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  1. #801
    Can I start a thread that includes members who I want to leave us(not permanently of course)?

    AxelWolf's latest post on WoV ^^^

    Interesting double innuendo joke. Also interesting notes about this post... he quotes the Wizard asking permission and he refers to "us" meaning the "group" or the ones that are together.

    I know I'm still talking about this and the truth is I don't care much anymore. The whole thing is so obvious. It didn't take me long at WoV to realize something was wrong. When I questioned why nobody talks about gambling or the real Vegas over there they told me publicly that it's all done privately. Well I didn't like that. I'm not PMing 10 different people. It didn't take long to realize the forum was just a recruiting grounds for the crews or teams and the rec Gamblers don't really have a clue. Honestly a forum full of APs mixing with Casino Pit Bosses and Rec Gamblers?? Anyone in this business is going to realize something is wrong.

  2. #802
    Even if you tell the 99% what you are doing they will generally dismiss you as either unbelievably lucky or crazy. There were a million questions on Reddit about paddock and advantage VP play after the shooting. I was giving examples of good games combined with point promotions / mail to get over 100%. No one believed me. I felt like I was arguing against the entire internet. Eventually it was apparent the "casinos always win" mentally was just too strong to overcome and I gave up. If you think teaching a ploppie how to improve is tough, try teaching a non-gambler / I go once a year with $75 in mad money player. Why would it make any sense that someone who studies, scouts, and practices has better results than someone who sits down in front of any random game and pushes random button? Maybe because hard work always (or at least generally) pays off!

  3. #803
    Originally Posted by blackhole View Post
    Throughout my life anything more than the occasional vacation where casinos existed, or an occasional weekend visit to A.C. / Las Vegas for special shows, fights, performances, business presentations, etc. would always be kept private amongst certain friends.

    I’m not sure if that view still exists today, especially when you consider how fucked up the left wing liberal nuts are endlessly contaminating our kid’s views recruiting them at an early age that their beliefs are the right beliefs without allowing any reasonable debate. But casino gambling in the business world was a no-no and best kept secret for most who did it.

    Regardless, in the non-gambling world, anything more than the occasional gambling visit was considered taboo and would carry with it a negative view from most of the people you’re surrounded by on a daily basis. If you were a known gambler, your opportunities would shrink or actually become non-existent. Uncertainly and distrust seemed to always be towed behind open gamblers.

    Maybe, because the mob actually started the whole Vegas thing, maybe, because of the amount of lives proven to be affected by it in a negative way over time. Broken homes, children being cheated out of a normal life, divorces, stealing to gamble, the list could go on for pages. Many people were fortunate to make enough money to enjoy the thrill, and most knew when to draw the line. Anything less would always lead to problems if not disaster.

    The good list is very short. The one in a million jackpot that changes a life hopefully for the better. Owners and operator profits, early stock investors. Getting to shake hands with people like Frank Sinatra. Of course, we can’t forget about the hustling AP’s, at least according to these gambling forums, filled with alleged AP’s making alleged livings off it.

    The poker rush at one time gave a great opportunity early on to certain players to cash in big time. But all those tricks of the trade were exposed, and for the most part although having poker talents could still be an advantage to a point, to win big today you need the right BINGO card, and all your stars need to be aligned.

    I love when AP’s want to bring up the rare AP play like Don Johnson’s negotiated blackjack advantage, (that still had the chance of going bad) All anyone needed to get that deal was to prove to the casino you were willing to lose a few million dollars. That one-shot wonder deal will never happen again. How about Phil Ivey and his baccarat two-shot wonder? From what I recall he never got the 8 million from London and has to return the 10 million he won to Borgata. Besides, Ivey could eventually become just another poker AP'er has been if he doesn’t run for the hills while he still has a few bucks left. Time will only tell.

    The hustling AP’s all over these forums as far as I’m concerned are two-bit bullshit artists. I joined a couple forums just to challenge the AP hustling bullshit I was reading about. The only one I almost was able to get close enough to for a challenge, was the biggest hustler of all WON.

    Maybe, certain AP’s did make some money hustling all over the country with connections, and scams. Maybe they were in the right places at the right time. Heck, there was a time BJ was a good thing. Yet, like all exposed Advantage Plays their all in the rearview mirror.

