The WoV Thread

[Rob.Singer]

There were "AP's" who supplied fake ID's for recruits who didn't have them or weren't 21. I remember each being paid $50 for getting involved.

I don't recall the exact promo (if it was free play or whatever) but what it did was get players in the door to play, and that's exactly what they did. What the casino knew that everyone else knew and knows, is that even when players claim they'll stop at a certain point, ap's aren't programmed to do that and as a result, the vast majority of sign-ups did what just about every gambler who comes down the pike does--they play on and lose. The $600 cut into the margin % so in that regard it wasn't successful, but it did make money. The thing that killed it though were the lines and the manipulations.

More Singer myths. 95% of the homeless have I.D's. Would anyone really go to the trouble of making a false ID for those that don't? And if you want to see a casino turn into a ghost town watch what happens when a good promotion ends or is cancelled. You could shoot a shotgun down the middle of the place and not hit anyone.

More of the same mickey. All you ever do is find a post by some forlorn AP from years ago and then post it as if it were your own. You have no clue what the recruiters did, and I saw some of the fake ID's given to the homeless because they started confiscating them. So unless there was a rush to apply to UNLV by 50-year olds, you're talking out of your ass again.

[Rob.Singer]

The problem with the above conclusion is that Rob included no indication whatsoever that his comment was a joke.

By your thinking we should believe that everything he posts is not true, that it is all a joke.

I'm down with that.

Yeah, basically if Argentino is caught lying, he claims he was "punking" people. I'm still wondering why he doesn't provide the email or text I allegedly sent him so Mr. Mendelson can collect $1000.

I can only imagine the backdoor conversation between Mr. Mendelson and Argentino. "I'm not lying, Alan, he really sent me texts." "Well, then, post them so I can get a thousand, and expose redietz as a liar." "Well, Alan, you see, I need to get to my storage locker, but as soon as I do...."

Tsk Tsk Tsk. You put the imaginary conversation in quotes. Didn't you once write that you can't use quotes unless it was an accurate reuse of the same words?

Of course he did, only in true libtard fashion, his criticisms don't apply to him.

[AxelWolf]

I need to hear from Axel. Are these current offers?

I have a list of "AP offers" from my past including $5,000 cash show-up money at Bellagio and multiple $2500 free play offers from Caesars with no additional play required.

Playing 8/5 Bonus thru one time what were the Caesars offers worth? More than your $500.

The Bellagio offer required no play but I did hit a $31,000 progressive on it.

But alas they are in the PAST. Now, what have you got today?

Good to know that you think Free Play is very valuable.

I wouldn't even talk about a current play that was worth $25 an hour. The fact is, there have been plays worth over $500 an hour, there are plays that are worth over $500 an hour, and mostlikley there will be many more plays that are worth over $500 an hour.

I have no idea what you are talking about "getting reamed by WOV members". I dont really need an explanation either.

I made a few posts that I thought made it obvious why I refrained from posting here. People were getting a little too crazy around here. Hell, now you are calling the FBI on people, who wants to be involved with BS like that? Either way, I'm just not all that interested in posting here as much at this time.

[jbjb]

This "forced entry" claim is new to me. Sounds like I should be in jail, right? See if you can find more information on that. 2005 is the same year I put $640,000 cash in escrow at the Casuarina for the public AP challenge. Maybe I STOLE the money from somewhere or someone....how's that scenario fit mickey?

Could you just imagine Rob in that pink jail garb in Sheriff Joe's jail there?

[Alan Mendelson]

Thanks Axel. Have a nice life.

[redietz]

Yeah, basically if Argentino is caught lying, he claims he was "punking" people. I'm still wondering why he doesn't provide the email or text I allegedly sent him so Mr. Mendelson can collect $1000.

I can only imagine the backdoor conversation between Mr. Mendelson and Argentino. "I'm not lying, Alan, he really sent me texts." "Well, then, post them so I can get a thousand, and expose redietz as a liar." "Well, Alan, you see, I need to get to my storage locker, but as soon as I do...."

Tsk Tsk Tsk. You put the imaginary conversation in quotes. Didn't you once write that you can't use quotes unless it was an accurate reuse of the same words?

Of course he did, only in true libtard fashion, his criticisms don't apply to him.

Guessing at politics, Argentino? I happen to agree with half of Trump's policies. But I'd never vote for the man, mainly because bankruptcies, 3500 lawsuits, and using sockpuppets to promote yourself aren't necessarily great attributes for a president...in my opinion. But I can see why he may resonate with some.

