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  1. #1121
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post

    Here's the key kew: each of those 6 losses, because or the very complex "go down, not up, in denomination upon attaining mini-win goals along the way" which includes numerous 40 credit or greater soft profit cashouts, I'm losing around $6k-$10k/losing session on average and not the $57,200 session bankroll. Conversely, the winners are all either slightly above $2500, much above $2500, greatly above $2500, or in a few cases massively above $2500. In other words, there are a lot of smaller winners ($2500-$3500 range) but the larger winners far outnumber the larger losers. Which is how this short term playing strategy has been able to consistently make me money---money that is far and away at a far greater actual "hourly rate" than any of that theoretical per hour nonsense that AP's claim to "grind away" at.
    This is just complete non-sense, Rob Singer, or whatever you like to call yourself. It is just mathematically non-factual. All any kind of martingale or progression system does is change the win /loss distributions. NO betting system, progressive or otherwise can turn a negative expectation game into a winning game long-term. It is simply mathematically impossible.

    The simple example is a double-up martingale progression. Let's say you have a win goal of 1 unit. You bet 1 unit and win. Ok winning session. You lose that unit and now bet 2 units and win. Ok another winning session. You lose the 1 unit wager and the two unit wager and now bet 4 units....and win. Results winning session (1 unit). The result is going to be many, many 1 unit wins. A high percentage of winning sessions. BUT eventually you will have a much larger losing session. And you won't be able to double up due to your own bankroll limitations or casino bet limitations. The end result will be exactly the same loss percentage than if you had just repeatedly bet 1 unit. The formula is xxx (amount wagered) X xx amount of negative expectation and you cannot change that! All you can do is change the distribution of those wins and losses, not the final results. Your own self described results, something like 34 winning sessions and 6 losing sessions, mirrors this. BUT it cannot...mathematically impossible to change the final long-term outcome!

    I suspect you already know this because you are not a dumb man. So, that leaves the only possible conclusion that you repeat this mathematically untrue non-sense intentionally. And I do find that rather disturbing. Speaking out against this intentional type of misleading of people/players/members is what has lead to my "trouble' and banning at several forums.

    I know that others have been telling you the same thing I am saying for years, far before my time, so no I don't expect anything I say to make a difference. But you are just a carnival barker....barking nonsense. And I am quite sure this is why you then attack the messengers, because you simply cannot attack the message (the real math). Your alternative "Singer" math, is nonsense!

  2. #1122
    I do have a follow up question for you Mr singer/whatever name. If what I do is a scam and the casinos are so happy I and others are misleading....why is it that we (card counters) are constantly barred, backed off, half-shoed, bet restricted and otherwise harassed by casinos and the casino industry? Why has an entire new industry of databases and surveillance specialists sprung up to discourage and eliminate card counters and AP's?

    And related to this, I am guessing you sir have no problem playing. Why would that be? Why would the casinos and casino industry continue to welcome you with open arms?

    Let's hear you "spin" on this?

  3. #1123
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Originally Posted by monet View Post


    This link is pretty good. I am guessing that Rob Singer never played Flush Attack... even he would have to hold the flush draw without a high card in that game.

    His strategy is all about the Ace... he should just play Super Aces all the time... they still have some FP versions in town.
    These YouTube videos do not include the math analysis that is on my website. See:

    http://alanbestbuys.com/id194.html
    Alan, have you ever asked yourself "if Argentino's tactics actually work why is he not targeting the highest hand on the payscale, the Royal Flush, by holding 3-card royals over high pairs and 2-card royals over low pairs, etc?"
    Gee mickeycrimm, why don't you ask him?

    I didn't create his strategy I just interviewed him about it. And frankly I also offered you an interview. Mickeycrimm, but you turned me down.

  4. #1124
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    I do have a follow up question for you Mr singer/whatever name. If what I do is a scam and the casinos are so happy I and others are misleading....why is it that we (card counters) are constantly barred, backed off, half-shoed, bet restricted and otherwise harassed by casinos and the casino industry? Why has an entire new industry of databases and surveillance specialists sprung up to discourage and eliminate card counters and AP's?

