The WoV Thread

[AxelWolf]

WOV tried Utopia and they became corrupt. People should not post there any way, they are enemies to AP. I would not trust any of them farther than you can throw them and they do tend to be on the heavy side.

WOV isn't even close to the enemies of AP, it's but a tiny speck. Have you seen Twitter and various other social group platforms? I noticed the lockdown caused a tremendous amount of information sharing spreading like wildfire and an explosion in the number of people flocking to all areas of Advantage-Play once only card counters and poker players they are now getting into the slots, promos, and the mail game. I estimate the number of seriouse Advange Players in the last 2 years has increased by 6 times. I'm not just talking about machine bonus hustlers, I'm talking about people that do some real financial damage to the casinos.

That's really interesting. For sports betting, there's been a dramatic increase in number of players, fueled by internet accounts in those states with sports betting. Unlike machine or table play newcomers, however, this will have the overall effect of making life easier. You'll get big numbers of people who THINK they know what they're doing when they don't (the alleged "sharps" -- LOL) and huge numbers of recreational players. Nothing better than folks with money to burn and Wall Street jargon to misapply. Life got considerably easier.

Just an interesting contrast.

That's because sports is filled with opinions and oftentimes there is no provable advantage even by the sharpest people.
Most of the time when you can prove there's an advantage, it's a fairly small one percentage-wise.

Here is a question, let's say you have 2 of the smartest sports bettors but they oftentimes have a different opinion. I guess I didn't ask a question but I think you know the question.

[redietz]

WOV isn't even close to the enemies of AP, it's but a tiny speck. Have you seen Twitter and various other social group platforms? I noticed the lockdown caused a tremendous amount of information sharing spreading like wildfire and an explosion in the number of people flocking to all areas of Advantage-Play once only card counters and poker players they are now getting into the slots, promos, and the mail game. I estimate the number of seriouse Advange Players in the last 2 years has increased by 6 times. I'm not just talking about machine bonus hustlers, I'm talking about people that do some real financial damage to the casinos.

That's really interesting. For sports betting, there's been a dramatic increase in number of players, fueled by internet accounts in those states with sports betting. Unlike machine or table play newcomers, however, this will have the overall effect of making life easier. You'll get big numbers of people who THINK they know what they're doing when they don't (the alleged "sharps" -- LOL) and huge numbers of recreational players. Nothing better than folks with money to burn and Wall Street jargon to misapply. Life got considerably easier.

Just an interesting contrast.

That's because sports is filled with opinions and oftentimes there is no provable advantage even by the sharpest people.
Most of the time when you can prove there's an advantage, it's a fairly small one percentage-wise.

Here is a question, let's say you have 2 of the smartest sports bettors but they oftentimes have a different opinion. I guess I didn't ask a question but I think you know the question.

It just so happens that I have the perfect answer for you because I live it.

Let's say an, ahem, friend of mine has a track record in many ways superior to mine. This friend headed a large cartel of sports bettors in Las Vegas back in the 90's and early 2000's. We do things in completely different ways. For example, my friend takes 80% faves and I take 70% underdogs. Since we are taking these different teams, we do run into disagreements with some regularity.

Inevitably what happens when we disagree is that if my reasons are specific and technical in nature (let's say, for example, a run-and-shoot offense goes against an old wide tackle six), then most of the time I am right. But if my reasons are not specific but more of a general overall team strength assessment, and my friend likes the other side, then my friend is right most of the time.

The moral of the story is that if I see something specific my friend does not see or interpret, then I'm usually correct. If my friend has assessed context very carefully and I am making the play based on non specifics, usually I have missed something about the context of the game that is crucial to understanding how it will be played.

You would think it took a long time for us to figure this out, but it really did not. Both of us know that when we disagree, we need to reassess what we think we are looking at. This process actually augments our records, even though we are using completely different emphases.

Interestingly, I think Billy Walters started having issues when his initial people and analyses faded a bit, and he started assembling roundtables of experts, who he kept isolated from each other for the most part. The experts often disagreed.

This was part of the problem when gamblers used to hire so-called consensus services who rounded up the plays from the best handicappers and sold them under one roof. The gamblers would often have been better off just sticking with one flagship handicapper for years rather than trying to sort out what they should play from the consensus services.

And by the way, "provable advantage" is a kind of inappropriate term. All sports and race gambling is a game of opinion. If you're hoping to come up with some actual mathematical advantage and use that a springboard to profits, for the most part -- forget about it. Because people with better opinions than you have recognized the same math, and they are still ahead of you, which means they have probably pulled the trigger first, so you get the worst of the number or the worst of the situation. And, as you say, any math advantage of that kind is minimal anyway. Opinions trump any niggardly math angles.


