The WoV Thread

[redietz]

The problem is you think WoV is an AP forum. It's NOT.

It is not an AP forum, but is a forum supposed to be about gambling math and reality.

Did you happen to see the post I posted last night with quotes from Mdogs posts for just this trip. Win, win, win, Pictures of cash and chips and watches and talk of winning strolls down the strip. Every session, every day, every trip...win, win, win. That is not the reality of gambling, and defies gambling mathematics of which the forum is supposed to be based.

Interesting and amusing writings??? maybe..somewhat. But lets just be clear that it is fiction and be allowed to say so.

The problem at WoV IS NOT MDawg. The problem is Shackleford. Get that through your head. MDawg can't do a damned thing without Shackleford giving him the thumbs up.

In a way, MDawg's posts are, as I said many months ago, really funny in how they have flipped the ostensibly math-oriented WoV on its head. MDawg is parodying the idea that some math-oriented approach can beat the casinos. He's poking fun at all things WoV. He's making a mockery of the site and forum.

I salute him. He's completely undermined the site in a clever way, and with Shackleford's approval. My E.R. post was a parody of a parody, if there is such a thing. Except my parody of a parody had highly unlikely but eminently verifiable specific claims. For example, I did cash in nine consecutive poker tournaments recently, with an average of about 200 people per tourney. And my best finish was second. I can pull that up directly from my account history. So the stuff in my thread, while parody, was real when it came to gambling claims. MDawg can't provide that kind of specific gambling accounting.

[jbjb]

The problem is you think WoV is an AP forum. It's NOT.

It is not an AP forum, but is a forum supposed to be about gambling math and reality.

Did you happen to see the post I posted last night with quotes from Mdogs posts for just this trip. Win, win, win, Pictures of cash and chips and watches and talk of winning strolls down the strip. Every session, every day, every trip...win, win, win. That is not the reality of gambling, and defies gambling mathematics of which the forum is supposed to be based.

Interesting and amusing writings??? maybe..somewhat. But lets just be clear that it is fiction and be allowed to say so.

So what? Do you do the same to every ploppie at the blackjack tables or is it best to keep shut and let them believe and talk their jibberish?

[jbjb]

As far as I'm concerned, the more morons that the Mdawg and Singer types get into casinos instead of AP's, is better for us long term.

[coach belly]

MDawg can't provide that kind of specific gambling accounting.

Why can't he provide that?

[kewlJ]

So what? Do you do the same to every ploppie at the blackjack tables or is it best to keep shut and let them believe and talk their jibberish?

Come on, you know the saying....."there are other players at the table"? (I credit that response to 21forme, although Norm thinks he said it first. truth is probably someone else before either. ).

But yes, unlike both of them, I acknowledge there are other players at the table (sometimes). Problem is that I can't hear them because of plastic dividers between players.

[redietz]

As far as I'm concerned, the more morons that the Mdawg and Singer types get into casinos instead of AP's, is better for us long term.

As I said somewhere previously, that attitude is like a doc treating VD deciding to not have pamphlets in his office because it might cut into his patient volume. Maybe he's right; maybe he's wrong. But it's gonna hurt somebody eventually, for sure.

I tend to tell people when they are doing something blatantly wrong (like betting parlays) as opposed to telling them how to actually do something properly. That's my middle ground. If somebody at kewlJ's table hits on 20, I would expect him to say something if the dealer does not.

[BoSox]

You should probably just not go on WoV or look at it. That plan is going to get you nowhere. The only opinion a person should have of WoV is that it is not worthy of one's participation. How many times do you have to get clubbed upside the head to understand?

Thank you for your opinion, Maxpen. as for WoV "not being worthy of one's participation": And this forum is ?!? We are all guilty of wasting time and energy on these forums.


It is bad enough on this forum, where Dan Druff has given up on the forum being anything but a troll forum based on some alternative reality and grade school yard name calling and drama. I like to think WoV hasn't gone there just yet and the mathematics that was supposed to be the basis of the forum still exists. I am actually in a sense trying to protect your buddy Wizard from himself. He doesn't seem to realize that allowing this alternative reality gambling bullshit without challenge is a reflection on him. His silence is a quasi endorsement.