    And related to this, I am guessing you sir have no problem playing. Why would that be? Why would the casinos and casino industry continue to welcome you with open arms?

    Let's hear you "spin" on this?
    It's not surprising that you have no knowledge of what I taught you about how the Law of Large Numbers works--and when it says its law does not apply. It's also not surprising you're buying into that my play strategy is a Martingale, when there's 400 credits involved with step-downs included in every level. There is nothing "mathematically impossible" about winning a session. Your misunderstanding is for some reason needing to believe that this session needs to become a part of some unrelated larger event in order that you can then resort to the age-old fallacy of "if it's negative then you have to lose, but if it's positive you could win". It is blatantly wrong to apply long term rules to short term play.

    BJ: you kind of made your own spin on your own point. I know dozens of players who said they used to play the game professionally, and they've told me that that is no longer possible--which makes sense because of the reasons you stated. And these aren't a collection of younger, gunslinging forum punks like you who don't know how or when to keep things to themselves. They're seasoned veterans who knew and know what they're doing by not playing for a living anymore.

    I don't play where I'm not allowed to play and I have been restricted over the years at many other places. But in changing times you work around that stuff, and there are MANY casinos around the state. Plus I only play the negative games, and I NEVER play for promotions or in tournaments or for drawings. Those alone should answer your question.

    I'm surprised you didn't bring up what I've been saying about Bob Dancer and his crazy claims. He does exactly as you said--he claims to win BIG, he says he rapes all slot clubs, he WRITES ARTICLES about his feats....then the same casinos just keep on letting him in to do it over and over again. You buying that?

  5. #1125
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    It's not surprising that you have no knowledge of what I taught you about how the Law of Large Numbers works--and when it says its law does not apply. It's also not surprising you're buying into that my play strategy is a Martingale, when there's 400 credits involved with step-downs included in every level. There is nothing "mathematically impossible" about winning a session. Your misunderstanding is for some reason needing to believe that this session needs to become a part of some unrelated larger event in order that you can then resort to the age-old fallacy of "if it's negative then you have to lose, but if it's positive you could win". It is blatantly wrong to apply long term rules to short term play.
    But I do know about and understand the law of large numbers! The large of laws numbers says that in the short term (small sample size) anything can and will occur. BUT, when you get to the larger sample size (long run), the math takes hold. You simply can not play a series of short term, negative expectation sessions and expect a positive long term result. That is the mathematics and nothing you say, not the fancy misleading wording and theories, nor muddying of the waters can change that. These things you are attempting to do....the muddying of the waters, the mis-directions (including personal attacks) are the tools of a con man. Distract and misdirect. BUT it does not change the math.


    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post

    BJ: you kind of made your own spin on your own point. I know dozens of players who said they used to play the game professionally, and they've told me that that is no longer possible--which makes sense because of the reasons you stated. And these aren't a collection of younger, gunslinging forum punks like you who don't know how or when to keep things to themselves. They're seasoned veterans who knew and know what they're doing by not playing for a living anymore.
    Ya know just your attitude, your use of a harmless words like "gunslinger" combined with "punks", highlights your contempt, your hatred, your bitterness....based on what? The simple fact of jealousy. You have identified someone or a group of people having success at something that you wish you had the balls to have taken that route. Bitterness and hatred, that you have and continue to exhibit based on that is just sickening. It is the lowest a person can go. The smallest a person can be.

  6. #1126
    Kew, man up and put on some thicker skin. And study the LOLN's while you're doing it. This is the internet: you're a coward for being anonymous, so nothing anyone says about or to you should bother you unless you're fabricating everything about yourself. And guess what....

    It's clear you have no math background when you keep harping about it being impossible to repeat an 85% rate of winning time and again. So I'll leave it at that. Any further discussion will do nothing but put the hurt on your sensitivity.

  7. #1127
    [QUOTE=Rob.Singer;63430]Kew, man up and put on some thicker skin. And study the LOLN's while you're doing it. This is the internet: you're a coward for being anonymous, so nothing anyone says about or to you should bother you unless you're fabricating everything about yourself. And guess what....

