.

[BoSox]

Now we know for sure that kewlJ is a Liberal and not a Conservative.
Did anyone actually believe that kewlJ was a Conservative??

I am the real conservative. You are the phony. You Trump-worshipers allowed Trump, a life long democrat to hijack your party and fell in line. Trump is not a conservative, nor a republican, spending a lifetime opposing conservative values and principals.

You people, you Trump worshipers have perverted conservatism and the republican party in the same manner that Islamic Extremists perverted the Islam Religion. You are so consumed with the bigotry of demonizing anyone different than you, anyone who looks different, prays differently, talks differently, thinks differently or loves differently than you that you have forgotten or abandoned what real conservatism is about.

Nothing about Trumpism is about conservative values. Everything Trump says and does is about one thing...Donald Trump.

KJ, you said once that you voted for Trump in the primary but not the general. So, you liked what he was saying enough to select him over 16 other candidates in the primary, but then you didn't like him enough to vote for him against Hillary??? That does not sound like a real conservative.

dannyJ, that primary vote was all about his attraction to Trump. The general election was all about Hillary the victim who was married to a sex fiend, but, still she defended his actions.

[kewlJ]

KJ, you said once that you voted for Trump in the primary but not the general. So, you liked what he was saying enough to select him over 16 other candidates in the primary, but then you didn't like him enough to vote for him against Hillary??? That does not sound like a real conservative.

Everything you say is true, dannyj. I liked Trump or at least the idea of Trump in the primary or caucuses here in Nevada. Enough that I spent 2 hour of my time participating in the stupid caucus style voting. And by the way, I got to do that because I am a registered republican Mickey. Just because I don't like or vote for who YOU like, doesn't make me any less of a republican. You are free to vote for who you like, but you don't get to decide for me.

When I say "the idea" of Trump, I mean sort of liked the idea of an outsider, a businessman. And I was against the idea of coronating another Bush. I sort of liked Marco, but he came a little ungluded when it was pointed out that he simply repeated the same message word for word like a kid who memorized a speech. I think Marco will have another shot. And I like Nicky Haley. I think she will have a say in the new republican party going forward.

So yeah, Nevada caucuses are very early in the process, just after, Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina. So I was still voting against the idea of Jeb Bush and willing to give an outsider businessman a chance. But it didn't take long, even way before the general election, still in the primary season, that I regretted that decision. It just became very clear, very quickly that Trump was not presidential material and that everything he does is about Trump, not about America. Trump is a conman, nothing more. Almost everything he does is a con and getting himself elected the biggest con. I mean you almost have to give him credit for that, if the stakes weren't so high.

And yes, I did vote for Hillary Clinton. I wont throw my vote away on a third party candidate and unfortunately, in the General election we have two choices. By that point I was convinced Trump was not qualified to be president, so I voted against him, rather than for anyone else. The country could have survived 4 years of Hillary, with a republican Senate putting checks on her. But many wont and haven't survived 4 years of Trump. And yes, that is a shot of his handling of this pandemic.

I don't blame Trump for the pandemic, but I blame him for response, or lack of, especially early, when in usual Trump fashion, he was in denial. "15 cases will be down to zero in two weeks". "It will be gone by April". Unbelievably slow with the testing which is the only way to get ahead of this virus. For the first time in a truly World crisis, the USA under Donald Trump wasn't there to lead, but reduced to a bit player making all the wrong choices and paying the price. We look like and have the results of a third world nation. He didn't make America great again, he made American weak and vulnerable. And then in typical Trump fashion, blamed it on everyone and anyone else. He is blaming Obama. You don't get to blame the last administration when you are 3.5 years into your presidency. You had ample time to fix whatever needed to be fixed. It is your responsibility now.

Trump has failed as a president as it became obvious even before he was elected that he would. History will record him as one of the worst. And I will vote against him, even if it means I have to Vote for Joe Biden, who, because of his declining mental state is not even qualified to run for President. And he probably is going to pick someone totally unqualified to be vice president like Stacy Abrahams. And She may very well become president in the next 4 years. And as bad as that would be, we can survive that. But I don't believe we as a country can survive 4 more years of Donald Trump.

