The WoV Thread

[Bill Yung]

Here we go again, he's segueing into the beginning of his book. The book he keeps starting to start, but never really starts. Predictable people play predictable games.

[AxelWolf]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but watching someone hit "Play" over and over would be no more compelling than watching paint dry.

I have to agree, no one wants to read about the reels spinning.

I think there's more interest in the stories along the way. For example, All the unlawfull back roomings and 86ings, threats from security and even the customers, lawsuits, calls to gaming, the really good/interesting promos(even a few in strip clubs), good games(show the math), the messed up machines situations, the angles/moves used to outsmart the casinos and competition(take a seemingly nothing promo and turn it into a good one), the interesting characters and other AP's you meet along the way (I have even had a few physical altercations with hustlers, I have had hustlers try to blackmail me to get on plays), making deals with other AP's, the times you got screwed big time, the times you hit home runs. Problems with people working for you, dating casino employs, working with a few sexy girls from time to time. I could go on and on, theres been lots of crazy shit over the years, but you get the point.
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[Rob.Singer]

What we really have here is a portrait of the real mickey, aka Aqualung, that for some sick reason he feels that it will impress the masses. Yeah it might invite spoken accolades from the likes of the anonymous redietz and a few others who have no life but here. But in the real world people of normal means and beyond look at him and see him for exactly what he is--which is the poor, wretched, two-bit bum with no family or relationships that he's been his entire life.

And did you catch the part about his "rags to riches" nonsense? Exactly how is living out of a beater in obscure casino parking lots using an EBT card every month, got anything at all to do with "riches"? Yet to a rock-bottom bum like him, it doesn't take much for him to feel he's making people jealous by flashing twenties.

Still waiting for one of those "publishing contracts" to show up from "imgur" mickey! Oh that's right....as soon as you saw that challenge from Alan it changed into "I think I'll write an e-book"
Breakfast of AP's.

[redietz]

What we really have here is a portrait of the real mickey, aka Aqualung, that for some sick reason he feels that it will impress the masses. Yeah it might invite spoken accolades from the likes of the anonymous redietz and a few others who have no life but here. But in the real world people of normal means and beyond look at him and see him for exactly what he is--which is the poor, wretched, two-bit bum with no family or relationships that he's been his entire life.

And did you catch the part about his "rags to riches" nonsense? Exactly how is living out of a beater in obscure casino parking lots using an EBT card every month, got anything at all to do with "riches"? Yet to a rock-bottom bum like him, it doesn't take much for him to feel he's making people jealous by flashing twenties.

Still waiting for one of those "publishing contracts" to show up from "imgur" mickey! Oh that's right....as soon as you saw that challenge from Alan it changed into "I think I'll write an e-book"
Breakfast of AP's.

Speaking of publishing contracts, I'm surprised we haven't seen a certain somebody's.

[mickeycrimm]

Rob, how have the over night parking at rhe Walmarts been on your trip back east?

Everyone knows your schtick. Shit on everything Mr. malignant narcissist.

[mickeycrimm]

Here we go again, he's segueing into the beginning of his book. The book he keeps starting to start, but never really starts. Predictable people play predictable games.

Mr. Dung, you are a very predictable idiot. When you ASSUME things you don't know anything about you make a total embecile of yourself. I have several chapters written both in 1st person and 3rd person. Have for quite awhile. Predictable people like you play predictable games.

[Bill Yung]

No second-person self? I agree with Lars, the last comment in the article at https://www.quora.com/Do-you-think-y...-in-your-head# .

It seems the best way to keep moving forward. Most of the other comments seem to be from people (who want to be) alone.

[mickeycrimm]

No second-person self? I agree with Lars, the last comment in the article at https://www.quora.com/Do-you-think-y...-in-your-head# .

It seems the best way to keep moving forward. Most of the other comments seem to be from people (who want to be) alone.

You still dont get it dumb ass. I have stories written about fictional gamblers, their trials and tribulations, their thought processes on gambling, etc. They are told in the 3rd person just like novels.

[Alan Mendelson]

LarryS made a very good point. The statement "you should write a book" has become trivial. Everyone says it to someone at one time or another. It's been said to me. But you must ask "who would buy it?"

Mickeycrimm the way you were talking I thought some publisher offered you a contract with a $100,000 advance. But now I know better.

