The WoV Thread

[redietz]

unless MDawg has someone watching him play or records every second of his play with time stamps -- MDawg's wagering does not.

I think his live casino play is recorded to the specificity of what's necessary for proof.

But my question was about your online wagering...MDawg may also have an online record of casino play that he can provide, why couldn't he?

Your online history is specific to whatever site you choose to display, so your accounting only shows what you want to be shown.

And what have you shown?

Stop babbling, coach. I said in my parody post that E.R. cashed in nine consecutive poker tournaments. I can pull that up and show it. Now MDawg has undoubtedly claimed to have won nine consecutive hands on many occasions. He hasn't shown it.

As far as your other, oblique point, a sports bettor could win a million at a dozen different sites and have lost 12 million at the one he doesn't show. So nothing is demonstrated that way. What constitutes the best proof of sports handicapping winning are public ATS records stretching over years or decades.

LOL -- but I'm glad you babbled, coach. You bring up an excellent point. MDawg has never mentioned playing online. That's beautiful. Thanks, coach. That is actually a key point in this whole discussion.

Coach, sometimes you stick your foot in it. This is one of those times. Now we get to debate why MDawg has never mentioned betting online. Gee, is it because he can't read a digital flow of cards? Is it because there'd be hand-to-hand complete accounting at every site? I mean, if you win at baccarat, what makes online baccarat a different animal? Seems like easy money. And there would be total, hand-to-hand, day-to-day records that would demonstrate that MDawg magic.

Coach, thanks a bunch, buddy. Never thought of you as an MDawg debunker, but you've made major contributions.

[monet]

Heck I'm a good guy and I've only got one felony against me. Conviction that is.

I see your point.
Nicely Done!

[monet]

You should probably just not go on WoV or look at it. That plan is going to get you nowhere. The only opinion a person should have of WoV is that it is not worthy of one's participation. How many times do you have to get clubbed upside the head to understand?

Thank you for your opinion, Maxpen. as for WoV "not being worthy of one's participation": And this forum is ?!? We are all guilty of wasting time and energy on these forums.

I have no bone to pick with Mike. I have come to appreciate him. Where others see weakness in him allowing me to return when he said he wouldn't, I see a person willing to change their mind, based on changing circumstances. That is what growth is. And I learned something yesterday, that makes me appreciate him even more (at the moment). But I just don't believe these guys, the Mdogs and Singers should be allowed to continually post these fictitious, fantasy claims, that defy the mathematics of gambling without pushback and challenge.

It is bad enough on this forum, where Dan Druff has given up on the forum being anything but a troll forum based on some alternative reality and grade school yard name calling and drama. I like to think WoV hasn't gone there just yet and the mathematics that was supposed to be the basis of the forum still exists. I am actually in a sense trying to protect your buddy Wizard from himself. He doesn't seem to realize that allowing this alternative reality gambling bullshit without challenge is a reflection on him. His silence is a quasi endorsement.

KewlJ, at some point you have to wake up and smell the coffee. Shackleford isn't being fooled by anything. He's making anti-educational choices based on his pocketbook or ego. One or the other. He knows it's a reflection on him, and he's sold the viewing patrons up an anti-mathematical river. He should have his scrotum removed post haste. And put in his mouth. Because he's betrayed the cause, more or less.

And he's fully aware -- make no mistake about that. His ability to "change his mind" as you say is simply because you provide expertise for his site that he does not have. So the site benefits...as long as you stay in line and don't hassle the man or whoever props him up.

I mean, c'mon, Shackleford knows what he's doing. MDawg's posts are essentially a parody of AP'ing, and they've gotten more blatant over time. As I said, cut off Shackleford's scrotum and put it in his mouth. That is SOP with Italian entrepreneurs, correct?

You guys love it over here on this Hate Site don't you!?
Be honest, you guys are Closet Haters.
I get it.

[Ozzy]

Not sure what anyone expects out of Mike. He’s a great math expect, like many others on his site. Probably in the top tenth of 1% in the country. But other than that what has he ever done to gain respect or think he is some expert on how to handle normal life situations?

By his own admission, he was a failure at business to the point of begging until the Serbs bailed him out. He says he is a misfit when it comes to interactions with others. He looks like a homeless bum and if I saw him walking on an overpass on the strip I would give him a dollar. He treats women like shit, ogles them and acts like it is the 70’s. The Burning Man shit alone shows he isn’t what most of us consider normal. Some say he may be part autistic, but either way he is a misfit to most of us.