    It's clear you have no math background when you keep harping about it being impossible to repeat an 85% rate of winning time and again. So I'll leave it at that. Any further discussion will do nothing but put the hurt on your sensitivity.[/QUOTE

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but kewlJ never said anything about it "being impossible to repeat an 85% rate of winning time and again." I looked far and wide, and read nothing of the kind.

    An 85% win rate (or thereabouts) is what would be expected. Time and again. Over and over. In perpetuity.

    Now that bit about actually winning money using your systems going forward -- therein lies the rub. Hogwarts has nothing on the Argentino residence, both for video poker and an odd collection of weight scales.

  8. #1128
    [QUOTE=redietz;63432]
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Kew, man up and put on some thicker skin. And study the LOLN's while you're doing it. This is the internet: you're a coward for being anonymous, so nothing anyone says about or to you should bother you unless you're fabricating everything about yourself. And guess what....

    It's clear you have no math background when you keep harping about it being impossible to repeat an 85% rate of winning time and again. So I'll leave it at that. Any further discussion will do nothing but put the hurt on your sensitivity.[/QUOTE

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but kewlJ never said anything about it "being impossible to repeat an 85% rate of winning time and again." I looked far and wide, and read nothing of the kind.

    An 85% win rate (or thereabouts) is what would be expected. Time and again. Over and over. In perpetuity.

    Now that bit about actually winning money using your systems going forward -- therein lies the rub. Hogwarts has nothing on the Argentino residence, both for video poker and an odd collection of weight scales.
    You're following down the same sad path that arci did. You post nothing until something I post agitates you into putting up something stupid, while never attempting to address why you and your dumb "partners" try to get me to send in money for your "can't miss" picks.

  9. #1129
    [QUOTE=Rob.Singer;63434]
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Kew, man up and put on some thicker skin. And study the LOLN's while you're doing it. This is the internet: you're a coward for being anonymous, so nothing anyone says about or to you should bother you unless you're fabricating everything about yourself. And guess what....

    It's clear you have no math background when you keep harping about it being impossible to repeat an 85% rate of winning time and again. So I'll leave it at that. Any further discussion will do nothing but put the hurt on your sensitivity.[/QUOTE

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but kewlJ never said anything about it "being impossible to repeat an 85% rate of winning time and again." I looked far and wide, and read nothing of the kind.

    An 85% win rate (or thereabouts) is what would be expected. Time and again. Over and over. In perpetuity.

    Now that bit about actually winning money using your systems going forward -- therein lies the rub. Hogwarts has nothing on the Argentino residence, both for video poker and an odd collection of weight scales.
    You're following down the same sad path that arci did. You post nothing until something I post agitates you into putting up something stupid, while never attempting to address why you and your dumb "partners" try to get me to send in money for your "can't miss" picks.
    I see you used "partners" in quotes. That's cute. Putting it in quotes says you're not really claiming whoever is texting you is a partner of mine. Not everyone in the known universe who is a handicapper is a "partner" of mine. I haven't, by the way, sold picks per se for the last decade or so.

    As far as "can't miss" picks go, I can't say I ever referred to a game as "can't miss." Maybe once a year, I run into a game that I perceive as having a 75% chance of covering, so that certainly isn't "can't miss." It's the same as having AK versus AQ in hold 'em. I have never in 40 years used the phrase "can't miss" regarding sports handicapping.

    Obviously, if you had any shred of evidence that I was trying to sell you something, or said anything remotely like "can't miss picks" ever, you'd put the direct quote or screenshot here for all to see. You, after all, have the readers best interests at heart and certainly would provide evidence to help them steer clear of me. If I or "my partners" were texting you, those text messages would already be on VCT for everybody to read.

  10. #1130
    Obviously, I hit a nerve.

    I must seem like a dentist to you, for you to come up with a rap like that.