Note to blackhole: Regarding values of posts, anybody who bets serious money on sports and reads this particular post just got a very valuable lesson in reality, history, and how to gamble on sports. I'm not sure anyone else on any forum could have laid it out like this, done it succinctly, and done it with particular historical examples to boot.

[mcap]

Wouldn’t the simple one sentence solution if you’re on opposite sides of the same game be to book each other’s action up to an equal amount and eliminate the vig.

[monet]

Wizard has turned on MDawg.
It's all over.
I hope that the people who hate MDawg, can now enjoy their life.
Perhaps you can go out and do a good deed or two.

[Tasha]

Wizard has turned on MDawg.
It's all over.
I hope that the people who hate MDawg, can now enjoy their life.
Perhaps you can go out and do a good deed or two.

I actually called out that Wizard turned on Mdawg when I mentioned Wizard hid Mdawg's Adventures Thread when he was Suspended and mentioned how shitty Wizard doing that really is. Now, Wizard has hidden "Is This Forum Dead?" Thread that Mdawg had started, the same day Mdawg got Suspended again (He JUST came back on SATURDAY after serving a one month Suspension and is already got a three day Suspension on Tuesday, just three days later. So sad.) So, keep in mind that this is at LEAST the SECOND time that Wizard has hidden a Mdawg Thread while he is SUSPENDED and can't have a say in his Thread(s) being hidden.

Wizard also hid the "I have learned," a Baccarat thread that was started by Mdawg's Protege and Fan, Marcus. I have a Theory that Wizard is trying to push Mdawg out the door without outright telling him to leave. It's just my Theory, but I feel my Theory holds a lot of water and has two legs to stand on.

[MaxPen]

Wizard has turned on MDawg.
It's all over.
I hope that the people who hate MDawg, can now enjoy their life.
Perhaps you can go out and do a good deed or two.

I actually called out that Wizard turned on Mdawg when I mentioned Wizard hid Mdawg's Adventures Thread when he was Suspended and mentioned how shitty Wizard doing that really is. Now, Wizard has hidden "Is This Forum Dead?" Thread that Mdawg had started, the same day Mdawg got Suspended again (He JUST came back on SATURDAY after serving a one month Suspension and is already got a three day Suspension on Tuesday, just three days later. So sad.) So, keep in mind that this is at LEAST the SECOND time that Wizard has hidden a Mdawg Thread while he is SUSPENDED and can't have a say in his Thread(s) being hidden.

Wizard also hid the "I have learned," a Baccarat thread that was started by Mdawg's Protege and Fan, Marcus. I have a Theory that Wizard is trying to push Mdawg out the door without outright telling him to leave. It's just my Theory, but I feel my Theory holds a lot of water and has two legs to stand on.

How does someone get a 3 day suspension after coming off a 30 day suspension? Sounds like Wizard is cutting him a break. That kind of shit is why that site is a joke.

[blackhole]

Note to blackhole: Regarding values of posts, anybody who bets serious money on sports and reads this particular post just got a very valuable lesson in reality, history, and how to gamble on sports. I'm not sure anyone else on any forum could have laid it out like this, done it succinctly, and done it with particular historical examples to boot.

Yes, I certainly got a very valuable lesson in sports betting reality.

Imagine trying to bank, feed, and supply a family’s daily and futures needs on what you just posted. Might not be too bad if you’re living single under the security of your moms roof in the basement. But trying to raise a family today with providing a home, medical, medicine, school, cloths. cars. Ins., marriage, retirement, vacations, and that list just got started; on the hopes that between two different opinions you come up with the right gambling decision sounds no different than a coin flip.

Just like Dan Druff blowing his own horn when he’s up a few units. That’s provided you’re betting exactly one unit per wager. How about when you love an opportunity and lay into it only to find out your wrong. What does that do to your book keeping.

Wonder what Kewlj has to say about this comment “If you're hoping to come up with some actual mathematical advantage and use that a springboard to profits, for the most part -- forget about it.”

Sorry Redietz, but this might explain why you’re where you are today. You might be able to trim the percentages in your favor, but it’s always still just a gamble. There are lots of smarter and safer ways to make a living. Gambling has to be on the bottom of that barrel except for a gifted few. Even that gifted few have to make it to retirement safely. Gambling should be treated like any other entertainment, and what you could afford to lose is all that matters.

