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  1. #1501
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Originally Posted by Bill Yung View Post
    Yes, of course. But a joke that appears to be lost on so many here.
    Of course this site lacks a sense of humor which is why everyone went into a tizzy over Rob's comments that Mickey's photos were lifted from casino websites.
    The problem with the above conclusion is that Rob included no indication whatsoever that his comment was a joke.

    By your thinking we should believe that everything he posts is not true, that it is all a joke.

    I'm down with that.
    What, Me Worry?

  2. #1502
    Originally Posted by MisterV View Post
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Originally Posted by Bill Yung View Post
    Yes, of course. But a joke that appears to be lost on so many here.
    Of course this site lacks a sense of humor which is why everyone went into a tizzy over Rob's comments that Mickey's photos were lifted from casino websites.
    The problem with the above conclusion is that Rob included no indication whatsoever that his comment was a joke.

    By your thinking we should believe that everything he posts is not true, that it is all a joke.

    I'm down with that.

    Yeah, basically if Argentino is caught lying, he claims he was "punking" people. I'm still wondering why he doesn't provide the email or text I allegedly sent him so Mr. Mendelson can collect $1000.

    I can only imagine the backdoor conversation between Mr. Mendelson and Argentino. "I'm not lying, Alan, he really sent me texts." "Well, then, post them so I can get a thousand, and expose redietz as a liar." "Well, Alan, you see, I need to get to my storage locker, but as soon as I do...."

  3. #1503
    I played the Westin promotion and paid about 15 people to do it for me as well. Its been so long I don't remember the exact deal but I know you had to give them cash to get at least double it may have even been triple that amount in free play IIRC it was up to $500.

    At the beginning, you could get in and out fairly quickly, but once the word got out the line was very long and it was a very long wait. Soon after, they also ran a double jackpot promotion I think it was 1 per person. Probably not wize to just get any bumb off the street and hand him cash. I guess you could wait in line with the person and hand him the cash once he got up to the boothling. I wouldnt want to do that in fear of getting tossed out.

    Since Alan and Rob think Free Play is worthless then they will claim the promo was worthless.

    Alan, I can post up some $500++ an hour plays. If I do, will you stop posting for one month and on your return stop talking about AP?

    Here is a starter for you. You can find probably the information online if you investigate. Back in early 2000's Casino-on-net(now casino 888) ran a promo where they paied double on 0 and 7 for about 2 hours. Unfortunatlly, and unknown to me at the time, you didnt get the bonus money untill the next day so you couldnt parlay you winnings into larger bets(eventully you were going to run out of money with a bunch of pending bonuses). I also didnt know if I could trust the casino to pay or if there games were random. So we only deposited a few thousand each. You had to roll over the bonus money one once before you cashed out. They lost millions on that promotion most it was taken out by online bonus hunter AP's who made large cash deposits leadding up to the promotion day. That was worth 100's of thousands per hour if you prepared. If you didnt prepair all that well it was only worth 3k to 10k per hour.
    Last edited by AxelWolf; 04-23-2018 at 01:05 PM.

  4. #1504
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    Back in early 2000's Casino-on-net(now casino 888) ran a promo where they paied double on 0 and 7 for about 2 hours. Unfortunatlly, and unknown to me at the time, you didnt get the bonus money untill the next day so you couldnt parlay you winnings into larger bets(eventully you were going to run out of money with a bunch of pending bonuses). I also didnt know if I could trust the casino to pay or if there games were random.
    IIRC they were considered reliable for payouts.

  5. #1505
    Originally Posted by MisterV View Post
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Originally Posted by Bill Yung View Post
    Yes, of course. But a joke that appears to be lost on so many here.
    Of course this site lacks a sense of humor which is why everyone went into a tizzy over Rob's comments that Mickey's photos were lifted from casino websites.
    The problem with the above conclusion is that Rob included no indication whatsoever that his comment was a joke.

    By your thinking we should believe that everything he posts is not true, that it is all a joke.

    I'm down with that.
    I think most of what appears here is just a joke.

