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  1. #161
    It has become what the mods and the remaining people want. The mods like to exert authority, and a majority of those that remain love to "watch" them exert their authority.
    Like kids in school loved to see other kids "get in trouble"
    ooooooo johnny got detention...and I didnt, I am so much better off than johnny....as I pat myself on the back. Thats what we have there now.

    Mods that treat members like shit, and members that stand on the side and cheer.applaud, and offer encouragement as they scramble to be the teachers pet. And mods get off on that type of ass kissing. Knowing people are walking on eggshells because of them.....or as some will say, modifying their normal behavior in deference to the grand executioners.
    Last edited by LarryS; 01-26-2018 at 12:47 PM.

  2. #162
    Originally Posted by LarryS View Post
    It has become what the mods and the remaining people want. The mods like to exert authority, and a majority of those that remain love to "watch" then exert their authority.
    Like kids in school loved to see other kids "get in trouble"
    ooooooo johnny got detention...and I didnt, I am so much better off than johnny....as I pat myself on the back. Thats what we have there now.

    Mods that treat members like shit, and members that stand on the side and cheer.applaud, and offer encouragement as they scramble to be the teachers pet. And mods get off on that type of ass kissing. Knowing people are walking on eggshells because of them.....or as some will say, modifying their normal behavior in deference to the grand executioners.
    I know but it was one of the premier gambling and AP related forums. That is what I signed up for and participated for. It's now freaking kiddieland. It is honestly hard to even watch. I am embarrassed FOR Shackleford. I really am. Not saying that to be mean.

  3. #163
    In the narrow group of threads you followed and participated in may have given you an unreasonable and sheltered view of the WOV world. Its always been like this.
    The mods didnt get mentally ill overnight.The mods didnt get a power obsession overnight. This is who they are. This behavior is ingrained in their psyche. This behavior is modeled by manboy and gladly mimicked by all but one mod. And it doesnt help that mission and BBB both have the psychological need to follow that example....to be bullies

  4. #164
    Originally Posted by LarryS View Post
    In the narrow group of threads you followed and participated in may have given you an unreasonable and sheltered view of the WOV world. Its always been like this.
    The mods didnt get mentally ill overnight.The mods didnt get a power obsession overnight. This is who they are. This behavior is ingrained in their psyche. This behavior is modeled by manboy and gladly mimicked by all but one mod. And it doesnt help that mission and BBB both have the psychological need to follow that example....to be bullies
    I agree with all that you have stated and that kewlJ brings up. I am not trying to take credit for it but it is clear after my incident that things got tighter over there. From my understanding members were calling for the head of one of the Mods who survived. It was clear that for some time all Mods including the Wiz agreed that they were very lax on the rules and were being biased towards members they liked personally or did not like. So the Wiz made a new mandate of how posts will be deleted from new members who were later found out that they were puppets. You don't have to go very far to see this new mandate has hardly been upheld. One thing is clear that members and mods were on one side of the fence to either ban me for life or for a certain amount of time. They made the just ruling and the Wiz came online to post how things got relaxed and all mods including himself were guilty. He professed after that to run a tighter ship and all Mods would have to run the ship tighter as well so it only seems natural that you are going to see some serious suspensions and a tighter pulling of the reins. Another thing that seems apparent is an uprising of members disagreeing with the way things are run and how members are getting life long bans quicker than before. On a last note after I joined here I noticed a few WoV members joining up. I don't know if my joining is the cause, I can only speculate that some members like to read what I type at times and I tend to give out some free information that can be helpful to the gambling community as a whole. I could be wrong about this though as well. Other members from WoV have been members on this site for a very long time. gordonm888 really seems to be pushing the issue. That being said I have to agree with a lot that he brings up. The Wiz should take all emotion out of it and just hand down the law. Why post insulting comments that will only cause backlash? I think that is something members can do but someone like the Wiz should be above that behavior.

