The WoV Thread

[kewlJ]

Especially when you claim pit bosses and employees all know you and comment on how often you win.

This comment is strictly about my blackjack card counting advantage play. I know some of you guys that have your hand in all sorts of things operate differently. But with blackjack (card counting advantage play), there is such great variance and winning and losing, that you can make this work to your advantage, by booking a few losses. That is not to say you are ever "trying" to lose, but if you fall behind a decent amount, you end that session and book a loss. When they look at your results, which they can do regardless of playing rated or unrated, they will see some losing sessions, just the way it is supposed to look.

Mdawg just as many not all that bright card counters do, is play through that loss trying to get back to even or a head. How many times has Mdawg described a session where he was way behind and worked back to even or a head and quit. That is about the worst thing an AP can do in relationship to longevity.

Spot on. We know when a player starts talking about "pressing bets" and "reading shoes" any real AP technique's and legitimate edges have gone out the window.

(By reading shoes, I mean Voodoo stuff, not someone with actual knowledge/information of the shoes actual makeup)

You can do this at the tables. When the count is positive and I increase my bet, especially to max bet range and lose a couple bets, I will say something like "damn it, every time I press my bet, I lose". I am not convinced how much that helps, but it doesn't hurt.

But when you start talking that voodoo nonsense on forums and believing it, and trying to convince people on forums of it, well that is another issue.

[soxfan]

Uh yeah, trendings, reading shoe, betting into streak hoping they will continue, and other subjective make shit up as you go along along is bulls-shits, hey hey.

[AxelWolf]

There are multiple ways a person could gain an advantage in baccarat, even situations where you could have perfect knowledge and be guaranteed to win. There are even going to be comps and perks involved for a while.

But what isn't going to happen for long is staying and playing for months at a time while enjoying lavish RFB and continually winning day after day all while posting up pictures and trip reports. Especially when you claim pit bosses and employees all know you and comment on how often you win.

Spot on. We know when a player starts talking about "pressing bets" and "reading shoes" any real AP technique's and legitimate edges have gone out the window.

(By reading shoes, I mean Voodoo stuff, not someone with actual knowledge/information of the shoes actual makeup)

One would have to go back to the beginning and read all his posts to see the big picture. I can't remember exactly what was said but the gist was... I know how to do all the baccarat and BJ AP techniques, however, I don't need to engage in that sort of stuff to consistently win. I know somewhere he actually kinda puts down Advantage Play methods. He pivoted to make it seem as if he was engaging in some type of Advantage Play. Many of the things he has said regarding his play method are significantly in direct contradiction with Advantage Play.

He mentioned loss rebates, perks, tournaments, free Bets, gift cards, etc and he may very well be playing at a slight advantage if you include all of that, however, that wouldn't account for the super high consistent win rates he's been claiming. And does any knowledgeable card counter actually believe that he's able to suddenly jump his bets to table max on a high-limit private table and always win without heat? He claims to have a photographic memory therefore it should be close to a perfect count and perfect play. There's no way surveillance isn't noticing a high roller jumping to table max into a good count. They may overlook it and not care if you're actually a significant losing player. Heck, sometimes they get rid winning of players for just getting really lucky without any AP shenanigans.

[kewlJ]

One would have to go back to the beginning and read all his posts to see the big picture. I can't remember exactly what was said but the gist was... I know how to do all the baccarat and BJ AP techniques, however, I don't need to engage in that sort of stuff to consistently win. I know somewhere he actually kinda puts down Advantage Play methods. He pivoted to make it seem as if he was engaging in some type of Advantage Play. Many of the things he has said regarding his play method are significantly in direct contradiction with Advantage Play.

He mentioned loss rebates, perks, tournaments, free Bets, gift cards, etc and he may very well be playing at a slight advantage if you include all of that, however, that wouldn't account for the super high consistent win rates he's been claiming. And does any knowledgeable card counter actually believe that he's able to suddenly jump his bets to table max on a high-limit private table and always win without heat? He claims to have a photographic memory therefore it should be close to a perfect count and perfect play. There's no way surveillance isn't noticing a high roller jumping to table max into a good count. They may overlook it and not care if you're actually a significant losing player. Heck, sometimes they get rid winning of players for just getting really lucky without any AP shenanigans.

This really is a spot on recap of the entire Mdawg chronicles, by Axelwolf. It is important to note that at the very beginning, Mdawg was asked by numerous people if he was doing something that had him playing at an advantage and he said no. And as noted, he actually put down players playing with an advantage, saying that is NOT what he did. Of course, this is one of many things he has flip-flopped on. But nothing he says even remotely lines up with any kind of advantage play and as Axel pointed out, most things said, contradict advantage play techniques.