[monet]

I seen you guys talking about the Westin Casurina Promotion. That was like 2005/06... I don't understand how you guys run 15 people through these things and don't remember them. I remember that promotion very well. It only lasted through the weekend. You went to the club and gave them 300 dollars cash and they gave you 600 dollars free play on your account. I ran about 10 friends and family through. They got crushed on the promotion as I understand it but you never know what happened because I know players who would do things like that and drop thousands playing dice or blackjack. They shut down the promotion after they realized it was a bad deal for the Casino.

Not all Casinos change or drop promotions right away. These days, in Vegas, the Promotions are drying up. I do get some information that out of town promotions happen but for me I am not traveling. After the Casurina Westin promotion, a few years down the road, the rebate promotions started to pop up all over the place and players made easy money at the Palms, Riveria, Plaza and Tropicana to name a few. The Palms and the Rivera were the most lucrative for me. I ran about 10 through the Palms and at that time you could pull the card to show a quick 1000 dollar loss. The best thing about them was that one month they sent all the players I signed up some special free play promotion where they got 800x4 for 3200 in free play. I was really surprised with that one. The Rivera was really good as well offering full pay video poker and strong mail with the rebate promotion. These rebate promotions lasted a very long time.

The Plaza stuck with their double royal/4x bingo promotion for over a year. The Skyline realized early that their chase the royal and bingo promotion was getting hammered but they stuck with it for the advertised month. They kept the full pay DB and the Bingo promotion for some time after before pulling it out. Of course the owner is a billionaire so maybe they were just washing money or something else.

[mickeycrimm]

There were "AP's" who supplied fake ID's for recruits who didn't have them or weren't 21. I remember each being paid $50 for getting involved.

I don't recall the exact promo (if it was free play or whatever) but what it did was get players in the door to play, and that's exactly what they did. What the casino knew that everyone else knew and knows, is that even when players claim they'll stop at a certain point, ap's aren't programmed to do that and as a result, the vast majority of sign-ups did what just about every gambler who comes down the pike does--they play on and lose. The $600 cut into the margin % so in that regard it wasn't successful, but it did make money. The thing that killed it though were the lines and the manipulations.

More Singer myths. 95% of the homeless have I.D's. Would anyone really go to the trouble of making a false ID for those that don't? And if you want to see a casino turn into a ghost town watch what happens when a good promotion ends or is cancelled. You could shoot a shotgun down the middle of the place and not hit anyone.

More of the same mickey. All you ever do is find a post by some forlorn AP from years ago and then post it as if it were your own. You have no clue what the recruiters did, and I saw some of the fake ID's given to the homeless because they started confiscating them. So unless there was a rush to apply to UNLV by 50-year olds, you're talking out of your ass again.

Can you prove you ever deposited 640K at Westin?

[Alan Mendelson]

Mickeycrimm this photo of the judgment shows ZERO dollars as the judgment amount. Now I'm not a lawyer but what's so significant about a judgment for zero dollars?

[Alan Mendelson]

Thanks monet for pointing out that you had to front $300 cash to get $600 free play. That's not what I thought this promo was. I thought you signed up for a card and got $600.

What you describe is very different. Yes you have a chance to profit nicely but I think you'd have to hope to break even.

[mickeycrimm]

Mickeycrimm this photo of the judgment shows ZERO dollars as the judgment amount. Now I'm not a lawyer but what's so significant about a judgment for zero dollars?

I just put up what it showed. I didn't draw any conclusions. Did you? Was the charge made out of thin air?

[mickeycrimm]

Thanks monet for pointing out that you had to front $300 cash to get $600 free play. That's not what I thought this promo was. I thought you signed up for a card and got $600.

What you describe is very different. Yes you have a chance to profit nicely but I think you'd have to hope to break even.

You would have to run extremely bad to break even. Get a clue.

[Alan Mendelson]

Thanks monet for pointing out that you had to front $300 cash to get $600 free play. That's not what I thought this promo was. I thought you signed up for a card and got $600.

What you describe is very different. Yes you have a chance to profit nicely but I think you'd have to hope to break even.

You would have to run extremely bad to break even. Get a clue.

Actually it depends on how you play it. Do you run it through once at a boring 99% game or do you play a higher payoff game thinking it's the house's money so gsmble, or do you keep playing hoping for a big win till its ground down to nothing?

Here's a killer question for you mickeycrimm: do you use the $600 of free play with a win goal and a loss limit? LOL

By the way, did you steal "get a clue" from Rob?