    Edit: Also this thread is very generic. It is going to bang all around the place since it is a thread about any and all threads at WoV. That is going to be impossible to stay on topic. If you really do some research on the way the topics have been going you will see that I brought up a WoV thread that is called "Porn Slappers" and was critical about the Wiz telling members that some escort services are scams or overpriced. I found that to be interesting since in my mind it is hard to tell an individual that your body is only worth 100 dollars and that 200 dollars is a bad value or scam. Nobody really responded to that part of the post. What did happen is that LarryS responded to the comment I made about science and about how the Wiz doesn't believe in God but believes in Science which is what brought about the long back and forth. Seems reasonable to me since that is something the Wiz brought up long ago on another thread from WoV and on track with the topic but one might find it an offshoot topic and not pertaining to the original idea of MC and the WoV thread. A thread about multiple topics is going to be difficult to keep on a certain track.
    Last edited by monet; 01-26-2018 at 02:05 PM.

  5. #165
    You want credit for a few members of WoV, signing up here Monet? Your a bit full of yourself aren't you? Oh geez, I better be careful...them kind of words are worthy of a suspension at the TyrantofVegas site.

    I think some members of ToV, signing up here is a simple indication that there are a growing number of people that are unhappy with the direction that site has taken and are looking around for another reasonable alternative site, for discussion and to express thoughts and ideas. Here we are...welcome!

  6. #166
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    You want credit for a few members of WoV, signing up here Monet? Your a bit full of yourself aren't you? Oh geez, I better be careful...them kind of words are worthy of a suspension at the TyrantofVegas site.

    I think some members of ToV, signing up here is a simple indication that there are a growing number of people that are unhappy with the direction that site has taken and are looking around for another reasonable alternative site, for discussion and to express thoughts and ideas. Here we are...welcome!
    I stated that I could be wrong about that. You just want to throw some jabs and that's ok, I deserve them.

    Edit: So it seems the definition of being full of oneself is... very self-satisfied and with an exaggerated sense of self-worth.

    I come off like that? Have you not read anything I talk about? I certainly feel that I am the opposite of that but perhaps you meant my comment was one of being full of myself?

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    On a more serious note... look how easy it is to move this thread around to another topic since it is all about WoV and WoV threads...

    WoV Thread... Playing Baccarat as a small side job

    this is the post quoted from hyngchl1...

    Has anyone tried playing Baccarat as a small side job to supplement income? I play 5 days a week and I have found it to be very successful. People say "oh it can not be beaten" but with patience and self-control, it can be beaten. I start with a $3,000 bankroll and flat bet anywhere between $5-$10. I follow a flat betting strategy (no progression betting) and simply stop when I make $20 profit. I don't follow silly patterns. My bets are completely random and I just follow my intuition. When my gut tells me to sit out for a couple rounds, I sit out. Very simple. I follow this and make $100 a week (not a lot but money is money and it supplements my income. I have a full time job and do other side hustles as well

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    This guy beats the house edge consistently making an average of 100 per week with random bets and following intuition.
    Last edited by monet; 01-26-2018 at 02:16 PM.

  7. #167
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by LarryS View Post
    You are taking note of how your neighbors are treated and you now seethe issue with as far as uneven punishment is concerned is inherent in the fabric of the site. Because workers tend to follow the lead of the boss.....and the boss is leading the way in this behavior, and has accepted the copycat behavior of his mods as "business as usual". I am guessing theperson who was suspended was NOT one of the ass kissers. You know the people who after a suspensions feels the need to post that the mod did a wonderful job. Suspensions are often the times that others can use the punishment of others as a means to upgrade their stature in the minds of the controlling mods by giving their blessing. Its an opportunity to generate goodwill at the expense of the plight of others. But I doubt you will see many complaints about the suspension. As more and more have been suspended the voice of reason diminishes and the voice of complicity remains.
    The person (Nathan) is a troll, I believe. I am not up to date on the scorecard (maybe one of the WoV guys can fill us in), but I think Nathan is a sockpuppet of a banned member? Or maybe the sockpuppet of a sockpuppet of a banned member. A twice removed sockpuppet...if you will.

    But that doesn't even matter. They are now making up rules to specifically get rid of someone. Ya know....THAT sounds familiar.

