The WoV Thread

[LarryS]

Mickeycrimm if you really received a book offer but can't write it yourself I will write it for you for a fee. I will spend a week in Montana for the interviews. All you need to do is show me the contract from the publisher.

there are "vanity" press type publishers that will convince you that a book about your pet hamster would be worhtwhile and a great idea. You write it and you pay them to publish it . Its a sales con job that self important people love to fall for.

60 minutes did a feature on this 20-30 years ago showing a woman paid thousands to have a book about her pet cat "published".

What kind of market is there for unknown gamblers who write about their travels over the years.

I read a book like that by Doyle Brunson....but part of the interest in buying and reading the book of his little short stories was that it was coming from a famous poker player. I would have had no interest inreading about a poker player who currently is just making ends meet and his stories over the last 40 years. That person is meaningless to me.

However that person would not be "meaningless" to a salesman selling vanity press deals. That person is exactly the type ofperson the salesperson is looking for.....that person...and of course the 90 year old lady who loves her kitty.

[Keystone]

Mickeycrimm if you really received a book offer but can't write it yourself I will write it for you for a fee. I will spend a week in Montana for the interviews. All you need to do is show me the contract from the publisher.

MC, I wouldn`t let this guy ghost write anything for me, unless you want it to be labeled a "FICTION" novel....see #5



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[Bill Yung]

Alan would have to pay MC to write the book for him. Nobody is tighter than MC, drinking or otherwise.

[mickeycrimm]

Mickeycrimm if you really received a book offer but can't write it yourself I will write it for you for a fee. I will spend a week in Montana for the interviews. All you need to do is show me the contract from the publisher.

MC, I wouldn`t let this guy ghost write anything for me, unless you want it to be labeled a "FICTION" novel.....

I think Alan is just jerking my chain. I've had better offers from ghost writers. This whole thing about writing a book got started by people on vpFREE requesting that I write one on my experiences in gambling. Dancer told me he would help me get published, I think through Huntington Press because that's who his publisher has been. On both my interviews on GWAE he brought up the subject asking me if I was interested. I made excuses. Henry Tamburin once asked me to write a monthly column on machine advantage play for his blackjack rag. I turned him down.

I'm to busy doing it to write about it. I don't think there would be that much money in it for me anyway. It's to much of a niche market.

[Rob.Singer]

Mickeycrimm if you really received a book offer but can't write it yourself I will write it for you for a fee. I will spend a week in Montana for the interviews. All you need to do is show me the contract from the publisher.

MC, I wouldn`t let this guy ghost write anything for me, unless you want it to be labeled a "FICTION" novel.....

I think Alan is just jerking my chain. I've had better offers from ghost writers. This whole thing about writing a book got started by people on vpFREE requesting that I write one on my experiences in gambling. Dancer told me he would help me get published, I think through Huntington Press because that's who his publisher has been. On both my interviews on GWAE he brought up the subject asking me if I was interested. I made excuses. Henry Tamburin once asked me to write a monthly column on machine advantage play for his blackjack rag. I turned him down.

I'm to busy doing it to write about it. I don't think there would be that much money in it for me anyway. It's to much of a niche market.

This is truly funny. Dancer etc. and even the gullibles on vpfree are punking you, only you're too stupid to realize what's going on so you spin it to make yourself feel as if you have any worth in life. I mean, Really---how many people would care to read about a hobo who has now graduated into living out of a $4500 car in Indian casino parking lots! ROTFLMFAO!!!

Why don't you throw up a copy of that publishing contract you were offered mickey! What a gas THAT would be!!

[redietz]

MC, I wouldn`t let this guy ghost write anything for me, unless you want it to be labeled a "FICTION" novel.....

I think Alan is just jerking my chain. I've had better offers from ghost writers. This whole thing about writing a book got started by people on vpFREE requesting that I write one on my experiences in gambling. Dancer told me he would help me get published, I think through Huntington Press because that's who his publisher has been. On both my interviews on GWAE he brought up the subject asking me if I was interested. I made excuses. Henry Tamburin once asked me to write a monthly column on machine advantage play for his blackjack rag. I turned him down.

I'm to busy doing it to write about it. I don't think there would be that much money in it for me anyway. It's to much of a niche market.

