The WoV Thread

[Rob.Singer]

I'm happy to know you pay taxes and have your own insurance. Is that the case with everyone who claims to be an AP? I would be pleased to know that it is.

In fact I would be very pleased to know that all APs pay their taxes and have insurance. Please assure me that is the case, kewlj.

What? No I can't assure you of anything regarding other AP's any more than you can or should speak for other media shyster types. I speak only for myself.

But you asking this and the way you ask it is the real problem. It shows your bias...your clear contempt for AP's. Almost everything you say, is a challenge or an attempt to draw a line in the sand. An attempt to divide into "us" vs "them".

And there you have it--the typical AP BS artist who tells so many lies even he can't keep up with them.

So now kew "can't assure us of anything regarding other ap's" yet a few posts ago he absolutely KNOWS other AP's pay for their own health insurance and taxes.

You're such a phony kew and I fully expect you to go into another one of your sickening, pussified rants about how Alan & I hate ap's and waaa....waaa....waaa----just like you always do when you get undressed in front of others with that wimp-dick of yours.

[Alan Mendelson]

Gosh I really feel sorry for the failures. Now that I'm retired I can do what the APs do... except I don't have to gamble... just use my pension.

You could've done, and can still do, what we do. You and other gamblers just choose not to. And that is ok.

Why would I want to be an AP if it means "working" to find sloppy dealers and chasing free play and hunting thru machines looking for multipliers, etc? Is that supposed to be fun?

I think there are various AP strategies and tactics that are helpful. For example I do follow proper strategy at video poker and I do make the best bets at craps and avoid the crazy capper bets such as horn and hardways and field bets. I use a card and make use of free play and comps and offers. I play the best paytables.

But I don't want to be tied to the "AP lifestyle" because when I go to a casino it's for entertainment and I don't want to live there or work there.

Good luck to you. And save for your retirement and keep your health insurance. You never know when Obamacare will go away.

[Rob.Singer]

The real definition of what/who any AP is has long been manipulated and muddied by what people say on forums.

These people think no differently than anyone who makes the most out of the various situations we find ourselves in in our daily lives. Some people aren't timid about grabbing for the gusto while many are. The fact that they apply this effort to gambling is not surprising at all, and what they don't like knowing us that there are far more of these type people than they want to know about.

Math is behind virtually everything we run into, and it guides gambling just like it does the rest. The problem we run into on forums is that these gambling AP's want to be and feel special and superior to the everyday or occasional recreational players, when in truth they hardly are. I mean, look at mickey--an undereducated dropout from school and life, yet he found a handle on how to advantageously gamble. That right there screams simplicity. It's only a matter of how much you like to "talk it up".

[MisterV]

Seems to me that a recreational gambler can and arguably should also be an AP: the two are not mutually exclusive.

[Alan Mendelson]

Mickeycrimm before you yell and scream I would say what Rob just wrote about you was a complement.

[Alan Mendelson]

Seems to me that a recreational gambler can and arguably should also be an AP: the two are not mutually exclusive.

I'm not sure a recreational gambler has the will or time to do what jbjb does looking for sloppy dealers. Chances are those sloppy dealers are in "starter casinos" and work off hours and recreational gamblers have better things to do with their time. Of course there are some AP techniques we can all use all the time.

[kewlJ]

I am not even going to respond to Hairy Argentino. No point. She is completely irrelevant. A non factor. Nothing but a bug on the windshield of life. A funny-looking bug that the whole world is laughing AT.

But I do have a couple comments for Mr Mendelson. When I started participating here, I immediately recognized Alan's anti-AP bias. But unlike Hairy, Alan was sneaky about it. He pretended to act civil, like a normal human being to hide his contempt for AP's....his bitterness. With the exception of the night Alan jumped up at 3am and ran out trying to prove me wrong, he became pretty good at tricking us all and hiding his contempt.

He no longer is good at that. In recent weeks and months Alan is no longer able to hide his bitterness and contempt at all. It's like he no longer can control himself.

Alan, you lost credibility throughout the gambling community several years ago with the 18 y.o.'s in a row. And now as you sink lower and lower emulating your idol, Hairy, you are becoming the same laughing stock that he is throughout the community. Is that really your goal and desire? For people to think you just as big a dick and think you just as ridiculous and irrelevant as Hairy Argentinoi?

Sad Alan Mendelson....really sad.

[Alan Mendelson]

Kewlj I don't know what your problem is but I hope you find peace someday. You are not only a drama queen but you are someone to be feared for the potential danger you pose. It is clear you are ready to explode and I hope you don't hurt anyone. You are a prime candidate for violence.

[Rob.Singer]

It all depends on what an individual thinks is super important to them....it's all about motivation. I failed as an AP as someone with a strong background for it, but I greatly succeeded in my personal life. An over-achiever really. Then I became highly motivated in showing myself that I had the capability to turn things around in my VP play, and I achieved that.