I believe he is doing what he thinks is best to bring traffic to the site and is intimidated by someone like MD. It’s why he suspends people over and over for “insulting” him, but doesn’t follow his own rules for length of the suspensions. In his failed business mind, people like drama and the short suspensions keep them coming back.

And let’s face it, it’s not a math site and honestly MD has proven anything can be claimed there and unless an insult is involved it’s allowed. Anyone (KJ) thinking it’s going to change is wasting their time. But he is right, it is entertaining seeing MD run the site, as I had said for a while. We all love a train wreck and it’s why people don’t follow the good advice JB gives to just block the man.

Spot on Boz, other then his expertise in mathematics, he seems to be completely ignorant and oblivious to many other things, including dealing with people in general. It still amazes me, the respect he gets from a handful of rational sound minded posters, mostly its from brownosing ignorant fools with no spine/ backbone. The old kiss ass saying of "Mike's house his rules" gets me every time LOL. Then you have guys like "Mr hypocrite Thank You Man Roger Kint" thanking him on a regular basis for his bullshit power tripping suspensions. What a chump!

[coach belly]

I said in my parody post that E.R. cashed in nine consecutive poker tournaments.
I can pull that up and show it.

You haven't shown anything.

Nobody believes you, or believes that you can pull that up and show it.

Anything you show can and will be faked anyway,
but go right ahead and do what you said you could do.

Call the clock.

If MDawg plays online, then he can provide the same accounting
that any other online player can.

Does he play online? Who knows? Why not? Maybe he prefers the perks of live play.

Go right ahead and debate it.

But his accounting from live play is equivalent of anything you can provide,
and infinitely better than what you have provided...which is zero.

[BoSox]

It is good for business and AP's.

Yes, this is true. jbjb is correct in what he says that for selfish reasons, AP's are better of saying nothing and encouraging more idiots into the casino. So too were those members on other forums that I learned from and you recently concurred that you learned a lot from. From my perspective, thank goodness they didn't have jbjb (and some other APs) attitude.

BoSox, you and I like to help out newer players. Steer them in the right direction, if you will. It is fine if other AP's don't share that. But for god sakes, we should call out complete nonsense as complete voodoo nonsense....especially after 300 pages of it. I know it is a bit old fashioned and not something seen much on this forum, but there is just a principal of right and wrong for me.

First on the story that I asked you to share on WOV regarding the time period that you shared with your late partner I was sincere that I thought that the post was really good. As long as you understand that you and I are on completely different sides regarding sharing of your journey.

Yes, this is true. jbjb is correct in what he says that for selfish reasons, AP's are better of saying nothing and encouraging more idiots into the casino.

I do not like you saying that jbjb is selfish it is the other way around. jbjb's actions are that of a professional where I see the need of a narcissist in action all the time from you. I wanted to put this up on WOV's site but you always seem to be suspended, I still may call you on it when you come back. Now please tell everyone how the fuck sharing the journey every fucken year is teaching newer players. Saying bullshit like you just said a few days ago " I am proud of it " could not be more stupid or selfish as it gets. Look in the mirror buddy if you are looking for narcissistic behavior. And you actually stating that casinos know that AP's beat the game as an excuse while telling your style of play, where you play and you are always welcome back is a sickness buddy. By the way, how can you teach newer blackjack members when there is basically only one active blackjack board and you cannot currently post there? I am ashamed of your actions of blackjack and am sick of you always ducking the questions.

[redietz]

I said in my parody post that E.R. cashed in nine consecutive poker tournaments.
I can pull that up and show it.

You haven't shown anything.

Nobody believes you, or believes that you can pull that up and show it.

Anything you show can and will be faked anyway,
but go right ahead and do what you said you could do.

Call the clock.

If MDawg plays online, then he can provide the same accounting
that any other online player can.

Does he play online? Who knows? Why not? Maybe he prefers the perks of live play.

Go right ahead and debate it.

But his accounting from live play is equivalent of anything you can provide,
and infinitely better than what you have provided...which is zero.

You stepped in it, buddy. You walked right into it of your own choosing. What was it you were saying -- anything worth proving should have some moolah on the line? Sounds good, coach.

No need to post it up. For a proper wager, I'll come to you and a witness (Dan would be fine) and pull up my poker account with the nine consecutive cashes.

And on the flip side, I don't think anybody witnessing a historical record of MDawg's online play is going to happen. Not if it's a session with more than a couple hundred hands.

I just checked. My hand history setting is 30 days -- I guess that's the default. Fortunately, my nine consecutive cashes have been in the past week.

As an aside, and to give proper props to Witteles, I suck at poker. Professionals would make my head spin. My theory is that, during the pandemic, a lot of bad players are spending time at the online tables. I played in a 1 AM bounty tournament and cashed 18 out of 25 this past month. Not making any real money, but it is surprising to cash that often.

