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This is how he got me. He had cards for about 3k a month on them. I would run the fp through and keep 30% and western union him the rest. Once he saw got the mailer where they cut him to 20 he called me and offered to just sell me the cards for 750 because he was working on something bigger and didn't have time to deal with these small ones. Like an idiot I agreed without seeing the flyer, sent him the money and when I went 2 weeks later I realized the weekly was now 20 instead of 450.Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
Whereas I don't do things like this. Although RS and his pals do. One of his crew members asked if I would be willing to pick up free play for them and I said I would but I was never contacted about it. I didn't really want to get involved anyway. These darn Casinos in Vegas are getting smarter to this stuff. If you go to Stations Casinos they have a camera on every single individual Kiosk to help thwart this type of activity. I certainly am not above doing something like this but I am not paying anyone up front for anything like this unless I have known them for over 20 years and I only know one person I would break off for something like this. I damn sure am not getting involved in some sort of Western Union scheme.Originally Posted by GwoAE
As I have stated before if someone is so desperate to sell me their free play I will oblige them but it will be for a hefty percentage and they won't see the money until after I have picked up the free play. Usually those parties involved are free to keep the food or free gifts that come along for the ride. As a matter of fact the people that give me their cards don't even play in the Casino but they love the Free Gifts. They hound me constantly about the Free Gifts and sometimes when I don't play as hard on their card and things fall off they give me strife about playing so they can get the Free Gifts. They don't even care about the cash or food. I tell them ok I didn't play too much this month on your card here take some extra money and they are like I want the Free Gifts lol... I don't care about the money. So I try to go pick up the gifts for them when I have extras and don't mind wheeling across town which I hate because I am a night person.
So you see the RS's of the world will come in here and tell me that I am wrong and I don't know Jack but the truth is I know most all the ins and outs and am not afraid to talk about it in a public manner. As a matter of fact I don't like the dirty world of Private Messages and I rarely use them. However, he and his crew love that stuff but the truth is those Private Messages aren't as private as people think. The truth is I have never said nothing but I am a dirty no good thieving bastard and that is the truth. This is why they can't refute me. I openly admit I am stealing from the Casinos and in my very early youth I hustled some people and family. We all make serious mistakes in life. I've learned but I have no qualms about stealing from the Casinos these days. I do hope one day to get to the level that I teach and preach about how an individual in life should conduct him or herself but I am nowhere near close as of yet but it is a process and hopefully I won't die before it is too late.
Last edited by monet; 03-17-2018 at 08:36 AM.
Scammers will pray on people just like me. I like to play at the casino. I don't care about EV but I am familiar with ev and will take a shot at +ev plays. I will pay attention to coin in to maximize mailers,etc. I do it for fun mostly. Then WoN comes around and makes it seem so easy. It is really easy to fall for and I am sure it happens a lot.
Dont worry about it GwoAE... you got off easy... you lost what 675 dollars and you learned a very good lesson for that small amount. Unfortunately you live in my old neck of the woods and I was sorry to hear the old log jammer has been taken away... at least the Jack Rabbit still stands and some other things from my childhood. If you lived in Vegas you could easily use the basic information that I gave away in the Hot Sucker thread to get you started and I could really show you how to do some other things without asking for anything in return.Originally Posted by GwoAE
I like you... heck your a Pens Fan... whats not to like? I have always been open and honest about my life on WoV and over here. I am sorry that you got cheated but from time to time in life things like this happen and it could of been way worse... I mean way worse. F the WoNs of the world and keep your head down and keep chopping out your forest in life... and hey you did crush Shop N Save right... no more Foodland that's sad but hey what about Giant Eagle?
Last edited by monet; 03-17-2018 at 09:10 AM.
Gwoae, so you got taken for 3k and not 750?
I guess I am still confused as to how AP's run the card scam.
Monet, do other card owners let you knowingly play using their cards, and if so, why would they?
And as for WoN, was he selling his own card, or some one elses, and why would they give up their card?
Why wouldn't they use it themselves?
I just don't see how snd why it works.
What, Me Worry?
I have explained this to you before but I am going to go easy on you because if I was trying to understand Divorce Law I wouldn't get it either.Originally Posted by MisterV
The more cards you have the more money you make if you have a large enough bankroll.
Most players have to team up because they just don't have the cash. This is obviously what is going on at WoV and it isn't hard to figure out that they are all working together in one way or another. So one of their team members or buddies decided to break the code that is a silent code between gamblers and APs. It is kinda like the pirate code. In the world of gaming it isn't unusual to lend or trust players with large sums of cash on a handshake. You can see how violent it gets when one of the members breaks the code or cons them out of money. Money is the name of the game. Don't listen to this notion that not everyone is Capitalist or at least when we are talking things Casino you better believe it is about the money.