    Thanks to Monet and guys like Mickey for exposing the hectic hustling AP’ing life actually is. I also understand how some AP hustlers coming from the homeless ranks at one time consider themselves blessed. I consider myself fortunate I never had to experience that form of hustling.

    I also believe that most hustling AP’s doing this for their full time living, support themselves as much as possible off the government for health care and back up, and will eventually count on this to live period.

    Hyperbole isn't necessary here, blackhole. It may also be a worthwhile exercise to put some of these AP "failures" in cultural context.

    While someone like T.J. Cloutier, who won bracelets before the poker boom, experienced financial duress due to his own proclivities and lack of discipline, it's unlikely Ivey is ever going to run out of backers.

    And realistically, our Prez has made the most successful career imaginable out of repeated bankruptcies, massive loans from questionable sources, and almost 4000 lawsuits stretched out over 40 years as a way of achieving. President Trump may be the ultimate AP. He and his family, when the smoke clears, have all of the trademark AP issues of which you speak --

    Not everyone grasps onto your version of The American Dream. That's the biggest conceit of yours. Why should everyone want to be like you? You perceive the AP lifestyle as portrayed here as an under-consuming nightmare. The APs probably see your life as a boring, sycophantic waste of 70 years. Who's right? I don't know, but you win the award for arrogance.

    Finally, regarding sports betting, horse betting, and playing poker outside the confines of casinos --- those endeavors are games of opinion. Math doesn't necessarily grind them down. They are beatable endeavors. Very difficult -- but beatable. If you label any of these as unbeatable (why, because you can't?), you are simply fundamentally wrong.

    I think your horror at the bedraggled, work-a-day lives of the APs reporting here tells us something about you. You are actually the anomaly. Most people in this country, and certainly most people in this world, live bedraggled, work-a-day grind lives. You seem to find APs lacking when they don't live six-figure-a-year consumer lives. In that regard, you'd find about 20% of combined income households in the US make 100K. Under 10% of non-family households make 100K. So is your posting mainly a way to brag about your income/lifestyle, a la Mr. Mendelson? Because positing that the APs here make less money than the average American or average person seems incorrect. Mickey and monet do fine.
    Last edited by redietz; 03-25-2018 at 11:05 AM.

  4. #804
    Wow redietz … I didn’t mean to bring out of you your left wing liberal insanity drivel demonstrated in your post above.

    Something I said obviously hit a nerve. Not sure what you’re even talking about if that was a response to my post.

    If you're looking for debate, you need to come back to planet earth first.

  5. #805
    Originally Posted by monet View Post
    Can I start a thread that includes members who I want to leave us(not permanently of course)?

    AxelWolf's latest post on WoV ^^^
    Funniest (sad funny) thing ever posted at WoV is Wizards response to Axel's post (above)

    Wizard wrote: Perhaps you were joking, but no. I'm not big on threads that only serve to divide.

    He is not big on dividing!?!? That is all he does anymore. His thing seems to be exerting authority over this forum as though it is some fantasy place and he is king. I would have thought Axel's suggestion would have been right up wizzy's alley.

  6. #806
    I just read a PM from Axelwolf, that was in response to what I posted earlier. I am going to share (paraphrase) since it is directly related to what I posted publicly a day or two ago. He claims I am painting him in a bad light. He claims he doesn't dislike me and tried to help me. All the usual BS, attempting to play me.

    My response to him was that he and I are done. Have a good life. How the F**k does this guy even manage to see where he is going....walking around ith his nose stuck so far up Mike's ass like that?? These two, Axel and Mike are two peas in a pod. They use people and are both immature, seemingly have never progressed beyond Jr High mentality.

    Axel if you want to dispute what I said earlier of your handling and mediation of things, I can easily post screen shots of Pm's as I did with Mike when he repeatedly refused to acknowledge the truth. I mean what the F**K is the matter with you people.

  7. #807
    Axel's had one purpose here and that was to protect Mike. He tried to keep anyone who might have something negative to say about Mike, calm and minimize the damage.

  8. #808
    Originally Posted by blackhole View Post
    Throughout my life anything more than the occasional vacation where casinos existed, or an occasional weekend visit to A.C. / Las Vegas for special shows, fights, performances, business presentations, etc. would always be kept private amongst certain friends.

