The WoV Thread

[smurgerburger]

I just do not get it with Alan.

He was/is a fine journalist. A fine, experienced writer. But not when it comes to gambling. It's goddamn amazing. I'm not sure what the problem is exactly, but it must fall into either (1) having lost so much money that he just can't grasp that some people have not or (2) a kind of intellectual arrogance -- if he can't do it, nobody can. Both options seem ridiculous, as certainly Alan can't be so invested in his losses that they overwhelm his judgement. And he knows he's not the expert on everything. If journalism teaches you anything, it's that.

KewlJ was witness to the whole "package" ordeal. I sent Alan copies of standings from years of "Tipsters or Gypsters?" published in Las Vegas, copies of pages from Playbook newsletter (distributed nationally on newsstands for decades) with my ads and records, copies of interviews I'd done published in regular newspapers, published op-eds I'd written regarding gambling, a copy of a paper I presented at the National Conference on Gambling and Risk-Taking, an article published in The Humanist, all stuff that couldn't be faked and could all be verified with a couple of phone calls. He wanted no part of it.

That "tracking two tables" with KewlJ was the worst of irrationality, though. I used to be able to watch six or more football games simultaneously and keep ballpark stats in my head for every game and know down-and-distance for every game without any graphics. Looking back, that's seems much more difficult than tracking two tables.

I don't know that Alan was a fine journalist. He says he was. Interviewed Presidents and Queens and all that. Maybe others have witnessed Alan as a journalist/reporter, but I really haven't, not that I want to. I did see a couple minutes of one of his informercials and personally I am not impressed with that crap. If a company is paying you to review their product that is not real journalism. Anyway, moving on.

"The package": This occurred early in my time on this forum. I have no idea what was in this package sent to Alan, or what it proves or doesn't prove about redietz. All I know is Alan agreed to be the arbitrator and told redietz where to send this information (package). And then the tap dancing began, like nothing I have ever seen. "I only get to the office every few days" then "I only get to the office once a week", then "once every other week", then "once a month", then "once every 3 months" and finally, "I don't have keys to the office", followed by "the office is permanently closed".

As for tracking two tables, when conditions are right to do so: This is probably my biggest regret of anything I have shared about what I do. It is something that numerous other professional level players have employed but was never mentioned much. I forget why I mentioned it, I think as an example of something that can improve results dramatically. And when challenged, I took the stupid step to explain, just how I do it, in detail, right down to where to sit. That could have come back to haunt me. It didn't, but it could have.

Opportunities for this technique are now greatly reduced, not because I mentioned it, just because of circumstances of fewer and fewer real blackjack tables, replaced by all kinds of new games with higher house edge. Post covid (and I think that just happened to be the timing) more casinos have gone to electronic versions of blackjack, including the stadium type set up, replacing the lower limit tables in the pit. Fewer BJ tables equals less opportunity for this technique.

Part of my mistake was due to that I had never before encountered anti-AP haters and deniers like Alan and Rob before. It was my nature to think they didn't understand and try to explain it, but in reality, they didn't want to understand, and nothing said would make a difference. It was like trying to tell a flat-earther, that the earth isn't flat, and they won't fall off.

A rather unseemly lust for recognition I'd venture.

[redietz]

I just do not get it with Alan.

He was/is a fine journalist. A fine, experienced writer. But not when it comes to gambling. It's goddamn amazing. I'm not sure what the problem is exactly, but it must fall into either (1) having lost so much money that he just can't grasp that some people have not or (2) a kind of intellectual arrogance -- if he can't do it, nobody can. Both options seem ridiculous, as certainly Alan can't be so invested in his losses that they overwhelm his judgement. And he knows he's not the expert on everything. If journalism teaches you anything, it's that.

KewlJ was witness to the whole "package" ordeal. I sent Alan copies of standings from years of "Tipsters or Gypsters?" published in Las Vegas, copies of pages from Playbook newsletter (distributed nationally on newsstands for decades) with my ads and records, copies of interviews I'd done published in regular newspapers, published op-eds I'd written regarding gambling, a copy of a paper I presented at the National Conference on Gambling and Risk-Taking, an article published in The Humanist, all stuff that couldn't be faked and could all be verified with a couple of phone calls. He wanted no part of it.

