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  1. #561
    Originally Posted by blackhole View Post
    Just wanted to stop in and throw my 2 cents into the cup.

    While I was a member at the WOV, I challenged any AP to meet up with me the weekend I was going to the Borgata for a poker tournament. The only person that contacted me was WON. He said he would see what’s going on that weekend and demonstrate to me his talents. We agreed to meet at the entrance to the poker room at a certain time on Saturday morning.

    I can’t bring up my pm’s from WOV, but for some reason I started going back and forth with AxelWolf. I told him who I was meeting in AC and he warned me to be careful with anyone I meet from the forums. He warned that people in person may not have good intentions in so many words. Now, looking back I can’t help but suspect Axel knew more than he was saying.

    I would never meet anyone unknown, especially from the internet anywhere that would put me in a dangerous position one on one. I was in AC with three other friends for the tournament which two were lingering across the entrance in the slot area keeping an eye on me from a safe distance. I took a photo of the time (9am) and date from my friend’s phone with the poker room in the background, and another at (10am) to confirm I was there. Obviously, he was a no show, and later said he had a flight that afternoon and didn’t think I would show up.

    Now knowing the scumbag he actually is, why would he show up? He had to realize asking me to invest in any play would have been a joke in of itself. Not knowing then what I know now about AP’ing, I was expecting him to walk into the casino and magically start pulling AP bucks out of the thin air.

    I later offered to meet up with Axel while staying in Vegas. That too was a no show, but, I understand Axels stance based on my past postings. Looking back now I also understand he must deal with plenty of these online scumbag AP’s and rightfully so should be skeptical.

    What I did find interesting about Axel, was only after offering my house to him if he was ever on the East Coast and being able to shuttle back and forth to AC in a private plane, (not mine but a friend’s plane) he soon afterwards contacted me and offered an olive branch. He was willing to exchange phone numbers and felt by having a phone call with me live he would be able to evaluate if he could trust me and if I was full of shit or not. That raised the red flags for me and in so many nice words told him without saying it, to take a walk. It was obvious he only wanted to meet up when he felt there was something to gain.

    It’s now obvious this is what AP’ing is all about. Advantage Play the casinos and any person that gets in between that could add to the advantage. Monet obviously speaks many truths, and the real scumbag alleged AP’s are the ones that deny his truths.

    After reading Bob Dancers 2-part experience with WON, he did expose several things interesting about AP’ing.

    Right off the bat he shares the bullshit and not so straight up moves like phony names, cards, sharing free play with others, etc. The risk of blowing 40K before making profit in less than two hours if variance isn’t there. Hoping he could pull off shoving cash in one machine while playing another and being able to last 6 hours (I think) before the risk of getting thrown out happens. Hoping to have another machine to play while waiting for WGs. If all his stars are aligned that day he could make up to 6K.

    If this was a good example of AP’ing professionally, you guys are more fucked up than I ever imagined. Bottom line in my view, you’re nothing but a bunch of high risk gambling hustling con artist fools. Some may be still showing profits, but appears to be nothing carved in stone for a secure future.

    Moving into my house in Nevada in a few months. I should be there often, and certainly wouldn’t want to meet up with any of you hustlers.
    First off, I would never, nor do I, believe you have access to a private plane. I'm not saying you don't, I just don't believe it to be true. And if you did, I can't even imagine you would involve me. SO, LET'S BE CLEAR, IT WAS YOUR HEALTH ISSUES THAT MADE ME WANT TO EXTEND AN OLIVE BRANCH NOT SOME PRIVATE PLANE CRAP THAT I BELIVE TO BE NONSENCE. (and even before that, going back to GF and here, if you read my posts you will see that I have always been more undertsnading with you because I realized you just didnt get it and there was a chance you could one day come to undertand AP isnt BS)

    Here is what I(I) wrote in the PM.
    09-29-2017, 09:52 AM So I wrote you a very long PM about a week ago that extended an olive branch. In that PM I said I was sorry to hear about your health issues, I'm no stranger to that, I almost didnt make it myself due to some health issues. they literally said I probably wouldn't make it overnight. It was a very long road to recovery. (I incuded some details, along with some other personal stuff).

    I included some AP information. I do talk about some AP stuff but I dont like to post it up online for the world to see.
    There are darksiders lurking and I dont want more competition learning about stuff not well known.