[Alan Mendelson]

Mickeycrimm this photo of the judgment shows ZERO dollars as the judgment amount. Now I'm not a lawyer but what's so significant about a judgment for zero dollars?

I just put up what it showed. I didn't draw any conclusions. Did you? Was the charge made out of thin air?

If someone obtained a judgment against me for zero dollars there's nothing I would do or could do, is there? Do I send them a check for zero dollars to satisfy the judgment?

[mickeycrimm]

Thanks monet for pointing out that you had to front $300 cash to get $600 free play. That's not what I thought this promo was. I thought you signed up for a card and got $600. What you describe is very different. Yes you have a chance to profit nicely but I think you'd have to hope to break even.

Take a look at the stats for 9/6 Jacks. You will see that 70% of the payback is in hitting just high pairs, two pairs and three of a kinds. It's at 90% payback hitting nothing higher than a full house. The cost of buying the freeplay is just 50%. You will absolutely butcher a promotion like this if you can buy the freeplay.

[mickeycrimm]

Thanks monet for pointing out that you had to front $300 cash to get $600 free play. That's not what I thought this promo was. I thought you signed up for a card and got $600.

What you describe is very different. Yes you have a chance to profit nicely but I think you'd have to hope to break even.

You would have to run extremely bad to break even. Get a clue.

Actually it depends on how you play it. Do you run it through once at a boring 99% game or do you play a higher payoff game thinking it's the house's money so gsmble, or do you keep playing hoping for a big win till its ground down to nothing?

Here's a killer question for you mickeycrimm: do you use the $600 of free play with a win goal and a loss limit? LOL

By the way, did you steal "get a clue" from Rob?

Thinking it's the houses money is for ignorant gamblers like you. Once it's in my hands it's not the houses money. I would play low variance like 9/6 Jacks if it were available. My only goal would be to run the money though once. If time is not a concern I would play exactly 480 hands at quarters. And I've been saying "get a clue" since I was a kid.

[Alan Mendelson]

Thanks monet for pointing out that you had to front $300 cash to get $600 free play. That's not what I thought this promo was. I thought you signed up for a card and got $600. What you describe is very different. Yes you have a chance to profit nicely but I think you'd have to hope to break even.

Take a look at the stats for 9/6 Jacks. You will see that 70% of the payback is in hitting just high pairs, two pairs and three of a kinds. It's at 90% payback hitting nothing higher than a full house. The cost of buying the freeplay is just 50%. You will absolutely butcher a promotion like this if you can buy the freeplay.

Amazing. And now you understand how Rob can reach a win goal without quad aces.

[Rob.Singer]

Why argue about it? They made a little profit on it and their purpose was to get more players in the door because the place had anemic numbers. I wrote two columns about it based on eyewitness facts, mickey (and now monet) are obviously only guessing about what the results were, and likely all "AP's" would want it to have been their way.

Mickey you tell me: Fezzik and his HP pals were all over me with their lies and BS one by one on the Larry Grossman show....until, that is, on Tues. morning when the papers published my public challenge. In it was the location of the cash deposit (the name of the casino) and the name of the casino manager who agreed for a small fee, which I paid, to hold my escrow and that of Fezzik's etc. Suddenly the silence was deafening. Whether or not they called to verify I have no idea. But the casino mgr. did tell me he received over a hundred calls that day alone.

So you tell me mickey. It's entirely out of your league, but you would have called to verify in a nano-second had you not lost it all on AP play and moved to Montana to hide while collecting all sorts of welfare.

[mickeycrimm]

Why argue about it? They made a little profit on it and their purpose was to get more players in the door because the place had anemic numbers. I wrote two columns about it based on eyewitness facts, mickey (and now monet) are obviously only guessing about what the results were, and likely all "AP's" would want it to have been their way.

Mickey you tell me: Fezzik and his HP pals were all over me with their lies and BS one by one on the Larry Grossman show....until, that is, on Tues. morning when the papers published my public challenge. In it was the location of the cash deposit (the name of the casino) and the name of the casino manager who agreed for a small fee, which I paid, to hold my escrow and that of Fezzik's etc. Suddenly the silence was deafening. Whether or not they called to verify I have no idea. But the casino mgr. did tell me he received over a hundred calls that day alone.

So you tell me mickey. It's entirely out of your league, but you would have called to verify in a nano-second had you not lost it all on AP play and moved to Montana to hide while collecting all sorts of welfare.

And you hide in Emery, South Dakota buggering cows.

[Alan Mendelson]

And you see why I said 99% of this forum is a joke?

Meanwhile Dan Druff is posting his baseball picks.