This is truly funny. Dancer etc. and even the gullibles on vpfree are punking you, only you're too stupid to realize what's going on so you spin it to make yourself feel as if you have any worth in life. I mean, Really---how many people would care to read about a hobo who has now graduated into living out of a $4500 car in Indian casino parking lots! ROTFLMFAO!!!

Why don't you throw up a copy of that publishing contract you were offered mickey! What a gas THAT would be!!

Speaking of publishing contracts....(I'll let someone else take it from here).

[redietz]

Ahem. This may be one of those rare moments when Argentino is too modest to "throw up a copy of that publishing contract" when that contract is his own. I applaud his modesty.

[Bill Yung]

I get the feeling that the known persons are more anonymous than even the anonymous persons are known on the internet forums.

[AxelWolf]

I was talking to AC one night a few years back and he suggested I write a book. I said, "I would never want to do that and educate other people and the casinos." I also said, " It would hurt former people I worked with and people I work with now." I followed it up with I'm a terrible writer anyways. He said, well you have to be a good writer for sure. I asked him if people used ghostwriters? he balked at that. I didn't ask him why or get into it anymore.

If anyone is truly interested I could find out more.

[redietz]

I was talking to AC one night a few years back and he suggested I write a book. I said, "I would never want to do that and educate other people and the casinos." I also said, " It would hurt former people I worked with and people I work with now." I followed it up with I'm a terrible writer anyways. He said, well you have to be a good writer for sure. I asked him if people used ghostwriters? he balked at that. I didn't ask him why or get into it anymore.

If anyone is truly interested I could find out more.

Axel,

A long time ago in a universe far, far away, the Allen and Yarnow Literary Agency approached me about doing a book. Their interest was sparked by an essay I wrote, "Scientists, Gamblers, and Magicians," that was published in The Humanist. I did the whole outline and sample chapter thing. I was young, and didn't want to do a "How to Screw Your Opposition" angle and tone to the book, so the project died after I wrote a couple of chapters that they liked. I regret my attitude and decision greatly now. Anyway, ghost writers are only for the truly famous, pretty much.

If anyone ever needs basic grunt editing, I could take a first look at things gratis. If anyone needs truly good editing (for a hefty fee), I could probably track down my previous girlfriend, who is currently an editor at Penn State.

Unless you're famous, nobody's going to want to have a ghost writer do things. LarryS brought up the whole vanity press angle. What LarryS said was true as of 25 years ago, but publishing yourself (or using a vanity press) doesn't really have the stigma now that it did last century. Unless you're doing famous bios or are one of the two dozen popular fiction writers killing it, nobody makes much money writing anyway in terms of book publishing. With the tech and publicity online angles available in 2018, I'm not sure anyone needs to go vanity now. If you can't attract a publisher quickly, you just publish it yourself and see what happens.

Scientists have been self-publishing monographs for centuries. Blogs are really just a form of self-publishing.

Huntington Press is top notch for a small press, in my opinion. Mickey wouldn't make much money (at all) doing a book for them, but the book would be a legacy and would exist forever. Probably worth doing. And Huntington has excellent editors.

[Bill Yung]

Huntington Press is top notch for a small press, in my opinion. Mickey wouldn't make much money (at all) doing a book for them, but the book would be a legacy and would exist forever. Probably worth doing. And Huntington has excellent editors.

Ever walk by a nursing home, and cut through the back, and see the dumpsters full of stuff the day that someone dies? No, I'm not a dumpster diver, but I have been know to take a lot of long walks. How do you think it got there?

Note to all the burgeoning "AP's".

[monet]

I thought the New Nazi Regime (aka Millennials) burned all the books and refuse to read any books that survived. They are all too busy texting and skyping or whatever else they do like hastaging or talking to Siri. Now you guys want to write books. Idiots !! Who buys anything anymore like books, music or movies?? Everything is free on the internet if you know how to look and download. If I can do it... anyone can because I am just plain dumb.

This is some stupid thinking. You are smart enough to AP but not smart enough to write a book about it so you have to contact AxelWolf to find you a Ghost Writer... F---ing dumbest thing I ever read on these forums.

Sounds like a WoN scam to me. If you fall for this you should contact WoN to buy some players cards.