[dannyj]

KJ, you said once that you voted for Trump in the primary but not the general. So, you liked what he was saying enough to select him over 16 other candidates in the primary, but then you didn't like him enough to vote for him against Hillary??? That does not sound like a real conservative.

Everything you say is true, dannyj. I liked Trump or at least the idea of Trump in the primary or caucuses here in Nevada. Enough that I spent 2 hour of my time participating in the stupid caucus style voting. And by the way, I got to do that because I am a registered republican Mickey. Just because I don't like or vote for who YOU like, doesn't make me any less of a republican. You are free to vote for who you like, but you don't get to decide for me.

When I say "the idea" of Trump, I mean sort of liked the idea of an outsider, a businessman. And I was against the idea of coronating another Bush. I sort of liked Marco, but he came a little ungluded when it was pointed out that he simply repeated the same message word for word like a kid who memorized a speech. I think Marco will have another shot. And I like Nicky Haley. I think she will have a say in the new republican party going forward.

So yeah, Nevada caucuses are very early in the process, just after, Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina. So I was still voting against the idea of Jeb Bush and willing to give an outsider businessman a chance. But it didn't take long, even way before the general election, still in the primary season, that I regretted that decision. It just became very clear, very quickly that Trump was not presidential material and that everything he does is about Trump, not about America. Trump is a conman, nothing more. Almost everything he does is a con and getting himself elected the biggest con. I mean you almost have to give him credit for that, if the stakes weren't so high.

And yes, I did vote for Hillary Clinton. I wont throw my vote away on a third party candidate and unfortunately, in the General election we have two choices. By that point I was convinced Trump was not qualified to be president, so I voted against him, rather than for anyone else. The country could have survived 4 years of Hillary, with a republican Senate putting checks on her. But many wont and haven't survived 4 years of Trump. And yes, that is a shot of his handling of this pandemic.

I don't blame Trump for the pandemic, but I blame him for response, or lack of, especially early, when in usual Trump fashion, he was in denial. "15 cases will be down to zero in two weeks". "It will be gone by April". Unbelievably slow with the testing which is the only way to get ahead of this virus. For the first time in a truly World crisis, the USA under Donald Trump wasn't there to lead, but reduced to a bit player making all the wrong choices and paying the price. We look like and have the results of a third world nation. He didn't make America great again, he made American weak and vulnerable. And then in typical Trump fashion, blamed it on everyone and anyone else. He is blaming Obama. You don't get to blame the last administration when you are 3.5 years into your presidency. You had ample time to fix whatever needed to be fixed. It is your responsibility now.

Trump has failed as a president as it became obvious even before he was elected that he would. History will record him as one of the worst. And I will vote against him, even if it means I have to Vote for Joe Biden, who, because of his declining mental state is not even qualified to run for President. And he probably is going to pick someone totally unqualified to be vice president like Stacy Abrahams. And She may very well become president in the next 4 years. And as bad as that would be, we can survive that. But I don't believe we as a country can survive 4 more years of Donald Trump.

KJ, while you were blaming Trump for his response to CV, you didn't mention Trump imposed travel restrictions from China into the United States on Jan. 31.

But anyhow, that's all fine and you have your opinion. My opinion is it's hard to call yourself the real conservative when faced with the choice of Trump v Hillary, or Trump v Biden.

Look at their platforms side by side. There's nothing conservative in the democrats platform.

You say, "as bad as that would be" regarding a democrat pres., so at least you see that much. Prior to COVID 19 no one was saying we as a country cannot survive 4 more years of Donald Trump, unless they hated capitalism and prosperity.

[mickeycrimm]

KJ, you said once that you voted for Trump in the primary but not the general. So, you liked what he was saying enough to select him over 16 other candidates in the primary, but then you didn't like him enough to vote for him against Hillary??? That does not sound like a real conservative.