The loss rebate is the perfect example. Slightly nit picking, but it wasn't Mdawg that first mentioned loss rebates, it was someone else. I actually believe it was axelwolf himself. But them Mdawg jumped on it saying...yeah that is what I do. Problem is loss rebates don't account for winning 50 sessions in a row or 100 out of 104. A player needs to actually lose about 50% of sessions for the advantage from a loss rebate to be realized.

And as per the surveillance comments, it isn't just that surveillance at a strip casino fails to notice a high roller at a private table (watched closely) raising and lower bets in accordance with the count, but this guy Mdawg picked the Cosmo of all places. Cosmo is probably the very least tolerant (sweatiest) of any strip Casino and they have the most up to date and modern technology. There is no way in hell that what this guy claims with his blackjack play is occurring or ever occurred at the Cosmopolitan.

[accountinquestion]

Anyone ever think that if Kewl was who he said he was, would he have continued to post on here through all this shit causing issues for himself? "oh but I hate people being misled by the math. It is my duty." Yanno, his profession (a fragile one) doesn't matter.

[kewlJ]

Anyone ever think that if Kewl was who he said he was, would he have continued to post on here through all this shit causing issues for himself?

ahhh...yes. There are a lot of people, fellow AP's and friends that I talk to that most (by a wide margin) think I am foolish for having stayed at this forum for so long and that it can only harm me. They have been proven right.

But I am a bit stubborn. I just do not like the idea of other people, especially, trolls/haters/bullies, dictating what I can and not do, like post where I want.

[kewlJ]

And does any knowledgeable card counter actually believe that he's able to suddenly jump his bets to table max on a high-limit private table and always win without heat? He claims to have a photographic memory therefore it should be close to a perfect count and perfect play. There's no way surveillance isn't noticing a high roller jumping to table max into a good count. They may overlook it and not care if you're actually a significant losing player. Heck, sometimes they get rid winning of players for just getting really lucky without any AP shenanigans.

Axelwolf, did you read Mdawgs new post at WoV? First day of a new trip, I guess. He didn't specify what his minimum wager is, usually $200 or $300, but he spread up to $15,000.

That would be a 1-50 or 1-75 spread, on a double deck game (closely hawked), at a private table in the high limit room (10x closely hawked) at the sweatiest casino on the strip. What is not to believe?

He might as well just go ahead and say that he flapped his arms and "swam" through space to the moon.

[Rob.Singer]

And does any knowledgeable card counter actually believe that he's able to suddenly jump his bets to table max on a high-limit private table and always win without heat? He claims to have a photographic memory therefore it should be close to a perfect count and perfect play. There's no way surveillance isn't noticing a high roller jumping to table max into a good count. They may overlook it and not care if you're actually a significant losing player. Heck, sometimes they get rid winning of players for just getting really lucky without any AP shenanigans.

Axelwolf, did you read Mdawgs new post at WoV? First day of a new trip, I guess. He didn't specify what his minimum wager is, usually $200 or $300, but he spread up to $15,000.

That would be a 1-50 or 1-75 spread, on a double deck game (closely hawked), at a private table in the high limit room (10x closely hawked) at the sweatiest casino on the strip. What is not to believe?

He might as well just go ahead and say that he flapped his arms and "swam" through space to the moon.

Yes kew--your envy just keeps oozing, whether he wins or not.

Why don't you just stop pussyfooting around and come right out and say what everybody already knows: If kew says it, it MUST be believed; but if someone else says ANYTHING he doesn't understand or does not like.... IT'S FALSE!

[AxelWolf]

And does any knowledgeable card counter actually believe that he's able to suddenly jump his bets to table max on a high-limit private table and always win without heat? He claims to have a photographic memory therefore it should be close to a perfect count and perfect play. There's no way surveillance isn't noticing a high roller jumping to table max into a good count. They may overlook it and not care if you're actually a significant losing player. Heck, sometimes they get rid winning of players for just getting really lucky without any AP shenanigans.

Axelwolf, did you read Mdawgs new post at WoV? First day of a new trip, I guess. He didn't specify what his minimum wager is, usually $200 or $300, but he spread up to $15,000.

That would be a 1-50 or 1-75 spread, on a double deck game (closely hawked), at a private table in the high limit room (10x closely hawked) at the sweatiest casino on the strip. What is not to believe?

He might as well just go ahead and say that he flapped his arms and "swam" through space to the moon.

No, I haven't. I only read his thread whenever someone directed me to it, or perhaps I'm bored at the airport or sitting waiting somewhere.

I did see this, however...

https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gamb.../3/#post815786 Anyone who understands Advantage Play understands why I point this out.