  6. #1506
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    Originally Posted by MisterV View Post
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post

    Of course this site lacks a sense of humor which is why everyone went into a tizzy over Rob's comments that Mickey's photos were lifted from casino websites.
    The problem with the above conclusion is that Rob included no indication whatsoever that his comment was a joke.

    By your thinking we should believe that everything he posts is not true, that it is all a joke.

    I'm down with that.

    Yeah, basically if Argentino is caught lying, he claims he was "punking" people. I'm still wondering why he doesn't provide the email or text I allegedly sent him so Mr. Mendelson can collect $1000.

    I can only imagine the backdoor conversation between Mr. Mendelson and Argentino. "I'm not lying, Alan, he really sent me texts." "Well, then, post them so I can get a thousand, and expose redietz as a liar." "Well, Alan, you see, I need to get to my storage locker, but as soon as I do...."
    Tsk Tsk Tsk. You put the imaginary conversation in quotes. Didn't you once write that you can't use quotes unless it was an accurate reuse of the same words?

  7. #1507
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    Back in early 2000's Casino-on-net(now casino 888) ran a promo where they paid double on 0 and 7 for about 2 hours. Unfortunately, and unknown to me at the time, you didn't get the bonus money untill the next day so you couldnt parlay you winnings into larger bets(eventully you were going to run out of money with a bunch of pending bonuses). I also didnt know if I could trust the casino to pay or if there games were random.
    IIRC they were considered reliable for payouts.
    Perhaps, but when it comes to promotions and they lose their ass, they might not be so honorable(even B&M casinos will pull shenanigans). Back in the day when Casino On Net first appeared you could disconnect during a hand on Blackjack if you didn't like your hand and you got a refund. You would think this would make you a shit ton of money, however, this wasn't the case for me, I stopped because I was just treading water. Obviously, I didn't do it every time or at a rate that might make them catch on. IMO, at that time the software was gaffed. I guess I could have just ran really bad. It's not like I didn't have B&M casinos and promos to play at here in Vegas. Its hard to do everything. In hindsight, there's a lot of things I wish I would have done differently, more of, or concentrated on different plays instead. Sometimes you just have to do the things you know is working for sure.

    p.s. I didnt have much time to really prepair either. I was lucky to get any money in.

  8. #1508
    Axel why would I say free play is worthless? I've never said such a thing. I think free play is very valuable. I hit my second $100k royal at Caesars using $2500 of free play. I make use of my $50 free play twice a week at a local casino in Vegas. I think free play should always be used.

    Obviously you have me confused with someone else and some different statement.

    Oh, and I'm glad to see you posting here after you were reamed by so many of the WOV crowd.

  9. #1509
    Axel regarding your offer:

    "Alan, I can post up some $500++ an hour plays. If I do, will you stop posting for one month and on your return stop talking about AP?"

    I accept your challenge if these are current promos that I can verify by calling each casino. If they're offers from years past then no. I don't live in the past but it appears many APs do.

  10. #1510
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    Yeah, basically if Argentino is caught lying, he claims he was "punking" people.
    If you want to cling to that stance, then at least admit that Singer didn't repeatedly threaten (in writing) to meet up with half the persons here to beat them up in some dark alley, or to kill them on sight with his pistol - and then claim it was all a joke. I'm usually the last one around my place to get a real joke, but I realized straight away that Singer's was too-far fetched, and easily verifiable by just eyeballing any one of Mickey's pictures.
    78255585899=317*13723*17989=(310+7)*[(13730-7)*(100*100+7979+10)]-->LOVE avatar@137_371_179_791, or 137_371_17[3^2]_7[3^2]1, 1=V-->Ace, low. 78255585899-->99858555287=(99858555288-1)=[-1+(72*2227)*(722777-100000)]={-1+(72*2227)*[(2000+700777+20000)-100000]}-->1_722_227_277_772_1. 7×8×2×5×5×5×8×5×8×9×9=362880000=(1000000000-6√97020000-100000)-->169_721. (7/8×2/5×5/5×8/5×8/9×9)={[(-.1+.9)]^2×(6+1)}-->1961=√4*2.24; (1/7×8/2×5/5×5/8×5/8×9/9)={1/[7×(-.2+1)^2]}-->1721=[(10*10/4)/(√4+110)].

