The WoV Thread

[The Boz]

Jd, DO, et al;

Which is precisely why I revoked his being able to take part in my WOV challenge

You never had the balls to face me.

But AC is not that big of a town, it's out of your hands.

Uh oh.

What the fuck are you trying to say Coach?

AC is a big town casino wise.

Are you a stalker and saying you are going to find Dark Oz?

Looking for people in what you think is a disguise?

And then what? Confront him?

Uh oh?

Just playing your question game. But to me for what it’s worth, this “whatever” is beneath you. But I’m open to being wrong.

[kewlJ]

I am glad everyone recognizes that coach belly trolling. It is what he does. He is an instigator. He takes the contrarian position on just about everything....just to argue.

Now coach belly laid out half dozen things from MDawgs recent trip and said to take them one at a time. No, THAT is wrong. It is a cumulative thing.

If a guy plays roulette and hits black on 2 of 3 spins, is that unusual? no. He does that every day for a month and yes. He does that everyday, every time he plays, for years....most unusual. That's what we have here. And he is telling us a head of time that is what he is going to do.

Yesterday coach belly, linked to an earlier spot the MDawg thread from several months ago. I couldn't find what coach belly was claiming was at that spot (the reason for his linking to that spot), but there were two statements of MDawg saying that he would continue winning just like that going forward. That he would win just like that in the future. And then this current or just finished trip comes along and MDawg keeps winning just like he said, proving the great adventure of MDawg is a work of fiction. Just like Huckleberry Finn.

At that point you are no longer arguing whether past results are possible. And to that the evidence for such forward looking claims would be to witness MDawg's play, not some piece of paper that has the potential to be doctored about past play. And MDawg being an attorney damn well knows that and that is why he doesn't want any witnesses.

Now speaking of that, being an attorney, MDawg, speaks and writes pretty well. I have it on good authority that he frequently contacts Mike privately, making his case and requesting special treatment, as well as pointing out every slight infraction from others that may or may not be suspension worthy. Let's just call it what it is....that is the behavior of a little bitch!

So it is no wonder really that Wizard has given in to MDawgs demands, turned his back on the very math responsible for Mikes reputation of a gambling math expert by refusing to call out MDawgs claims that defy that very math. And now it appears Mike is going as far as to protect MDawg, by suspending anyone challenging MDawg at MDawgs request. This is all a re-run for me. I have seen this movie before. I am not interested in sitting through it again.

[kewlJ]

Which is precisely why I revoked his being able to take part in my WOV challenge

You never had the balls to face me.

But AC is not that big of a town, it's out of your hands.

Uh oh.

What the fuck are you trying to say Coach?

AC is a big town casino wise.

Are you a stalker and saying you are going to find Dark Oz?

Looking for people in what you think is a disguise?

And then what? Confront him?

Uh oh?

Just playing your question game. But to me for what it’s worth, this “whatever” is beneath you. But I’m open to being wrong.

Yes, coach belly is threatening Dark Oz just as he threatened me only days ago, in violation of Dan Druff's rule #4. I hope Dan has the balls to take action, but won't hold me breath.

[coach belly]

Are you saying you are going to find Dark Oz?

Yes I am going to find Dark Oz....he owes me a meet up.

[coach belly]

coach belly is threatening Dark Oz just as he threatened me only days ago, in violation of Dan Druff's rule #4.

I haven't threatened DO, nor have I threatened you.

Are we not men?

[mickeycrimm]

If MDawg said he won everyday for 30 days straight he's full of shit.

When/where did MD say/write that he won every day for 30 days straight?

That's sounds to me like the doubters' false premise.

But if we assume that he did claim to win every day for 30 days straight,
and the odds against that are a billion to one,
then if MDawg is willing to bet that he did win for 30 days straight,
and is offering to prove it and accept even money for a billion-to-one shot,
then isn't that a massive +EV bet for anyone who takes the bet?

I don't read a fucking thing MDawg writes. I'm just watching all the crazy shit going on around him. I got better things to do than waste my time on jackoffs like that.

[The Boz]

You never had the balls to face me.

But AC is not that big of a town, it's out of your hands.