[LarryS]

I was talking to AC one night a few years back and he suggested I write a book. I said, "I would never want to do that and educate other people and the casinos." I also said, " It would hurt former people I worked with and people I work with now." I followed it up with I'm a terrible writer anyways. He said, well you have to be a good writer for sure. I asked him if people used ghostwriters? he balked at that. I didn't ask him why or get into it anymore.

If anyone is truly interested I could find out more.

Axel,

A long time ago in a universe far, far away, the Allen and Yarnow Literary Agency approached me about doing a book. Their interest was sparked by an essay I wrote, "Scientists, Gamblers, and Magicians," that was published in The Humanist. I did the whole outline and sample chapter thing. I was young, and didn't want to do a "How to Screw Your Opposition" angle and tone to the book, so the project died after I wrote a couple of chapters that they liked. I regret my attitude and decision greatly now. Anyway, ghost writers are only for the truly famous, pretty much.

If anyone ever needs basic grunt editing, I could take a first look at things gratis. If anyone needs truly good editing (for a hefty fee), I could probably track down my previous girlfriend, who is currently an editor at Penn State.

Unless you're famous, nobody's going to want to have a ghost writer do things. LarryS brought up the whole vanity press angle. What LarryS said was true as of 25 years ago, but publishing yourself (or using a vanity press) doesn't really have the stigma now that it did last century. Unless you're doing famous bios or are one of the two dozen popular fiction writers killing it, nobody makes much money writing anyway in terms of book publishing. With the tech and publicity online angles available in 2018, I'm not sure anyone needs to go vanity now. If you can't attract a publisher quickly, you just publish it yourself and see what happens.

Scientists have been self-publishing monographs for centuries. Blogs are really just a form of self-publishing.

Huntington Press is top notch for a small press, in my opinion. Mickey wouldn't make much money (at all) doing a book for them, but the book would be a legacy and would exist forever. Probably worth doing. And Huntington has excellent editors.

publishing a book yourself is the same as vanity publishing. You still have to pay someone to publish it...to print it. Its as much a road to immortality as someone who decides to make their own movie that is seen by nobody.
Its amazing, in this small sample of people there are 3 folks that shudda woulda coulda had a book published. And the question remains....who would buy it. Who would buy a book about the life of unknowns or the systems of an unknown. You can film a movie and pay for it to be put on DVD.......and it sits in your garage for a lifetime. And when you are dead, it doesnt make you immortal..it doesnt make you live forever...all it does is get picked up by waste management and dumped in a landfill along with all the other self published shit.

Self publishing and vanity publishing is one in the same. And although there was or is a real "vanity press"....the term is more broad ranging describing these people as "vane". Today as before.. vanity publishing is a dead end, its unprofitable, and its a testament to the "vanity" of the authors.

Its the proverbial one in a million that rise out of the ashes of financial loss. Its for the old lady that actually feels the world wants to read about her cat. Or the old gambler who thinks his life is of interest to masses of people.

Before spending money on a poorly made book.......start a blog somewhere and write pages about your life and see what type of responses you get. I am not talking about 2 paragraphs on a message board. I am saying a few pages worth on a blog that no one can derail. See how the masses via word of mouth flock to your amazing story. And if they do...then you have a reason to go forward.
Its going to cost you 1000 before you even print the book. For the software to write a book, to the editor that will cost about 400-600...to the cover designer which will be around 300 minimum. And then you can start to find out how much it will cost to physically print the book. There is usually a minimum you would have to order.

Everyone tells everyone else that they should write a book. People told my dad he should write a book because of his experience i nazi germany, when I am at a gathering and I tell some of the stories that I experienced in 40 years as a pharmacist...people say the same thing..you should write a book......people on the patrick website tell him he should write a book about his experiences when he talks about all the cons he used to run. When people tell interesting stories about their life, thats all you hear..."you should write a book".

NEWSFLASH.......................Its a fucking expression. No one is buying that book. And if that book is published its not going to help your existence in this world live forever...... you have a better chance of going to the "star registery" and naming a star after yourself as it sits in the book of star names for all eternity. What a leap toward immortality.

[mickeycrimm]

I was talking to AC one night a few years back and he suggested I write a book. I said, "I would never want to do that and educate other people and the casinos." I also said, " It would hurt former people I worked with and people I work with now." I followed it up with I'm a terrible writer anyways. He said, well you have to be a good writer for sure. I asked him if people used ghostwriters? he balked at that. I didn't ask him why or get into it anymore.

