The WoV Thread

[coach belly]

You can't substantiate that freeplay is money won.

Maybe you feel that way but I can guarantee the money collected from Freeplay spends anywhere. And money that wasn’t in Oz or anyone that has FP pocket when they entered the casino.

Then again maybe MD feels that way too and it’s why he doesn’t push for it.

Are we considering the gaming results (win/loss) in terms of multiple small sessions, or one lifetime session?

Consider the case of a high-profile, former high-limit VP/craps player. After he drops $20K playing $5 DDB, he returns to run through the $2K freeplay generated from his last trip. Has he won money?

Can DO establish that the freeplay collected exceeds any losses incurred to generate the offers?

Assuming MDawg won $70K playing Bac last month, are you certain that he would receive freeplay based on those results and the comps received for that trip?

[The Boz]

You can't substantiate that freeplay is money won.

Maybe you feel that way but I can guarantee the money collected from Freeplay spends anywhere. And money that wasn’t in Oz or anyone that has FP pocket when they entered the casino.

Then again maybe MD feels that way too and it’s why he doesn’t push for it.

Are we considering the gaming results (win/loss) in terms of multiple small sessions, or one lifetime session?

Consider the case of a high-profile, former high-limit VP/craps player. After he drops $20K playing $5 DDB, he returns to run through the $2K freeplay generated from his last trip. Has he won money?

Can DO establish that the freeplay collected exceeds any losses incurred to generate the offers?

Assuming MDawg won $70K playing Bac last month, are you certain that he would receive freeplay based on those results and the comps received for that trip?

Absolutely a high limit baccarat player would be welcomed back with comps if they won, or lost $70k on A trip. If they won $70k, the casinos knows they risked a lot more than that.

However IF they win on every trip, almost every trip and are ahead after multiple trips when the math casinos are based on say they shouldn’t be then a closer look will be taken. Not by a host or anyone the player knows, but by security and people whose job is to notice numbers that don’t make sense.

Now we can argue how many trips that takes, or even “sessions” but but to your question a regular player winning 70k would absolutely be welcomed back.

As for the guy who drops $20k and gets 2k in FP, yes he is a net loser and simply a gambler. I feel very comfortable that is not what Dark Oz is doing.

[coach belly]

Let's try this again....

Assuming MDawg won $70K playing Bac last month, are you certain that he would receive freeplay based on those results and the comps received for that trip?

You answered...

Absolutely a high limit baccarat player would be welcomed back with comps if they won, or lost $70k on A trip.

Must we split hairs?

MDawg's claims include winning $70K and being fully comped. We can agree that the RFB is based on previous play. But he claims no offers of freeplay. Are you certain that he will be offered freeplay for a return visit after this latest trip?

Now consider this...

I have thousands of dollars of freeplay in a single day so it would be impossible for me not to win at least $1000.

Has DO established that the freeplay he collects exceeds the losses incurred to generate the offer? Would he establish that? Can he establish that?

I say no to all...he hasn't, he won't, and he can't.

What say you?

[Darkoz]

Let's try this again....



You answered...



Must we split hairs?

MDawg's claims include winning $70K and being fully comped. We can agree that the RFB is based on previous play. But he claims no offers of freeplay. Are you certain that he will be offered freeplay for a return visit after this latest trip?

Now consider this...

I have thousands of dollars of freeplay in a single day so it would be impossible for me not to win at least $1000.

Has DO established that the freeplay he collects exceeds the losses incurred to generate the offer? Would he establish that? Can he establish that?

I say no to all...he hasn't, he won't, and he can't.

What say you?

I already established precisely one method of how I did it years ago with my NY AP thread over at WOV .

So you are wrong on all counts of DO, hasn't, won't, can't

[jdaewoo]

Let's try this again....

Has DO established that the freeplay he collects exceeds the losses incurred to generate the offer? Would he establish that? Can he establish that?

I say no to all...he hasn't, he won't, and he can't.

What say you?

He's an AP. Why the fuck would he generate the freeplay if it didn't exceed the cost to generate?

Sure, sometimes shit happens and you get backed off or marketing adjusts or a pandemic, but you have to be a special kind of moron to think his freeplay doesn't greatly exceed his cost to generate.

[coach belly]

I already established precisely one method of how I did it years ago with my NY AP thread over at WOV .

I don't recall that your method was verified by any credible source.

Anyway...my question to Boz was regarding your guarantee to "win" $1000 in AC for one day during your NYE trip...and whether or not collecting freeplay qualifies as a win, unless you establish that the freeplay exceeds the loss incurred to generate the offer.

You haven't, you won't and you can't.

[coach belly]

his freeplay doesn't greatly exceed his cost to generate.