Uh oh.

What the fuck are you trying to say Coach?

AC is a big town casino wise.

Are you a stalker and saying you are going to find Dark Oz?

Looking for people in what you think is a disguise?

And then what? Confront him?

Uh oh?

Just playing your question game. But to me for what it’s worth, this “whatever” is beneath you. But I’m open to being wrong.

Yes, coach belly is threatening Dark Oz just as he threatened me only days ago, in violation of Dan Druff's rule #4. I hope Dan has the balls to take action, but won't hold me breath.

Totally agree, the line was crossed when people are doxxed and others threaten to follow them. 2 incidents I remember are when you claimed someone was asking about you at an event downtown. And when someone claimed to be a lurker at a WoV gathering years ago. Both scary stuff.

Both are being creepy, but more so should be a concern to everyone. Many of us, you excluded for reasons I have said I understand multiple times, have met members on here. And I personally felt comfortable every time. But I certainly don’t want people stalking me, and this is what it appears Coach is suggesting. I’m willing to give him an out because he has never appeared to be that type until now. I know enough to believe Dark Oz, someone like you I disagreed with many times, when is says he will meet someone he believes is a decent person, he will. He made a fair offer to Coach but then DO realized it didn’t make sense.

Hopefully all this doxxing nonsense, including Tasha goes away. The only person who can do anything about it is Dan, and you are right, no one knows what he is thinking day to day.

[mickeycrimm]

The math is based on a false premise, that MDawg claims to have won each day for 30 days straight.

How can math disprove any of the claims in the current challenge (listed below) ?

I can confirm that all the following are true:

-I have been in Vegas continuously since very early October.

-I have won – net ahead – the exact figures as posted at TruePassage – at both of the resorts we were at before this one, and am net ahead some additional twenty grand at the moment, representing just the win at this third resort.

-That at this resort as of today, I have put in some 71 hours in play, at a 1200 average, with a theoretical loss of some seventy thousand dollars.

-That I have played almost every single day at all three resorts, pretty much every day other than check in and check out days.

-That all of the suites, room, food, beverage, and spa, have been comp’ed, to the tune of some fifty thousand dollars of comp’ed goods and services.

-That I also got a 1000 shopping spree.



What I have said is that MD never claimed to have beaten Baccarat in the long-term. It's possible for him to be ahead for his cumulative play up to this point...and math can't prove otherwise.

No one moves forward with a wager when one of the parties can't be trusted.

Both parties would agree that the arbiters are qualified to validate any testimony and documentation, and to abide by their decisions. That's what arbitration is all about. If you can't agree on arbiters that you can both trust, then it's a stalemate. But the idea that MDawg can organize a conspiracy to fool the arbiters is simply your fantasy, and a tactic to weasel out of giving him the opportunity to prove his claims.

I am not going to be having our little meetup

What a shocker...nobody saw that coming from the outset.

But we'll see...AC's not that big of a town, and there are limited styles available in those masks you like to wear. I'm confident I can spot one, with or without any help.

[mickeycrimm]

It's easy enough to generate a "machine win" for purposes of winning a bet. You just have an agent set up certain advantage slots for you to spin off. I once explained to coach how easy it would be to do this.

[mickeycrimm]

what better way to increase the gullible public interest and dumb board members than to enhance a particular player's trip reports exponentially? What do they have to lose? Nothing, and everything to gain by creating a hero.

I'm dismissing the scenario you concocted above as delusional.

Even if the wager was a gentlemen's bet, the doubters would claim bribery, fakery, etc, and decline to accept.

How do I know that? Because MDawg already proposed a gentlemen's bet months ago, and the doubters declined to accept.

A "gentleman's bet." Hahahahahahaha!!!! There's no such thing.

[coach belly]

But I certainly don’t want people stalking me, and this is what it appears Coach is suggesting.

Boz...I never liked you. Are you afraid of me?

[coach belly]

what better way to increase the gullible public interest and dumb board members than to enhance a particular player's trip reports exponentially? What do they have to lose? Nothing, and everything to gain by creating a hero.

I'm dismissing the scenario you concocted above as delusional.

