The WoV Thread

[jdaewoo]

I ask myself at least once a week, "how the hell do people play this shit straight and think it is fun?". My only two answers are they like abuse or they're retarded.

98% of the slots I play I'm on a straight trajectory down until something happens and I stop playing. I have no fucking clue how people keep smashing their heads into the 85-90% RTP brick wall and keep coming back for more.

I get table play. Way fewer decisions. Lower edge. It's super possible for ploppies like the dog, Rob or 18yo man to have lots of winning sessions in a row and convince themselves they're smarter than the average loser when in fact they are the prototypical average loser.

But slots man. No fucking clue how people play those on the regular.

[monet]

I ask myself at least once a week, "how the hell do people play this shit straight and think it is fun?". My only two answers are they like abuse or they're retarded.

98% of the slots I play I'm on a straight trajectory down until something happens and I stop playing. I have no fucking clue how people keep smashing their heads into the 85-90% RTP brick wall and keep coming back for more.

I get table play. Way fewer decisions. Lower edge. It's super possible for ploppies like the dog, Rob or 18yo man to have lots of winning sessions in a row and convince themselves they're smarter than the average loser when in fact they are the prototypical average loser.

But slots man. No fucking clue how people play those on the regular.

Exactly.
Anyone who plays reels understands that its a Fucking Swirly Machine in a direct spiral downward from the jump.
Does anyone know how much of the Casino Floor is dedicated to machines?
70% or 90% or 97%??

[Alan Mendelson]

Well jdaewoo, I dont play slots. And while I know you won't take any advice from 18 yo man I suggest that you'll find some relief from your bitterness in another job, hobby, or pastime than being an AP in a casino. (You are a profit making AP, right?)

I think its unfortunate for people who dont have jobs they enjoy. In TV it's not uncommon for people to say "I can't believe they pay us for this."

If you can't enjoy your job find another. But you should know there are people who would love doing what you do, even if you can't enjoy it yourself.

[Alan Mendelson]

I ask myself at least once a week, "how the hell do people play this shit straight and think it is fun?". My only two answers are they like abuse or they're retarded.

98% of the slots I play I'm on a straight trajectory down until something happens and I stop playing. I have no fucking clue how people keep smashing their heads into the 85-90% RTP brick wall and keep coming back for more.

I get table play. Way fewer decisions. Lower edge. It's super possible for ploppies like the dog, Rob or 18yo man to have lots of winning sessions in a row and convince themselves they're smarter than the average loser when in fact they are the prototypical average loser.

But slots man. No fucking clue how people play those on the regular.

Exactly.
Anyone who plays reels understands that its a Fucking Swirly Machine in a direct spiral downward from the jump.
Does anyone know how much of the Casino Floor is dedicated to machines?
70% or 90% or 97%??

The Indian casino tribe that bought the Palms has a California casino that is 99% slots... with maybe ten video poker machines. The rest is all slots. Real slots that people with attention deficit disorder need.

I suspect they'll do the same thing to Palms.

Slots dont need many people... meaning employees.

[redietz]

Redietz, you wrote:

" If people spend 30, 40, 50% of their income at a casino, more power to them."

What if they're not spending a big percentage of their money? What if they have the money to bet and to lose? What if they're not watching every penny and have to be on the lookout for abandoned credits and dealers who expose hole cards? What if they don't care about free play mailers?

What if they have real jobs and going to a casino is am escape? And blowing money is okay?

I wasn't being facetious or sarcastic. I really believe that. It's your money. If you want so spend it on casinos or hookers, who am I to say that's inferior to spending it on a home in the burbs or gas-burning vehicles or sex robots?

I laid this out in various blog entries. If a surgeon needs to blow 10K a weekend at the tables to unwind and give some neural pathways a rest, so be it. If a guy making 100K a year blows 50K of it at casinos so as to get laid, good for him.

[MaxPen]

Well jdaewoo, I dont play slots. And while I know you won't take any advice from 18 yo man I suggest that you'll find some relief from your bitterness in another job, hobby, or pastime than being an AP in a casino. (You are a profit making AP, right?)

I think its unfortunate for people who dont have jobs they enjoy. In TV it's not uncommon for people to say "I can't believe they pay us for this."

If you can't enjoy your job find another. But you should know there are people who would love doing what you do, even if you can't enjoy it yourself.

Nobody said they hate AP. Personally, I love sticking it to the casinos. There isn't anything else I would rather do. But I don't play by the rules.