How has he established that he's an AP? With his own say so?

Why would he generate freeplay? Why does any random player generate freeplay?

I asked Boz if DO has established that the freeplay he collects exceeds his cost to generate the offer, thus qualifying freeplay as a "win".

I'll ask you the same questions since you're so interested in this...did he, would he, can he?

You've answered 3 questions with yet another question...that's especially cunty.

As far as anybody knows, he hasn't generated any freeplay.

Do you know differently? How do you know?

[Darkoz]

his freeplay doesn't greatly exceed his cost to generate.

How has he established that he's an AP? With his own say so?

Why would he generate freeplay? Why does any random player generate freeplay?

I asked Boz if DO has established that the freeplay he collects exceeds his cost to generate the offer, thus qualifying freeplay as a "win".

I'll ask you the same questions since you're so interested in this...did he, would he, can he?

You've answered 3 questions with yet another question...that's especially cunty.

As far as anybody knows, he hasn't generated any freeplay.

Do you know differently? How do you know?

You are intent on disproving claims by Advantage Players that have a mathematical basis

While simultaneously arguing MDawg has overcome million to one odds over and over again against a -ev game

It's becoming a comedy show now except it's too sad to be funny

[coach belly]

You are intent on disproving claims by Advantage Players that have a mathematical basis

While simultaneously arguing MDawg has overcome million to one odds over and over again against a -ev game

You are very confused about what's going on here.

I am neither arguing that MDawg has beaten the math, nor intent on disproving AP claims.

I advocate that members be given the opportunity to prove their claims, without being subjected to being called liars.

I encourage them, and support their every effort to do so.

Your ignorance, prejudice and insecurity prevent you from understanding my arguments.

You view yourself as a victim and under attack, and you can't get past that.

You can't recognize that you are among the many attackers, and I am among the few defenders.

Make your case without emotion, just like you play without emotion.

If math can't prove that something, then admit that it can't and move on.

Don't attack the member who prefers facts to speculation or theory.

Just look at how frustrated daewoo became, collapsing under the pressure of questions with invective and vulgarity.

She can't or won't answer direct questions, and so she calls the questioner names and motives into question.

Sound like anybody you've heard of?

[Darkoz]

You are intent on disproving claims by Advantage Players that have a mathematical basis

While simultaneously arguing MDawg has overcome million to one odds over and over again against a -ev game

You are very confused about what's going on here.

I am neither arguing that MDawg has beaten the math, nor intent on disproving AP claims.

I advocate that members be given the opportunity to prove their claims, without being subjected to being called liars.

I encourage them, and support their every effort to do so.

Your ignorance, prejudice and insecurity prevent you from understanding my arguments.

You view yourself as a victim and under attack, and you can't get past that.

You can't recognize that you are among the many attackers, and I am among the few defenders.

Make your case without emotion, just like you play without emotion.

If math can't prove that something, then admit that it can't and move on.

Don't attack the member who prefers facts to speculation or theory.

Just look at how frustrated daewoo became, collapsing under the pressure of questions with invective and vulgarity.

She can't or won't answer direct questions, and so she calls the questioner names and motives into question.

Sound like anybody you've heard of?

You have been given the math on MDawg claims and then proceeded to question it

You are not defending the truth, lol.

[Kaboom]

Just made the rounds on all of the boards again.

I cracked up when I found that resident jackass Redietz got suspended at Wov for trolling lol...........

However, as much as I can't stand the guy, I have no idea why he got suspended for saying this:

"My cousin, E.R. Dietz, came back from the dead yesterday"

How is that "trolling"??




Then over on the Wizard's dead board Diversity Tomorrow, I saw that he suspended a guy for "hate speech" after he made fun of liberals:

"If those people were dumbass libbies, they would have immediately fell to their knees with clasped hands. Then they would have pleaded with the cops and begged:

"Please don't take me to jail, massa!"
"I promise not to be a bad (mental) slave anymore, massa!"
"I will shine your shoes to make up for it, massa!"
"Please take the rest of my rights away from me too because I deserve it, massa!"

"That's what a libbie would do."

Seriously how does anyone consider that "hate speech"?? lol..........................

[coach belly]

You have been given the math on MDawg claims and then proceeded to question it

You are not defending the truth, lol.

It would be best if you can bring yourself to admit this undeniable truth...

There is no math that can disprove MDawgs claims below , which I copied directly from his challenge post:

I can confirm that all the following are true:

-I have been in Vegas continuously since very early October.

-I have won – net ahead – the exact figures as posted at TruePassage – at both of the resorts we were at before this one, and am net ahead some additional twenty grand at the moment, representing just the win at this third resort.