Everything you say is true, dannyj. I liked Trump or at least the idea of Trump in the primary or caucuses here in Nevada. Enough that I spent 2 hour of my time participating in the stupid caucus style voting. And by the way, I got to do that because I am a registered republican Mickey. Just because I don't like or vote for who YOU like, doesn't make me any less of a republican. You are free to vote for who you like, but you don't get to decide for me.

When I say "the idea" of Trump, I mean sort of liked the idea of an outsider, a businessman. And I was against the idea of coronating another Bush. I sort of liked Marco, but he came a little ungluded when it was pointed out that he simply repeated the same message word for word like a kid who memorized a speech. I think Marco will have another shot. And I like Nicky Haley. I think she will have a say in the new republican party going forward.

So yeah, Nevada caucuses are very early in the process, just after, Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina. So I was still voting against the idea of Jeb Bush and willing to give an outsider businessman a chance. But it didn't take long, even way before the general election, still in the primary season, that I regretted that decision. It just became very clear, very quickly that Trump was not presidential material and that everything he does is about Trump, not about America. Trump is a conman, nothing more. Almost everything he does is a con and getting himself elected the biggest con. I mean you almost have to give him credit for that, if the stakes weren't so high.

And yes, I did vote for Hillary Clinton. I wont throw my vote away on a third party candidate and unfortunately, in the General election we have two choices. By that point I was convinced Trump was not qualified to be president, so I voted against him, rather than for anyone else. The country could have survived 4 years of Hillary, with a republican Senate putting checks on her. But many wont and haven't survived 4 years of Trump. And yes, that is a shot of his handling of this pandemic.

I don't blame Trump for the pandemic, but I blame him for response, or lack of, especially early, when in usual Trump fashion, he was in denial. "15 cases will be down to zero in two weeks". "It will be gone by April". Unbelievably slow with the testing which is the only way to get ahead of this virus. For the first time in a truly World crisis, the USA under Donald Trump wasn't there to lead, but reduced to a bit player making all the wrong choices and paying the price. We look like and have the results of a third world nation. He didn't make America great again, he made American weak and vulnerable. And then in typical Trump fashion, blamed it on everyone and anyone else. He is blaming Obama. You don't get to blame the last administration when you are 3.5 years into your presidency. You had ample time to fix whatever needed to be fixed. It is your responsibility now.

Trump has failed as a president as it became obvious even before he was elected that he would. History will record him as one of the worst. And I will vote against him, even if it means I have to Vote for Joe Biden, who, because of his declining mental state is not even qualified to run for President. And he probably is going to pick someone totally unqualified to be vice president like Stacy Abrahams. And She may very well become president in the next 4 years. And as bad as that would be, we can survive that. But I don't believe we as a country can survive 4 more years of Donald Trump.

Dude, we are going to be shoving the Trumps up your ass for years to come. Trump in 2020. Trump Jr. in 2024 and 2028. Get used to it, lefty. I don't buy your lame excuse for voting for Hillary. You voted for her because you are a good lefty.

[mickeycrimm]

Redietz has stooped to a new low. There are as many leftys as there are rightys on VCT. The lefts argument is heard with regularity. What redietz does not like is those on the right calling so much of it fake news. To alt-lefty's like redeitz it is not fake news, it's news that, though it is not honest, is much better for the masses to read. After all, alt-lefty's like redietz are so much smarter than everyone and knows what is good for us.

Having said that, we now must acknowledge that for years redietz openly and willingly participated on VCT where Rob Singer was the main poster. For years redietz openly and willingly traded countless posts with Rob. For all his accusations that Rob is a troll redietz openly and willingly trolled members of this site.

If redietz wants to show some contrition for his, in the eyes of WoV members, "wrongful acts" on VCT then he should publicly apologize to them for his regrettable behavior.

And it should be pointed out that in calling VCT an alt-right site redeitz violated the no political discussion rule at WoV. Per the martingale he should get at least 7 days.

If a member would have referred to another site as alt-left you can bet your ass the lefty's like darkie, brokebill, and littlepinkchicken, would be all over it until that member was suspended.