[Alan Mendelson]

Well jdaewoo, I dont play slots. And while I know you won't take any advice from 18 yo man I suggest that you'll find some relief from your bitterness in another job, hobby, or pastime than being an AP in a casino. (You are a profit making AP, right?)

I think its unfortunate for people who dont have jobs they enjoy. In TV it's not uncommon for people to say "I can't believe they pay us for this."

If you can't enjoy your job find another. But you should know there are people who would love doing what you do, even if you can't enjoy it yourself.

Nobody said they hate AP. Personally, I love sticking it to the casinos. There isn't anything else I would rather do. But I don't play by the rules.

Good. You get pleasure at your job.

Just be considerate of the ones who aren't there for employment. I think jbjb pointed out that those "ploppies" create work opportunities for you. They're actually your partners, in a way.

[MisterV]

I gamble for fun, for excitement, not for a living.

I previously worked at a lucrative profession and invested wisely; this now allows me to throw fists full of Franklins down the maw of tribal casinos' three reel slots or on their craps table without a real care in the world about my losses.

AM I a fool?

I get a kick out of gambling.

Maybe I should have spent it on crack or meth instead: at least then I'd be thinner.

[Alan Mendelson]

I gamble for fun, for excitement, not for a living.

I previously worked at a lucrative profession and invested wisely; this now allows me to now throw fists full of Franklins down the maw of tribal casinos' three reel slots without a real care in the world about my losses.

A pittance.

Am I a fool?

I get a kick out of gambling.

Maybe I should have spent it on crack or meth instead: at least then I'd be thinner.

You're no fool. You're not only honest but you're enjoying your successes in life. Be proud. Be happy youre not walking around a casino looking for abandoned credits and multipliers or you can't eat.

I dont say that flippantly either. When I was a regular poker player in LA I knew a WSOP bracelet winner who lived in his car, washed in the public restroom, and hustled to get buyins for daily $60 tournaments.

Yeah, I gave him a "chip for luck" at the cage and took him to dinner many times.

A real bracelet winner.

[coach belly]

I gamble for fun, for excitement, not for a living

Some of your fellow members cannot understand that.

They are the retards.

[MaxPen]

Well jdaewoo, I dont play slots. And while I know you won't take any advice from 18 yo man I suggest that you'll find some relief from your bitterness in another job, hobby, or pastime than being an AP in a casino. (You are a profit making AP, right?)

I think its unfortunate for people who dont have jobs they enjoy. In TV it's not uncommon for people to say "I can't believe they pay us for this."

If you can't enjoy your job find another. But you should know there are people who would love doing what you do, even if you can't enjoy it yourself.

Nobody said they hate AP. Personally, I love sticking it to the casinos. There isn't anything else I would rather do. But I don't play by the rules.

Good. You get pleasure at your job.

Just be considerate of the ones who aren't there for employment. I think jbjb pointed out that those "ploppies" create work opportunities for you. They're actually your partners, in a way.

When have I been inconsiderate.to the "ploppies"?

[Alan Mendelson]

Just following up on jbjb's good advice.

[kewlJ]

I love what I do for a living, but I can't say that I have fun at the casinos, if that makes sense. It is a job and I treat it as such.

[tableplay]

Agreed that it would be futile Monet - no minds got changed after all the previous examples, such as the Baccarat probabilities, etc.

Let me remind you of the thesis:

"70 percent of people at a casino visit are ahead at one point"

Baccarat was mentioned. Assuming I bet banker or player, I'll win decision 1 about 45% of the time which puts me ahead for the visit. If I don't win decision 1, I'll have additional opportunities to pull ahead and increase the 45% cumulative total.

Where am I wrong so far?

Let n=the number of games of Baccarat played by the casino patron for the "session" (whatever the fuck that even means - like Max wrote)
Let X be the following step function:
X=(n/2)+1 if N is even
X=(n/2)+0.5 if N is odd
Also ( using Don's win probability)
p=.45
q=1-p
The probability of being ahead by one game during the Session is (this calculation needs to also be done for the probability of being ahead by 2 games and so on up to n and then these N-x+1 probabilities need to be summed to get the total probability):


Now we just need to do this for every game on the floor (if you're well connected like Advantage Play you can get the par sheets for all the slot games) including live poker and sports book bets which should be fun. Following by weighting each probability by its n before summing them all up and dividing that total by the sum of all the Ns to get the final probability (weighted average).
What is that final weighted average ? And is it equal to or greater than 0.7 ?