    I’m not sure if that view still exists today, especially when you consider how fucked up the left wing liberal nuts are endlessly contaminating our kid’s views recruiting them at an early age that their beliefs are the right beliefs without allowing any reasonable debate. But casino gambling in the business world was a no-no and best kept secret for most who did it.

    Regardless, in the non-gambling world, anything more than the occasional gambling visit was considered taboo and would carry with it a negative view from most of the people you’re surrounded by on a daily basis. If you were a known gambler, your opportunities would shrink or actually become non-existent. Uncertainly and distrust seemed to always be towed behind open gamblers.

    Maybe, because the mob actually started the whole Vegas thing, maybe, because of the amount of lives proven to be affected by it in a negative way over time. Broken homes, children being cheated out of a normal life, divorces, stealing to gamble, the list could go on for pages. Many people were fortunate to make enough money to enjoy the thrill, and most knew when to draw the line. Anything less would always lead to problems if not disaster.

    The good list is very short. The one in a million jackpot that changes a life hopefully for the better. Owners and operator profits, early stock investors. Getting to shake hands with people like Frank Sinatra. Of course, we can’t forget about the hustling AP’s, at least according to these gambling forums, filled with alleged AP’s making alleged livings off it.

    The poker rush at one time gave a great opportunity early on to certain players to cash in big time. But all those tricks of the trade were exposed, and for the most part although having poker talents could still be an advantage to a point, to win big today you need the right BINGO card, and all your stars need to be aligned.

    I love when AP’s want to bring up the rare AP play like Don Johnson’s negotiated blackjack advantage, (that still had the chance of going bad) All anyone needed to get that deal was to prove to the casino you were willing to lose a few million dollars. That one-shot wonder deal will never happen again. How about Phil Ivey and his baccarat two-shot wonder? From what I recall he never got the 8 million from London and has to return the 10 million he won to Borgata. Besides, Ivey could eventually become just another poker AP'er has been if he doesn’t run for the hills while he still has a few bucks left. Time will only tell.

    The hustling AP’s all over these forums as far as I’m concerned are two-bit bullshit artists. I joined a couple forums just to challenge the AP hustling bullshit I was reading about. The only one I almost was able to get close enough to for a challenge, was the biggest hustler of all WON.

    Maybe, certain AP’s did make some money hustling all over the country with connections, and scams. Maybe they were in the right places at the right time. Heck, there was a time BJ was a good thing. Yet, like all exposed Advantage Plays their all in the rearview mirror.

    Thanks to Monet and guys like Mickey for exposing the hectic hustling AP’ing life actually is. I also understand how some AP hustlers coming from the homeless ranks at one time consider themselves blessed. I consider myself fortunate I never had to experience that form of hustling.

    I also believe that most hustling AP’s doing this for their full time living, support themselves as much as possible off the government for health care and back up, and will eventually count on this to live period.
    It's to bad WoN didn't work on tagging you for some money. You're one of the suckers born every minute. If he just worked assholes like you it wouldn't be a problem with me.

    This is my hectic hustling lifestyle. I spend maybe 4 hours a day in a casino and it's split up between two shifts. I'm not thrashing around like a chicken with it's head cut off. I just mosey around and pick off the money. There's no reason to get in a hurry. I've got plenty of time. The money will be there when I get there. The rest of the time I'm lounging around watching TV, sleeping or on the computer.

    AP'ing is not in the rearview mirror. It's better today than it ever was. Your perception of us is based in your hubris. You're an idiot with a big ego. You think that if you can't do it, and you can't, that it's not possible for anyone else to do it. That's what a dummazzz you are.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  9. #809
    Typical response and words of wisdom from the bottle deposit income hustling two-bit AP king Mickey.

    Suckers, assholes, idiot, dummazzz. And that response was mild considering most of his past posts.

    You hustling AP’s don’t want debate, just arguments because you have nothing.

    When I joined WOV and jumped all over Axel and WON I was banned quickly. Axel even pretended in a post that since I joined he was getting calls and hang-ups from some unknown person unsure of who I might be. Maybe he thought I was one of his hustled victims who had his phone number.