  11. #1131
    This is what I dont understand and maybe I can get a direct answer from the man himself. John Patrick makes the same claim as Mr Singer and when questioned all he can do is ban.
    The declaration both men make is that they play in the short run, so math can be set aside at will.

    So Mr Singer is an educated man. At least in terms of schooling.

    Is it not true that dice, a spinning ball, a deck of cards, or a VP machine has no recognition of time. Would you get the same result flipping a coin 100,000 times in one day vs flipping it once a day for 100,000 days. Or a spin of the roulette wheel 100,000 times in a day vs 100,000 times in your lifetime. Again similar results. The coin or the ball knows not when the clock strikes midnight and a new day begins. Or when your session is supposed to end. Its all math and probability.

    So by declaring that "I only bet in the short term" that is fine if you are on a vacation in vegas and only bet for the week and then go home to the farm in Kansas and never bet again. But if you are a regular bettor....thenover time..you have entered "the long run" you are governed by math and probabilities.

    I am not a mathematician so I cant giver you a hard number as to how many rolls, hands, coin flips constitute entering "the long run"....but over a lifetime....the people on thisboard and all regular gamblers are indeed playing in the long run, and math applies to us all,

    So since John Patrick declares the same thing as Mr Singer..bur patrick wont back up his declaration......please Mr Singer....give me a cogent explanation as how you can sidestep the math and probabilities that all the rest of us mere mortals have to contend with.

    declaring that math doesnt apply to you is just as logical as declaring that gravity doesnt apply to you

  12. #1132
    LarryS how about this:

    In the short term (each roll of the dice) the hard 6 has a 1/36 chance of showing. Over the long term we are told that the hard 6 will show 1/36 times.

    In video poker when I push the button I have about a one in 42,000 chance of hitting a royal. We are also told that in the long term a royal shows about 1/42,000 times.

    So what's the difference between short term and long term play anyway?

  13. #1133
    Originally Posted by LarryS View Post
    This is what I dont understand and maybe I can get a direct answer from the man himself. John Patrick makes the same claim as Mr Singer and when questioned all he can do is ban.
    The declaration both men make is that they play in the short run, so math can be set aside at will.

    So Mr Singer is an educated man. At least in terms of schooling.

    Is it not true that dice, a spinning ball, a deck of cards, or a VP machine has no recognition of time. Would you get the same result flipping a coin 100,000 times in one day vs flipping it once a day for 100,000 days. Or a spin of the roulette wheel 100,000 times in a day vs 100,000 times in your lifetime. Again similar results. The coin or the ball knows not when the clock strikes midnight and a new day begins. Or when your session is supposed to end. Its all math and probability.

    So by declaring that "I only bet in the short term" that is fine if you are on a vacation in vegas and only bet for the week and then go home to the farm in Kansas and never bet again. But if you are a regular bettor....thenover time..you have entered "the long run" you are governed by math and probabilities.

    I am not a mathematician so I cant giver you a hard number as to how many rolls, hands, coin flips constitute entering "the long run"....but over a lifetime....the people on thisboard and all regular gamblers are indeed playing in the long run, and math applies to us all,

    So since John Patrick declares the same thing as Mr Singer..bur patrick wont back up his declaration......please Mr Singer....give me a cogent explanation as how you can sidestep the math and probabilities that all the rest of us mere mortals have to contend with.

    declaring that math doesnt apply to you is just as logical as declaring that gravity doesnt apply to you
    This is the interview link... just look at this guy. You are going to give this guy the time of day? He really can't explain what he is talking about if you listen to him. Talk about Earnest Byner Fumbling!?


    This might not answer your questions but if you watch the interview with Rob and Alan you will hear Rob state that the Casino might be cheating with the machines. He hints or claims that he doesn't know and that it could very well be rigged in some way. So if you watch and listen to that interview it is clear Rob has found the formula that the machine is set at or cheating and he can abuse the patterns to create daily wins. This is the same garbage that players have sold books and advice on about Reels or Slots. They claim that they have found the certain cycles that the Reels are in or they get into this garbage about a 30 million spin cycle.