That "tracking two tables" with KewlJ was the worst of irrationality, though. I used to be able to watch six or more football games simultaneously and keep ballpark stats in my head for every game and know down-and-distance for every game without any graphics. Looking back, that's seems much more difficult than tracking two tables.

I don't know that Alan was a fine journalist. He says he was. Interviewed Presidents and Queens and all that. Maybe others have witnessed Alan as a journalist/reporter, but I really haven't, not that I want to. I did see a couple minutes of one of his informercials and personally I am not impressed with that crap. If a company is paying you to review their product that is not real journalism. Anyway, moving on.

"The package": This occurred early in my time on this forum. I have no idea what was in this package sent to Alan, or what it proves or doesn't prove about redietz. All I know is Alan agreed to be the arbitrator and told redietz where to send this information (package). And then the tap dancing began, like nothing I have ever seen. "I only get to the office every few days" then "I only get to the office once a week", then "once every other week", then "once a month", then "once every 3 months" and finally, "I don't have keys to the office", followed by "the office is permanently closed".

As for tracking two tables, when conditions are right to do so: This is probably my biggest regret of anything I have shared about what I do. It is something that numerous other professional level players have employed but was never mentioned much. I forget why I mentioned it, I think as an example of something that can improve results dramatically. And when challenged, I took the stupid step to explain, just how I do it, in detail, right down to where to sit. That could have come back to haunt me. It didn't, but it could have.

Opportunities for this technique are now greatly reduced, not because I mentioned it, just because of circumstances of fewer and fewer real blackjack tables, replaced by all kinds of new games with higher house edge. Post covid (and I think that just happened to be the timing) more casinos have gone to electronic versions of blackjack, including the stadium type set up, replacing the lower limit tables in the pit. Fewer BJ tables equals less opportunity for this technique.

Part of my mistake was due to that I had never before encountered anti-AP haters and deniers like Alan and Rob before. It was my nature to think they didn't understand and try to explain it, but in reality, they didn't want to understand, and nothing said would make a difference. It was like trying to tell a flat-earther, that the earth isn't flat, and they won't fall off.

A rather unseemly lust for recognition I'd venture.

Or conversely, a rather unseemly lack of cowardice regarding people being able to verify one's abilities and history. You know, the kind of unseemly lack of cowardice that leads people to not be anonymous. Having actually done verifiable stuff and all that. Consider Matthew 5:15 for those biblically inclined.

I hypothesize that a big chunk of the whole anonymity thing is generational. Now that we have a full generation brought up on internet porn (which is, by the way, the top online usage of the internet historically) and all kinds of weirdness, people cling to online anonymity because they can't handle their browser histories being attached to them in real life. Just a theory. Carry on.

P.S. This whole anonymity charade is nonsense anyway. Nobody is actually anonymous. If the feds want to know everything you've ever done, they'll get it. As we speak, my nephew is majoring in online forensics. Good career choice.

[AxelWolf]

I don't know that Alan was a fine journalist. He says he was. Interviewed Presidents and Queens and all that. Maybe others have witnessed Alan as a journalist/reporter, but I really haven't, not that I want to. I did see a couple minutes of one of his informercials and personally I am not impressed with that crap. If a company is paying you to review their product that is not real journalism. Anyway, moving on.

"The package": This occurred early in my time on this forum. I have no idea what was in this package sent to Alan, or what it proves or doesn't prove about redietz. All I know is Alan agreed to be the arbitrator and told redietz where to send this information (package). And then the tap dancing began, like nothing I have ever seen. "I only get to the office every few days" then "I only get to the office once a week", then "once every other week", then "once a month", then "once every 3 months" and finally, "I don't have keys to the office", followed by "the office is permanently closed".

As for tracking two tables, when conditions are right to do so: This is probably my biggest regret of anything I have shared about what I do. It is something that numerous other professional level players have employed but was never mentioned much. I forget why I mentioned it, I think as an example of something that can improve results dramatically. And when challenged, I took the stupid step to explain, just how I do it, in detail, right down to where to sit. That could have come back to haunt me. It didn't, but it could have.