[jdaewoo]

I gamble for fun, for excitement, not for a living

Some of your fellow members cannot understand that.

They are the retards.

Name one.

Cunt.

[monet]

Let n=the number of games of Baccarat played by the casino patron for the "session" (whatever the fuck that even means - like Max wrote)
Let X be the following step function:
X=(n/2)+1 if N is even
X=(n/2)+0.5 if N is odd
Also ( using Don's win probability)
p=.45
q=1-p
The probability of being ahead by one game during the Session is (this calculation needs to also be done for the probability of being ahead by 2 games and so on up to n and then these N-x+1 probabilities need to be summed to get the total probability):


Now we just need to do this for every game on the floor (if you're well connected like Advantage Play you can get the par sheets for all the slot games) including live poker and sports book bets which should be fun. Following by weighting each probability by its n before summing them all up and dividing that total by the sum of all the Ns to get the final probability (weighted average).
What is that final weighted average ? And is it equal to or greater than 0.7 ?

Great Post here filled with sarcasm, humor, math and seriousness.
Probably the best post you ever had on this site, since I joined.
Keep up the good work!

[tableplay]

Let n=the number of games of Baccarat played by the casino patron for the "session" (whatever the fuck that even means - like Max wrote)
Let X be the following step function:
X=(n/2)+1 if N is even
X=(n/2)+0.5 if N is odd
Also ( using Don's win probability)
p=.45
q=1-p
The probability of being ahead by one game during the Session is (this calculation needs to also be done for the probability of being ahead by 2 games and so on up to n and then these N-x+1 probabilities need to be summed to get the total probability):


Now we just need to do this for every game on the floor (if you're well connected like Advantage Play you can get the par sheets for all the slot games) including live poker and sports book bets which should be fun. Following by weighting each probability by its n before summing them all up and dividing that total by the sum of all the Ns to get the final probability (weighted average).
What is that final weighted average ? And is it equal to or greater than 0.7 ?

Great Post here filled with sarcasm, humor, math and seriousness.
Probably the best post you ever had on this site, since I joined.
Keep up the good work!

Thanx M8.

[Don Perignom]

Great Post here filled with sarcasm, humor, math and seriousness.
Probably the best post you ever had on this site, since I joined.
Keep up the good work!

Thanx M8.

The 2022 Abel Prize was awarded to Dennis Sullivan. The citation praised "his groundbreaking contributions to topology in its broadest sense, and in particular its algebraic, geometric and dynamical aspects.

"Also, he is one sarcastic son of a bitch."

I tried plugging in the formula, but Google Sheets gave me multiple "WTF are you trying to do" errors.

Instead I did simmys. Series of 10-hand sessions, watching the balance for any break above the starting value.

JoB 9/6: ahead at any point, 19 of 30 (63%)
DDB 7/5: 13 of 30 (43%)
TDB 6/5: 11 of 30 (37%)

Obviously 10 hands is a short session, and any increase of session length would push up the percentages. I'm guessing the volatile games would benefit more from a longer session. If I changed to 10,000 hand sessions, I think the TDB 37% would increase more than the JoB 63%.

[monet]

The 2022 Abel Prize was awarded to Dennis Sullivan. The citation praised "his groundbreaking contributions to topology in its broadest sense, and in particular its algebraic, geometric and dynamical aspects.

"Also, he is one sarcastic son of a bitch."

I tried plugging in the formula, but Google Sheets gave me multiple "WTF are you trying to do" errors.

Instead I did simmys. Series of 10-hand sessions, watching the balance for any break above the starting value.

JoB 9/6: ahead at any point, 19 of 30 (63%)
DDB 7/5: 13 of 30 (43%)
TDB 6/5: 11 of 30 (37%)

Obviously 10 hands is a short session, and any increase of session length would push up the percentages. I'm guessing the volatile games would benefit more from a longer session. If I changed to 10,000 hand sessions, I think the TDB 37% would increase more than the JoB 63%.

Thanks!
Now run the numbers for the Flaming Sevens Reel Machines at the Golden Nugget.
And compare them to the Red Hot Sevens at the Fremont.
I can't wait because I know for a fact that the best Reel Machines at the Nugget are an 8% hold.

[Alan Mendelson]

Congratulations to you Monet on the big win.