    In my opinion this is no different compared to what was going on 175 to 100 years ago with the Medicine Shows. Some people call them snake oil salesmen. You will notice that those three words start with SOL. SOL has another meaning as well and I am sure you know what it stands for.

    I have searched for two days and it is clear that not one AP or successful gambler takes Robs claims seriously. A few of them have reviewed his books and they were very nice about it and so was the Wiz but it is apparent they were just being nice and didn't say what they really thought even though they hinted at it. If people want to believe this guy played machines with strategy and lost 250k and decided to change the math because of the cheating machines and after that he won over a million playing some progression system they are allowed to believe that. Just like people bought the Medicine Shows Tonic. They really thought it would cure them. Some people around the world claim they can pull cancer out of your body as well and people fly and pay big money to get scammed by them as well.

    You will see members like BH, Rob, Mr V and perhaps a few others try to discredit my information but nobody can even begin to go into great detail showing us how my information is wrong. The reason is because I play in the Casino constantly and have for over two decades. My information isn't ten years old or stories of the glory days. I post up current information and keep it current. You can see my photos are for March and April. MC added those April pictures up and said it was 4k but if you go back and add it up you will see that it is almost 5k. Those are 8 mailers... I have over 60 total. For a very long time I have been generating 10k-20k in mail. These guys want me to show them how it can translate to 100k per year which I showed them on the Hot Sucker thread. As a matter of fact, I typed out a short novel on how to go about it. They didn't read it. They just said it was BS or it had 1000s of red flags. They certainly did not break it down like I break it down in public. I am not charging anyone 5 dollars for the book or information. They want to know how do you make 100k... as I said and have always said... players cards. Players Cards are the power that is why they are sought after and people like WoN and others pay people for them or make deals for them. The more players cards the more money... it is that simple. You find games where all you need is a 1% return on your investment and you spread it out as far as you can. So some guys have 100 cards or others have 40. It isn't that difficult. Let's say you do have 40 cards that you work off of. All you need is a goal of 10 million coin in or invested. You will get all your investment back plus 1% after the year. When you play this many hands the math has no problem working its way out to the exact numbers. So with 40 cards you are going to put in 250k per card for the year... you spread that out with 10-15 Casinos. You find the correct thresholds that offer the better mailers through experience and word of mouth. You just have to play a rotation game now. I like to play with 15 to 20 cards so that I can earn the top tier cards all over and keep them rolling. At some places like downtown you don't need as much coin in and when you play Reels you don't need as much either.

    Now you don't have to work as hard or even try for the 100k per year return... you can play far less aggressive and make 30k to 50k per year. As always... crazy things happen all the time and you find mistakes or promotions or something else to create large windfalls. I am tired of explaining how it is really done but this should open the door some more for you to understand.
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  14. #1134
    Originally Posted by monet View Post
    You will see members like BH, Rob, Mr V and perhaps a few others try to discredit my information but nobody can even begin to go into great detail showing us how my information is wrong. The reason is because I play in the Casino constantly and have for over two decades.
    Monet, I don't particularly question your posts about the nuts and bolts of HOW you approach AP in the casinos; I give you a bye on that, as it seems coherent enough.

    No, it is when you start personalizing things that your train begins to derail.

    For example, you portray yourself as a bad ass, a thief, a scoundrel; that may or may not be true, but to give yourself some cred you make stupid, unrealistic scofflaw claims.

    Claims like getting W-2G's for 20 or more years (over $700K in W-2G's last year alone) and never reporting them as you claim not to have filed a return for two decades.

    Not filing with all those W-2G's will bring the IRS down on you like flies on shit.

    Hello, paper trail.

    Perhaps I am missing something about your claim; please explain how you (and your wife; you've involved her in your little felony) avoided any contact with the IRS over the past two decades when every year you get shitloads of W-2g's which you seemingly ignore?

    In conclusion, by your own admission you've made a lot of money from AP yet you intentionally refuse to pay a dime in justly due Federal income taxes.

    That is chickenshit of the highest order; you ought to be thrown in prison, ala Al Capone.
    What, Me Worry?