Opportunities for this technique are now greatly reduced, not because I mentioned it, just because of circumstances of fewer and fewer real blackjack tables, replaced by all kinds of new games with higher house edge. Post covid (and I think that just happened to be the timing) more casinos have gone to electronic versions of blackjack, including the stadium type set up, replacing the lower limit tables in the pit. Fewer BJ tables equals less opportunity for this technique.

Part of my mistake was due to that I had never before encountered anti-AP haters and deniers like Alan and Rob before. It was my nature to think they didn't understand and try to explain it, but in reality, they didn't want to understand, and nothing said would make a difference. It was like trying to tell a flat-earther, that the earth isn't flat, and they won't fall off.

A rather unseemly lust for recognition I'd venture.

Or conversely, a rather unseemly lack of cowardice regarding people being able to verify one's abilities and history. You know, the kind of unseemly lack of cowardice that leads people to not be anonymous. Having actually done verifiable stuff and all that. Consider Matthew 5:15 for those biblically inclined.

I hypothesize that a big chunk of the whole anonymity thing is generational. Now that we have a full generation brought up on internet porn (which is, by the way, the top online usage of the internet historically) and all kinds of weirdness, people cling to online anonymity because they can't handle their browser histories being attached to them in real life. Just a theory. Carry on.

P.S. This whole anonymity charade is nonsense anyway. Nobody is actually anonymous. If the feds want to know everything you've ever done, they'll get it. As we speak, my nephew is majoring in online forensics. Good career choice.

There are some really good reasons why Advantage players might want to remain anonymous and those reasons have nothing to do with the Feds, we can't get to that later.

But, let me ask you this... from an Advantage Players standpoint, one who wants to participate on online forums and social media. (Assuming one has nothing to tout, sell or promote) what benefits/good can come of using your real name in public on a forum? I can't think of any, but I can think of multiple reasons why one shouldn't.

[accountinquestion]

lol @ the feds.

This whole anti-anonymous thing seems to correlate with how much one is trying to gain fame. They see no value in anonymous people because it enables trolls who mess with whatever the clout seeker's gimmick is.

Asking redietz to give one good reason why we should drop our anonymity is a good approach. Redietz?

I just dealt with seedvalue trying to go back from months of posts so he could try to dox me or some shit so I'd stop trolling him. Thats is its own thing but suffice to say there is little positive putting your name out there.

That being said if I had to guess whether smurgerburger or redietz was more successful at gambling I'd bet hrmmm 90% of my life roll on smurgerburger.

[smurgerburger]

I don't know that Alan was a fine journalist. He says he was. Interviewed Presidents and Queens and all that. Maybe others have witnessed Alan as a journalist/reporter, but I really haven't, not that I want to. I did see a couple minutes of one of his informercials and personally I am not impressed with that crap. If a company is paying you to review their product that is not real journalism. Anyway, moving on.

"The package": This occurred early in my time on this forum. I have no idea what was in this package sent to Alan, or what it proves or doesn't prove about redietz. All I know is Alan agreed to be the arbitrator and told redietz where to send this information (package). And then the tap dancing began, like nothing I have ever seen. "I only get to the office every few days" then "I only get to the office once a week", then "once every other week", then "once a month", then "once every 3 months" and finally, "I don't have keys to the office", followed by "the office is permanently closed".

As for tracking two tables, when conditions are right to do so: This is probably my biggest regret of anything I have shared about what I do. It is something that numerous other professional level players have employed but was never mentioned much. I forget why I mentioned it, I think as an example of something that can improve results dramatically. And when challenged, I took the stupid step to explain, just how I do it, in detail, right down to where to sit. That could have come back to haunt me. It didn't, but it could have.

Opportunities for this technique are now greatly reduced, not because I mentioned it, just because of circumstances of fewer and fewer real blackjack tables, replaced by all kinds of new games with higher house edge. Post covid (and I think that just happened to be the timing) more casinos have gone to electronic versions of blackjack, including the stadium type set up, replacing the lower limit tables in the pit. Fewer BJ tables equals less opportunity for this technique.