It is clear that we only have a very small piece of the puzzle. Someone like myself can look at the situation and reactions and figure it out much better than someone who hasn't had my experience. Even if I explain it to people they still might not get it. Excuse me for getting sidetracked. I don't understand why over there a few members have posted up serious questions to many other members only to hear crickets. Nobody seems to wants to answer those hard questions in the later pages of the SaP/WoN thread. If you follow it you may have seen the Wizard show up for a moment to tell someone to be careful... the suspension hammer is coming out.
Anyways so the more cards equal more money to someone like me who has a very large amount of cash to work with. This being said with the right connections and employees I can overcome the problem with W2s and someone else's players card so I don't worry about that. For me I get as many cards as I can and I try to put 25 to 100k of coin in per card per property. The more cards the better since I am playing break even games or close to it or better sometimes. So when the mail rolls in it gets crazy to keep up. All you have to do after that is maintain the levels. Some players like to put a bunch of coin in and let the play fall off collecting all the FP but these days for me it is better to just keep the money rolling round and round and round. I dunno if I explained it good enough and most likely your working together with Zcore 13 to thwart AP actions so there is that.
For me, I have access to a large amount of people who don't gamble. It is strange to say that in Vegas because honestly everyone gambles on something at times in this city but the people that let me play on their cards don't really gamble and they don't use players cards because they might bet 10 dollars on some football game and nothing else. So I use their cards and the mail goes to their house and I pick up the FP and give them a percentage at the end of the month but like I say my people want the free gifts and free food ... some of them don't want any cash at all and usually I give the rest of them 20% cash for doing nothing.
Last edited by monet; 03-17-2018 at 11:11 AM.
OK, so you are playing using cards in the names of other people, and they allow it: got it.
But what if you hit a royal, or other jackpot that requires a hand pay?
Wouldn't that be problematical if the card in the machine is not your own?
How would you collect?
Then again, if you hit a jackpot you could bolt out like a scared rabbit to avoid detection I suppose but I have to think the casinos would quickly figure out what was up and flag the card and its owner.
What, Me Worry?
I have spoken about this before and if you read my post again I sorta told you already. It is simple. You need to know the right people and when you do hit a jackpot all that is needed is for them to change the name to your name in the computer. They can't give a w2 form to the players name on the card they have to give it to the player who is pushing the buttons unless like sometimes I might walk away with someone next to me and they will sign. If you don't know how and what you are doing ... yes you can get in trouble and 86d but they have to give you that jackpot with your walking papers.Originally Posted by MisterV
The best way to do it is to have the person with you and just playing along side you. I do that alot and I just tell those people what to hold. Those are the times I am playing what I call voice activated machines. Reels are easier I just give them the money and tell them to keep hitting the button.
Monet, IMHO it is unlikely that RS_ and Djatc have an AP (or any other) relationship:Originally Posted by monet
https://vegascasinotalk.com/forum/sh...0781#post60781
I apologize sincerely. I know you like food... let me know if I can set you up with anything in the future for free and tip included.Originally Posted by DJatc
Thin, but I may have lumped everyone together and perhaps I don't know Jack Squat!Originally Posted by tableplayMonet, IMHO it is unlikely that RS_ and Djatc have an AP (or any other) relationship:Originally Posted by monet
https://vegascasinotalk.com/forum/sh...0781#post60781
I might as well get this over with...
It is true that Maxpen also works primarily alone as well so I give him an apology as well which I already did publicly in a few posts earlier, telling him I would buy him a 13 dollar beer and a free hockey game but here is another public apology.
So if you hit a jackpot on a card that's not yours, pull the card out before they get there, and have your IDs ready when the slot attendant gets to you, do they really care? Wouldn't think a low-level employee would pay much attention if you have the credentials to get the W2, but I've never tried it, either.
No need for any apology. I plan on taking you up on the hockey game minus the beer.😀 I don't drink.Originally Posted by monet
I apologize sincerely. I know you like food... let me know if I can set you up with anything in the future for free and tip included.
Thin, but I may have lumped everyone together and perhaps I don't know Jack Squat!Originally Posted by tableplayMonet, IMHO it is unlikely that RS_ and Djatc have an AP (or any other) relationship:Originally Posted by monet
https://vegascasinotalk.com/forum/sh...0781#post60781
I might as well get this over with...
It is true that Maxpen also works primarily alone as well so I give him an apology as well which I already did publicly in a few posts earlier, telling him I would buy him a 13 dollar beer and a free hockey game but here is another public apology.
Idk what you’re rambling on about. Lol.
Find a post from me where I said your information isn’t accurate. Actually, find ANY AP’s post trying to disprove your claims (except KJ’s about the timing on the YaH promo). APs in LV know it’s accurate or else they wouldn’t be telling/asking you to remove it. I’ve said AFAICT it is accurate.
