The WoV Thread

[jdaewoo]

You didn't compare him to a cancer, you called him cancer.

Just like I didn't compare you to a cunt. I called you a cunt. You cunt.

[kewlJ]

Let me see if I got this straight....cause I am not good with "straight".

1.) Coach belly, is the champion of the person in the minority, that many are ganging up on? That is what he is about. Can someone point me to coach belly being a great defender of Tasha?

2.) All of the sudden, coach belly is advocating for more civil discussions. He is probably one of the most blocked members of this forum, because he can NOT be civil and people give up trying with him.

otherwise....carry on.

[MaxPen]

Betting 1k avg bet over 57 hands, doesn't require that big of a bankroll. Once again proves NOTHING. If he were to bet 5x-10x that over the same span, thats a little different. With his "funds" he shouldn't sweat that action in the least bit.

Which leads to the question many of us have had from the start....Why isn’t someone who can win at will as he claims, never loses and is with an almost limitless bankroll NOT betting 5x-10x that as you ask?

Probably because he's full of shit. What else could it be? It's funny how so many people that should know better are still entertaining this nonsense.

But then again people watched the hell out of Jerry Springer too.

[monet]

Betting 1k avg bet over 57 hands, doesn't require that big of a bankroll. Once again proves NOTHING. If he were to bet 5x-10x that over the same span, thats a little different. With his "funds" he shouldn't sweat that action in the least bit.

Which leads to the question many of us have had from the start....Why isn’t someone who can win at will as he claims, never loses and is with an almost limitless bankroll NOT betting 5x-10x that as you ask?

Probably because he's full of shit. What else could it be? It's funny how so many people that should know better are still entertaining this nonsense.

But then again people watched the hell out of Jerry Springer too.

If someone did have a way to beat the Casino all of the time they would have to be very careful to avoid problems.
Most Casinos do not care if you are playing -EV.
If you are crushing them they will prohibit you from playing whatever game you are destroying and possibly 86 you.
I've known a couple players playing negative Black Jack but just on a Hot Streak and the Casino cut them off.
No Cheating, No Advantage... They just didn't want that type of action anymore.

I could care less about the topic but if I was beating a game every session and could never lose why would I increase my bets to 5x or 10x and get myself thrown out???
One example is the Sports Book... bet 900 dollars and they don't blink... bet 9000 dollars and you got all kinds of eyes on you.
Bet 10,000 or more and it gets worse with all sorts of questions and paperwork.
I've literally been at the Craps Table watching a friend bet 10k to 40k a roll and damn if he didn't have 4 suits constantly watching him.
And those were the only ones I could spot.
Like I say, I really don't care but once you get into different chip levels the ballgame is different.
I had one experience where I crushed a 99.6% payback game on Video Poker.
They took my card privileges away out of spite it would appear.
Never would of happened if I just played lower denomination games.
Radar.

[AxelWolf]

What if Mike's evaluation is damaging or negative, that whatever he
witnesses doesn't confirm much or any of what MDawg has claimed?

Then will you accept his evaluation?

Nothing negative will be reported. That's just not Mike's style, he will report what he had seen regarding the betting or whatever else MDawg wants him to believe. If Mike sees something super scammy or blatantly off I think he would report that, but I doubt MDawg is going to mess up that bad. I never thought MDawg was dumb.


If Mdawg plays solo and places an average of 1k per hand over 57 hands then I will be more inclined to believe some of what he has been saying.

Sounds like you kind of agree and disagree with me, and what KJ suggested. With no clue how this ends up, I’m not sure what’s in it for MDawg if he can’t at least “prove” he plays high stakes, or have the cash to do it for this exercise. So if he does as you say and he bets close to 1K for 57 hands, it still doesn’t prove much to me in regards to his claims of wins.

It might show he is the rich guy I believe he is, or at least is acting like he is. And most people couldn’t pull this kind of bankroll trick off, and the bigger question is why would they even try? Not sure what’s in this for MD other than more attention.

I personally hope it happens, but you, I and others will still have more questions then answers. But even with all my issues with Mike, I do believe he will at least be able to confirm there is someone willing to admit they are MD and they have access to substantial funds and are willing to wager them.