I’m pretty sure if we were able to get an accurate estimate of successful gamblers living in casinos and sportsbooks, I would bet you have better odds of making a major league sports team, or winning a lottery for a buck.

God Speed gamblers.

[accountinquestion]

Note to blackhole: Regarding values of posts, anybody who bets serious money on sports and reads this particular post just got a very valuable lesson in reality, history, and how to gamble on sports. I'm not sure anyone else on any forum could have laid it out like this, done it succinctly, and done it with particular historical examples to boot.

Yes, I certainly got a very valuable lesson in sports betting reality.

Imagine trying to bank, feed, and supply a family’s daily and futures needs on what you just posted. Might not be too bad if you’re living single under the security of your moms roof in the basement. But trying to raise a family today with providing a home, medical, medicine, school, cloths. cars. Ins., marriage, retirement, vacations, and that list just got started; on the hopes that between two different opinions you come up with the right gambling decision sounds no different than a coin flip.

Just like Dan Druff blowing his own horn when he’s up a few units. That’s provided you’re betting exactly one unit per wager. How about when you love an opportunity and lay into it only to find out your wrong. What does that do to your book keeping.

Wonder what Kewlj has to say about this comment “If you're hoping to come up with some actual mathematical advantage and use that a springboard to profits, for the most part -- forget about it.”

Sorry Redietz, but this might explain why you’re where you are today. You might be able to trim the percentages in your favor, but it’s always still just a gamble. There are lots of smarter and safer ways to make a living. Gambling has to be on the bottom of that barrel except for a gifted few. Even that gifted few have to make it to retirement safely. Gambling should be treated like any other entertainment, and what you could afford to lose is all that matters.

I’m pretty sure if we were able to get an accurate estimate of successful gamblers living in casinos and sportsbooks, I would bet you have better odds of making a major league sports team, or winning a lottery for a buck.

God Speed gamblers.

If you're so smart and successful why can't you afford to hire a keeper to wipe the drool off your shirt and keyboard?

WHY?

Your understanding of gambling is horrible. You're obviously not intelligent enough to know anything given you seem to think a gambler's life earnings come down to 1 decision. Here is a clue and it is free!. There are infinite coin-flips. It isn't the decision on any one coinflip, but the system of whatever coinflips one does.

I know quite a few people who I assume make 6 figures off gambling. They at least seem happy at the moment, but no one on here is telling people that gambling is some great career choice. You don't even seem to make the 'happy threshold' in life, yet here you are relentlessly lecturing everyone.

You sit here and interact with people you're so sure are losers. You have no contributions. You don't belong. That doesn't matter, you're still miserable.

Obviously you made the right life decisions given you're hanging out with people you despise while drooling all over the fucking place.


shut
the
fuck
up !

[blackhole]

Trust me CUNT, no one here expected any more then your capable of posting.

Up early today. Humidifier in that basement not holding up?

[monet]

Up early today. Humidifier in that basement not holding up?

Do you need a humidifier when you sleep in a basement?
If you sleep with a humidifier and it breaks, does it cause you to wake up early?
Just Curious.

[accountinquestion]

Up early today. Humidifier in that basement not holding up?

Do you need a humidifier when you sleep in a basement?
If you sleep with a humidifier and it breaks, does it cause you to wake up early?
Just Curious.

Humidifier is not something around these parts nor are basements so it took me awhile to even understand he was trying to insult me.

Just more drool.

[mickeycrimm]

Note to blackhole: Regarding values of posts, anybody who bets serious money on sports and reads this particular post just got a very valuable lesson in reality, history, and how to gamble on sports. I'm not sure anyone else on any forum could have laid it out like this, done it succinctly, and done it with particular historical examples to boot.

Yes, I certainly got a very valuable lesson in sports betting reality.

Imagine trying to bank, feed, and supply a family’s daily and futures needs on what you just posted. Might not be too bad if you’re living single under the security of your moms roof in the basement. But trying to raise a family today with providing a home, medical, medicine, school, cloths. cars. Ins., marriage, retirement, vacations, and that list just got started; on the hopes that between two different opinions you come up with the right gambling decision sounds no different than a coin flip.

Just like Dan Druff blowing his own horn when he’s up a few units. That’s provided you’re betting exactly one unit per wager. How about when you love an opportunity and lay into it only to find out your wrong. What does that do to your book keeping.

Wonder what Kewlj has to say about this comment “If you're hoping to come up with some actual mathematical advantage and use that a springboard to profits, for the most part -- forget about it.”