Even if the wager was a gentlemen's bet, the doubters would claim bribery, fakery, etc, and decline to accept.

How do I know that? Because MDawg already proposed a gentlemen's bet months ago, and the doubters declined to accept.

A "gentleman's bet." Hahahahahahaha!!!! There's no such thing.

Bull fucking shit you hillbilly limp dick queer.

[monet]

lol DarkOz meeting up with random people from Internet Forums during the Deadly Plandemic.
This Challenge, Meet Up and Sit Down Dinner proves that the Coronavirus is a Scam.
So much for shelter in place.
I guess risking your life to meet up with forum members for a free dinner is worth the risk of getting Covid and Dying.
Oh, everything is ok though because DarkOz has stipulated you must wear a mask to actually meet up and spend the evening with him.
How does a person go from wearing a mask, because he is afraid of getting 86'd, to meeting up with random internet forum members?
When you watch DarkOz play in the Casino do you have to maintain a distance of 6 feet or more?

The DarkOz Challenge while the Coronavirus supposedly spikes out of control...
Happy New Year!!

https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gamb...koz-challenge/

[mickeycrimm]

You have been given the math on MDawg claims and then proceeded to question it

You are not defending the truth, lol.

It would be best if you can bring yourself to admit this undeniable truth...

There is no math that can disprove MDawgs claims below , which I copied directly from his challenge post:

I can confirm that all the following are true:

-I have been in Vegas continuously since very early October.

-I have won – net ahead – the exact figures as posted at TruePassage – at both of the resorts we were at before this one, and am net ahead some additional twenty grand at the moment, representing just the win at this third resort.

-That at this resort as of today, I have put in some 71 hours in play, at a 1200 average, with a theoretical loss of some seventy thousand dollars.

-That I have played almost every single day at all three resorts, pretty much every day other than check in and check out days.

-That all of the suites, room, food, beverage, and spa, have been comp’ed, to the tune of some fifty thousand dollars of comp’ed goods and services.

-That I also got a 1000 shopping spree.

Show the math to disprove any of those claims.

Take them one at a time, and take your time.

Put up or shut up.

Okay, so in this house he is up 20K with an average bet of $1200 but the theoretical is a 71K loss. I don't know how MD bets. Does he bet straight banker, 1.06% house edge, or straight player, 1.24% house edge. If he goes back and forth about equally then it would be an average 1.15% house edge.

1/.0115 = 87
87 X 71K = a total wager of $6,177,000.
Average bet = $1200
6,177,000/1200 = 5148

So he played about 5,150 hands.

Who can do a risk of ruin simulation on 5150 hands at a $1200 average bet? And what are the chances of being up 20K?

[mickeycrimm]

I'm dismissing the scenario you concocted above as delusional.

Even if the wager was a gentlemen's bet, the doubters would claim bribery, fakery, etc, and decline to accept.

How do I know that? Because MDawg already proposed a gentlemen's bet months ago, and the doubters declined to accept.

A "gentleman's bet." Hahahahahahaha!!!! There's no such thing.

Bull fucking shit you hillbilly limp dick queer.

You're a stalker, smelly. Everyone knows you like little boys.

Hey, guys. Don't worry about this skinny little bitch. Smelly can't beat the flies off his ass. Coach is really looking for a meetup in the men's room for a suckoff.

[The Boz]

But I certainly don’t want people stalking me, and this is what it appears Coach is suggesting.

Boz...I never liked you. Are you afraid of me?

I’m afraid of anyone who comes off like you have recently.

Don’t care if you like me or not, I always call it like I see it. And you come off like a lunatic lately. Not that I haven’t a few times, but the difference is you are some crazy internet poster. Who is not a person on here anyone can vouch for. Or can claim to have met.

While I appreciate your willingness to meet others, your claims to find other people comes off as crazy to anyone and everyone. You probably should apologize to Dark Oz, but an easy bet is you won’t.

[monet]

You probably should apologize to Dark Oz, but an easy bet is you won’t.