You guys are too focused on his claims of winning... WE ALL KNOW HIS CLAIMS OF ALWAYS WINNING IS TOTAL COMPLETE BS, that should not even be a debate. I wouldn't even want to waste my time debating that for more than a few posts. I have known people who are delusional enough to think they have a winning system and they believe that they ahead from using it. Once the variance catches up to them they keep tweaking their system until they have an upswing and once again think they have a winning system... rinse repeat.

Personally, if you can't believe 20%, 30%, 40%, 50%, 60%++ of what someone says how can you believe anything they say?

How is it that 8k is considered sizable funds?


Here is what we will know for sure... Someome is willing to put money up/ in action for Dawg when he hass a juicy advantage.

[kewlJ]

If someone did have a way to beat the Casino all of the time they would have to be very careful to avoid problems.
Most Casinos do not care if you are playing -EV.
If you are crushing them they will prohibit you from playing whatever game you are destroying and possibly 86 you.

You are exactly right Monet and I hate to tell you this because you are liable to reverse your opinion, but I said this same exact thing twice at WoV in recent weeks. Received some pushback from some of the WoV crowd, telling me I was wrong that casinos don't 86 players playing -EV. I didn't want to argue with anyone, because ya know, I am not the arguing type , but anyone familiar with Vegas where they can and will ban anyone, should know better.

High limit play at the levels talked about (I don't believe that level is real) is beyond my experiences and knowledge. So someone like Eliot says the standard policy is to call in some math experts, verify that the player is playing -EV and cut him some extra slack and see what happens. And that may be exactly right, like I said, out of my wheelhouse. BUT they will not let a player win forever, or even very long no matter what. Anyone familiar with the casino industry, knows this. They are not in this game to lose and won't put up with it out in the open like this, comping high end on top of everything else, for very long.

[kewlJ]

Plus, this is not Brian Malony (owning Mahowny) level stuff, where the casinos are willing to go in the hole, knowing it is all, plus some coming back. At the levels we are talking about, even if they are sure the player isn't playing a legitimate winning game, he could be cheating, in cahoots with dealer or some other methods they haven't discovered. They are just not going to let it go on for that long and damn sure not going to high end comp on top of it.

[Tasha]

Betting 1k avg bet over 57 hands, doesn't require that big of a bankroll. Once again proves NOTHING. If he were to bet 5x-10x that over the same span, thats a little different. With his "funds" he shouldn't sweat that action in the least bit.

Which leads to the question many of us have had from the start....Why isn’t someone who can win at will as he claims, never loses and is with an almost limitless bankroll NOT betting 5x-10x that as you ask?

Probably because he's full of shit. What else could it be? It's funny how so many people that should know better are still entertaining this nonsense.

But then again people watched the hell out of Jerry Springer too.

About Jerry Springer, it was reported his very first Season was actually talking about very serious Issues such as Racism and drug addiction and People found his talk show BORING and it was just about to be cancelled and from the first Episode of Season 2, Jerry decided to go TRASHY and People loved it and his ratings went up and Season 2 started in about 1992 and JS went off the air in 2018, 26 years later, so in this case, him going TRASHY ACTUALLY worked out extremely well.

[Ozzy]

The king of hypocrites DRich, puts his foot in his mouth once again(shocking!) He encourages and states EVERYONE should post only once a day. No indication of him joking. From his posting history, its very obvious he truly means it. What a fucking bozo, does anybody take this douchebag seriously ?......To add to his non stop hypocrisy, this is the same jackass who averages 5 posts a day EVERYDAY since covid began !

[soxfan]

I know from personal experience that casino ain't worry about cats playin and winnnings at baccrats. By that I mean cats what strictly b ets players/bankers though joints have gotten paranoid about cats counting and scorching those crazy side-bet they offer these day, hey hey.

[monet]

I know from personal experience that casino ain't worry about cats playin and winnnings at baccrats. By that I mean cats what strictly b ets players/bankers though joints have gotten paranoid about cats counting and scorching those crazy side-bet they offer these day, hey hey.

Some Casinos sweat Baccarat harder than others.
Sometimes some Casinos refuse to pay you and take you to court.
Number One Cheating Game is Bacc and in some Countries they will cut your hands off if they catch you.
All Facts.

[tableplay]

Number One Cheating Game is Bacc and in some Countries they will cut your hands off if they catch you.
All Facts.

Yeah it's pretty hard to slide blacks and chocolates in there (the chip stack in your betting circle) with no hands.