    WON even posted he was asking Mods for my banning. I think I lasted one or two more posts after that and BBB followed through with my first banning.
    I was banned again after that, then after calling Mike S. out on facts I was nuked with no response to my call out.

    The more evidence that keeps getting exposed at gambling sites, and honest posters like Monet give clues to what really goes on, it's obvious how the whole underground thing is every bit as dirty as most thought. That's why there could never be logical debate.

  10. #810
    Here's the problem with blackhole's perspective. It's based primarily on what he prefers to believe.

    For example, I could say I was going to come clean on all of the backdoor PM scamming and recruitment I'd done on many and various sites under many and various names for the last 30 years. Maybe I found God. Maybe I have a disease and I'm old. I'm sure I could come up with a dozen anecdotes and plots detailing all of my scams and lies. So if I write all of that out and confess to my transgressions, what would blackhole say? Would he pull out his cynical magnifying glass and declare it bullshit? Or would he use it as proof of what he's been saying all along?

    That's the problem. If anybody else comes on here and posts about what a slimy manipulative AP he's been, blackhole would believe it. If you come on and say you don't cheat or scam anyone, he won't believe it. He chooses what to believe based on what he himself can or cannot do and what he prefers to believe.

  11. #811
    Why is my perspective a problem with you redietz? My perspective is primarily based on information I receive, as limited as it may or may not be. Be it right or wrong, in order for me to change that perspective I would need additional information to confirm that change. My primary believes can't be right because they don't align with your primary believes? Your response again is the typical lib-tart reaction to any logical debate.

    The only confirmation of events involving AP’ing usually involves endless lying, confirmed hustling, and no evidence by anyone at any time especially on gambling forums that it’s a safe and a successful way of life. Other than the rare multimillion-dollar AP schemes that were exposed, there doesn’t appear to be any proof anywhere about forum AP’s success. Unless you want to count hustling down two-bit jackpots from the x-homeless, x-alcoholic, lonely mental patient Mickey Crumbs as some type of the good AP life.

    I know redietz, your proven sports picks record speaks for itself, and anyone looking to make money should find you for advice. (of course, for a small fee) You happy now redeitz? I ran an ad for you. Everyone knows your responses will eventually lead to your self promotion. I truly believe you don't believe half the shit you write. Being a sports analyzer you have to know better. I think you print what you say for the sake of new customers.

  12. #812
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post

    You tuned into HBO 2nite also !! Great flick, I really enjoyed it and hope there is a sequel.
    You caught me! However, I did watch this before it hit HBO. When I seen the previews I didn’t see it in the theaters because they didn’t advertise it very well. They made it look like it was going to be something like Salt or Lucy or something that wasn’t to my interest. If they would of stressed the East/West Germany Berlin Wall they would of got me and they didn’t stress the 80s theme with the 80s soundtrack which would of hooked me as well. They stressed some super woman kicking ass in the previews only with dyed hair. They also named the movie poorly in my opinion. I didn’t take it seriously.

    Not such a bad thing. It can be nice to rent a movie that you think is going to be horrible and it starts off with Russian Spies killing British Spies for the list. Next you start the movie with a song that is themed putting out fires with gasoline! Great Bowie song/line. You have to love the image of trying to put out a fire with gasoline!

    The movie wasn’t one of the greatest but it is far better than expected. My problem is some tiny woman kicking everyone’s ass and never losing. Little too unrealistic for me but her contact was great as the guy who could get things done and had no morals. This character was far more realistic. I do not see how you make a sequel unless maybe you show how she became a spy or how she infiltrated the Russians. Since the Berlin Wall fell in this movie it would be tough to stick to the Cold War 80s theme.

    If you like movies about Berlin and spies or the Stasi and such I recommend the 2006 German Subtitled film “The Lives Of Others” that is really good IMO... also a movie called “Good” is interesting as well. Not exactly on those lines since it is pre-Berlin Wall but it has enough meat to stay interested. The problem with the movie “Good” is this square nerdy guy trades his loving wife and family for some adulterous affair with a younger student. That’s ugly but the movie makes up with realistic problems like his elderly mother trying to swallow 100s of pills to commit suicide and it shows how the Nazis rise to power and how people have little loyalty ready to betray friends and family either out of spite or selfishness.
    Last edited by monet; 03-25-2018 at 04:51 PM.