[coach belly]

No need to post it up.

Oh yes there is, post it up here or at whatever site where everybody can see it.

The same as MDawg has done without compensation from the readers.

There's no conditions or backing out now...go right ahead and do what you said you could do.

I'll wager the value of your credibility...which is zero.

[jbjb]

Nothing wrong with being selfish over AP. As Axel would say, this is a wolf eat dawg world.

[soxfan]

Why do cats constantly express amazement being displayed on the wizard forum, hey hey?

[MisterV]

post it up here or at whatever site where everybody can see it. The same as MDawg has done without compensation from the readers..

Everything maddog posts is suspect, most especially alleged screenshots.

C'mon, are you new to the internet?

[coach belly]

C'mon, are you new to the internet?

I'm aware that some consider MDawg's posts to be suspect.

But nobody can deny his effort....so MDawg is the current standard based on effort alone.

Guys like mickey and monet used to give maximum effort,
but they got tired of getting shit on and stopped sharing.

I get the impression that MDawg is much younger, he'll get tired of getting shit on too.

It would be great if we could get some closure with this guy,
but the flies w/honey vs vinegar concept seems to be lost with the APs.

No biggie...I'm just a soul whose intentions are good,
Oh Lord please don't let me be misunderstood.

[Darkoz]

C'mon, are you new to the internet?

I'm aware that some consider MDawg's posts to be suspect.

But nobody can deny his effort....so MDawg is the current standard based on effort alone.

Guys like mickey and monet used to give maximum effort,
but they got tired of getting shit on and stopped sharing.

I get the impression that MDawg is much younger, he'll get tired of getting shit on too.

It would be great if we could get some closure with this guy,
but the flies w/honey vs vinegar concept seems to be lost with the APs.

No biggie...I'm just a soul whose intentions are good,
Oh Lord please don't let me be misunderstood.

I am pretty certain MDawg is in his forties somewhere.

It was last year he said something that dated him.

That puts him less than a decade younger than me

[BoSox]

Good one coach

[coach belly]

That puts him less than a decade younger than me

Nobody cares about you, asshole.

Either get lost or get found.

[AxelWolf]

C'mon, are you new to the internet?

I'm aware that some consider MDawg's posts to be suspect.

But nobody can deny his effort....so MDawg is the current standard based on effort alone.

Guys like mickey and monet used to give maximum effort,
but they got tired of getting shit on and stopped sharing.

I get the impression that MDawg is much younger, he'll get tired of getting shit on too.

It would be great if we could get some closure with this guy,
but the flies w/honey vs vinegar concept seems to be lost with the APs.

No biggie...I'm just a soul whose intentions are good,
Oh Lord please don't let me be misunderstood.

I am pretty certain MDawg is in his forties somewhere.

It was last year he said something that dated him.

That puts him less than a decade younger than me

I'm not going to go searching for it, but do I recall a post where he said or indicated he was younger. Then I remember seeing him posting videos and pictures of things that only someone much older would be posting.

[MaxPen]

Do you all need me to get on the MDawg case and put him out of business as well?

[Darkoz]

Do you all need me to get on the MDawg case and put him out of business as well?

You should do some MaxPen on that Blackhole and then leave your wad all over the Coach Belly

[MisterV]

Either get lost or get found.

LOL, that's good: seems original as well.

*golf clap*

[mickeycrimm]

So sorry your boy Singer feels the need to disappear permanently in a cloud of humiliation. Maybe you can team up with Man Servant Crimm or something going forward.

The only person humiliated around here is you COWARD.

No matter how many one paragraph insults you post, everyone here knows you are a confirmed con-artist. Five months of promises equaled five months of con-artist bullshit.

Give us or PM me some personal information on you like Rob did. I’d like the opportunity to even the playing field after the bullshit you tried to pull on Rob.

I’m sure eventually one of your AP pals will realize the skumbag you really are and forward me something, so I could prove how much of a COWARD you really are.

If Dan had any balls, he would ban you on principle for what you tried to do to one of his forum members. Sadly, he’s hooked up with the click here and clearly takes pre-determined sides.

But at least it’s his site. You’re nothing but an anonymous mutt.

maxpen kept saying he would go to arizona but never did. He had the invitation from Singer. But he didn't go. Now he's saying he's got major shit on Singer but won't post it. The bullshit just keeps on flowing. Hey, it's Santa Claus, tooth fairy, man in the moon stuff. Oh, and don't forget the unicorns. maxpen is going to produce them all. You betcha.