Sorry Redietz, but this might explain why you’re where you are today. You might be able to trim the percentages in your favor, but it’s always still just a gamble. There are lots of smarter and safer ways to make a living. Gambling has to be on the bottom of that barrel except for a gifted few. Even that gifted few have to make it to retirement safely. Gambling should be treated like any other entertainment, and what you could afford to lose is all that matters.

I’m pretty sure if we were able to get an accurate estimate of successful gamblers living in casinos and sportsbooks, I would bet you have better odds of making a major league sports team, or winning a lottery for a buck.

God Speed gamblers.

I'm not a gambler.

[redietz]

Note to blackhole: Regarding values of posts, anybody who bets serious money on sports and reads this particular post just got a very valuable lesson in reality, history, and how to gamble on sports. I'm not sure anyone else on any forum could have laid it out like this, done it succinctly, and done it with particular historical examples to boot.

Yes, I certainly got a very valuable lesson in sports betting reality.

Imagine trying to bank, feed, and supply a family’s daily and futures needs on what you just posted. Might not be too bad if you’re living single under the security of your moms roof in the basement. But trying to raise a family today with providing a home, medical, medicine, school, cloths. cars. Ins., marriage, retirement, vacations, and that list just got started; on the hopes that between two different opinions you come up with the right gambling decision sounds no different than a coin flip.

Just like Dan Druff blowing his own horn when he’s up a few units. That’s provided you’re betting exactly one unit per wager. How about when you love an opportunity and lay into it only to find out your wrong. What does that do to your book keeping.

Wonder what Kewlj has to say about this comment “If you're hoping to come up with some actual mathematical advantage and use that a springboard to profits, for the most part -- forget about it.”

Sorry Redietz, but this might explain why you’re where you are today. You might be able to trim the percentages in your favor, but it’s always still just a gamble. There are lots of smarter and safer ways to make a living. Gambling has to be on the bottom of that barrel except for a gifted few. Even that gifted few have to make it to retirement safely. Gambling should be treated like any other entertainment, and what you could afford to lose is all that matters.

I’m pretty sure if we were able to get an accurate estimate of successful gamblers living in casinos and sportsbooks, I would bet you have better odds of making a major league sports team, or winning a lottery for a buck.

God Speed gamblers.

Blackhole,

Well, first of all, "where I am," in terms of net worth, is better than the majority of Americans. But that's neither here nor there.

Do you have any idea how difficult it is to helm a sports service that tells the truth all of the time? LOL. It's amazing that I wasn't forced to do something completely different after the first year I went national. I lost that first national year. I had had a tremendous year the prior year (when I had a column with plays at the Valley View Citizen Standard), but I lost the first year I went national, and I returned clients' fees after the season. So I was effectively broke going forwards.

The business is 90% or more scam artists. To sit here for 40 years and tell the blessed truth every single time, in every ad and every conversation, in every brochure, in every interaction with reporters or academics, how do you think that affects someone's bottom line? I chuckle my brains out.

And then to stick to my guns, handicap only football, and basically make a reputation specifically in college football? What effects do you think that has on a bottom line?

You gotta be kidding me, criticizing me for surviving and winding up in better shape than most Americans.

I play about a hundred college games each year. That's it. There's no magic to this; no wands to wave. There's not hundreds or thousands of plays each year. It's hard. And I have losing years.

So why do it? Because it's (1) what I do best and (2) I thought it could give me a platform to do more important things, like my blog, for instance. I grew up in a small mining town to a working class family. I was the third person in my entire extended family, extending out to cousins, to ever go to college, and that was on an earned National Merit Scholarship. Even then, I had Popcorn Tuesdays in college because I couldn't afford anything else.

So am I supposed to be embarrassed to end up better off than most Americans? To have conducted Integrity Sports in the most pristine, above board manner possible?

How many businesses do you know that have always, as in ALWAYS, told the truth in all of their advertisements? You think any of them would survive in the USA? LOL.

I love where I "wound up." I'm arguably the best there is at what I do. I have learned enough about various academic subjects to understand what questions to ask, which is how I've gotten everything about the pandemic correct. And I have "Good Food" Wednesdays from Cheddars or Outback, which beats "Popcorn Tuesdays" all to hell, but does nothing for my waistline.

God bless you, blackhole. You made me feel better about myself just remembering that I pulled this off for 40 years.

Now here's a question, blackhole. Did you start from modest beginnings, or were you one of those "daddy's boys?" Just curious. You look down your nose at people at certain income levels (below yours), you don't necessarily respect people at higher income levels than yours (say, Dan Druff or some of the guys I work with), but you've never mentioned pulling yourself up by bootstraps.