  15. #1135
    Monet I'm glad you're still posting. Now please answer my question: if you stopped using your own money how quickly would those free play offers end?

  16. #1136
    Originally Posted by monet View Post
    Sometimes when I get drunk I lie.
    Aha, a clue!
    What, Me Worry?

  17. #1137
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    I do have a follow up question for you Mr singer/whatever name. If what I do is a scam and the casinos are so happy I and others are misleading....why is it that we (card counters) are constantly barred, backed off, half-shoed, bet restricted and otherwise harassed by casinos and the casino industry? Why has an entire new industry of databases and surveillance specialists sprung up to discourage and eliminate card counters and AP's?

    And related to this, I am guessing you sir have no problem playing. Why would that be? Why would the casinos and casino industry continue to welcome you with open arms?

    Let's hear you "spin" on this?
    It's not surprising that you have no knowledge of what I taught you about how the Law of Large Numbers works--and when it says its law does not apply. It's also not surprising you're buying into that my play strategy is a Martingale, when there's 400 credits involved with step-downs included in every level. There is nothing "mathematically impossible" about winning a session. Your misunderstanding is for some reason needing to believe that this session needs to become a part of some unrelated larger event in order that you can then resort to the age-old fallacy of "if it's negative then you have to lose, but if it's positive you could win". It is blatantly wrong to apply long term rules to short term play.

    BJ: you kind of made your own spin on your own point. I know dozens of players who said they used to play the game professionally, and they've told me that that is no longer possible--which makes sense because of the reasons you stated. And these aren't a collection of younger, gunslinging forum punks like you who don't know how or when to keep things to themselves. They're seasoned veterans who knew and know what they're doing by not playing for a living anymore.

    I don't play where I'm not allowed to play and I have been restricted over the years at many other places. But in changing times you work around that stuff, and there are MANY casinos around the state. Plus I only play the negative games, and I NEVER play for promotions or in tournaments or for drawings. Those alone should answer your question.

    I'm surprised you didn't bring up what I've been saying about Bob Dancer and his crazy claims. He does exactly as you said--he claims to win BIG, he says he rapes all slot clubs, he WRITES ARTICLES about his feats....then the same casinos just keep on letting him in to do it over and over again. You buying that?
    Cockamamie nonsense. All your sessions (short term) add up to the long term where the law of large numbers apply. Even if you have an 85% success rate it's that other 15% that you don't talk about.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  18. #1138
    Originally Posted by monet View Post
    Originally Posted by LarryS View Post
    This is what I dont understand and maybe I can get a direct answer from the man himself. John Patrick makes the same claim as Mr Singer and when questioned all he can do is ban.
    The declaration both men make is that they play in the short run, so math can be set aside at will.

    So Mr Singer is an educated man. At least in terms of schooling.

    Is it not true that dice, a spinning ball, a deck of cards, or a VP machine has no recognition of time. Would you get the same result flipping a coin 100,000 times in one day vs flipping it once a day for 100,000 days. Or a spin of the roulette wheel 100,000 times in a day vs 100,000 times in your lifetime. Again similar results. The coin or the ball knows not when the clock strikes midnight and a new day begins. Or when your session is supposed to end. Its all math and probability.

    So by declaring that "I only bet in the short term" that is fine if you are on a vacation in vegas and only bet for the week and then go home to the farm in Kansas and never bet again. But if you are a regular bettor....thenover time..you have entered "the long run" you are governed by math and probabilities.

    I am not a mathematician so I cant giver you a hard number as to how many rolls, hands, coin flips constitute entering "the long run"....but over a lifetime....the people on thisboard and all regular gamblers are indeed playing in the long run, and math applies to us all,

    So since John Patrick declares the same thing as Mr Singer..bur patrick wont back up his declaration......please Mr Singer....give me a cogent explanation as how you can sidestep the math and probabilities that all the rest of us mere mortals have to contend with.

    declaring that math doesnt apply to you is just as logical as declaring that gravity doesnt apply to you
    This is the interview link... just look at this guy. You are going to give this guy the time of day? He really can't explain what he is talking about if you listen to him. Talk about Earnest Byner Fumbling!?