    I have always had some respect for both Mission and Face, so it was really disappointing that it was Mission behaving just like BBB and Mike with the "power trip" thing. I mean really there is something seriously wrong with these people. Napoleon / Kim Jong Un complex I guess.
    At one time there was a rash of new members with names like Nathan, David, Keven, Ken etc that kept popping up who loved talking about slots and dumb stories ussuly involving people asking them for money or whatever. Their tone, demeanor and writing style were all the same. I thought at first it was someone younger. It makes more sense now that I know Nathan is a she. She was definitely going out of her way to make people think she was a male.

    I knew there would be a "new member" with a simple male name popping up as soon as Nathan got suspended.

    Sure enough, there was some guy that fit that profile who started a new thread introducing himself. I noticed that the new account was made early in the morning at about the same time that Nathan oftentimes makes posts.

  8. #168
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    At one time there was a rash of new members with names like Nathan, David, Keven, Ken etc that kept popping up who loved talking about slots and dumb stories ussuly involving people asking them for money or whatever. Their tone, demeanor and writing style were all the same. I thought at first it was someone younger. It makes more sense now that I know Nathan is a she. She was definitely going out of her way to make people think she was a male.

    I knew there would be a "new member" with a simple male name popping up as soon as Nathan got suspended.

    Sure enough, there was some guy that fit that profile who started a new thread introducing himself. I noticed that the new account was made early in the morning at about the same time that Nathan oftentimes makes posts.
    Who was the original member that was banned that you think is all these one 'simple male name' members?

    So your gripe is that you don't like this person's posts or topics? You find them boring. Is that the new threshold for banning? If that's the case, the ToV membership should be reduced significantly.

  9. #169
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    At one time there was a rash of new members with names like Nathan, David, Keven, Ken etc that kept popping up who loved talking about slots and dumb stories ussuly involving people asking them for money or whatever. Their tone, demeanor and writing style were all the same. I thought at first it was someone younger. It makes more sense now that I know Nathan is a she. She was definitely going out of her way to make people think she was a male.

    I knew there would be a "new member" with a simple male name popping up as soon as Nathan got suspended.

    Sure enough, there was some guy that fit that profile who started a new thread introducing himself. I noticed that the new account was made early in the morning at about the same time that Nathan oftentimes makes posts.
    Who was the original member that was banned that you think is all these one 'simple male name' members?

    So your gripe is that you don't like this person's posts or topics? You find them boring. Is that the new threshold for banning? If that's the case, the ToV membership should be reduced significantly.
    I don't remember anymore, perhaps it was Kentry. Making multiple accounts is nukeable, I'm almost certain she has done so.

    It goes way beyond just posting nonsense. Nathan for some reason wanted people to belive she was a man. She even lured someone into meeting up with her under the guise of being a man.

    It's just the overall collective shenanigans that makes her annoying.

    I don't like when I log on only to find new unread threads about out slots. It takes an extra second or so to see that it's just another annoying nonsense slot thread by the same person, saying the same thing.

    Whatever the case it doesn't really affect me, so I don't really care what happens to Nathan... stay blue, be red, go, stay, post don't post. I guess I don't care who is banned or not.

    ALL gambling forums could disappear and it would not bother me. There are benefits and disadvantages regarding the gambling forums. If not for the fact that I continue to meet some cool people from the forums, I rarely if ever visit them.

  10. #170
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    If not for the fact that I continue to meet some cool people from the forums, I rarely if ever visit them.
    Um....What? You have 13,000 posts at WoV and you are on here several times a day.

  11. #171
    Something got messed up deleted.
    Last edited by AxelWolf; 01-27-2018 at 03:23 AM.

  12. #172
    [QUOTE=AxelWolf;59872]
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    If not for the fact that I continue to meet some cool people from the forums, I rarely if ever visit them.
    Um....What? You have 13,000 posts at WoV and you are on here several times a day.
    Ya I know. I'm not sure how to explain it. Let's just say if everyone was like you (You rarely if ever, meet anyone IRL from the forums) I wouldn't stick around nor would have I stuck around in the first place. My participation has and does lead to RL friendships, RL AP partnerships, RL AP business, RL comradery and RL fun. I'm there for that, therefor I post(obviously more than I need to and should). Its a far better and more enjoyable experience since I have met so many members and know many of them personally. I guess its more real than just posting on a forum where i have never meet anyone.