[The Boz]

Redietz has stooped to a new low. There are as many leftys as there are rightys on VCT. The lefts argument is heard with regularity. What redietz does not like is those on the right calling so much of it fake news. To alt-lefty's like redeitz it is not fake news, it's news that, though it is not honest, is much better for the masses to read. After all, alt-lefty's like redietz are so much smarter than everyone and knows what is good for us.

Having said that, we now must acknowledge that for years redietz openly and willingly participated on VCT where Rob Singer was the main poster. For years redietz openly and willingly traded countless posts with Rob. For all his accusations that Rob is a troll redietz openly and willingly trolled members of this site.

If redietz wants to show some contrition for his, in the eyes of WoV members, "wrongful acts" on VCT then he should publicly apologize to them for his regrettable behavior.

And it should be pointed out that in calling VCT an alt-right site redeitz violated the no political discussion rule at WoV. Per the martingale he should get at least 7 days.

Every day it comes more obvious that the suspension hammer only falls one way. In the past few days Dan has been insulted by 2 different people. Red brought up politics like you discussed above and nothing happened. For all the bitching about Babs by some, she would suspend liberals for breaking the rules. The Wiz doesn’t have the stomach for it and Face is long gone. That leaves OD who doesn’t seem interested either.

But Keyser and DeMango step out of Line and they are suspended immediately.

I do like the fact that RED is finally showing his true colors.

[The Boz]

Broke Billy still being a baby wining about how deadly the virus is. YES Billy, you should stay in. You are high risk because while it’s not listed as a high risk group in itself, morbid obesity breeds a lot of other issues that are high risk.

Please Billy, come over here and enlighten all of us with your wisdom. We need someone to replace Robert E Lee who can long be involved with an alt right site he is reporting to the government. I’m sure they are jumping right on that one.

[MDawg]

lilredrooster is one of the weakest minded forum members at WOV. His posts sometimes positively seethe with jealousy and envy directed against anyone who's doing it, and at the same time, he generally offers nothing of note. Michael99000 is another ugly who often can't stand seeing anyone else win.

It is interesting that this lilredrooster thread popped up at WOV about asking the Wizard to corroborate MDawg's wins. Actually I am the one and only person in the HISTORY of the WOV forum who has posted ANY evidence whatsoever to back up claims. I posted videos of me logged into my casino accounts showing the exact amounts won which corroborated the exact amounts that I had been claiming that I had won over a two year period of WOV posts. It's not just that these win/loss statements corroborate that I won - it's that they "happen" to match the exact figures of wins I have been posting about for two years.

If you tell the truth, you don't have to remember anything.

[BoSox]

KJ is a fiscal conservative. Which means he should be appalled at Pelosi’s new 3 trillion dollar, naked money grab of a relief bill. But I won’t put words in his mouth.

For the life of me I can't figure out why people on social security are getting anything. They are the one group who are least effected. Their income is and has remained constant.

KJ, that is not a true statement. While the government has been borrowing all this money in conjunction with the Federal Reserve lowering interest rates to zero. Millions of seniors who collect social security, many also supplement their income with interest earned through investing in stable value money market funds which many count and live on that extra support. When most of that interest is no longer coming in, many seniors are forced to withdraw principal to live on.

[The Boz]

Just noticed Sabre is in red and suspended for 3 days for his attack on Dan and this site. Note the weakly Wizard made no comment on it, just put it on the list.

He must hVe missed RED’s attack on Dan and this site as well.

[kewlJ]

KJ, that is not a true statement. While the government has been borrowing all this money in conjunction with the Federal Reserve lowering interest rates to zero. Millions of seniors who collect social security, many also supplement their income with interest earned through investing in stable value money market funds which many count and live on that extra support. When most of that interest is no longer coming in, many seniors are forced to withdraw principal to live on.

Fair enough BoSox. Also, as I have mentioned several times in the past few weeks, prices, especially food prices have risen dramatically and that effects us all.