    I included some stuff about how I have had to deal with some freaks from WOV(long story, but one guy was fairly crazy). As to why I might be apprehensive about meeting with someone or giving out TMI. There are also some conmen out there on the forums as well.

    I was not done with the PM and figured I would finish it in the morning but something came up the next morning and I didn't have time to finish it. At some point, I accidentally closed out the window. I suck at writing, so I said fuck it, Im not going to rewrite it.

    In the PM I included my phone number. I said, feel free to call anytime and we can talk about whatever, AP or non-AP related. Personally, I myself, want to at least hear someone's voice and how they feild questions live without time to sit and think about what they are going to say and feed me BS. I can get a good sense if someone is full of shit or not talking to them on the phone or in person even online at times. I know some people who write well given time to ponder what they will say, they can google shit and rewrite it as if it were their own ideas, they even have a good reputation but they spin shit or think of the perfect things to say, people, I know first hand are twisting the truth.

    My offer stands. If you have some time and If you are interested in talking with me, I will include my number the next time we PM, assuming you would like to. We can set a time when neither of us have anything planned so we can have what will hopefully turn into a good conversation about whatever.
    "Personally, I myself, want to at least hear someone's voice and how they feild questions live without time to sit and think about what they are going to say and feed me BS. I can get a good sense if someone is full of shit or not talking to them on the phone or in person even online at times. I know some people who write well given time to ponder what they will say, they can google shit and rewrite it as if it were their own ideas, they even have a good reputation but they spin shit or think of the perfect things to say, people, I know first hand are twisting the truth."

    I think you may have felt that was for my benefit, but what I was trying to say, because you always claim I'm full of shit(not that I have ever really said anything all that questionable) Is that you could get a better sense if I was full of it.
    -----------------------
    Good Job in trying to somehow twist me being nice and feeling some sympathy( for someone that's been nothing but a jerk to me, yet I have not even really been nasty to you) with some other BS.

    Some of the spelling and punctuation was corrected to ake it an easier read.
    Last edited by AxelWolf; 03-15-2018 at 09:26 AM.

  2. #562
    Originally Posted by monet View Post
    I know nobody seems to like you William, but it's hard to refute you when you speak clear like this. I only question is it true that an exception exists? I think you have to go further than just Gamblers... it's pretty clear your statement covers almost all walks of life. Especially the worldly ones.
    I meant just that it's okay to guess at something beyond our thinking, or its processes, anyway. It's not stupid, eg, to quickly draw out a complicated geometry problem to scale, and simply measure the answer, for a multiple choice question, while the more diligent try to scribble out a solution analytically at the risk of significant mistakes; or to look at only the (extreme) boundary conditions of an applied math problem, and then use approximation techniques to work to the answer. After all, given such statements and theorems or other findings as Russell's paradox, Godel's Incompleteness Theorem, quines (computing), etc, could there be any real solution to the universe outside of a bunch of fortuitous guesses which truly "educate us beyond our intelligence"?
    78255585899=317*13723*17989=(310+7)*[(13730-7)*(100*100+7979+10)]-->LOVE avatar@137_371_179_791, or 137_371_17[3^2]_7[3^2]1, 1=V-->Ace, low. 78255585899-->99858555287=(99858555288-1)=[-1+(72*2227)*(722777-100000)]={-1+(72*2227)*[(2000+700777+20000)-100000]}-->1_722_227_277_772_1. 7×8×2×5×5×5×8×5×8×9×9=362880000=(1000000000-6√97020000-100000)-->169_721. (7/8×2/5×5/5×8/5×8/9×9)={[(-.1+.9)]^2×(6+1)}-->1961=√4*2.24; (1/7×8/2×5/5×5/8×5/8×9/9)={1/[7×(-.2+1)^2]}-->1721=[(10*10/4)/(√4+110)].

  3. #563
    Of course there is a "solution to the universe."

    How can there not be?

    We just haven't arrived there yet.

    Just give us time.
    What, Me Worry?

  4. #564
    It's interesting that Blackhole resurfaces after 4 or 5 months because he sees an opportunity to advance his anti-AP agenda.

    First he is going to group this jeff warren / strictly AP / WoN in with legitimate AP's as an example of what AP's are. Get the fuck out of here. This a-hole is no AP. He is a conman / scam artist. He is no more representative of AP's than Larry Nassar is representative of the medical profession. Nice try Blackhole!