KJ, you really need to learn to read between the lines. Did you ever stop and think that Mike S is just trying to protect his job? Which could also possibly include a stipend for still using his name in the introductions to the site. There is a reason for that Name Recognition something that Stanford Wong "alias" may also receive. Now keeping that job may be important to Mike S, and, if it means changing some of the rules which are now likely out of his hands anyway so be it. Holding that job is obviously the priority to him. Those people who really know Mike understand what he is going through.


"Taken from WOV site"

If this guy and his claims were real, he would have serious narcistic problems, seeking approval and admiration from strangers on numerous different forums. And if he is phony as most of us believe, you can multiply that by 10. Either way this guy has issues. :/

LVT site:

Mdawg gets what he wants from Wizard because he runs crying like a little baby. But I am going to fight this one because I simply voiced an opinion that Mdawgs posting, with all the claims, and tales of winning and pictures of cash, chips watches, talk of "victory strolls" represents narcistic behavior. That is an opinion not an insult and opinions are supposed to be allowed.

KJ, in giving your opinion you also included the opinion of others as if you are talking for them which I believe got you suspended.

[jbjb]

So what? Do you do the same to every ploppie at the blackjack tables or is it best to keep shut and let them believe and talk their jibberish?

Come on, you know the saying....."there are other players at the table"? (I credit that response to 21forme, although Norm thinks he said it first. true is probably someone else before either. ).

But yes, unlike both of them, I acknowledge there are other players at the table (sometimes). Problem is that I can't hear them because of plastic dividers between players.

Unless you always play heads up, hat response of "other players at the table" stupid for many reasons.

[redietz]

MDawg can't provide that kind of specific gambling accounting.

Why can't he provide that?

Because all online sports betting and online poker playing has site accounting of every transaction and -- unless MDawg has someone watching him play or records every second of his play with time stamps -- MDawg's wagering does not.

But coach, you being such a bright boy and all, how could you not figure that out in 30 seconds or less? You should probably invest 30 seconds in cogitatin' before snapping off brain dead questions. It damages your omniscient rep.

[jbjb]

As far as I'm concerned, the more morons that the Mdawg and Singer types get into casinos instead of AP's, is better for us long term.

As I said somewhere previously, that attitude is like a doc treating VD deciding to not have pamphlets in his office because it might cut into his patient volume. Maybe he's right; maybe he's wrong. But it's gonna hurt somebody eventually, for sure.

I tend to tell people when they are doing something blatantly wrong (like betting parlays) as opposed to telling them how to actually do something properly. That's my middle ground. If somebody at kewlJ's table hits on 20, I would expect him to say something if the dealer does not.

Well unlike you, I want these stupid players doing those things in casinos.

[kewlJ]

The problem at WoV IS NOT MDawg. The problem is Shackleford. Get that through your head.

I think Mike is a bit conflicted, because on one hand he thinks there should be some freedom to say things that might not be true and he doesn't see it as his place to be the "truth police". So lets say someone comes on and talks about Martingale as a winning system, which occurs just about every few weeks in some form. That is fine, let him go on. Mike can afford to stay silent and not play "truth police". Chances are someone will challenge it.

But when that claim evolves into a 330 page thread, with about 100 straight winning sessions, over many trip over several years, with every trip, every session a winner, there comes a point that Mike needs to step up and say, "yeah that is NOT the way it works". There comes a point that staying silent makes him complicit. Like I said a quasi endorsement.

How does the saying go? Evil triumphs when good men do (and say) nothing? I don't know how much "evil" is in these fantasy, fictitious stories and claims, but there really comes a point that it is time to say something. And I believe that point is long before page 330 of a thread.

[coach belly]

unless MDawg has someone watching him play or records every second of his play with time stamps -- MDawg's wagering does not.

I think his live casino play is recorded to the specificity of what's necessary for proof.

But my question was about your online wagering...MDawg may also have an online record of casino play that he can provide, why couldn't he?

