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  1. #81
    I am no expert, and I wont pretend to know anthropology. I took a course in anthroplogy 40 years ago...and remember little or even know if what I was taught is valid today.
    But either way i heard moses and his band were riding dinosaurs while the red sea was parting, there was some residual water......so they hopped a ride on a brontosaurus

    And a pterodactyl fanned the flames of the buring bush while god talked....its was about to go out...but god was long winded ad needed another 3 min...

  2. #82
    Originally Posted by LarryS View Post
    I am no expert, and I wont pretend to know anthropology. I took a course in anthroplogy 40 years ago...and remember little or even know if what I was taught is valid today.
    But either way i heard moses and his band were riding dinosaurs while the red sea was parting, there was some residual water......so they hopped a ride on a brontosaurus

    And a pterodactyl fanned the flames of the buring bush while god talked....its was about to go out...but god was long winded ad needed another 3 min...
    It may be that ancient man's practice of binding caused cranial distortions of the nature I quoted above or that may be only one of the causes.

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  4. #84
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    Originally Posted by LarryS View Post
    I am no expert, and I wont pretend to know anthropology. I took a course in anthroplogy 40 years ago...and remember little or even know if what I was taught is valid today.
    But either way i heard moses and his band were riding dinosaurs while the red sea was parting, there was some residual water......so they hopped a ride on a brontosaurus

    And a pterodactyl fanned the flames of the buring bush while god talked....its was about to go out...but god was long winded ad needed another 3 min...
    It may be that ancient man's practice of binding caused cranial distortions of the nature I quoted above or that may be only one of the causes.

    what ever the case, carbon dating shows those "binded" bones to be a million years before christ.

  5. #85
    Originally Posted by LarryS View Post
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    Originally Posted by LarryS View Post
    I am no expert, and I wont pretend to know anthropology. I took a course in anthroplogy 40 years ago...and remember little or even know if what I was taught is valid today.
    But either way i heard moses and his band were riding dinosaurs while the red sea was parting, there was some residual water......so they hopped a ride on a brontosaurus

    And a pterodactyl fanned the flames of the buring bush while god talked....its was about to go out...but god was long winded ad needed another 3 min...
    It may be that ancient man's practice of binding caused cranial distortions of the nature I quoted above or that may be only one of the causes.

    what ever the case, carbon dating shows those "binded" bones to be a million years before christ.
    Yes. Also regardless of the causes of cranial elongation of ancient man, I hope that you will visit the Santa Cruz beach boardwalk if you haven't already since they have over 20 pinball machines.

  6. #86
    I wont go till summer. The nugget in Sparks used to have 3 machines, and I would go there on saturdays with my wife and have a little tournament on Lord of the Rings. Usually 25 times a year for about 8 years....but they got rid of it 2 years ago. Totally changed it more to kiddie stuff. They used to have the simpsons but that was poorly maintained and I didnt like it anyway

    The next time the sierras get snowy and I skip reno/sparks we are going back to alameda. It pricey but worth it. Its a nice place to go twice a year. That place is only 15 -20 miles from my home. Santa cruz is a drive, plus 5 dollar tolls. For the price of gas and tolls it makes the alameda admission affordable in comparison.

  7. #87
    There are two very new video games being introduced into the casinos called Cleopatra Pinball and Texas Tea Pinball. In the bonus round you are playing a virtual pinball game. The word is they are AP'able if you are a good enough pinball player. I tried the game but I don't think my reflexes are fast enough to beat it. It plays very fast.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  8. #88
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    There are two very new video games being introduced into the casinos called Cleopatra Pinball and Texas Tea Pinball. In the bonus round you are playing a virtual pinball game. The word is they are AP'able if you are a good enough pinball player. I tried the game but I don't think my reflexes are fast enough to beat it. It plays very fast.
    I did good on the bonus but I’m not sure anyone can overcome the long periods in between getting the bonus. Would be interesting how they calculated the total return but I’m betting the base game rate is very low based on my observations. That said my sample was in a small period and my results may vary from anyone else’s.

    I believe the casinos are playing a game where they push possible AP based on skill but make it hard enough to get to use that skill that they still make their projected returns. The days of Ahigh’s dream of putting a game that could be 100%+ in a casino are long gone. Assuming there actually was a casino that didn’t laugh his company out the door during the presentation.

  9. #89
    I watched a video where the guy did real well as far as keeping the ball going on cleopatra. And 60 cents ...won 28 dollars.

    I think most people would not have lasted half as long......to me its a carnival slot for the tourists.