If anyone is truly interested I could find out more.

Axel,

A long time ago in a universe far, far away, the Allen and Yarnow Literary Agency approached me about doing a book. Their interest was sparked by an essay I wrote, "Scientists, Gamblers, and Magicians," that was published in The Humanist. I did the whole outline and sample chapter thing. I was young, and didn't want to do a "How to Screw Your Opposition" angle and tone to the book, so the project died after I wrote a couple of chapters that they liked. I regret my attitude and decision greatly now. Anyway, ghost writers are only for the truly famous, pretty much.

If anyone ever needs basic grunt editing, I could take a first look at things gratis. If anyone needs truly good editing (for a hefty fee), I could probably track down my previous girlfriend, who is currently an editor at Penn State.

Unless you're famous, nobody's going to want to have a ghost writer do things. LarryS brought up the whole vanity press angle. What LarryS said was true as of 25 years ago, but publishing yourself (or using a vanity press) doesn't really have the stigma now that it did last century. Unless you're doing famous bios or are one of the two dozen popular fiction writers killing it, nobody makes much money writing anyway in terms of book publishing. With the tech and publicity online angles available in 2018, I'm not sure anyone needs to go vanity now. If you can't attract a publisher quickly, you just publish it yourself and see what happens.

Scientists have been self-publishing monographs for centuries. Blogs are really just a form of self-publishing.

Huntington Press is top notch for a small press, in my opinion. Mickey wouldn't make much money (at all) doing a book for them, but the book would be a legacy and would exist forever. Probably worth doing. And Huntington has excellent editors.

publishing a book yourself is the same as vanity publishing. You still have to pay someone to publish it...to print it. Its as much a road to immortality as someone who decides to make their own movie that is seen by nobody.
Its amazing, in this small sample of people there are 3 folks that shudda woulda coulda had a book published. And the question remains....who would buy it. Who would buy a book about the life of unknowns or the systems of an unknown. You can film a movie and pay for it to be put on DVD.......and it sits in your garage for a lifetime. And when you are dead, it doesnt make you immortal..it doesnt make you live forever...all it does is get picked up by waste management and dumped in a landfill along with all the other self published shit.

Self publishing and vanity publishing is one in the same. And although there was or is a real "vanity press"....the term is more broad ranging describing these people as "vane". Today as before.. vanity publishing is a dead end, its unprofitable, and its a testament to the "vanity" of the authors.

Its the proverbial one in a million that rise out of the ashes of financial loss. Its for the old lady that actually feels the world wants to read about her cat. Or the old gambler who thinks his life is of interest to masses of people.

Before spending money on a poorly made book.......start a blog somewhere and write pages about your life and see what type of responses you get. I am not talking about 2 paragraphs on a message board. I am saying a few pages worth on a blog that no one can derail. See how the masses via word of mouth flock to your amazing story. And if they do...then you have a reason to go forward.
Its going to cost you 1000 before you even print the book. For the software to write a book, to the editor that will cost about 400-600...to the cover designer which will be around 300 minimum. And then you can start to find out how much it will cost to physically print the book. There is usually a minimum you would have to order.

Everyone tells everyone else that they should write a book. People told my dad he should write a book because of his experience i nazi germany, when I am at a gathering and I tell some of the stories that I experienced in 40 years as a pharmacist...people say the same thing..you should write a book......people on the patrick website tell him he should write a book about his experiences when he talks about all the cons he used to run. When people tell interesting stories about their life, thats all you hear..."you should write a book".

NEWSFLASH.......................Its a fucking expression. No one is buying that book. And if that book is published its not going to help your existence in this world live forever...... you have a better chance of going to the "star registery" and naming a star after yourself as it sits in the book of star names for all eternity. What a leap toward immortality.

"Can't never did do a damn thing."
Uncle Herman

"Old Man 'Can't' is dead. I helped bury him."
Justice Clarence Thomas' uncle

[redietz]

LOL -- LarryS, don't you see the paradoxical nature of what you just posted? No? Really???

I would like to point out that the words from the anonymous LarryS on the printed page of these forums will exist in perpetuity. They are a form of self publishing. No doubt about it.

Of course, the frightening thing, is that a generation or so down the road, anyone combing archives will be able to apply forensics and put a real name and existence to the currently anonymous banter.