Part of my mistake was due to that I had never before encountered anti-AP haters and deniers like Alan and Rob before. It was my nature to think they didn't understand and try to explain it, but in reality, they didn't want to understand, and nothing said would make a difference. It was like trying to tell a flat-earther, that the earth isn't flat, and they won't fall off.

A rather unseemly lust for recognition I'd venture.

Or conversely, a rather unseemly lack of cowardice regarding people being able to verify one's abilities and history. You know, the kind of unseemly lack of cowardice that leads people to not be anonymous. Having actually done verifiable stuff and all that. Consider Matthew 5:15 for those biblically inclined.

I hypothesize that a big chunk of the whole anonymity thing is generational. Now that we have a full generation brought up on internet porn (which is, by the way, the top online usage of the internet historically) and all kinds of weirdness, people cling to online anonymity because they can't handle their browser histories being attached to them in real life. Just a theory. Carry on.

P.S. This whole anonymity charade is nonsense anyway. Nobody is actually anonymous. If the feds want to know everything you've ever done, they'll get it. As we speak, my nephew is majoring in online forensics. Good career choice.

This is really what you're going for? Your willingness (or eagerness I suspect) to send reams of information documenting your handicapping abilities to some degenerate ex-journalist is a mark of your courage?

Is it possible that vanity is a more plausible motive here? Might that not also explain your use of this forum as an extended blog, where you remind all passers by of your latest literary and handicapping accomplishments, just in case they are too busy to check your actual blog?

[monet]

This is really what you're going for? Your willingness (or eagerness I suspect) to send reams of information documenting your handicapping abilities to some degenerate ex-journalist is a mark of your courage?

Is it possible that vanity is a more plausible motive here? Might that not also explain your use of this forum as an extended blog, where you remind all passers by of your latest literary and handicapping accomplishments, just in case they are too busy to check your actual blog?

You had to bring up the blog that I never read or clicked on?
Why would you do that?
He hasn't mentioned it for months.
He is doing really good, as of late, giving up information, picks and engaging in banter.
Why are you provoking him?
Good thing he seems to be able to take all things in stride from comments about his wife to slurping noodles.
Although he did bring up us calling him Red just recently which makes me wonder if it does bother him sometimes.
Sticks and Stones...

I remember when he swore off this forum and stopped posting for a few months.
Defecting to WoV till Mike seemed to not like him, which seemed strange.
Probably jealous of redietz, in some odd way.
Let's not go back to those dark days.

[Treeshade]

lol @ the feds.

This whole anti-anonymous thing seems to correlate with how much one is trying to gain fame. They see no value in anonymous people because it enables trolls who mess with whatever the clout seeker's gimmick is.

Asking redietz to give one good reason why we should drop our anonymity is a good approach. Redietz?

I just dealt with seedvalue trying to go back from months of posts so he could try to dox me or some shit so I'd stop trolling him. Thats is its own thing but suffice to say there is little positive putting your name out there.

That being said if I had to guess whether smurgerburger or redietz was more successful at gambling I'd bet hrmmm 90% of my life roll on smurgerburger.

I don’t care who you are. I would never dox you in the first place.

Quick comment on the Feds. If one is moving large amounts of money online and in casinos it’s not out of the realm of possibility for federal authorities to look into you. Casinos keep records of all the cash buy ins you make since the first day you walked into the casino. I have first hand knowledge of cards being shut off for running to much cash through certain types of games. I also still have a lifetime ban from western union and money gram from my online poker days.

[jdaewoo]

If you were using Western Union please tell me you ruined casino-on-net's roulette promo. Just before my time sadly.

[AxelWolf]

If you were using Western Union please tell me you ruined casino-on-net's roulette promo. Just before my time sadly.

I played that.

Iirc WU was how I sent them money, perhaps a wire transfer. I know I used WU a few times online until I got a premium bank account with free or discounted wire transfers.

With the 007 promo I assumed the bonus pay winnings would be added instantly, sadly, I didn't know the extra payouts were in the form of bonuses to be given 24 hours later. Heck, no one even knew if casino-on-net was to really be trusted (The Gaming Club in the 90's definitely had gaffed BJ).