    I'll Give you an example: Before I was on WOV I was on one of those forums for online gambling I think it was casinomister. It was fairly big at the time IIRC. I was on there for a while. I knew very few people would ever want to do anything other than post on the forum and talk via PM. I have only posted there a few times.

    I would say since I started posting on WOV about 75% everyone I work with and trust nowadays regarding AP stuff has come Via the forums.
    Last edited by AxelWolf; 01-27-2018 at 03:24 AM.

  13. #173
    DISCUSSION II ABOUT THE SUSPENSION LIST (WoV)

    Here is another thread on WoV. This thread is so long they had to make a part 2 because the first thread was reaching the maximum posts. I think one would have to admit that it is funny and interesting that a forum has that much to talk about a suspension list!? The last two quotes are good enough for me to discuss since they both are from members here. I have no problems with these members and in all honesty I have no problems with any member from WoV or this forum as well, at least not personally. We might have some choice words for one another and not agree but I don't have problems with them. I am actually new to forums and the rules and how they are run and how you should participate. I have to admit they are not very real world or real life since daily I interact or see interactions far worse compared to anything being done or said on either of these two forums.

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    Quote AxelWolf:
    There is one thing I know for sure If you want to stick around. Don't mess with the administration, especially not the guy running things.

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    Quote MrV: "Don't fight a battle of words with a guy who buys ink by the barrel."


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    I suppose when dealing with some dictatorship in the world these are hard truths. Perhaps even in some instances in the States both of these statements hold ground. I think they are better suited for when you deal with the Wiz than they have merit and truth. I just think of our own political system here in America. I can't even imagine how many death threats are daily sent to each individual president like Bush, Obama or Trump. In my lifetime they shot Reagan!? In many of your lifetimes they shot and killed Kennedy!? You only have to do a little searching to see some very hard words against Trump daily from citizens and even movie stars. This doesn't even get into the other political figures. These Titans in Society seem to be able to handle it fine and I don't see anyone losing Citizenship because of a few choice words directed at the Leaders? Of course I am not saying that certain individuals do not lose their citizenship when using threats or even violence or planning such events. I suppose my point is that it is a fantasy world over at WoV compared to reality run by someone who can do and say whatever he wants with little discourse. When challenged it is clear he just sends the subject to the gulag with very little chance of reprieve. I for one do not disagree with my personal banishment and am not going to complain to be reinstated as others may have. I am just stating that I, personally will always challenge authority online or in real life and converse how I see fit at the time. This does not mean that I will not make mistakes or have not made mistakes in the past, present or future. I am the type who doesn't like to be associated with individuals who are not able to step away from oneself and look at things from an objective point of view or from the other persons perspective. I prefer to understand why the individual is saying what they are saying instead of just going by face value of what that individual said. How many people in their life have said something to their own mother out of anger only to later apologize with tears and days later do or say the same thing? People in general get emotional and have poor judgement and act horribly to one another. That is just every day life and I would say it is difficult to ask every day people to act differently on a internet forum or message board. That just isn't realistic or possible for the most part and I think that is why you see so many problems on forums in general with bans and suspensions and such. Suspensions I can agree with but exile is something far more serious to initiate. I suppose I think of War compared to pushing the button for nuclear holocaust. It is clear that we as a nation have no problem going to War with countries and later buy their TVs and Cars but pushing the button is something we think many times over before not even thinking about doing it. Although an extreme example is when we did drop the bomb but later we eat Sushi, buy Sony and enjoy Japan in the Olympics with no hard feelings.

    When I think about the guy running things at WoV, I think of this bad movie remake but a funny quote that was in that movie:

    "This is not a democracy! This is a dictatorship and I am F----ing Hitler!!"
    Last edited by monet; 01-27-2018 at 09:37 AM.

  14. #174
    Originally Posted by monet View Post
    I would say it is difficult to ask every day people to act differently on a internet forum or message board. That just isn't realistic or possible for the most part and I think that is why you see so many problems on forums in general with bans and suspensions and such.
    People can behave well if they try.

    Think of the old adage: "Don't fart in church."
    What, Me Worry?