  10. #90
    Originally Posted by LarryS View Post
    Do you accept the science of "carbon dating" and that relics can be dated back to millions of years, and that dinosaur bones have been reconstructed into full skeletons, and that the bones of early man, with different shaped skulls and bodies who eventually communicated via cave pictures which exist to this day.

    Are those pre- adam and eve existences not mentioned in the bible because the science didnt exist at the time to know about dinosaurs and prehistoric man. Because carbon dating didnt exist. Because excavating prehistoric bones and assembling them didnt take place till last century. It seems the bible has alot missing. But alot is missing because the bible was created by man...it wasnt dictated by god. If it was dictated by god then dinosaurs would be included. Cavemen would be included. But alas those things were missing.

    So if the bible was created by man, the men who lie as you put it.....maybe religion is a lie
    You don't know anything about carbon dating. It can't date anything beyond forty four thousand years.
    Take off that stupid mask you big baby.

  11. #91
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    There are two very new video games being introduced into the casinos called Cleopatra Pinball and Texas Tea Pinball. In the bonus round you are playing a virtual pinball game. The word is they are AP'able if you are a good enough pinball player. I tried the game but I don't think my reflexes are fast enough to beat it. It plays very fast.
    You can buy the bonus round in Space Invaders (the video game, not the pinball released in 1980 by Bally) for $20 (WMS makes it), but I have only tried it once (got through the 1st two rounds and not the 3rd for a loss of $10) and never again because it is a touch screen and not actual buttons like the original or at least a joystick - I don't feel comfortable with the touch screen that WMS Space Invaders has. Others here may be good at it.

    In terms of video pinball as a skill-based casino game here are what I think (IMHO) are the important factors for AP opportunities:
    1. the physics: are they as good as the real thing ? Meaning, can the player do drop catches, alley passes, dead bounces, live catches, flipper feeds, post transfers,orbital passes and nudging techniques with similar results as the player would get in real pinball ?
    2. Can the pinball round be bought directly (like Space Invaders) ? (or do you have to lose money in a regular slots round first until the right symbols come up for the bonus round ?)
    3. Is the bonus round timed (or untimed) ? If it is untimed that is highly favorable to an experienced pinball player

    If the answer to these 3 questions is yes then it is worth exploring. If the answer to item 2 is yes, then how much would it cost to directly buy the pinball bonus round versus how much can you make during the pinball bonus round. Otherwise you have to assess the average cost it takes to get to the pinball bonus round versus how much you can make on average if the physics is real world and you have command of the real-world pinball control techniques listed above.
    Yes Nanotech has failed to bring this product to market and now they have pivoted the company in a totally different direction.
    However Gamblit Gaming will be putting a virtual pinball on the floor and no slots bonus round is involved - you pay your money and you then playing virtual pinball for money :

    So if Gamblit's physics are good I will be quite interested.

  12. #92
    Originally Posted by quahaug View Post
    You don't know anything about carbon dating. It can't date anything beyond forty four thousand years.
    It's funny how all of these "little revelations" go unnoticed on gambling forums.
    78255585899=317*13723*17989=(310+7)*[(13730-7)*(100*100+7979+10)]-->LOVE avatar@137_371_179_791, or 137_371_17[3^2]_7[3^2]1, 1=V-->Ace, low. 78255585899-->99858555287=(99858555288-1)=[-1+(72*2227)*(722777-100000)]={-1+(72*2227)*[(2000+700777+20000)-100000]}-->1_722_227_277_772_1. 7×8×2×5×5×5×8×5×8×9×9=362880000=(1000000000-6√97020000-100000)-->169_721. (7/8×2/5×5/5×8/5×8/9×9)={[(-.1+.9)]^2×(6+1)}-->1961=√4*2.24; (1/7×8/2×5/5×5/8×5/8×9/9)={1/[7×(-.2+1)^2]}-->1721=[(10*10/4)/(√4+110)].

  13. #93
    Happy 44,000thbirthday Jesus

  14. #94
    Dinosaur fossils cannot be age tested using the carbon-14 method because they are millions of years old. To determine their age the isotope’s from uranium-238, uranium-235 and potassium-40 are used. They all have a half-life of more than a million years.
    What, Me Worry?