You couldn't deposit more during the 007 promotion (no time even if you could)

Now I'm in a situation where I couldn't ramp up my wagers as I was winning bonus money. Obviously, your BR would eventually dwindle down to zero while having 10 of thousands in pending bonuses. FYI you had to wager the bonus money over 1x. That took a few days playing baccarat.

[jdaewoo]

I didn't realize the promo came up at the last minute, nor that it was paid in bonus money. WU limits were pretty low regardless, weren't they?

This was before my time. I started in right when casinos were telling Norway to get fucked.

[jdaewoo]

Now that twat Alan thinks there are no must hit standalone progressives. Then he changed it to none over $50. Then he changed it to none over $500. Then he changed it to none over $10,000.

Hey Alan, you're a fucking moron. Try google asshole.

https://www-knowyourslots-com.exactd...&lossy=1&ssl=1

[jbjb]

Now that twat Alan thinks there are no must hit standalone progressives. Then he changed it to none over $50. Then he changed it to none over $500. Then he changed it to none over $10,000.

Hey Alan, you're a fucking moron. Try google asshole.

https://www-knowyourslots-com.exactd...&lossy=1&ssl=1

Completely hilarious reading those last 3 pages of that thread. He has those "card counters blinders" on, only on his case they're "craps tables blinders".

[jdaewoo]

Now it's "Casinos don't kick out APs because they don't win every single wager".

He's trolling at this point. Nobody is that retarded.

[jbjb]

Mission brought up Rivers in Pittsburgh. That joint is a sorry waste land for slot play save for a few Hex 3s and Happy 8s.

[jdaewoo]

Mission brought up Rivers in Pittsburgh. That joint is a sorry waste land for slot play save for a few Hex 3s and Happy 8s.

Most casinos in populated areas are wastelands for slot play unless you're running cards. Some balding dude playing poker for 3 months straight looking to hit the BBJ is going to jump all over a 10k MH at $9750 because he's doing cards for his cousin's brother in law's family for the 4th time.

[jbjb]

The probably finding one of those 4 big MHB's in a good state he mentioned are slim and none!

[Mission146]

Mission brought up Rivers in Pittsburgh. That joint is a sorry waste land for slot play save for a few Hex 3s and Happy 8s.

It's physically the closest to where I live; I almost never go there. In fact, it's rare for me to go to any land casino proper these days.

[Mission146]

The probably finding one of those 4 big MHB's in a good state he mentioned are slim and none!

Slim took the last Greyhound out of Pittsburgh.

[jbjb]

The probably finding one of those 4 big MHB's in a good state he mentioned are slim and none!

Slim took the last Greyhound out of Pittsburgh.

Pretty much right.

The UX vultures probably make a couple of bucks per day there keeping them within poverty.

[Mission146]

The probably finding one of those 4 big MHB's in a good state he mentioned are slim and none!

Slim took the last Greyhound out of Pittsburgh.

Pretty much right.

The UX vultures probably make a couple of bucks per day there keeping them within poverty.

I seriously doubt anywhere near the poverty line (as in, they are well below) as there are too many of them. I tend to believe some of them are literally homeless as you get a lot of short-coin vulturing and only playing to the last hand (from the bottom) that has a multiplier.

Early afternoons on weekdays were sometimes decent for UX with corporate lunch breaks and such. Couple HL players and a few playing quarters on the main floor. You'd occasionally have nice EV finds in the high-limit room, which has five UX machines, though two only have the single-line version. I don't know if that's still the case as I found next to nothing for several consecutive visits and stopped visiting, but used to be you'd get about $50 EV for total time cost (including travel) of one hour. I was also partly going because I used to get regular small offers from PS (online casino) and you could deposit and withdraw from the cage there, but them not seeming to give me offers anymore (even though I'm not banned or anything) kind of swung the balance to almost never stopping at Rivers unless I happen to be DT or on the North Shore anyway.

Anyway, I have no doubt as to the poverty part, but I tend to think most of them are way below the line, especially with how much ($$$) EV they torch short-coining the multipliers.