Besides,who would want to read your story? What compelling knowledge could you share? What heroic event are you responsible for?

Did you kill Osama bin Laden like the Navy Seal? Did you start a mutual fund empire like Peter Lynch?

Did you break the casinos yet?

[mickeycrimm]

As I've said before, Alan, "can't" never did do a damn thing. The more you try to discourage me the more I want to do it.

[redietz]

The number of people getting 100K publishers' advances any given year number in the low dozens, so nobody would go into writing a book expecting anything like that. If you look at the fiction aisles, anybody outside the top 20 is lucky to make 50K any given year. So writing a book isn't about getting 100K advances or making money in general. It's about getting your story out and making some kind of contribution to a potential readership. But Mr. Mendelson knows that as well as anyone.

Nobody actually knows whose writings will catch on and be viewed favorably in the future. Mickey crimm's tale has interesting elements. On one hand, he's experienced the tough, low end of a capitalist economy and found a niche in which to modestly thrive. On the other hand, he has never really abandoned the whole independent capitalist enterprise. He's an anti-hero who isn't quite as anti as he may at first appear. Lots of interesting themes to explore. How can an uneducated bum, to use some folks' terms, come to understand probability way better than the average American? This is one of those inner city school becomes chess champion kind of themes.

[Alan Mendelson]

At Commerce Casino (the biggest poker casino in the world) famous poker players frequently show up on their book tours, sit at a table in the main poker room, and hope for a sale. They actually end up sharing bad beat stories. Do gamblers buy books? Nah.

[Bill Yung]

No second-person self? I agree with Lars, the last comment in the article at https://www.quora.com/Do-you-think-y...-in-your-head# .

It seems the best way to keep moving forward. Most of the other comments seem to be from people (who want to be) alone.

You still dont get it dumb ass. I have stories written about fictional gamblers, their trials and tribulations, their thought processes on gambling, etc. They are told in the 3rd person just like novels.

This is such a stretch that I wonder that it would be better were you drinking. Then, there would be a chance that you could sober up.

Writing about what you know, in a "vicarious" manner through fictional characters. A different sort of third-person self-reference. But then, you likely still tell yourself stuff like, no, I wouldn't say or do it quite that way (you had better rewrite it again, Mickey.)

In any event, I half-heartedly suggested, a couple of posts ago, that you might be better to make up everything about someone else. They call that (real) fiction. And I do recall, a few years ago, that you wrote something about you being one of the Freemont St. Raiders, or something like that. Now, it seems more a blur, and that we can't say for sure who is who, and what is what. Is all that stuff a blur to you, too, along with all the drinking?

[mickeycrimm]

No second-person self? I agree with Lars, the last comment in the article at https://www.quora.com/Do-you-think-y...-in-your-head# .

It seems the best way to keep moving forward. Most of the other comments seem to be from people (who want to be) alone.

You still dont get it dumb ass. I have stories written about fictional gamblers, their trials and tribulations, their thought processes on gambling, etc. They are told in the 3rd person just like novels.

This is such a stretch that I wonder that it would be better were you drinking. Then, there would be a chance that you could sober up.

Writing about what you know, in a "vicarious" manner through fictional characters. A different sort of third-person self-reference. But then, you likely still tell yourself stuff like, no, I wouldn't say or do it quite that way (you had better rewrite it again, Mickey.)

In any event, I half-heartedly suggested, a couple of posts ago, that you might be better to make up everything about someone else. They call that (real) fiction. And I do recall, a few years ago, that you wrote something about you being one of the Freemont St. Raiders, or something like that. Now, it seems more a blur, and that we can't say for sure who is who, and what is what. Is all that stuff a blur to you, too, along with all the drinking?

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...T1dx0F0bCMMKY4

[mickeycrimm]

And did you catch the part about his "rags to riches" nonsense? Exactly how is living out of a beater in obscure casino parking lots using an EBT card every month, got anything at all to do with "riches"? .

Rob, you're blowing it, dude. You make up stupid lies about me that can be easily disproved. This is what my hotel bill looked like for April, moron:

[LarryS]

LOL -- LarryS, don't you see the paradoxical nature of what you just posted? No? Really???

I would like to point out that the words from the anonymous LarryS on the printed page of these forums will exist in perpetuity. They are a form of self publishing. No doubt about it.