    Secondly Blackhole wants to try to impugn Axelwolf by association to WoN. But what Blackhole accomplished was just the opposite. Even though Blackhole has repeatedly demonstrated an anti-AP agenda on these sites, Axelwolf still went out of his way to warn Blackhole as to the WoV / Strickly AP situation. Instead of impugning Axelwolf as intended, this shows Axelwolf's positive character, even when dealing with someone that doesn't deserve his help.

    The only thing you have been able to show here today Blackhole is that Axelwolf was hesitant about meeting you. AND FOR GOOD REASON....you are no friend of AP's....repeatedly demonstrating you are only out to do harm to AP's and their reputations.

    EPIC fail here today Blackhole. Climb back under your rock for another 6 months.

  5. #565
    The next time I talk to employees in the Casino who help me steal I'm gonna bring up this subject/question. I'm going to ask them directly to give me their opinion on the difference between a Legitimate AP compared to an Illegitimate AP. I mean for research in the name of Science and all. I'm sure we will have a good laugh about this idea of Legitimate AP or Legitimate whatever in all walks of life in the American Quest to accumulate the All Mighty Dollar!

  6. #566
    Originally Posted by monet View Post
    The next time I talk to employees in the Casino who help me steal I'm gonna bring up this subject/question.
    And this tells everyone all they need to know about you, Monet.

    I don't share your "anything goes in the name of pursue of the almighty dollar" mentality, nor do most AP's that I know and communicate with.

  7. #567
    Famous movie quote, oddly enough it's the Hustler Part Two or some of you know it as The Color of Money. I'm too busy to get it word for word but Eddie says something like this...

    "It's not about love or sex or booze or this or that... it's all about Money! The guy who is the best has the most."

    Something like that... I'll dig it up verbatim later.

    Don't worry KewlJ we understand your the Christian Gambler. The Gambler who sees the dealers hole card and goes to another table to play because honest APs don't do such things. As a matter of fact you call the pit boss over and those dealers telling them they need to be more aware and not be so sloppy. I know, your the guy telling everyone in the Casino how your gonna beat them fair and square... yup the Honest Gambler who beats the Casino honestly and gives everything back to the poor and needy. A true Robin Hood AP indeed!

  8. #568
    Originally Posted by monet View Post
    Famous movie quote, oddly enough it's the Hustler Part Two or some of you know it as The Color of Money. I'm too busy to get it word for word but Eddie says something like this...

    "It's not about love or sex or booze or this or that... it's all about Money! The guy who is the best has the most."

    Something like that... I'll dig it up verbatim later.

    Don't worry KewlJ we understand your the Christian Gambler. The Gambler who sees the dealers hole card and goes to another table to play because honest APs don't do such things. As a matter of fact you call the pit boss over and those dealers telling them they need to be more aware and not be so sloppy. I know, your the guy telling everyone in the Casino how your gonna beat them fair and square... yup the Honest Gambler who beats the Casino honestly and gives everything back to the poor and needy. A true Robin Hood AP indeed!
    No, I am not a "Robin Hood AP". I am in it for myself. I am just not willing to cross over into criminality in the name of "anything goes".

    And this had nothing to do with Christianity, or religion. Although I believe in God and talk to him daily, I don't particularly consider myself a religious person. What this really has to do with is upbringing. I was raised not to steal. I guess you were raised differently. You can continue to put me down for that, but that's your issue not mine.

  9. #569
    Sounds like the same group of alleged AP hustlers I left 4 months ago. Mickey always the top gun.


  10. #570
    I'm going to pipe in here. I'm not a capitalist. I agree with kewlJ on this. Monet, what you say here is true enough for hard core capitalists, but not everybody on this planet is one. People value other things.

  11. #571
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    I'm going to pipe in here. I'm not a capitalist. I agree with kewlJ on this. Monet, what you say here is true enough for hard core capitalists, but not everybody on this planet is one. People value other things.
    I am not refuting this statement. I certainly can not but when you are dealing with things like gambling, hustling, counting cards and really whatever your doing to make a buck its about the money. You try to go to the hospital and tell them you don't have insurance and no money in America and tell them you need a heart transplant or whatever... trust me... in America it usually boils down to the dollar. Usually,

    Go over there to the Mayo Clinic and find out what its really about. Sure you might be able to find a program and get everything for free but trust me that your not going to get the top notch doctors that money can buy,

    Another good example is to go out there and start asking people to help you with money. It isn't very easy your going to find a lot of no no no when you have your hand out. I know, I've done it living on the street for years in my youth. I have an interesting example about a year ago some kid knocks on my door and gives me some blah blah blah about this and that... I'm like I can give you 40 dollars if you shut up and leave me alone. He agrees and can't believe it, he says something about nobody is willing to help him. I tell him here is the money and I told you to shut up and leave me alone lol.