  15. #175
    Originally Posted by MisterV View Post

    People can behave well if they try.

    Think of the old adage: "Don't fart in church."
    Listen, I see your point. I see the administrations point at WoV. I even understand the leaders position at WoV. This doesn't mean that from time to time people do not "fart in church" and when they do, they get embarrassed, not thrown out of the congregation. Maybe a better adage would be... don't screw the ministers wife. If you look into the bible you will find a worse example of something that happened in the church dealing with sexual misconduct. It was stated that this offense was so egregious that it wasn't even accepted in the Gentile Community. The leader or leaders instructed these individuals to be thrown out immediately and that To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus. You can find that story in 1 Corinthians Chapter 5. I think that story is better served compared to passing wind in church.

  16. #176
    Since when is a gambling forum a church? And since when didn't MisterV fart in one?
    78255585899=317*13723*17989=(310+7)*[(13730-7)*(100*100+7979+10)]-->LOVE avatar@137_371_179_791, or 137_371_17[3^2]_7[3^2]1, 1=V-->Ace, low. 78255585899-->99858555287=(99858555288-1)=[-1+(72*2227)*(722777-100000)]={-1+(72*2227)*[(2000+700777+20000)-100000]}-->1_722_227_277_772_1. 7×8×2×5×5×5×8×5×8×9×9=362880000=(1000000000-6√97020000-100000)-->169_721. (7/8×2/5×5/5×8/5×8/9×9)={[(-.1+.9)]^2×(6+1)}-->1961=√4*2.24; (1/7×8/2×5/5×5/8×5/8×9/9)={1/[7×(-.2+1)^2]}-->1721=[(10*10/4)/(√4+110)].

  17. #177
    Originally Posted by Bill Yung View Post
    Since when is a gambling forum a church?
    Not a forum, but close enough.

  18. #178
    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    Originally Posted by Bill Yung View Post
    Since when is a gambling forum a church?
    Not a forum, but close enough.
    Thanks for the link! I uploaded this Bishop Arnold Snyder sermon of the The First Church of Blackjack from VCR form bought from Blackjack Forum. Snyder game me permission and was thankful for restoring this.


    JSTAT on casinos, poker, and blackjack/baccarat card counting without charge. Saying what needs to said at https://twitter.com/Casino_Examiner

  19. #179
    Lock of the Century (WoV)

    The Wiz is really on the warpath! 3 day suspension to Rigondeaux for some needles to ZenKing. Honestly, he has to suspend every member that interacts with ZenKing. Everyone on that board and myself dogpiled ZenKing for over a solid year. Not only that but the Wiz goes and makes some snotty remarks to HNYC and that's ok? No suspension for him... just another warning that if he returns he is on thin ice with the Wiz. 3 day suspension isn't a big deal but it's just getting silly over there. They have remarked this forum is full of uncouth members with an uncouth leader in Dan Druff but IMO this forum is a breath of fresh air with some relaxed wiggle room and not having to feel as if one is walking on Egg Shells is nice too. I for one like the way Dan runs it over here and I notice the posts don't get really crazy but hey if you want to say F U once in awhile members here understand that is normal every day conversation and honestly I'm able to laugh that BS off.

  20. #180
    Originally Posted by monet View Post
    Lock of the Century (WoV)

    The Wiz is really on the warpath! 3 day suspension to Rigondeaux for some needles to ZenKing. Honestly, he has to suspend every member that interacts with ZenKing. Everyone on that board and myself dogpiled ZenKing for over a solid year. Not only that but the Wiz goes and makes some snotty remarks to HNYC and that's ok? No suspension for him... just another warning that if he returns he is on thin ice with the Wiz. 3 day suspension isn't a big deal but it's just getting silly over there. They have remarked this forum is full of uncouth members with an uncouth leader in Dan Druff but IMO this forum is a breath of fresh air with some relaxed wiggle room and not having to feel as if one is walking on Egg Shells is nice too. I for one like the way Dan runs it over here and I notice the posts don't get really crazy but hey if you want to say F U once in awhile members here understand that is normal every day conversation and honestly I'm able to laugh that BS off.
    I couldn't agree more, this is a great forum.

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