Yes, many recreational players are and consider themselves AP's according to their own definition of the term, and if you went around the local casinos in town and asked you'd find that to be the case. The problems arise when incredible and/or complicated claims are made, like counting two tables or in my case, consistently being able to profit from slightly negative vp games. It agitates people, so they attack and smear. We all do it in an effort to find out the secret behind the claims. Ask redietz about it.

[Rob.Singer]

I am not even going to respond to Hairy Argentino. No point. She is completely irrelevant. A non factor. Nothing but a bug on the windshield of life. A funny-looking bug that the whole world is laughing AT.

But I do have a couple comments for Mr Mendelson. When I started participating here, I immediately recognized Alan's anti-AP bias. But unlike Hairy, Alan was sneaky about it. He pretended to act civil, like a normal human being to hide his contempt for AP's....his bitterness. With the exception of the night Alan jumped up at 3am and ran out trying to prove me wrong, he became pretty good at tricking us all and hiding his contempt.

He no longer is good at that. In recent weeks and months Alan is no longer able to hide his bitterness and contempt at all. It's like he no longer can control himself.

Alan, you lost credibility throughout the gambling community several years ago with the 18 y.o.'s in a row. And now as you sink lower and lower emulating your idol, Hairy, you are becoming the same laughing stock that he is throughout the community. Is that really your goal and desire? For people to think you just as big a dick and think you just as ridiculous and irrelevant as Hairy Argentinoi?

Sad Alan Mendelson....really sad.

And there you have it once again--the forum liar and whiner taking his frustrations out in the same old boring way: make up things about and pick on Alan. What the matter kew, having problems at home again?

[Alan Mendelson]

I'll never forget the time I was approached in a casino by someone who recognized me from TV. He proudly announced he was an AP. Later I discovered his annual income from gambling was under $8,000 a year. Is that really something to be envied? I offered him a job but he said he'd rather sit in casinos.

[kewlJ]

A couple pretty big revelations here folks.

Singer: "I failed as an AP." THAT tells anyone all they needs to know. That is the basis for his whole agenda and bitterness. He is angry at those that succeeded where he failed.

Alan Mendelson: "someone recognized me". Alan's whole deal is trying to stay relevant. He thinks he is a celebrity. I never head of him, but whatever. Some sort of small local public personality trying to stay relevant long after they no longer are.

I feel bad for both. Neither is anyway to go through life.

[mickeycrimm]

The real definition of what/who any AP is has long been manipulated and muddied by what people say on forums.

These people think no differently than anyone who makes the most out of the various situations we find ourselves in in our daily lives. Some people aren't timid about grabbing for the gusto while many are. The fact that they apply this effort to gambling is not surprising at all, and what they don't like knowing us that there are far more of these type people than they want to know about.

Math is behind virtually everything we run into, and it guides gambling just like it does the rest. The problem we run into on forums is that these gambling AP's want to be and feel special and superior to the everyday or occasional recreational players, when in truth they hardly are. I mean, look at mickey--an undereducated dropout from school and life, yet he found a handle on how to advantageously gamble. That right there screams simplicity. It's only a matter of how much you like to "talk it up".

Yes, it is pretty simple, Rob. Simple enough that an uneducated person like myself could grasp it. But not simple enough for a college degree'd person like yourself to understand it.

[MaxPen]

People who are down on AP's are just jealous because they are lacking the ability to figure out how to liberate themselves from being mired in the system with the rest of the cattle. People inherently want to be independent and live life on their own terms but they find that they must subjugate themselves and sell bits and pieces in order to survive.

While I am not anti-AP I must disagree with your thesis.

You are attempting to romanticize AP's and that dog just won't hunt.

You err in setting AP's up as being independent cowboys.

AP's are NOT independent!

Fact is you are captives of the casinos.

You AP's spend all your working hours in the casinos, obeying their rules (stretching, not breaking them), breathing their air, playing their games.

How is that any different, really, than a guy clerking at a 7-11, or a fireman, or a pharmacist?

We all have to bow down to THE MAN one way or another.

It's not like you can do whatever the hell you want 24-7: you've got to put in the hours, same as the rest of us.

No, you're not special, unique, or exempt: I neither admire nor condemn AP's, they're just a bunch of swinging dicks trying to make a living.

I'm not romanticizing anything. Maybe you are when you read my description of the life. Cowboying is hard work. Screw that shit.
AP's are no more captive to casinos than a bear is to a river full of salmon struggling to swim upstream. Casinos are nothing more than an AP's feeding grounds.
Some AP's work a little and some a lot. Some are more efficient and skillfull than others. Some are restricted by availability of salmon supply and some are not.
A skilled AP can decide when and where to feast whenever they choose to do so, as most casinos (feeding grounds) are open 24-7. A lot of successful AP's have already accumulated a lifetime's supply of meals.
I know that it is hard to comprehend when you cannot see stuff that is right in front of your face. That is why, unlike Monet who seems to be a glutton for abuse, I tend to keep my mouth shut and will never expose my methods. People then can only criticize as that majoker Singer does. I have learned that you cannot enlighten an idiot just as well you cannot fix crazy.

