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  1. #941
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Fortunately for the TV audience, MisterV, you are not a TV producer.

    Let mickeycrimm show me how he profits $500 a day on his low level slots with his "everyman's budget" and I'll give you a half-hour TV Show that will be captivating.

    (By the way, producing the captivating TV Show isn't the problem.)
    I think a show with a hidden camera in the boys HS locker room about an overweight, balding janitor with courage problems and with pictures of Rob Singer in his janitor closet walls, is a very interesting idea for a show, don’t you?

  2. #942
    Originally Posted by mcap View Post
    Damn mr net got pretty butt hurt seems like bc roger kint didn’t like enough of his posts and want to be his buddy?
    This is what you get out of all the posts and responses? You think someone is upset at Roger K and that is why all of the difference of opinion or the reason that sides have been taken? I think it's pretty clear that mr net doesn't care or want many friends and never has or does. What seems to be clear is a difference in ideology and a disdain for hypocrisy.

  3. #943
    Originally Posted by MisterV View Post
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    But if Mickeycrimm can deliver a $500 profit playing low level slots with an "everyman's budget" then that's a great TV show.
    "A great TV show?"

    What, do you propose to live-stream MC all day long playing one or more machines?

    BORING!

    Like watching paint dry, those symbols moving, stopping, moving, stopping, thousands of times ad infinitum.

    Sort of like watching Warhol's 8+ hour film showing an unvarying view of the Empire State Building: "Empire."
    That's not my problem with it. The problem is the general public seeing what machines I'm playing and how and why I'm playing them. My ability to make money is predicated on the ignorance of the other players under the roof. They are the ones leaving machines when they are in positive mode. Once it gets shown on TV two things will happen.

    1. A lot of people will quit leaving machines when they are in positive mode.

    2. A lot of people will start looking for machines in positive mode.

    There is only so much money to be made. If a lot of other people are doing the same thing as I am there is not enough money in it to go around. To many pigs at the trough. With no one else doing it I get all the plays and make all the available money.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  4. #944
    What a pile of bs....again. People, including you, leave those machines when they're broke. You've never provided a single shred if evidence that you even play them. All we get is a boatload of claims and how you think you're better (yes, that's one big laugh....) than the rest of the buns and hillbillies that are dumb enuf to trust Indian casinos.

  5. #945
    I'm personally glad Rob has this opinion. I've seen some of Rob's work. It's good stuff, for him... Not me. I think Rob should play Rob's way and others can spend / use their money how they like.

  6. #946
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    What a pile of bs....again. People, including you, leave those machines when they're broke. You've never provided a single shred if evidence that you even play them. All we get is a boatload of claims and how you think you're better (yes, that's one big laugh....) than the rest of the buns and hillbillies that are dumb enuf to trust Indian casinos.
    Dan's stipulation, which you agreed to, was you could only post in the two threads about you. You've once again proved what your word is worth, nothing.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  7. #947
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Jbjb you're not the issue here.

    At issue is the question can Rob Singer deliver about a 4% return on $55,000 ... and that's a yawner. But if Mickeycrimm can deliver a $500 profit playing low level slots with an "everyman's budget" then that's a great TV show.
    Rob should do live play for his followers. That way, he can explain why he does what he does in certain situations as they happen to arise with live play.
    Yeah... except that 95%+ of the time it's going to be conventional strategy.

    Do you realize that Rob winning $2500 with a $55,000 bankroll is like me winning $5 with $100???

    And you guys are critical of that? LOL
    Haven't you ever thrown a hundy in a VP machine and never be up? I've had it happen many times. It happens in BJ too, five dollar game lose first hand play the whole shoe and never be up that one stinking chip. Another hundred down the drain.
    Take off that stupid mask you big baby.

  8. #948
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    What a pile of bs....again. People, including you, leave those machines when they're broke. You've never provided a single shred if evidence that you even play them. All we get is a boatload of claims and how you think you're better (yes, that's one big laugh....) than the rest of the buns and hillbillies that are dumb enuf to trust Indian casinos.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  9. #949
    It worked the first nineteen times. Now I'm out five bucks, Grrr.
    Take off that stupid mask you big baby.

  10. #950
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    What a pile of bs....again. People, including you, leave those machines when they're broke. You've never provided a single shred if evidence that you even play them. All we get is a boatload of claims and how you think you're better (yes, that's one big laugh....) than the rest of the buns and hillbillies that are dumb enuf to trust Indian casinos.
    Dan's stipulation, which you agreed to, was you could only post in the two threads about you. You've once again proved what your word is worth, nothing.
    You missed it bozo. This thread talked about me so I entered. It's a valid question as to whether or not I can post elsewhere in response to the aforementioned. I'm sure you'd like to get rid of everybody who questions your claims and requests validations of ANY sort.