-That at this resort as of today, I have put in some 71 hours in play, at a 1200 average, with a theoretical loss of some seventy thousand dollars.

-That I have played almost every single day at all three resorts, pretty much every day other than check in and check out days.

-That all of the suites, room, food, beverage, and spa, have been comp’ed, to the tune of some fifty thousand dollars of comp’ed goods and services.

-That I also got a 1000 shopping spree.

Show the math to disprove any of those claims.

Take them one at a time, and take your time.

Put up or shut up.

[coach belly]

How is that "trolling"??

I'm for any reason to ban that worthless ditz, and I understand how his post is trolling.

But don't take my word for it...go to WOV and ask for clarification.

[jdaewoo]

You have been given the math on MDawg claims and then proceeded to question it

You are not defending the truth, lol.

It would be best if you can bring yourself to admit this undeniable truth...

There is no math that can disprove MDawgs claims below , which I copied directly from his challenge post:

I can confirm that all the following are true:

-I have been in Vegas continuously since very early October.

-I have won – net ahead – the exact figures as posted at TruePassage – at both of the resorts we were at before this one, and am net ahead some additional twenty grand at the moment, representing just the win at this third resort.

-That at this resort as of today, I have put in some 71 hours in play, at a 1200 average, with a theoretical loss of some seventy thousand dollars.

-That I have played almost every single day at all three resorts, pretty much every day other than check in and check out days.

-That all of the suites, room, food, beverage, and spa, have been comp’ed, to the tune of some fifty thousand dollars of comp’ed goods and services.

-That I also got a 1000 shopping spree.

Show the math to disprove any of those claims.

Take them one at a time, and take your time.

Put up or shut up.

You think you're clever with the cunty way you say things, but you aren't. You're just a cunt.

Nobody ever said these things were disprovable by math. Nobody. Not a single person. Just you. You cunt.

What is disprovable by math is MDawg/Wynn/Tasha's constant claims of winning every single session. He/She/They didn't include that bit in their challenge, but its undeniably been a claim of theirs since the dawn of this fiction.

Since they're lying about that, there's no reason to believe any of the items in this "challenge". Nobody with half a brain is going to "put up" because MDawg offered a casino employee's verification as "proof". It's been explained to you why that isn't credible, but you're too cunty to understand that.

So no, nobody needs to "shut up".

[coach belly]

nobody needs to "shut up".

Shut up and go change your tampon...you make less sense than a cunt.

[jbjb]

Jd, DO, et al;

[Darkoz]

Jd, DO, et al;

Which is precisely why I revoked his being able to take part in my WOV challenge

[coach belly]

Jd, DO, et al;

Which is precisely why I revoked his being able to take part in my WOV challenge

You never had the balls to face me.

But AC is not that big of a town, it's out of your hands.

Uh oh.

[BoSox]

You have been given the math on MDawg claims and then proceeded to question it

You are not defending the truth, lol.

It would be best if you can bring yourself to admit this undeniable truth...

There is no math that can disprove MDawgs claims below , which I copied directly from his challenge post:



[I]I can confirm that all the following are true:

-I have won – net ahead – the exact figures as posted at TruePassage – at both of the resorts we were at before this one, and am net ahead some additional twenty grand at the moment, representing just the win at this third resort.

Take them one at a time, and take your time.

Put up or shut up.

Never mind the math coach, MDawg can not confirm that he won that money so he lied when he said that he could confirm. He was playing a table game and there are no tax forms involved unless some side bet is hit. He could never confirm that he won that money to anyone's satisfaction. You already know this fact but still, you persist. Talk about stubborn. A fifty K decision based on three or four casino executive's words, please. As John McEnroe used to say you cannot be serious.

[The Boz]

Just made the rounds on all of the boards again.

I cracked up when I found that resident jackass Redietz got suspended at Wov for trolling lol...........

However, as much as I can't stand the guy, I have no idea why he got suspended for saying this:

"My cousin, E.R. Dietz, came back from the dead yesterday"

How is that "trolling"??




Then over on the Wizard's dead board Diversity Tomorrow, I saw that he suspended a guy for "hate speech" after he made fun of liberals:

"If those people were dumbass libbies, they would have immediately fell to their knees with clasped hands. Then they would have pleaded with the cops and begged:

"Please don't take me to jail, massa!"
"I promise not to be a bad (mental) slave anymore, massa!"
"I will shine your shoes to make up for it, massa!"
"Please take the rest of my rights away from me too because I deserve it, massa!"

"That's what a libbie would do."

Seriously how does anyone consider that "hate speech"?? lol..........................

You need to come back more often. You are a voice of common sense in a world mostly devoid of it.