[kewlJ]

Yes kew--your envy just keeps oozing, whether he wins or not.

Rob, you love to say this, but it is pure nonsense. I am thrilled for any players, advantage player or not, that actually wins. Have you ever seen me challenge mickeycrimm, axelwolf, jbjb, PositiveVariance or any of the other real players on any of the different forums? Admittedly, I just named some advantage players. But there are other players that are not AP's that will share some winnings and as long as it makes sense and doesn't defy anything, I am genuinely happy for them.

How about Monet? I don't know just what he even does anymore. One day he took offense that I called him an AP, but he sure appears to be playing with an advantage. But whether he is or not and despite the fact that he doesn't seem to like me very much, I am happy for him when he posts about his winnings. Here is another one: The late Alan Mendelson. I am pretty sure Alan wasn't an AP. He might have just touched on some AP stuff from time to time, but overall, clearly not an AP. But Alan clearly had some big wins and I was thrilled for him.

In addition, I am happy for people that do well and have accomplished success outside of advantage play and gambling. Alan is another good example. Alan's journalistic career was a little before my time, so I don't really know him from that, but apparently, he did well, make good money and by all accounts was successful in that field and had a good retirement/pension as a result. That was great for him. I couldn't have been happier for him. Former member here Blackhole always claimed he was successful outside of gambling. I never knew what, although he has recently revealed some details on another forum. I never challenged or doubted that he was successful in what he did. Good for him.

Even you Rob, you claim you had a successful career in aerospace. Because it is known who you are, some of us looked into some stuff about you and found things that didn't seem to jive with your fantastic gambling claims, but I really have no idea about any aerospace career. I see no evidence of the success you claim, like property ownership you would expect to see and do see some things that would seem to contradict your claims of success, but if you did well in life outside of gambling, made some money in the aerospace industry and have a good retirement income....good for you. It is your gambling claims that defy math that I have challenged. And the same with this Mdawg. If he is a layer, born wealthy. Good for him. It is his gambling claims that I have a problem with because they defy math and the way things work.

AND I have challenged this for people that are AP's also. A guy on Norm's blackjack site, was a knowledgeable card counter. All of the sudden he escalated his claims and they no longer worked by the mathematics. They defied math. I challenged that and not that it matters but was later proven right.

So you are very wrong Rob. I am not jealous of anyone, advantage players, or -EV recreational gambler, nor anyone that has does well outside of gambling/AP play. I know my place, and am very comfortable where I am and with what I have accomplished. I am not threatened nor envious of anyone else. I simply have a problem with people making bullshit claims that defy both the math and/or the way the casino industry works. Part of it is I don't like the misleading of people. The other part is that it is just disrespectful to any player that actually works hard at winning to have some ying-yang come along claiming I win, win, win, by voodoo type shit. You know...things like "special plays" or "the machines signaling hot and cold cycles". It's bullshit and it is also disrespectful to people that figure out and work hard at winning.

And don't give me this crap that you aren't reading my posts because they are too long. You read every word. You are obsessed with me. And it is apparent you read every word, because you will reference the things you supposedly didn't read at a later time.

You just aren't fooling anyone anymore Rob. And you haven't been for a long while.

[PositiveVariance]

https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gamb.../3/#post815786 Anyone who understands Advantage Play understands why I point this out.

Do you mean to tell me your NOT supposed to stop when you are ahead at a table?? This entire time I was playing for the long-term to get through the variance!! I'm such a fool!!

[kewlJ]

Does anybody see a place, link, email address to submit questions for the wizard livestream segment?

[Rob.Singer]

Yes kew--your envy just keeps oozing, whether he wins or not.

Rob, you love to say this, but it is pure nonsense. I am thrilled for any players, advantage player or not, that actually wins. Have you ever seen me challenge mickeycrimm, axelwolf, jbjb, PositiveVariance or any of the other real players on any of the different forums? Admittedly, I just named some advantage players. But there are other players that are not AP's that will share some winnings and as long as it makes sense and doesn't defy anything, I am genuinely happy for them.

How about Monet? I don't know just what he even does anymore. One day he took offense that I called him an AP, but he sure appears to be playing with an advantage. But whether he is or not and despite the fact that he doesn't seem to like me very much, I am happy for him when he posts about his winnings. Here is another one: The late Alan Mendelson. I am pretty sure Alan wasn't an AP. He might have just touched on some AP stuff from time to time, but overall, clearly not an AP. But Alan clearly had some big wins and I was thrilled for him.