  15. #95
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    There are two very new video games being introduced into the casinos called Cleopatra Pinball and Texas Tea Pinball. In the bonus round you are playing a virtual pinball game. The word is they are AP'able if you are a good enough pinball player. I tried the game but I don't think my reflexes are fast enough to beat it. It plays very fast.
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    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  16. #96
    You can't buy the bonus round. When you get into it you have a choice of either free games or you can choose to play pinball. On the 60 cent bet level I think it cost me like $110 to get to the pinball game three times. I quickly bombed out all three times. I don't think my reflexes are fast enough for it. I have a friend who says he's beating the game and is actually scouting casinos for it.
    Last edited by mickeycrimm; 01-22-2018 at 11:47 PM.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  17. #97
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    You can't buy the bonus round. When you get into it you have a choice of either five free games I think, or you can choose to play pinball. On the 60 cent bet level I think it cost me like $110 to get to the pinball game three times. I quickly bombed out all three times. I don't think my reflexes are fast enough for it. I have a friend who says he's beating the game and is actually scouting casinos for it.
    Mickey, thanks very much for the valuable info. Hopefully the game will hit the floor here in Reno so that I can see how good the pinball physics are (I'm willing to invest a couple c-notes to find out, assuming the game ever becomes available here). If your friend is beating the game then the physics are probably good enough for an experienced player so that real world flipper control skills are effective in the virtual pinball world. The good news is that the Gamblit pinball doesn't have a slot round to get through, so I am more excited about this product compared to the pinball products where you have to pay for a slot round - of course if it (Gamblit) never hits the floor here, I doubt I would travel to play it unless the payouts are huge. If you are interested in APing these games (Cleaopatra,Texas Tea,Gamblit), I can post some youtube videos for you in this thread of footage of pinball control techniques you can learn so that reflexes importance is mitigated. The live catch is the key skill to master: , which instantly brings the ball into the cradled position for a controlled shot (assumes virtual physics engine is good).

  18. #98
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    You can't buy the bonus round. When you get into it you have a choice of either five free games I think, or you can choose to play pinball. On the 60 cent bet level I think it cost me like $110 to get to the pinball game three times. I quickly bombed out all three times. I don't think my reflexes are fast enough for it. I have a friend who says he's beating the game and is actually scouting casinos for it.
    Mickey, thanks very much for the valuable info. Hopefully the game will hit the floor here in Reno so that I can see how good the pinball physics are (I'm willing to invest a couple c-notes to find out, assuming the game ever becomes available here). If your friend is beating the game then the physics are probably good enough for an experienced player so that real world flipper control skills are effective in the virtual pinball world. The good news is that the Gamblit pinball doesn't have a slot round to get through, so I am more excited about this product compared to the pinball products where you have to pay for a slot round - of course if it (Gamblit) never hits the floor here, I doubt I would travel to play it unless the payouts are huge. If you are interested in APing these games (Cleaopatra,Texas Tea,Gamblit), I can post some youtube videos for you in this thread of footage of pinball control techniques you can learn so that reflexes importance is mitigated. The live catch is the key skill to master: , which instantly brings the ball into the cradled position for a controlled shot (assumes virtual physics engine is good).
    I can see where that technique will be valuable in this game. The guy in this video used it and he did a lot better than me.

    https://r.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0LE...P7tP8WtpnnmX4-
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  19. #99
    Originally Posted by LarryS View Post
    Happy 44,000thbirthday Jesus
    I find it interesting that those who believe in Science seem to not fully understand their own Religion as you call it. I certainly believe that Religion is different compared to a certain way to believe and live ones life. I for one do not believe in Religion and will have nothing to do with Religion.

    You seem to be hung up on "time" which I am pretty sure that Science (Some Physicists) preach or believe that time doesn't really exist that it is a an illusion created by man. Someone who I do not know said this about time...

    "TIME is not real – it is a human construct to help us differentiate between now and our perception of the past, an equally astonishing and baffling theory states. The concept of time is simply an illusion made up of human memories, everything that has ever been and ever will be is happening RIGHT NOW."

    (Perhaps William Yung will enlighten us as a Physicist. I have asked him several direct questions and I have heard nothing but crickets from him. He does interest me though because when he posts his posts are not very direct. They have a riddle inside a riddle quality about them.)

    Of course I could be wrong about that since I am uneducated and dropped out of high school in the 10/11th grade to hitch hike to Vegas where, I for some reason, knew that I would live most of my life. I had this revelation around the age of 9 which is strange and I certainly can't explain it. It may have been more of a desire compared to some sort of vision or revelation. Perhaps TV or Movies or LV Nights at the local Fire Hall brainwashed it into me. In those days they had no problem with a 9 year old betting in their Casino with his paper route money. The AP play should have been when I lost all the money for my father to go down their and demand the money back since they shouldn't allow children to gamble for real money but he wasn't that smart and I wasn't going to cause a stink because when you lose you don't cry to get your money back.

    Of course this is only one small quote and one must study further to understand or believe in this theory that Science has suggested.