  11. #1511
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    I accept your challenge...
    Of course you do. And what will become of it? Another six months of wrangling over details with fly-by-nighters who have nothing better to do but have you accept their cinch conditions.
    78255585899=317*13723*17989=(310+7)*[(13730-7)*(100*100+7979+10)]-->LOVE avatar@137_371_179_791, or 137_371_17[3^2]_7[3^2]1, 1=V-->Ace, low. 78255585899-->99858555287=(99858555288-1)=[-1+(72*2227)*(722777-100000)]={-1+(72*2227)*[(2000+700777+20000)-100000]}-->1_722_227_277_772_1. 7×8×2×5×5×5×8×5×8×9×9=362880000=(1000000000-6√97020000-100000)-->169_721. (7/8×2/5×5/5×8/5×8/9×9)={[(-.1+.9)]^2×(6+1)}-->1961=√4*2.24; (1/7×8/2×5/5×5/8×5/8×9/9)={1/[7×(-.2+1)^2]}-->1721=[(10*10/4)/(√4+110)].

  12. #1512
    Originally Posted by Bill Yung View Post
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    I accept your challenge...
    Of course you do. And what will become of it? Another six months of wrangling over details with fly-by-nighters who have nothing better to do but have you accept their cinch conditions.
    Why would anyone give an anti-AP'er information on current promotions? Go find them yourself.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  13. #1513
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    I think most of what appears here is just a joke.
    Yes, and you, Argentino, Blackstinkhole and Yung are the jokes.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  14. #1514
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    There were "AP's" who supplied fake ID's for recruits who didn't have them or weren't 21. I remember each being paid $50 for getting involved.

    I don't recall the exact promo (if it was free play or whatever) but what it did was get players in the door to play, and that's exactly what they did. What the casino knew that everyone else knew and knows, is that even when players claim they'll stop at a certain point, ap's aren't programmed to do that and as a result, the vast majority of sign-ups did what just about every gambler who comes down the pike does--they play on and lose. The $600 cut into the margin % so in that regard it wasn't successful, but it did make money. The thing that killed it though were the lines and the manipulations.
    More Singer myths. 95% of the homeless have I.D's. Would anyone really go to the trouble of making a false ID for those that don't? And if you want to see a casino turn into a ghost town watch what happens when a good promotion ends or is cancelled. You could shoot a shotgun down the middle of the place and not hit anyone.
    Last edited by mickeycrimm; 04-23-2018 at 04:10 PM.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  15. #1515
    I need to hear from Axel. Are these current offers?

    I have a list of "AP offers" from my past including $5,000 cash show-up money at Bellagio and multiple $2500 free play offers from Caesars with no additional play required.

    Playing 8/5 Bonus thru one time what were the Caesars offers worth? More than your $500.

    The Bellagio offer required no play but I did hit a $31,000 progressive on it.

    But alas they are in the PAST. Now, what have you got today?

  16. #1516
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    I think most of what appears here is just a joke.
    Yes, and you, Argentino, Blackstinkhole and Yung are the jokes.
    Please don't exclude 99% of everything else here.

  17. #1517
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    I think most of what appears here is just a joke.
    Really?

    A joke?

    What's the punch line?
    What, Me Worry?

  18. #1518
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    Back in early 2000's Casino-on-net(now casino 888) ran a promo where they paid double on 0 and 7 for about 2 hours. Unfortunately, and unknown to me at the time, you didn't get the bonus money untill the next day so you couldnt parlay you winnings into larger bets(eventully you were going to run out of money with a bunch of pending bonuses). I also didnt know if I could trust the casino to pay or if there games were random.
    IIRC they were considered reliable for payouts.
    Perhaps, but when it comes to promotions and they lose their ass, they might not be so honorable(even B&M casinos will pull shenanigans). Back in the day when Casino On Net first appeared you could disconnect during a hand on Blackjack if you didn't like your hand and you got a refund. You would think this would make you a shit ton of money, however, this wasn't the case for me, I stopped because I was just treading water. Obviously, I didn't do it every time or at a rate that might make them catch on. IMO, at that time the software was gaffed. I guess I could have just ran really bad. It's not like I didn't have B&M casinos and promos to play at here in Vegas. Its hard to do everything. In hindsight, there's a lot of things I wish I would have done differently, more of, or concentrated on different plays instead. Sometimes you just have to do the things you know is working for sure.