Now, do I really need to underline the absurdness of someone who is an impressively high volume self-publisher on this and many other forums denigrating people who self-publish by shelling out a couple of hundred dollars? Time is money, as they say, and LarryS's investments in self-publishing on this and other forums represent an impressive investment.

Self publishing, after all, isn't defined by spending or making money. It's defined by self-publishing. And that is exactly what LarryS is doing here and elsewhere.

I don't know about leaps toward immortality, but I'm sure generations to come will be impressed by LarryS's certainty of opinion. Even his certainty of opinion that his own self publishing is an incredible waste.

[mickeycrimm]

My idea of self-publishing is just go with an e-book. Once it is made there is no more cost like printing, shipping, etc. Amazon takes about two thirds of the price for you to put it up for sale on their site. I think volume of sales would be a function of how much publicity for the book one could garner on the internet.

One of the reasons I've turned down the offers is I don't want to give up control of what I write. I don't want to turn it over to someone else like a publisher. I don't think there would be that much money in it so why turn it over to someone else? I've looked into two self-publishers, Author House and Outskirts Press. I think I can get an ebook done for less than $2000. Even if I don't sell even one single copy I wouldn't be out that much money.

[redietz]

My idea of self-publishing is just go with an e-book. Once it is made there is no more cost like printing, shipping, etc. Amazon takes about two thirds of the price for you to put it up for sale on their site. I think volume of sales would be a function of how much publicity for the book one could garner on the internet.

One of the reasons I've turned down the offers is I don't want to give up control of what I write. I don't want to turn it over to someone else like a publisher. I don't think there would be that much money in it so why turn it over to someone else? I've looked into two self-publishers, Author House and Outskirts Press. I think I can get an ebook done for less than $2000. Even if I don't sell even one single copy I wouldn't be out that much money.

Exactly. And your story is more compelling than most, so there's always a chance it would be picked up as a supplemental text for probability courses or as an independent film bio or even a documentary.

[MisterV]

Not to denigrate his efforts at AP slot play, but I cannot envision a way to make what he does interesting to viewers.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but watching someone hit "Play" over and over would be no more compelling than watching paint dry.

A few wannabe AP's would enjoy it as might a few degenerate ploppies, but I suspect Ma and Pa Kettle would quickly hit the "Eject" button on their player.

[Bill Yung]

Exactly. And your story is more compelling than most, so there's always a chance it would be picked up as a supplemental text for probability courses or as an independent film bio or even a documentary.

How about the layman's guide to profanity and other filth? He would do better to make everything up about someone else.

[mickeycrimm]

Not to denigrate his efforts at AP slot play, but I cannot envision a way to make what he does interesting to viewers.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but watching someone hit "Play" over and over would be no more compelling than watching paint dry.

A few wannabe AP's would enjoy it as might a few degenerate ploppies, but I suspect Ma and Pa Kettle would quickly hit the "Eject" button on their player.

When I first started in the forums 13 years ago i realized I was dealing with highly educated people with professional careers. What was I supposed to tell them about my background, that of a high school drop out homeless drifter? I made the conscience decision that I wasn't going to lie to them about my background. I couldn't live with lying about it. I didn't want to be a phony. What these people found out about me was you are going to be highly pressed to find someone else with the comprehensive knowledge I have of advantage machine play. My knowledge runs the gamut, video poker, video line games, video keno, video blackjack. Mission146 once called me a walking encyclopedia on exploitable machine games.

They all knew my background too. It became a human interest story. How does a degenerate alcoholic train riding thumb bumming day laborer hobo transition from that into a highly knowledge machine pro. How did he go from rags to riches. That's the story they all wanted.

People were clamoring for a picture of me but I went 12 years before I would put a picture of myself up on the internet. The very first one I put up was a joke. I was in the bar one night in early december, there was a raging blizzard going on outside so the bar was empty that night, except for me. I told Kelly the bartender I wanted her to take my picture passed out on the bar with a bottle of whiskey in front of me.

The next day I put the picture on imgur and went on vpFREE and told them "so you want to see a picture of me, eh? Well, here's one of me and my friends drinking and having fun at the bar." I put up the link to imgur. By the next day the pic had over 1600 views. Here's the pic I put up. And Larry, you can also see that I am not fat.