[unJon]

I have learned enough about various academic subjects to understand what questions to ask, which is how I've gotten everything about the pandemic correct.

LOL. Everything? You especially got the gloves part right. Stay in your lane. Thanks for the chuckle.

[kewlJ]

Wizard has turned on MDawg.
It's all over.
I hope that the people who hate MDawg, can now enjoy their life.
Perhaps you can go out and do a good deed or two.

I actually called out that Wizard turned on Mdawg when I mentioned Wizard hid Mdawg's Adventures Thread when he was Suspended and mentioned how shitty Wizard doing that really is. Now, Wizard has hidden "Is This Forum Dead?" Thread that Mdawg had started, the same day Mdawg got Suspended again (He JUST came back on SATURDAY after serving a one month Suspension and is already got a three day Suspension on Tuesday, just three days later. So sad.) So, keep in mind that this is at LEAST the SECOND time that Wizard has hidden a Mdawg Thread while he is SUSPENDED and can't have a say in his Thread(s) being hidden.

Wizard also hid the "I have learned," a Baccarat thread that was started by Mdawg's Protege and Fan, Marcus. I have a Theory that Wizard is trying to push Mdawg out the door without outright telling him to leave. It's just my Theory, but I feel my Theory holds a lot of water and has two legs to stand on.

How does someone get a 3 day suspension after coming off a 30 day suspension? Sounds like Wizard is cutting him a break. That kind of shit is why that site is a joke.

Mdawgs 3 day suspension even more of a joke, when you consider someone else on the same topic but other side of the argument, also coming off a 30 day suspension, recieved another 30 day suspension.

The only good I can see from this is that Wizard has lost control of his forum with many members speaking out against the MaryDawg "fairytales", because they defy math and the way the Las vegas casino industry works. And MaryDawg having made up a lie about Montreal Canadian players gambling at the Wynn, when they were in Montreal under quarantine at the time, proves that he is making stuff up to generate the attention he needs.

So Wizard has had to suspend numerous people, all becaause he didn't step in and end this fantasy bullshit much earlier when he should have. HE (wizard) was supposed to be the one calling out this BS. That is what his mission statemnet was when he started the forum. But now he just doesn't give a damn.

[redietz]

I have learned enough about various academic subjects to understand what questions to ask, which is how I've gotten everything about the pandemic correct.

LOL. Everything? You especially got the gloves part right. Stay in your lane. Thanks for the chuckle.

You are, of course, correct. I got the gloves wrong in February 2020. However, you wouldn't know I got the gloves wrong unless I told you after the fact because I never wrote about it or recommended it in any post or piece of writing. I never said, "Wear gloves," or "Don't wear gloves; wear masks." So you know I was wrong because I told you after the fact that I had been wrong. Ah yes, the poster who tells you when he's made errors in judgement that are private.

Certainly worthy of chuckles.

I was simply wrong regarding my own safety, and my girlfriend was correct. The reason I reported that I was wrong after the fact, in my blog for example, was to emphasize the disconnect early in the pandemic between CDC and administration recommendations and protocols being recommended by various international experts whose countries had recently dealt with other pandemics. Most of the time, the international experts turned out to be more correct than the CDC or the Trump administration. The moral of the story was to pay attention to international experts.

So I'll amend my statement, "I got everything right that I actually wrote about in advance, posted about in advance, or recommended in advance regarding the pandemic."

Thanks for allowing me to spell that out.

And now unJon can take a crack at finding something I may have gotten publicly wrong. Good luck with that. I was a tad light on my estimated number of likely deaths back in April 2020, but I was certainly much more accurate than anyone in the administration at the time. I lowballed Osterholm's numbers, and should just have gone with them full bore.

[Garnabby]

Three things you can count on in life.

1) Crimm (and company) to say ever nuttier stuff.

2) KJ to keep writing whatever.

3) Red to set the record straight.

Oh, the fourth is MrV to use ever loftier words to shit on himself. Ha.

[Garnabby]

And the true meaning of Christmas ...

[unJon]

@redietz

No I’m not going to go hunting for public misstatements you made. I’m not Coachbelly. It was funny because I had just read your glove post so was in my memory.

Listen, you seem like a smart guy and mostly logical. But you tend to speak in absolutes and toot your own horn constantly. I’m sure you are aware that those personality quirks aren’t very likable. Nothing personal.

[The Boz]