In addition, I am happy for people that do well and have accomplished success outside of advantage play and gambling. Alan is another good example. Alan's journalistic career was a little before my time, so I don't really know him from that, but apparently, he did well, make good money and by all accounts was successful in that field and had a good retirement/pension as a result. That was great for him. I couldn't have been happier for him. Former member here Blackhole always claimed he was successful outside of gambling. I never knew what, although he has recently revealed some details on another forum. I never challenged or doubted that he was successful in what he did. Good for him.

Even you Rob, you claim you had a successful career in aerospace. Because it is known who you are, some of us looked into some stuff about you and found things that didn't seem to jive with your fantastic gambling claims, but I really have no idea about any aerospace career. I see no evidence of the success you claim, like property ownership you would expect to see and do see some things that would seem to contradict your claims of success, but if you did well in life outside of gambling, made some money in the aerospace industry and have a good retirement income....good for you. It is your gambling claims that defy math that I have challenged. And the same with this Mdawg. If he is a layer, born wealthy. Good for him. It is his gambling claims that I have a problem with because they defy math and the way things work.

AND I have challenged this for people that are AP's also. A guy on Norm's blackjack site, was a knowledgeable card counter. All of the sudden he escalated his claims and they no longer worked by the mathematics. They defied math. I challenged that and not that it matters but was later proven right.

So you are very wrong Rob. I am not jealous of anyone, advantage players, or -EV recreational gambler, nor anyone that has does well outside of gambling/AP play. I know my place, and am very comfortable where I am and with what I have accomplished. I am not threatened nor envious of anyone else. I simply have a problem with people making bullshit claims that defy both the math and/or the way the casino industry works. Part of it is I don't like the misleading of people. The other part is that it is just disrespectful to any player that actually works hard at winning to have some ying-yang come along claiming I win, win, win, by voodoo type shit. You know...things like "special plays" or "the machines signaling hot and cold cycles". It's bullshit and it is also disrespectful to people that figure out and work hard at winning.

And don't give me this crap that you aren't reading my posts because they are too long. You read every word. You are obsessed with me. And it is apparent you read every word, because you will reference the things you supposedly didn't read at a later time.

You just aren't fooling anyone anymore Rob. And you haven't been for a long while.

The fact that virtually everyone either laughs at you or wonders what's wrong with you for wasting so much time posting from the forum sweatshop, should tell a misguided millennial like you something. But it's the lazy and stoopid generation, so.....

By the way, anyone who constantly claims "everyone's wrong but I am right" is called a what?

[kewlJ]

By the way, anyone who constantly claims "everyone's wrong but I am right" is called a what?

You mean like your double up bug claim and last year's 1.5 million dollar jackpot claim?

No one believes you and we are all wrong but you are right.

[Rob.Singer]

By the way, anyone who constantly claims "everyone's wrong but I am right" is called a what?

You mean like your double up bug claim and last year's 1.5 million dollar jackpot claim?

No one believes you and we are all wrong but you are right.

Sour grapes again?

There's a big difference: people don't believe me because it hurts too much to believe these things. I thrive off of people hating me on forums for one reason or another, because when you have a successful life, a NORMAL family, and are financially set for life, what forum losers say or how they react or what losers like you fabricate, it's like virtual entertainment that ends when I do productive things. I've always been and played on a field several layers above the little people like you anyway, and it's fun watching nervous poodles like you squirm over it.

Watch that heartburn and palpitations kew. Deep breaths don't always cut it!

OTOH.....EVERYONE is so used to your lying that they simple laugh at your silly "look at Me!" tales and consider it entertainment. Either that, or they shake their heads wondering what in the world is wrong with that idiot? (Other than the crossed wires upstairs, the extreme obsession with me, and the degenerate family that you live off of).

[kewlJ]

I am sorry Rob. I can't do this anymore. You are bouncing back and forth between forums, seeking and crying out for my attention. Looking for something, anything to make you relevant again. I can't be your babysitter. Good luck finding something meaningful....or not meaningful to pass the time.

[Ozzy]

I am sorry Rob. I can't do this anymore. You are bouncing back and forth between forums, seeking and crying out for my attention. Looking for something, anything to make you relevant again. I can't be your babysitter. Good luck finding something meaningful....or not meaningful to pass the time.

kew pretends to throw.the towel in for the 500th time. Match point once again to Singer!

[kewlJ]

I am sorry Rob. I can't do this anymore. You are bouncing back and forth between forums, seeking and crying out for my attention. Looking for something, anything to make you relevant again. I can't be your babysitter. Good luck finding something meaningful....or not meaningful to pass the time.

kew pretends to throw.the towel in for the 500th time. Match point once again to Singer!

You really aren't doing him any favors with this shit ozzy.

[smurgerburger]

CAN'T STOP WON'T STOP.

[Prozema]

Poop