    Interesting note about doctors... my wife had a problem over 10 years ago with an eye infection. So no insurance and we pay cash. First doctor visit 100 dollars just to say hello plus medicine and a few other fees. The doctor says come back in a week and we will check up on you. The next week we come in and everything looks good and we pay another 100 dollars for his time which is 10 mins tops. He says... it looks great but lets make sure and come back in another week. I say ok but when we leave I tell my wife we aren't coming back to these con artists... F that... Every time we walk in the door it's a 100 smackers... F them and F the insurance companies too. I have a 45 to take care of business when I cant make it any longer.

    Now another doctor story is about my uncle and his feet. I take him to the foot doctor. They cut a little bit of skin and give him some padding and bandages. 150 bucks since they aren't associated with the VA. They say come back in a week and it will only be 90 dollars.

    Now keep telling me how good people are helping people and the dollar doesn't mean anything because not everyone is a capitalist?

    This doesn't even get into major issues... you want someone to shove a camera up your colon...3 grand
    You need to stay in the hospital overnight... I don't even know... I don't even want to know its that expensive!?

    Yeah no Capitalists here in the medical field which is supposed to be helping people get better. Where people are supposed to care about individuals over themselves and the dollar.

    Doctors aren't living in mansions and driving expensive cars and whatever... don't even get me started on how they scam the insurance and patients lol... you guys are funny!

    Let's not even get into divorce attorneys and what they do to make a buck... not that we have any of those on these boards.
    Last edited by monet; 03-15-2018 at 12:24 PM.

  12. #572
    Everyone is a capitalist. That's the way you're born and there's nothing anyone can do about it.
    The desire to be free is innate.
    Take off that stupid mask you big baby.

  13. #573
    Originally Posted by quahaug View Post
    Everyone is a capitalist. That's the way you're born and there's nothing anyone can do about it.
    The desire to be free is innate.
    You said a mouthful!

    Someone over on WoV posted up a scenario which helps illustrate what your saying I think.

    They said studies have been done with small children, something like 3, 4 and 5 years old and they would break the pinata and all this candy would fall out and how the kids would fight for the candy and of course the stronger ones got the most. They had the advantage to get more candy. They were true Candy APs.

  14. #574
    Originally Posted by monet View Post
    Interesting note about doctors... my wife had a problem over 10 years ago with an eye infection. So no insurance and we pay cash. First doctor visit 100 dollars just to say hello plus medicine and a few other fees. The doctor says come back in a week and we will check up on you. The next week we come in and everything looks good and we pay another 100 dollars for his time which is 10 mins tops. He says... it looks great but lets make sure and come back in another week. I say ok but when we leave I tell my wife we aren't coming back to these con artists... F that... Every time we walk in the door it's a 100 smackers... F them and F the insurance companies too. I have a 45 to take care of business when I cant make it any longer.
    So then, you're going to shoot your wife rather than pay to take her to see a doctor?

    Let's not even get into divorce attorneys and what they do to make a buck... not that we have any of those on these boards.
    Hey, she's in luck: tell her to email me when she figures you're about ready to pick up that .45.
    What, Me Worry?

  15. #575
    Originally Posted by MisterV View Post
    Originally Posted by monet View Post
    Interesting note about doctors... my wife had a problem over 10 years ago with an eye infection. So no insurance and we pay cash. First doctor visit 100 dollars just to say hello plus medicine and a few other fees. The doctor says come back in a week and we will check up on you. The next week we come in and everything looks good and we pay another 100 dollars for his time which is 10 mins tops. He says... it looks great but lets make sure and come back in another week. I say ok but when we leave I tell my wife we aren't coming back to these con artists... F that... Every time we walk in the door it's a 100 smackers... F them and F the insurance companies too. I have a 45 to take care of business when I cant make it any longer.
    So then, you're going to shoot your wife rather than pay to take her to see a doctor?