When I included you in being “off the mark” I meant your description of APs and this crazy theory that we’re all out to scam each other, we’re pushing old ladies off of UX, or we’re stealing from each other or random people.
I’ve not been posting much recently because I’m considerably busier now and more so realized all this back & forth is all just nonsense. I now mostly just write something if it’s something I find interesting or really really stupid.
Yes I’ve met a lot of APs & non-APs from these different forums as well as others who don’t post on forums. If APs are telling/asking you not to post information, did it ever occur to you maybe it isn’t the smartest thing to do? I don’t like plays that I’m on to get burnt out nor do I like plays that other APs, whether I know them or not, get burnt. From what I remember of your posts, the only one I kinda do is stations, which is basically killing time on a 2x day to get some cheaper food and free mailers.
I don’t remember saying I find 10-25% edges all day every day. I’ve certainly found and played good stuff, but it’s not 24/7. If I wrote something misleading, I apologize as I’ve never intended to say I’m playing that stuff (or anything) 24/7 or all day every day.
For those of you following the SAP/WON thread on WoV this character with the username of cwazy is obviously way to concerned with protecting Toll/SAP/WoN. He's doing everything he can to get people to back off. I think cwazy and WoN are in cahoots or may even be the same person, Jeffrey Warren Toll. Someone should question him about it. Does he have an affiliation with JWT?
"More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ
The shit is getting real over there.
The Wizard posted that a couple munchkins suggested to him that the location of the WoV Spring Fling be kept confidential.
WTF is there to worry about?
Not a damned thing.
Too much fucking drama.
What, Me Worry?
No just 750, there were multiple cards but not multiples of 750. I did receive 10% of what I was supposed to in that month so really only 675. Definitely not a large amount compared to others.Originally Posted by Cablecompany
When I tried to round up 8 to 10 of those WoVers and treat them to an expensive, private dinner held at Hugo's they had interest and were agreeing. However, it started to be obvious that it is very difficult to get that many people to agree on a time and date. After that people started popping in and suggesting that we were crazy to post up publicly what day we were going to have dinner. IMO I started realizing it wasn't going to work for me because I am not like that. I just don't care obviously. I am sure, if anyone has read my posts in two years you will see that I am a little different compared to most APs on a message board. One might even suggest that I am not an AP because of the methods that I am not afraid to use or admit to. Many of them wanted to do it on the 4th of July Weekend. That wasn't going to work for me. I don't like going downtown on the weekend let alone on a Holiday weekend.
If you follow WoV threads, it is apparent you have many players or people who are just plain scared or paranoid. I find, in my experience that many times the internet world doesn't line up with the real world. It took well over a year before I met anyone from over there in person. So, I set a few people up with rooms and what not. They are like why are you doing this. I tell them, no reason, just trying to back up what I say and this is how I am. I tell them, I want to meet some of these internet talkers and see if I really have been doing things wrong all these years or maybe I really can make more per hour by teaming up with a bunch of people. Now after meeting many of them... NOT ALL OF THEM... but many of them it was apparent that things are worse online compared to real life to or for me. This is my experience and I am sure many others don't share the same sentiment.
Wovers do things different compared to what I do. MC does things different than I do. Everyone has their own way to go about things and honestly you will find many avenues to failure and success. However, many of the tactics or ways to go about getting advantages are fundamental. This means that pretty much everyone knows about them and do the same exact things. Times are changing and the door is closing. Many players have already moved onto other things because it isn't as lucrative as it used to be. Just like anything in life with time you will have to adapt or die or move onto something else. Advantage Play is nothing new. Gamblers have always figured ways out how to get the edge and that has been going on for hundreds of years if you study the history of it.
I am not scared but many WoVers and especially the leader or leaders have much more fear or paranoia than I have so I don't blame them for wanting to keep things secret. On the flip side, if someone really wanted to find them or the party or individuals on the net it wouldn't be very difficult. Most people these days post up all the information for free on the line. I think many times people have posted up personal information on the net only to find they got robbed while on vacation or many other bad things happened to them. Always a price to pay for convenience. People think things are free but I am of the mindset that nothing is free in life. You are going to pay for everything you have or did in one way or another. You enjoy this bottle of whatever in plastic and the ease of getting food at your grocery store compared to hunting or fishing or farming for it? Guess what... your most likely going to pay with a few years of life because the food and plastic is going to cause you some form of cancer. We can list these examples all day long. Many times when I read posts at WoV all I see plenty of is fear, fearmongering, paranoia and misinformation.
When I first signed up I realized nobody wanted to talk about things like mail or how some things really work in the Casino in the real world. I think I changed some of that so expect more of the same from me in the future no matter who likes it or doesn't. I don't agree with censorship or suppressing information. This doesn't mean I have to share every single detail but I don't mind fighting the power or establishment that has been the norm on forums. IMO if you sign up for a public forum that is what you get... power to the people!
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