    If you keep it up I'll be forced to go to a number of the websites of casinos where you say you do your drive-bys and link to the same pics you use of their promotional pages.

  11. #951
    Originally Posted by quahaug View Post
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post

    Rob should do live play for his followers. That way, he can explain why he does what he does in certain situations as they happen to arise with live play.
    Yeah... except that 95%+ of the time it's going to be conventional strategy.

    Do you realize that Rob winning $2500 with a $55,000 bankroll is like me winning $5 with $100???

    And you guys are critical of that? LOL
    Haven't you ever thrown a hundy in a VP machine and never be up? I've had it happen many times. It happens in BJ too, five dollar game lose first hand play the whole shoe and never be up that one stinking chip. Another hundred down the drain.
    Of course I've put a $100 in a machine and lost it. But what percentage of the time have I been up at least $5 at some point?

    In fact I asked that same question here on the forum several times but no one responded. I'll ask again:

    What percentage of the time have you been ahead by just one bet playing video poker?

    Ya know guys.... as my daughter once said to me... it's not about winning as much as it is knowing when to quit. She said that to me after she hit quad aces three times playing 8/5 Bonus for 25-cents but she never quit when ahead and lost it all back.

  12. #952
    I always quit a machine when the game is back in negative mode. And that means I always have to cash out a ticket. The play may not have been a winner. Just because I have an edge doesn't mean I win every play. But I don't potshot these short term advantage games. There is an objective to be achieved and I'm there until the objective is achieved no matter what. Pot shotting doesn't work. When a play goes tits the cheapest way out of it is to play until you achieve the objective. I'm on 20, maybe 25 different machines everyday. If I'm on 20 machines I will cash out a ticket 20 times. If I'm on 25 machines I will cash out a ticket 25 times. I cash something out on every single machine I play.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  13. #953
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Originally Posted by quahaug View Post
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post

    Yeah... except that 95%+ of the time it's going to be conventional strategy.

    Do you realize that Rob winning $2500 with a $55,000 bankroll is like me winning $5 with $100???

    And you guys are critical of that? LOL
    Haven't you ever thrown a hundy in a VP machine and never be up? I've had it happen many times. It happens in BJ too, five dollar game lose first hand play the whole shoe and never be up that one stinking chip. Another hundred down the drain.
    Of course I've put a $100 in a machine and lost it. But what percentage of the time have I been up at least $5 at some point?

    In fact I asked that same question here on the forum several times but no one responded. I'll ask again:

    What percentage of the time have you been ahead by just one bet playing video poker?

    Ya know guys.... as my daughter once said to me... it's not about winning as much as it is knowing when to quit. She said that to me after she hit quad aces three times playing 8/5 Bonus for 25-cents but she never quit when ahead and lost it all back.
    Negative expectation gamblers always say you should quit while ahead. Does that mean it's okay to play when you are behind?
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  14. #954
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Originally Posted by MisterV View Post
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    But if Mickeycrimm can deliver a $500 profit playing low level slots with an "everyman's budget" then that's a great TV show.
    "A great TV show?"

    What, do you propose to live-stream MC all day long playing one or more machines?

    BORING!

    Like watching paint dry, those symbols moving, stopping, moving, stopping, thousands of times ad infinitum.

    Sort of like watching Warhol's 8+ hour film showing an unvarying view of the Empire State Building: "Empire."
    That's not my problem with it. The problem is the general public seeing what machines I'm playing and how and why I'm playing them. My ability to make money is predicated on the ignorance of the other players under the roof. They are the ones leaving machines when they are in positive mode. Once it gets shown on TV two things will happen.

    1. A lot of people will quit leaving machines when they are in positive mode.

    2. A lot of people will start looking for machines in positive mode.

    There is only so much money to be made. If a lot of other people are doing the same thing as I am there is not enough money in it to go around. To many pigs at the trough. With no one else doing it I get all the plays and make all the available money.
    I understand there's a significant difference between posting something online (few viewers) vs having a TV show or segment on your plays. But why write about them online, especially in so much detail? I mean, you're practically begging for people to come out to MT to compete against you. I somewhat considered taking a trip out there just to see what was all going on....but figured at $500/day in EV, it isn't worth it (lots of expenses), plus I don't know the lay of the land, would have to do the math on the games, etc. That isn't to say someone who is more motivated to travel and do new stuff if they don't have anything right now (EG: Someone like ZenKing) wouldn't fly or drive out there and do a MT tour for a few weeks or month(s), or possibly just live out there.