I tried very hard to convey that seniors weren't unaffected (<- double negative ). But compared to a lot of people who suddenly lost their incomes completely they are less effected because their main income social security and whatever pension they might have still should be coming in unaffected, No?

If the purpose of this money is 2 fold as some say, with the second part being stimulus, I am not opposed to people on SS getting a bump or one time payment of some amount. But I am not sure it should be the same as a working mother and father, who have had ALL their income instantaneously disappear.

It goes back to what I said yesterday. I am not opposed to some relief, to help some of the many people that have zero savings, and live week to week. If we don't help these people through this extraordinary crisis, you invite looting and hijacking of trucks on their way to market. No body wants that.

But maybe people that still have income or have some money put away for a raining day should have to dig into some of that. And that is me, included. That is why we responsibly prepare for a rainy day.

[Bob21]

It goes back to what I said yesterday. I am not opposed to some relief, to help some of the many people that have zero savings, and live week to week. If we don't help these people through this extraordinary crisis, you invite looting and hijacking of trucks on their way to market. No body wants that.

Kj this statement supports my position that you are a true liberal Democrat. Your statement is right out of the liberal playbook, and it is not supported by any data.

Liberals believe crime comes from people not having enough money, so government handouts should stop crime. There is NO data to support this. In fact, the data supports the opposite. The more our country has relied on government handouts, the higher our crime rate. The United States crime rate has exploded since the 60s due to our "war on poverty", which was basically government handout programs for rewarding lazy and bad behavior.

To illustrate my point, a good case study is the great depression in the 30s. Based on liberal logic, this should have been one of the highest crime periods in our history. In fact, the opposite happened. Crime was lower during the depression. Liberals have a hard time explaining this, since this goes against everything they believe.

Crime is not caused by people not having enough. Crime is caused by people not having the right moral compass, which comes from good parents and a religious upbringing helps.

What causes crime and stealing? It's not teaching kids right from wrong at an early age. It's not bringing up kids in a religious setting where they learn morals. It's not being raised in a two family stable household where a kid has a better chance. Don't get me wrong, someone can become great and have a good moral compass growing up in a single family household, but the odds are stacked up against them.

Kj, this is only one example of one of your statements that is very liberal. I spot them everyday. So you can claim all you want you contribute to the Republican party, but your posts indicate you're a liberal, and a Democrat.

[kewlJ]

It goes back to what I said yesterday. I am not opposed to some relief, to help some of the many people that have zero savings, and live week to week. If we don't help these people through this extraordinary crisis, you invite looting and hijacking of trucks on their way to market. No body wants that.

Kj this statement supports my position that you are a true liberal Democrat. Your statement is right out of the liberal playbook, and it is not supported by any data.

Liberals believe crime comes from people not having enough money, so government handouts should stop crime. There is NO data to support this. In fact, the data supports the opposite. The more our country has relied on government handouts, the higher our crime rate. The United States crime rate has exploded since the 60s due to our "war on poverty", which was basically government handout programs for rewarding lazy and bad behavior.

To illustrate my point, a good case study is the great depression in the 30s. Based on liberal logic, this should have been one of the highest crime periods in our history. In fact, the opposite happened. Crime was lower during the depression. Liberals have a hard time explaining this, since this goes against everything they believe.

Crime is not caused by people not having enough. Crime is caused by people not having the right moral compass, which comes from good parents and a religious upbringing helps.

What causes crime and stealing? It's not teaching kids right from wrong at an early age. It's not bringing up kids in a religious setting where they learn morals. It's not being raised in a two family stable household where a kid has a better chance. Don't get me wrong, someone can become great and have a good moral compass growing up in a single family household, but the odds are stacked up against them.

Kj, this is only one example of one of your statements that is very liberal. I spot them everyday. So you can claim all you want you contribute to the Republican party, but your posts indicate you're a liberal, and a Democrat.

You are labeling and demonizing people Bob21. I guess you want a society of only people that share every beleif you have, look the way you look and worship the way you worship. That is not America Bob. See my response to you in the other thread.