[soxfan]

I know from personal experience that casino ain't worry about cats playin and winnnings at baccrats. By that I mean cats what strictly b ets players/bankers though joints have gotten paranoid about cats counting and scorching those crazy side-bet they offer these day, hey hey.

Some Casinos sweat Baccarat harder than others.
Sometimes some Casinos refuse to pay you and take you to court.
Number One Cheating Game is Bacc and in some Countries they will cut your hands off if they catch you.
All Facts.

I ain't talkin about edge sortings, cheatings and other skullduggery just cats bettin big and winning large. And, I'm talkin about legit casino in North America not sawdust joint in shits hole, third world country, hey hey.

[Ozzy]

Shout out to "Linkman" Coilman, the number 1 ambassador for the Detroit/Windsor area. Nobody does a better job at promoting tourism in that area more then him. You da man !

[monet]

They are talking about how DI doesn't exist at WoV again.
If it doesn't exist why does the boxman get pissed off if you don't hit the wall every time?
Why don't they let you slide the dice?
Set the Dice and don't hit the back wall for a few rolls and see if they let you throw the dice anymore.
Dice can be manipulated.
That is fact.
How many people can actually do it and win on a consistent basis in a Casino Setting is another story.
David Blaine telling Lies again.
Mother Fucker!

I guess all those card mechanics are fake too.
No way someone could make a brand new deck of cards squirt cider in your ear with the Jack of Spades!?
When I worked for Magum I took a few required classes that spent a few hours showing us videos of cheats and card cheats.
You would be amazed at what people can do that you think isn't possible.
"Dad... I got an ear full of cider."

[kewlJ]

That's pretty harsh, KJ.

Mike is a "fair" and benevolent wizard IF you play by his written rules, which it appears DoofDawg has been doing.

MisterV, I took the liberty of moving this quote from the Mdawg thread, because it pertains to me and playing by the rules.

Did you see the thread that was the reason for my current suspension? It was made late Friday night and removed in it's entirety early Saturday morning, when I was suspended, so you may have missed it.

I forget the exact wording but it was something about asking Mike for a re-consideration of the "deal" that removed me from the Mdawg thread (at Mdawgs request I might add). I was respectful and laid out my case via several points. Now Mike read this thread late Friday night as he was logged on for 30 minutes after I wrote it. You can't tell me he didn't look at a new thread with that title and his name right in the title.

I sort of expected Wizard would decline my request as he almost always proves to be inflexible. He is one of those guys that thinks changing your mind shows some kind of weakness. So that is all he had to do is wake up Saturday morning and say "no". The deal stands.

Instead, he read the thread and saw a decent number of people liking posts and writing that they agreed and felt undermined and probably exploded as he tends to do. He suspended me for 14 days for trolling him and removed the thread in it's entirety.

Now the rules state posts and threads from banned members and socks of banned members are removed, otherwise, they stay. I was and still am neither banned, nor a sock of a banned member. That thread should have remained. Of course, Mike thinks it makes him look bad, so he can't have that.

I play by the rules....and the rules change AGAINST ME. This has happened several times now, the most famous, Mikes announcement of my ban, when he said Kewlj has been banned for something said on another forum. Mike's own rules state we don't consider things said on other forums. For one thing he can't be 100% sure a poster on another forum with the same handle is actually the same person on his forum. Anyway, playing by the rules hasn't gotten me very much.

[coach belly]

Mike's own rules state we don't consider things said on other forums.

There are exceptions to every rule, and you're the exception in this case.

Mike's gonna read what you've written about him here, and you'll be nuked.

[kewlJ]

Mike's own rules state we don't consider things said on other forums.

There are exceptions to every rule, and you're the exception in this case.

Mike's gonna read what you've written about him here, and you'll be nuked.

Do you think I didn't consider that when I wrote it. I am not afraid to speak my mind. I ask for fairness and consistency, and Mike hasn't shown me a lot of either.

[coach belly]

I ask for fairness and consistency,
and Mike hasn't shown me a lot of either.

Who are you to complain about that?

You don't show fairness and consistency,
you make shit up and present it as fact on a regular basis.

[OnceDear]

Instead, he read the thread and saw a decent number of people liking posts and writing that they agreed and felt undermined and probably exploded as he tends to do. He suspended me for 14 days for trolling him and removed the thread in it's entirety..

You are mistaken.