[Alan Mendelson]

Kewlj there is no reason for you to know me. I was on TV in LA.

But now is a good time for me to say this. I fear you and I have reported you to the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police and to the FBI and Dan has also been appraised of the situation. I have copied and forwarded some of your posts including those where you have threatened violence against others. Stay away from me and in the future it would be best if you do not respond to my posts just as I from now on will not respond to yours. You have been warned.

[MaxPen]

Kewlj there is no reason for you to know me. I was on TV in LA.

But now is a good time for me to say this. I fear you and I have reported you to the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police and to the FBI and Dan has also been appraised of the situation. I have copied and forwarded some of your posts including those where you have threatened violence against others. Stay away from me and in the future it would be best if you do not respond to my posts just as I from now on will not respond to yours. You have been warned.

LOL....you are quoting your "stalker" in your signature line. Who is stalking who?
Are you afraid of your shadow as well?

[Keystone]

Kewlj there is no reason for you to know me. I was on TV in LA.

But now is a good time for me to say this. I fear you and I have reported you to the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police and to the FBI and Dan has also been appraised of the situation. I have copied and forwarded some of your posts including those where you have threatened violence against others. Stay away from me and in the future it would be best if you do not respond to my posts just as I from now on will not respond to yours. You have been warned.

LOL....you are quoting your "stalker" in your signature line. Who is stalking who?
Are you afraid of your shadow as well?

LOL...he erased it...what a joker

[kewlJ]

Kewlj there is no reason for you to know me. I was on TV in LA.

But now is a good time for me to say this. I fear you and I have reported you to the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police and to the FBI and Dan has also been appraised of the situation. I have copied and forwarded some of your posts including those where you have threatened violence against others. Stay away from me and in the future it would be best if you do not respond to my posts just as I from now on will not respond to yours. You have been warned.

You have clearly gone off the deep end Alan. But just for fun, lets look at the facts and timeline here.

After attempting to discredit me concerning tracking two tables, Alan was humiliated when other blackjack players, including several well known long-term players confirmed, that this technique was not only possible, but fairly routine among experienced players. Don Schlesinger confirmed he has been doing it for 40 years. Similarly with Richard Munchkin.

So humiliated that he obviously didn't know what the hell he was talking about and making judgement on things he knew nothing about, Alan went into this thing where he claimed he was afraid of me. He used that excuse to leave the site for several weeks last fall, until he just couldn't help himself and returned.

Upon returning Alan has continued to reference tracking two tables in a negative way, insinuating that it can't be done. He doesn't understand the concept along with the concept that not every card need be seen to identify an advantageous situation for the player. Alan doesn't understand it, so it can't be done.

So again, the important thing is that Alan initiated continuing discussion with me,

Next, January's discussion about accumulating EV. Alan has no clue of this concept, so he mocked it. Even referenced it in his signature. Is this a guy afraid of me? He is initiating discussions.

At this point Alan again left the site, but this time because MrV has been being mean to him for years. Again, he couldn't control himself and returned, lobbying for fellow anti-AP 'hater' Hairy Argentino to be re-instated.

The fact is, I know exactly what Alan is about with his anti-AP agenda. Just another one of these bitter old dudes. And in exposing him and his agenda in recent weeks, I guess I have again humiliated Alan. So now he is reporting me to the Police, FBI and Dan?

Good luck Alan....you have some real issues.

[MisterV]

I'll never forget the time I was approached in a casino by someone who recognized me from TV. He proudly announced he was an AP. Later I discovered his annual income from gambling was under $8,000 a year. Is that really something to be envied?

Provided he has a day job (i.e. a so-called "real job") then I would have to unequivocally say "Yes!"

I'd feel tip top of the world if I averaged $8K a year from gambling in addition to my earnings from my employment.

Sounds like he's a RAP artist (recreational advantage player).

[redietz]

Mr. Mendelson has reported KJ to the FBI. LOL. Hey, KJ, you've been warned.

And here I didn't know one could have people arrested for responding to brain dead posts. Will wonders never cease. It's the politically correct times we live in. Protected retardism. Whooops -- that was a no-no. The FBI and Metro being called to "protect" Mr. Mendelson from being slightly sleazy and being a maroon. This is the funniest stuff ever. I bet site views will double to follow this bit. Mr. Mendelson is going for King of the Drama Queens. No back seat for him.

KewlJ, tell you what, you let me know what you want to say to Mr. Mendelson via PM, and I'll post it under my name. I could use the street cred as a bad man.