    p.s. I didnt have much time to really prepair either. I was lucky to get any money in.
    Yes for very large payouts they may have sang a different tune. Recall that in those cases you could go to Casinomeister in an attempt at arbitration (you might get 50% of your winnings) and also there was a specialized arbiter for Playtech casinos (back when US citizens could play at Playtech casino sites) which I forget the name of.
    Last edited by tableplay; 04-23-2018 at 04:59 PM.

  19. #1519
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    The #1 reason people file for bankruptcy is illness usually cancer without sufficient insurance. For them a second job is out of the question and they probably can't work even one job.

    https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/6887642
    It was 1996. Illness wasn't my issue and I've explained it here before when arci blew his stack over me. But I'll be happy to go over it once again because it was a stepping stone to our financial security.

    First off I lost about $45k/year on apvp for 6-1/2 yrs., and while that may seem a lot back then to the scrapers-by here, I didn't even feel it. The bigger issue was buying a piece of land in Calif. for six figures that turned out to be a scam and I lost it all. I was out of the country 75% of the time and didn't do my homework like I should have. So we filed to eliminate that debt, and before the BK laws were changed they couldn't touch our significant 401k's, so I took complete advantage of that and a few other loopholes. In short, it was a very positive experience, but as regnis could probably tell you, the law changed since then and it would be a VERY different outcome today.

    Now I've also talked about how I took huge advantage of IRS law for the 10 years I filed as a professional gambler. Few people do that--even Jean Scott and her infamous Chinese tax atty. don't even have access to the kind of legal tricks I did with my son-in-law at the time.

    Yes, every time I took my wife out to dinner, that was a business expense, which for those of you on the sidelines who don't know, is a direct deduction from income. Why? Because I was a pro gambler, a writer, and a consultant to other VP players as I called it. And my wife was my volunteer assistant whom I discussed business matters with at every meal out.

    As for the partial grocery deductions--I had many BBQ parties in my backyard, and there were always times I had one or more of my "clients" over. Thus the groceries deductions. And why would the IRS allow this? Because I pro-actively showed them their own guidelines on saving the Govt. money by choosing the cheaper of the two: an expensive meal out...or a far cheaper meal in the back yard.

    These were just some of the things that not only professional gamblers should be checking on in any way possible, but ALL schedule C filers should be trying to find out about. Think GE, who used to pay lots of taxes until they smartened up and hired roomfulls of ex-IRS employees to do their taxes. They went from paying hundreds of millions to paying none.

    It's all there folks, and you don't have to be a super special phantom bucks expert to be able to utilize these bankruptcy and tax tools.
    People gamble at casinos and lose, and people gamble at real estate and lose. It doesnt mean bankruptsy is the course that honest people should take.
    Someone in the "right" could sue if there was a provable scam by the casino via rigged games. or knowingly feeding massive amounts of alcohol to a big fish (i have heard of that type of case in AC...but dnt know how that turned out).........but ifsomeone was scammed.....they would try to get their money back as well as try to avoid paying the remained of theirobligation.....but you dont get that via bankruptcy. In bankruptsy..they get to keep what they already have,

    And in bankruptcy, all boats sink with the bankruptcy tide..Every creditor gets stiffed. Even the one that didnt fuck you.

  20. #1520
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    This "forced entry" claim is new to me. Sounds like I should be in jail, right? See if you can find more information on that. 2005 is the same year I put $640,000 cash in escrow at the Casuarina for the public AP challenge. Maybe I STOLE the money from somewhere or someone....how's that scenario fit mickey?
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    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

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