Of course, the frightening thing, is that a generation or so down the road, anyone combing archives will be able to apply forensics and put a real name and existence to the currently anonymous banter.

Now, do I really need to underline the absurdness of someone who is an impressively high volume self-publisher on this and many other forums denigrating people who self-publish by shelling out a couple of hundred dollars? Time is money, as they say, and LarryS's investments in self-publishing on this and other forums represent an impressive investment.

Self publishing, after all, isn't defined by spending or making money. It's defined by self-publishing. And that is exactly what LarryS is doing here and elsewhere.

I don't know about leaps toward immortality, but I'm sure generations to come will be impressed by LarryS's certainty of opinion. Even his certainty of opinion that his own self publishing is an incredible waste.

redietz is one of the poor souls of the world that declares they are a "professional" gambler, sportspicker, house sitter, walmar cashier. Yes indeed he is a professional. And he can also crow according to his view of the world that he is also "publsihed..because he fucking posts on message boards.

what a life. A crack addict that plays craps in the dark alleys of the inner city USA who also once posted on a website 10 years ago can call himself a published professional. Because after all gamblers can declare themselves a professional, and anyone who has ever posted on a website can call themselves a published author.

This is the world redietz and his ilk live in.

Welcome to his world

yes LarryS is a published author, with thousands of publications.........

not only is he one of the sad sacks that claim he coulda woulda shoulda had a book published, but he is going to live forever as people in the next generations read his posts 50 years later, 100 years later as his name will be immortilized. How sad is that thought. Its like 100 years after his death there will be a wikipedia spread on him.

what a self absorbed world the "professional gamblers" live in. they are all "professionals" and "published"......what an erudite group

[LarryS]

At Commerce Casino (the biggest poker casino in the world) famous poker players frequently show up on their book tours, sit at a table in the main poker room, and hope for a sale. They actually end up sharing bad beat stories. Do gamblers buy books? Nah.

yeah, gambler buy book about people that matter in the gambling world.

They biy books about famous people as you put it,

But a book by dickweed johnson.......no one care about. There are plenty books about famous people that I am interested in that I didnt read....why would I buy a book and invest time and money in the life of dickweed johnson

[LarryS]

Not to denigrate his efforts at AP slot play, but I cannot envision a way to make what he does interesting to viewers.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but watching someone hit "Play" over and over would be no more compelling than watching paint dry.

A few wannabe AP's would enjoy it as might a few degenerate ploppies, but I suspect Ma and Pa Kettle would quickly hit the "Eject" button on their player.

When I first started in the forums 13 years ago i realized I was dealing with highly educated people with professional careers. What was I supposed to tell them about my background, that of a high school drop out homeless drifter? I made the conscience decision that I wasn't going to lie to them about my background. I couldn't live with lying about it. I didn't want to be a phony. What these people found out about me was you are going to be highly pressed to find someone else with the comprehensive knowledge I have of advantage machine play. My knowledge runs the gamut, video poker, video line games, video keno, video blackjack. Mission146 once called me a walking encyclopedia on exploitable machine games.

They all knew my background too. It became a human interest story. How does a degenerate alcoholic train riding thumb bumming day laborer hobo transition from that into a highly knowledge machine pro. How did he go from rags to riches. That's the story they all wanted.

People were clamoring for a picture of me but I went 12 years before I would put a picture of myself up on the internet. The very first one I put up was a joke. I was in the bar one night in early december, there was a raging blizzard going on outside so the bar was empty that night, except for me. I told Kelly the bartender I wanted her to take my picture passed out on the bar with a bottle of whiskey in front of me.

The next day I put the picture on imgur and went on vpFREE and told them "so you want to see a picture of me, eh? Well, here's one of me and my friends drinking and having fun at the bar." I put up the link to imgur. By the next day the pic had over 1600 views. Here's the pic I put up. And Larry, you can also see that I am not fat.

1600 views?

there is a guy on U tube that can suck his own dick....and he has over a million views.......maybe he should write a book also. And maybe he also can alos\\so call himself a "professional" and an author just like redietz.

[MisterV]

there is a guy on U tube that can suck his own dick.

I've heard of him; he's from Nantucket.

[Alan Mendelson]

This is really going to hurt mickeycrimm: each of the videos I did with Rob has more than 1600 views on YouTube and YouTube does not count the same person (IP address) more than once.