    This might not answer your questions but if you watch the interview with Rob and Alan you will hear Rob state that the Casino might be cheating with the machines. He hints or claims that he doesn't know and that it could very well be rigged in some way. So if you watch and listen to that interview it is clear Rob has found the formula that the machine is set at or cheating and he can abuse the patterns to create daily wins. This is the same garbage that players have sold books and advice on about Reels or Slots. They claim that they have found the certain cycles that the Reels are in or they get into this garbage about a 30 million spin cycle.

    In my opinion this is no different compared to what was going on 175 to 100 years ago with the Medicine Shows. Some people call them snake oil salesmen. You will notice that those three words start with SOL. SOL has another meaning as well and I am sure you know what it stands for.

    I have searched for two days and it is clear that not one AP or successful gambler takes Robs claims seriously. A few of them have reviewed his books and they were very nice about it and so was the Wiz but it is apparent they were just being nice and didn't say what they really thought even though they hinted at it. If people want to believe this guy played machines with strategy and lost 250k and decided to change the math because of the cheating machines and after that he won over a million playing some progression system they are allowed to believe that. Just like people bought the Medicine Shows Tonic. They really thought it would cure them. Some people around the world claim they can pull cancer out of your body as well and people fly and pay big money to get scammed by them as well.

    You will see members like BH, Rob, Mr V and perhaps a few others try to discredit my information but nobody can even begin to go into great detail showing us how my information is wrong. The reason is because I play in the Casino constantly and have for over two decades. My information isn't ten years old or stories of the glory days. I post up current information and keep it current. You can see my photos are for March and April. MC added those April pictures up and said it was 4k but if you go back and add it up you will see that it is almost 5k. Those are 8 mailers... I have over 60 total. For a very long time I have been generating 10k-20k in mail. These guys want me to show them how it can translate to 100k per year which I showed them on the Hot Sucker thread. As a matter of fact, I typed out a short novel on how to go about it. They didn't read it. They just said it was BS or it had 1000s of red flags. They certainly did not break it down like I break it down in public. I am not charging anyone 5 dollars for the book or information. They want to know how do you make 100k... as I said and have always said... players cards. Players Cards are the power that is why they are sought after and people like WoN and others pay people for them or make deals for them. The more players cards the more money... it is that simple. You find games where all you need is a 1% return on your investment and you spread it out as far as you can. So some guys have 100 cards or others have 40. It isn't that difficult. Let's say you do have 40 cards that you work off of. All you need is a goal of 10 million coin in or invested. You will get all your investment back plus 1% after the year. When you play this many hands the math has no problem working its way out to the exact numbers. So with 40 cards you are going to put in 250k per card for the year... you spread that out with 10-15 Casinos. You find the correct thresholds that offer the better mailers through experience and word of mouth. You just have to play a rotation game now. I like to play with 15 to 20 cards so that I can earn the top tier cards all over and keep them rolling. At some places like downtown you don't need as much coin in and when you play Reels you don't need as much either.

    Now you don't have to work as hard or even try for the 100k per year return... you can play far less aggressive and make 30k to 50k per year. As always... crazy things happen all the time and you find mistakes or promotions or something else to create large windfalls. I am tired of explaining how it is really done but this should open the door some more for you to understand.
    Excellent post Monet. Really this is the bible of free play grinding.

  19. #1139
    Originally Posted by MisterV View Post
    Originally Posted by monet View Post
    Sometimes when I get drunk I lie.
    Aha, a clue!
    HE HAS SAID MANY TIMES HE DOESNT DRINK

  20. #1140
    Originally Posted by LarryS View Post
    Originally Posted by MisterV View Post
    Originally Posted by monet View Post
    Sometimes when I get drunk I lie.
    Aha, a clue!
    HE HAS SAID MANY TIMES HE DOESNT DRINK
    The problem is that currently 17 different people use this account across 4 continents so you never really know who is posting. This is why all the discrepancies.

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