    Let's not even get into divorce attorneys and what they do to make a buck... not that we have any of those on these boards.
    Hey, she's in luck: tell her to email me when she figures you're about ready to pick up that .45.
    I knew some knucklehead would try to read into my statement that I would shoot my wife instead of actually reading and realizing I was talking about my own self and my own self pain with my 45. The truth is I would sell and give all I have to help my wife or family no matter what. I'd even borrow to the hilt to pay cash for their health if needed. I knew you'd have a wise crack since I brought up divorce attorneys but I expected better from you.

    I've said I'd shoot myself in the end with my own 45 over and over on this site and WoV... this is no big secret.

    I actually have some experience with modern day attorneys. They are very busy and they really don't like to touch cases that aren't slam dunks. I had an issue and my attorney made me jump through 6 hoops of going here and there to get signed documents before he would even take my 5k retainer. The judicial system is an interesting well oiled money making machine IMO.

    Lastly just so Mr V knows... everything is in my wife's name. She owns and controls almost all of it or at least a high 90% of it. She can literally throw me out on the street any time she sees fit and keep it all. Honestly IMO she deserves it all and is welcome to it at anytime... I'd gladly die for her today or any time she wants or needs it.
    Last edited by monet; 03-15-2018 at 01:38 PM.

  16. #576
    Thanks for clarifying the ambiguity; I couldn't tell if you were saying you would shoot her, yourself, or some yet to be identified crime victim.

    You're a colorful character, but I urge you to be clearer when making death threats; some folks take this shit very seriously.

    No, I'm not trying to bust your balls, I just wasn't sure what you were really saying there.
    Last edited by MisterV; 03-15-2018 at 01:19 PM.
    What, Me Worry?

  17. #577
    Unlike mexico and canada boarderig us, you cannot sue a doctor or facilty for 250 million dollars for an error. There are caps in tort law. And its not a surprise that healthcare costs less in mexico and canada.
    Previous presidents tried to reform tort law...but the lawyers woudnt have it,

    So whats wrong for a doctor to accumulate as much money as he can, because the big lawsuit where the suit is well above his insurance covers, is always just around the corner.

    I had pharmacist insurance....and the most I can get is 1 million per incident...and 2 million max per year After that they can come after my personal wealth.

    You never saw an episode of Marcus Welby where he made an error and was sued to the point where he lost his home. But in this day and age where people sue over spilled coffee, or falsely finding a severed finger in wendys chili........very large awards are given.....and who pays for these large awards????.....we do. In larger premiums for insurance, and higher costs for goods and services.

    Part of asking you back for extra visits may be scamming. But it may be a cover his ass move...because someone loses sight and heis sued for mucho dinero.

    Same for ordering lab tests......if you are paying for it ..it seems like you are being ripped off......but the md loves to cover his/her ass in the name of preventing future law suits...and often the md has no idea if u pay cash or have insurance unless you tell him/her

  18. #578
    So after that post LarryS... is it safe to say in America, dealing with the medical profession... that it is first about wealth before health?

  19. #579
    Originally Posted by monet View Post
    Yeah no Capitalists here in the medical field which is supposed to be helping people get better. Where people are supposed to care about individuals over themselves and the dollar.

    Doctors aren't living in mansions and driving expensive cars and whatever... don't even get me started on how they scam the insurance and patients lol... you guys are funny!
    Based on personal experience with doctors and dentists, I'm pretty sure most of them are sociopaths and a few are psychopaths.

  20. #580
    Originally Posted by monet View Post
    Originally Posted by MisterV View Post

    So then, you're going to shoot your wife rather than pay to take her to see a doctor?

    Let's not even get into divorce attorneys and what they do to make a buck... not that we have any of those on these boards.
    Hey, she's in luck: tell her to email me when she figures you're about ready to pick up that .45.

    Lastly just so Mr V knows... everything is in my wife's name. She owns and controls almost all of it or at least a high 90% of it. She can literally throw me out on the street any time she sees fit and keep it all. Honestly IMO she deserves it all and is welcome to it at anytime... I'd gladly die for her today or any time she wants or needs it.
    Just to clarify, and Mister V probably has more knowledge on this than me, but Nevada is a "no fault" divorce state. So even if she kicks your ass out, all income earned during the marriage and assets obtained during the marriage are split 50-50 barring child support or just an idiot judge. Doesn't matter if it's all in her name and control.

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