Apologize to DarkOz?
A guy who wears a 2000 dollar mask to hide his identity.
A person who goes around saying how serious Covid is and how masks work but challenges people to meet him and eat dinner!?
During a time when people like him think that Corona is running wild killing people left and right?
Nobody ever has to apologize to DarkOz for anything.
Fucking guy scamming people left and right with players cards and has his own family stealing from him.
lol as if this is some sort of respectable upright citizen.
It's basically like kewlJ running around preaching how honest he is and the Casino is the Devil.
Same difference with how AxelWolf goes around with his forum bullshit.

[Darkoz]

lol DarkOz meeting up with random people from Internet Forums during the Deadly Plandemic.
This Challenge, Meet Up and Sit Down Dinner proves that the Coronavirus is a Scam.
So much for shelter in place.
I guess risking your life to meet up with forum members for a free dinner is worth the risk of getting Covid and Dying.
Oh, everything is ok though because DarkOz has stipulated you must wear a mask to actually meet up and spend the evening with him.
How does a person go from wearing a mask, because he is afraid of getting 86'd, to meeting up with random internet forum members?
When you watch DarkOz play in the Casino do you have to maintain a distance of 6 feet or more?

The DarkOz Challenge while the Coronavirus supposedly spikes out of control...
Happy New Year!!

https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gamb...koz-challenge/

I rarely wear a disguise mask.

It was for when casinos had identified me already and I was in the middle of recouping my money through Freeplay.

I haven't worn a disguise mask for those purposes in four years.

At any rate it's much easier now to send in my crew if they haven't been recognized yet

As for the pandemic, casino rules are they will be wearing masks regardless at this point in time and there is no indoor smoking in AC.

I can't argue though about the dinner where we will have to eat unmasked. I can't stand hypocrites and sometimes I am guilty as charged. Well, let's see where we are when the time comes.

I suppose a delay in the challenge until post pandemic couldn't hurt.

[The Boz]

You probably should apologize to Dark Oz, but an easy bet is you won’t.

Apologize to DarkOz?
A guy who wears a 2000 dollar mask to hide his identity.
A person who goes around saying how serious Covid is and how masks work but challenges people to meet him and eat dinner with him!?
During a time when people like him think that Corona is running wild killing people left and right?
Nobody ever has to apologize to DarkOz for anything.
Fucking guy scamming people left and right with players cards and has his own family stealing from him.
lol as if this is some sort of respectable upright citizen.
It's basically like kewlJ running around preaching how honest he is and the Casino is the Devil.
Same difference with how AxelWolf goes around with his forum bullshit.

Yep, Dark Oz is wrong on COVID in my opinion. And a fool for it.

No proof he is scamming anyone that doesn’t agree to what he offers. We might agree they gave up value but did you ever consider they are happy for the value he (or anyone) offered them. Are you (not you in particular) scamming someone when you offer $20 for a Blowjob when the going rate is $50? Or are they happy for the $20 that buys them a meal? Or crack?

The mask shit never bothered me because it is what he does, it perhaps gives him an advantage. Not sure how you can argue that point. You can say he isn’t good enough to have avoided casino detection, but then you have to give him credit for finding a way around it.

On KJ, I have no info on what he claims in earnings is legit. But again show me where he broke any laws. The guy appears to have followed all laws and rules with his play. No one I know ever accused him of cheating. That said, my issues with him are obvious, mostly on stuff he posted. He feels the same about me, and mine was far worse. And I personally don’t believe casinos are the devil, just a for profit business.

And with you it always comes back to Axel. No clue why you are so bitter to the guy. I’ve only read your version of the “meeting”. All I know is the guy has always been straight forward and honest with me. To a fault. I’ve never heard of anyone claiming he screwed them.

[BoSox]

I'm dismissing the scenario you concocted above as delusional.

Even if the wager was a gentlemen's bet, the doubters would claim bribery, fakery, etc, and decline to accept.

How do I know that? Because MDawg already proposed a gentlemen's bet months ago, and the doubters declined to accept.

A "gentleman's bet." Hahahahahahaha!!!! There's no such thing.

Bull fucking shit you hillbilly limp dick queer.

That is not a reply you're sidetracking the issue. I consider a gentleman's bet no more than one dollar.