Your online history is specific to whatever site you choose to display, so your accounting only shows what you want to be shown.

And what have you shown?

[Darkoz]

Or perhaps...The worst of the lot was AxelWolf, a scrawny little man with a manner between fag and pimp.

Always the same thin, ratty face, shabby, out-of-date clothes, whiny, penetrating voice.

The most unbearable thing about Axel was his voice. It went all through you.

I don't know if you guys missed it but two pages ago the above was buried in a long post by MDawg.

Describing Axel both physically and the sound of his voice would mean MDawg and Axel met in the past.

This sounds like more to the story

[coach belly]

Describing Axel both physically and the sound of his voice would mean MDawg and Axel met in the past.

This sounds like more to the story

LOL...You should go ahead and run with that.

[The Boz]

Not sure what anyone expects out of Mike. He’s a great math expect, like many others on his site. Probably in the top tenth of 1% in the country. But other than that what has he ever done to gain respect or think he is some expert on how to handle normal life situations?

By his own admission, he was a failure at business to the point of begging until the Serbs bailed him out. He says he is a misfit when it comes to interactions with others. He looks like a homeless bum and if I saw him walking on an overpass on the strip I would give him a dollar. He treats women like shit, ogles them and acts like it is the 70’s. The Burning Man shit alone shows he isn’t what most of us consider normal. Some say he may be part autistic, but either way he is a misfit to most of us.

I believe he is doing what he thinks is best to bring traffic to the site and is intimidated by someone like MD. It’s why he suspends people over and over for “insulting” him, but doesn’t follow his own rules for length of the suspensions. In his failed business mind, people like drama and the short suspensions keep them coming back.

And let’s face it, it’s not a math site and honestly MD has proven anything can be claimed there and unless an insult is involved it’s allowed. Anyone (KJ) thinking it’s going to change is wasting their time. But he is right, it is entertaining seeing MD run the site, as I had said for a while. We all love a train wreck and it’s why people don’t follow the good advice JB gives to just block the man.

[MisterV]

The thing is, by allowing this nitwit to spew his bullshit it almost gives him the stamp of credibility.

This may not affect the gambling behavior of we "seasoned" forum members, but what about the newbies, the lurkers, who read his drivel and start to believe it could happen to them?

Therein lies the danger: the proliferation of "false hope" among the clueless and the gullible, and lord knows there's a shitload of those folks wandering the casinos.

[BoSox]

The thing is, by allowing this nitwit to spew his bullshit it almost gives him the stamp of credibility.

This may not affect the gambling behavior of we "seasoned" forum members, but what about the newbies, the lurkers, who read his drivel and start to believe it could happen to them?

Therein lies the danger: the proliferation of "false hope" among the clueless and the gullible, and lord knows there's a shitload of those folks wandering the casinos.

It is good for business and AP's. I agree with you that MDawg spending a few hours with Dan Druff will solve nothing regarding variance.

[coach belly]

what about the newbies, the lurkers, who read his drivel and start to believe it could happen to them?

WOV members are permitted to disagree with or disprove MDawg's claims without resorting to insults.

That's fair.

From what I've read so far, all the experts have concluded that MDawg's claims do not defy math.

The detractors must find that fact so frustrating that they can't help but treat him unfairly.

[Darkoz]

Describing Axel both physically and the sound of his voice would mean MDawg and Axel met in the past.

This sounds like more to the story

LOL...You should go ahead and run with that.

Uh huh.

Not even a denial.

[kewlJ]

It is good for business and AP's.

Yes, this is true. jbjb is correct in what he says that for selfish reasons, AP's are better of saying nothing and encouraging more idiots into the casino. So too were those members on other forums that I learned from and you recently concurred that you learned a lot from. From my perspective, thank goodness they didn't have jbjb (and some other APs) attitude.

BoSox, you and I like to help out newer players. Steer them in the right direction, if you will. It is fine if other AP's don't share that. But for god sakes, we should call out complete nonsense as complete voodoo nonsense....especially after 300 pages of it. I know it is a bit old fashioned and not something seen much on this forum, but there is just a principal of right and wrong for me.