    It seems to me that a few simple things will either put you on one side of the fence or the other. It is clear that an individual when asked these questions can not be in both camps. However, that individual can say one thing and do another fooling themselves or others into thinking they are in one camp when in reality they are on the opposite side.

    1. Is there a God?
    2. Is there only One True God?
    3. Is Jesus the Son of Man/Son of God?
    4. Did Jesus live a sinless life?
    5. Did Jesus die on the cross for the Sin of Man/the World to be reconciled with God?
    6. Did Jesus rise from the dead to conquer death and hell to be seated on the right hand of his father who is God?
    7. Is it possible to accept this and be saved from some eternal damnation?
    8. Does the individual only have to accept or do they have to combine actions with belief to gain access into Gods Kingdom?

    Many other questions but I think it is pretty clear when an individual is confronted with these types of questions they either can answer yes or no, right or wrong, black and white. You have no middle ground when confronted with these types of questions. People will say that life has plenty of grey mixed in but I firmly believe that grey is equal to black and that the individual is being fooled into believing that they have found some sort of middle ground.

    Make no mistake. The AP life is not one of an honest nature. Even if that AP plays it completely straight to the rules laid out by the Casino, Gaming Commission, State... etc. etc. they are only fooling themselves into thinking they have chosen an honest lifestyle or way of life. You may think that I would think that I am exempt or on the right side of the tracks after these statements but it is apparent that the actions of my life shows that I am on the wrong side. The only difference with me is that I know I am on the wrong side and can admit it. My favorite is this guy in Vegas who has been betting sports for years now who makes a decent living at it. He also plays some machines and does that AP thing. He got into one of the Salvation Churches and goes to Church every week and at times will talk about Salvation. However he thinks he is living an Honest, Christ Like Life and can watch movies about Rape/Murder, Gamble, Drink, Smoke Marijuana and all is good. He really has fallen for this, I can live however I want as long as I believe that Jesus is Lord, all is good. I try to explain to him that we make our living inside a den of iniquity. You think Jesus is happy about that or going to give us a pass. Girls dancing in the BJ pit, smoke filled rooms, drugs and alcohol everywhere, prostitutes in every corner... trust me, the Casino is in no shape an honest place to do any business of any sort. So there is no difference in the grinder or the thief in the Casino, none whatsoever except in that AP's mind who think they are acting in an honest way which they and myself included, are not.
    Last edited by monet; 01-23-2018 at 05:37 AM.

  20. #100
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    You can't buy the bonus round. When you get into it you have a choice of either five free games I think, or you can choose to play pinball. On the 60 cent bet level I think it cost me like $110 to get to the pinball game three times. I quickly bombed out all three times. I don't think my reflexes are fast enough for it. I have a friend who says he's beating the game and is actually scouting casinos for it.
    Mickey, thanks very much for the valuable info. Hopefully the game will hit the floor here in Reno so that I can see how good the pinball physics are (I'm willing to invest a couple c-notes to find out, assuming the game ever becomes available here). If your friend is beating the game then the physics are probably good enough for an experienced player so that real world flipper control skills are effective in the virtual pinball world. The good news is that the Gamblit pinball doesn't have a slot round to get through, so I am more excited about this product compared to the pinball products where you have to pay for a slot round - of course if it (Gamblit) never hits the floor here, I doubt I would travel to play it unless the payouts are huge. If you are interested in APing these games (Cleaopatra,Texas Tea,Gamblit), I can post some youtube videos for you in this thread of footage of pinball control techniques you can learn so that reflexes importance is mitigated. The live catch is the key skill to master: , which instantly brings the ball into the cradled position for a controlled shot (assumes virtual physics engine is good).
    I can see where that technique will be valuable in this game. The guy in this video used it and he did a lot better than me.

    https://r.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0LE...P7tP8WtpnnmX4-
    Thanks for the link. It looks like for the Cleopatra bonus round (and thus for Texas Tea which uses the same physics engine), the timing for the live catch can be way less precise to implement than is required for real pinball, which is very valuable info.
    Skills list:
    live catch (most important as discussed earlier):
    drop catch:
    post transfer (transferring a cradled ball from one flipper to the other for a shot on the other side of the table):
    tap pass (I doubt the physics engine on cleopatra/texas texas/gamblit is good enough for this - works great on real pinball Ballys from the late 70's to early 80's with the thick flippers):
    flick pass: (who knows if physics engine is good enough)
    loop pass:
    dead bounce: (fatal drain if physics engine doesn't support this move and fatal drain in real pinball if flippers are spongy)
    alley pass (advanced move which may not be supported by virtual engine, I don't recommend this for beginning players):
    Last edited by tableplay; 01-23-2018 at 06:14 AM.

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