  13. #813
    Of course the movie did have a budget of 30mil and grossed 100mil worldwide so I suppose they could make a sequel on those numbers but I can't imagine it being better. That being said... Hollywood made 8 or 9 Fast and Furious movies so what do I know!?

  14. #814
    Actually putting out a fire with gasoline isn't such a stretch if we remember that it's a gases vapor that burns, and not a gas fuel, itself. Especially, in the case of diesel.

    https://www.quora.com/Is-it-possible...-with-gasoline
    78255585899=317*13723*17989=(310+7)*[(13730-7)*(100*100+7979+10)]-->LOVE avatar@137_371_179_791, or 137_371_17[3^2]_7[3^2]1, 1=V-->Ace, low. 78255585899-->99858555287=(99858555288-1)=[-1+(72*2227)*(722777-100000)]={-1+(72*2227)*[(2000+700777+20000)-100000]}-->1_722_227_277_772_1. 7×8×2×5×5×5×8×5×8×9×9=362880000=(1000000000-6√97020000-100000)-->169_721. (7/8×2/5×5/5×8/5×8/9×9)={[(-.1+.9)]^2×(6+1)}-->1961=√4*2.24; (1/7×8/2×5/5×5/8×5/8×9/9)={1/[7×(-.2+1)^2]}-->1721=[(10*10/4)/(√4+110)].

  15. #815
    Originally Posted by Bill Yung View Post
    Actually putting out a fire with gasoline isn't such a stretch if we remember that it's a gases vapor that burns, and not a gas fuel, itself. Especially, in the case of diesel.

    https://www.quora.com/Is-it-possible...-with-gasoline
    Alright Mr Yung but according to the way I read that you need the gas to be minus 45 degrees Fahrenheit and you need a lot of it or you need the fire to be very very small like a match. Doesn't seem realistic in real world situations, perhaps in the classroom or laboratory but not realistic.

    Who is walking around with ice cold gasoline... come on lol?? I know you have a rebuttal for this so please continue on.

    Hey we got a fire here... ok get the can of gas that is in the ice cold refrigerator and we can put it out! We always have plenty of ice cold gas for emergencies like this!

    That link said it would take a thousand gallons of ice cold gas to put out a campfire... you little rascal messing with me!
    Last edited by monet; 03-25-2018 at 05:14 PM.

  16. #816
    It's only a week until the first of the month when blackstinkhole gets another check he can blow in the casinos. He'll be busy for a few days so we'll get a reprieve from his asinine junvenile postings where he whines and cries about "it just can't be true about AP's....boohoo......cry....snivel.....snivel....cr y....snivel....snivel." But only for a few days until he goes broke. Then he'll be back at the keyboard sitting out the rest of the month going "cry....snivel....snivel....it's cant be true about AP's....cry....snivel....snivel" until another social security check comes in.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  17. #817
    At the other end of the scale, too much flour dust in the air in a flour mill could spark off enough of an explosion to take out half a block.
    78255585899=317*13723*17989=(310+7)*[(13730-7)*(100*100+7979+10)]-->LOVE avatar@137_371_179_791, or 137_371_17[3^2]_7[3^2]1, 1=V-->Ace, low. 78255585899-->99858555287=(99858555288-1)=[-1+(72*2227)*(722777-100000)]={-1+(72*2227)*[(2000+700777+20000)-100000]}-->1_722_227_277_772_1. 7×8×2×5×5×5×8×5×8×9×9=362880000=(1000000000-6√97020000-100000)-->169_721. (7/8×2/5×5/5×8/5×8/9×9)={[(-.1+.9)]^2×(6+1)}-->1961=√4*2.24; (1/7×8/2×5/5×5/8×5/8×9/9)={1/[7×(-.2+1)^2]}-->1721=[(10*10/4)/(√4+110)].

  18. #818
    Originally Posted by blackhole View Post
    Why is my perspective a problem with you redietz? My perspective is primarily based on information I receive, as limited as it may or may not be. Be it right or wrong, in order for me to change that perspective I would need additional information to confirm that change. My primary believes can't be right because they don't align with your primary believes? Your response again is the typical lib-tart reaction to any logical debate.