  15. #955
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Originally Posted by quahaug View Post
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post

    Yeah... except that 95%+ of the time it's going to be conventional strategy.

    Do you realize that Rob winning $2500 with a $55,000 bankroll is like me winning $5 with $100???

    And you guys are critical of that? LOL
    Haven't you ever thrown a hundy in a VP machine and never be up? I've had it happen many times. It happens in BJ too, five dollar game lose first hand play the whole shoe and never be up that one stinking chip. Another hundred down the drain.
    Of course I've put a $100 in a machine and lost it. But what percentage of the time have I been up at least $5 at some point?

    In fact I asked that same question here on the forum several times but no one responded. I'll ask again:

    What percentage of the time have you been ahead by just one bet playing video poker?

    Ya know guys.... as my daughter once said to me... it's not about winning as much as it is knowing when to quit. She said that to me after she hit quad aces three times playing 8/5 Bonus for 25-cents but she never quit when ahead and lost it all back.
    The answer to "what percentage of the time .....?" is.... drum roll... not enough!
    Take off that stupid mask you big baby.

  16. #956
    Yeah, ZK will stuff his shoes, terminate his lease, make no hotel reservations, and hit the road to Montana in his Corvette in the winter. Can't wait to see that thread.

  17. #957
    It doesn't matter what your win goal is. One percent or a hundred percent, the answer is always gonna be "not enough".
    Take off that stupid mask you big baby.

  18. #958
    Originally Posted by quahaug View Post
    It doesn't matter what your win goal is. One percent or a hundred percent, the answer is always gonna be "not enough".
    It's all relative. A 5% win on $100 isn't much. But Rob has $55,000 to get a $2500 win.

    Of course with mickeycrimm winning $500 a day, Mickey surpasses Rob's wins by about $25,000 per year. Right Mickey, you win $125,000 a year playing just five days a week?

    (Rob won only $100,000 a year.)

  19. #959
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Originally Posted by quahaug View Post
    It doesn't matter what your win goal is. One percent or a hundred percent, the answer is always gonna be "not enough".
    It's all relative. A 5% win on $100 isn't much. But Rob has $55,000 to get a $2500 win.

    Of course with mickeycrimm winning $500 a day, Mickey surpasses Rob's wins by about $25,000 per year. Right Mickey, you win $125,000 a year playing just five days a week?

    (Rob won only $100,000 a year.)
    At the time I made the challenge to Rob my daily average was $562. That was because of one new game that was huge. It lasted a couple of years. And I wasn't working that hard, maybe half the days in the year. My average is about $400 these days. Although you wouldn't know it from the crappy past week I've had. Totally frickin' snakebit. Only a $700 earn for the week.

    Alan, what i love about what I do is I'm not punching a time clock. I don't own an alarm clock. I sleep when I want to sleep. That means if I feel like taking an afternoon nap I do it. I eat when I want to eat. I work when I feel like it. I don't work when I don't feel like it. What day of the week is it? I don't know and don't give a rat's ass.
    Last edited by mickeycrimm; 04-07-2018 at 06:42 PM.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  20. #960
    Originally Posted by RS__ View Post
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Originally Posted by MisterV View Post

    "A great TV show?"

    What, do you propose to live-stream MC all day long playing one or more machines?

    BORING!

    Like watching paint dry, those symbols moving, stopping, moving, stopping, thousands of times ad infinitum.

    Sort of like watching Warhol's 8+ hour film showing an unvarying view of the Empire State Building: "Empire."
    That's not my problem with it. The problem is the general public seeing what machines I'm playing and how and why I'm playing them. My ability to make money is predicated on the ignorance of the other players under the roof. They are the ones leaving machines when they are in positive mode. Once it gets shown on TV two things will happen.

    1. A lot of people will quit leaving machines when they are in positive mode.

    2. A lot of people will start looking for machines in positive mode.

    There is only so much money to be made. If a lot of other people are doing the same thing as I am there is not enough money in it to go around. To many pigs at the trough. With no one else doing it I get all the plays and make all the available money.
    I understand there's a significant difference between posting something online (few viewers) vs having a TV show or segment on your plays. But why write about them online, especially in so much detail? I mean, you're practically begging for people to come out to MT to compete against you. I somewhat considered taking a trip out there just to see what was all going on....but figured at $500/day in EV, it isn't worth it (lots of expenses), plus I don't know the lay of the land, would have to do the math on the games, etc. That isn't to say someone who is more motivated to travel and do new stuff if they don't have anything right now (EG: Someone like ZenKing) wouldn't fly or drive out there and do a MT tour for a few weeks or month(s), or possibly just live out there.
    Tell them to come in December or January. They'll love the hot and balmy days.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

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