    The only confirmation of events involving AP’ing usually involves endless lying, confirmed hustling, and no evidence by anyone at any time especially on gambling forums that it’s a safe and a successful way of life. Other than the rare multimillion-dollar AP schemes that were exposed, there doesn’t appear to be any proof anywhere about forum AP’s success. Unless you want to count hustling down two-bit jackpots from the x-homeless, x-alcoholic, lonely mental patient Mickey Crumbs as some type of the good AP life.

    I know redietz, your proven sports picks record speaks for itself, and anyone looking to make money should find you for advice. (of course, for a small fee) You happy now redeitz? I ran an ad for you. Everyone knows your responses will eventually lead to your self promotion. I truly believe you don't believe half the shit you write. Being a sports analyzer you have to know better. I think you print what you say for the sake of new customers.
    The fact is, if I come on here under another name and claim I've scammed people, you'd use that as evidence for what you believe. I come on here, however, under my name, and say I haven't scammed anybody, you won't believe that.

    Your response to me, by the way, demonstrates that you just spout without information. I haven't "charged a fee" for a decade except for those folks who were grandfathered in if they preferred it. I'm not "advertising" because it's highly unlikely I would find anybody on any of these forums with whom I'd want to work. Now, I will be absolutely honest in that my Wise Guys performance led a couple of people to contact me. I told them at the time (beginning of December) that the profit-making time of the season was finished, but I would email them what we were doing the rest of the year, and they could contact me next season if they were interested. Note: no fees.

    Yeah, I'm a real profiteer. Good try, though. Keep guessing regarding me. Eventually you'll get something right.

  19. #819
    Originally Posted by monet View Post
    You caught me! However, I did watch this before it hit HBO.
    First off Monet, I would like to apologize to you as my comment was not intended to come off as a gotcha. I just thought it was a cool coincidence because I had just come off watching the movie on HBO and then saw your post when I turned on the computer right afterwards. I didn't see the movie in the theater for similar reasons as you - I just thought it was another action movie steeped in hyperbole (like the Commando movie with Arnold sort of where he takes out an army with his bare hands and a rifle). Now of course, movies are for entertainment so reality has to be suspended in most movies - this girl kicks every person's ass (except for the Russian guy who ripped the key out of his cheek) as you mentioned, but entertaining none the less. Then there was the glaring plot hole - so Spyglass had completely memorized the list (you know how it goes -there's always a list that has to be obtained at all costs), yet he had no reaction (distrust) at being rescued by the double agent (every aspect of his demeanor indicted that he believed she worked exclusively for MI6), Satchel even though he had seen the list and would have absolutely known she was Satchel, the double agent (or triple agent if you will), from the get-go. I totally agree with you that her contact, Gordan Merkel, was very realistic.

    Anyhow, these are some other spy movies I really liked (and thanks for your recommendations):
    1. Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy
    2. The International
    3. Bourne Identity
    4. The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo (Black Swan was very good too, I thought).

  20. #820
    It’s funny how the group of alleged AP’s who visit here on a regular basis from WOV mostly went dark since the WON exposer.

    It’s obvious they all communicated via PM to remain silent except for the few who call this place home. Just another indication of how a bunch of bull-shitting hustlers stick together. They know they can’t get away with just posting on nonsense topics here like nothing happened like their doing at their real home base WOV.

    It also appears they also realize they can’t toss their phony bullshit around here and get away with it any longer since Monet arrived. Monet apparently knows some of them in real life and he won’t let their hustling bullshit fly anymore.

    In the past they were able to team up and convince Dan to get rid of all the nay sayers so all their AP friends would join the site. This too was a fraud in order just to have another location to recruit. But they certainly can’t challenge or get rid of one of their own spilling out actual facts.

    To think in a couple of months I’ll be living between New York and Nevada throughout the years only a half hour from all these hustling AP’s. While visiting the strip I’m going to pay attention and see if I could pick out a hustler. I’ll just yell out a couple of names like “hey Axel” etc. and see if they turn around.

    I always thought most of the hustling alleged AP’s and the WOV web site was full of shit, but now I’m convinced.

    Ciao

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