The WoV Thread

[LarryS]

Next RS will be quoting Hitler and telling us how great he was.

This is just as bad as what got Singer banned, maybe worse because it disparages both blacks and jews.

There's two types of black people in this country. One group consists of the overwhelming majority of them, and these are good, decent, and honorable people. The others are just plain stupid ni*****, who disrespect our country, our flag, and our service men & women.
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Note by Dan Druff: I edited one of the inappropriate racist words here, and have banned Rob. I am leaving the rest of the post up, so people understand why he was banned.

If you are African American it is perfectly acceptable in our society to use the N word. However, if you are of European descent, use of the word will get you castigated out of society. Many arguments are made that it's okay for blacks to use the word but whites can't. None of the excuses changes the fact that one segment of society, because of their skin color, can use the word, but another segment of society, because of their skin color, can't use the word. Whites, even Rob Singer, are discriminated against over the use of this word. THAT IS THE EPITOME OF RACISM.

Those that call a white person racist for using the word are in fact themselves racist. White people calling other white people racists for use of the word are racists....and they are the most despicable kind of racist there is....THEY ARE PREJUDICED AGAINST THEIR OWN RACE.

The black man took the N word away from the white man and made it their own. Taking away the sting. Bascally saying....is our word now, so fuck you if you want to hurl it at us...it doesnt hurt us. I dont blame them for doing that. Its effective at least for the younger generation. Black people my age still feel the weight f the word if used...but the millenials and Ge X ers dont carry that weight. And its a good thing.

When Richard Pryor was once asked why he used that word so much. He said he wanted to use it so mch that it became meaningless...ti take thepower of the word away fromthe racists. So if thats what he wanted to do...thats fine with me. Its better than just sitting there and taking it

[LarryS]

Now we have some real bullshit coming from Babs in the Discussion about the suspension list thread on page 153. Here's the quote of her:

"I'm sure this board would have benefitted at times from a pre-post moderation option. MickeyC, for one begged us to do this and I was willing. But nothing would have helped him after he threatened (on another board) the Wizard's person."

Now, you've pissed me off, Babbling Babs. I didn't beg anyone. DO YOU GOT THAT? I suggested a different form of moderation in one post and never mentioned it again. That's not begging, Babbling Babs, so get off your high fucking horse. Now, this thing about "nothing could have helped him after the Wizard threat." Now, that threat was made long after I was banned from WoV when I was drunk and pissed off about Shack's WALL OF SHAME bullshit. And furthermore, WHO THE FUCK SAID I WANTED BACK ON THE BOARD, BABBLING BABS? Did any of you nitwits see me ask, much less beg, to get back on the forum? FUCK NO, YOU DIDN'T. I moved the fuck on. Fuck being a member of WoV.

Several months ago someone suggested bringing back banned members like myself. Then someone else said that the Wizard said an apology was in order if I ever wanted back on the board. So that motherfucker was trying to bait me into an apology just so he could tell the masses "I've taken Crimm's apology into consideration but have decided that he should remain banned at this time." Fuck you, Shack, you punk ass bitch. You'll never get an apology from me. I backed off the threat but I never apologized. I politely responded that I had no interest in getting back on the board. Apparently, too many people on that site mistake kindness for weakness. So let me be perfectly clear:

Michael Shackleford can fuck off and die. Great math guy but a walking pile of pigshit in real life. I especially don't like what the bitch did to KJ and some others. Fuck him and his punkass WALL OF SHAME.

i agree she was lying there. I cant imagine MC "begging" for anything(except maybe gay sex).

You sure have gay sex on your mind a lot.

I have that image from GF of you begging on your knees for the admin to put his mouth around your penis. Its there in black and white and it nauseates me. Sometimes when you had a little too much.....you thought GF meant "Gay forum" .

its an honest mistake I guess.

[mickeycrimm]

i agree she was lying there. I cant imagine MC "begging" for anything(except maybe gay sex).

You sure have gay sex on your mind a lot.

I have that image from GF of you begging on your knees for the admin to put his mouth around your penis. Its there in black and white and it nauseates me. Sometimes when you had a little too much.....you thought GF meant "Gay forum" .

its an honest mistake I guess.

You just live to misrepresent it don't you. You're a maggot piece of shit. Go back to sucking Vbitch's cock, maggot.

[Rob.Singer]

Of course we all hear black people blab that word all the time. But just look at the ones who say it: vile black "comedians", thug rappers, and punk street idiots. And it all points in the same direction--the low IQ bunch.

I have no problem whatsoever saying that word when we get treated to the things these people do. Remember that fat-ass thug Michael Brown, whose momma claimed he was "such a GOOD boy"? No one more deserved to be called that word than this punk esp. after we had to watch him strong-arm a Korean store owner, and the world is a better place minus that a-hole.

[Bill Yung]

If you are African American it is perfectly acceptable in our society to use the N word. However, if you are of European descent, use of the word will get you castigated out of society. Many arguments are made that it's okay for blacks to use the word but whites can't. None of the excuses changes the fact that one segment of society, because of their skin color, can use the word, but another segment of society, because of their skin color, can't use the word. Whites, even Rob Singer, are discriminated against over the use of this word. THAT IS THE EPITOME OF RACISM.

Those that call a white person racist for using the word are in fact themselves racist. White people calling other white people racists for use of the word are racists....and they are the most despicable kind of racist there is....THEY ARE PREJUDICED AGAINST THEIR OWN RACE.

I think that you have a shell of a point there. One that is so much more pronounced and real in the professional world, and even in the world of politics.

Is there anything worse, other than all-out war, than a well-placed spy high up who plies his/her trade totally unnoticed for decades? Or the subsequent generations of judges, doctors, and the like who "forget from where they come", and then continue to side with the very rich at the life-and-death expense of the population as a whole.

I don't know, but I suspect that the blacks who call themselves derogatory names are mostly the ones who "found their way" in a white man's world, even if only in a figurative manner.

[Bill Yung]

Ha, the Singers of world who sell out the people they sell their useless gambling systems to.

[RS__]

Of course we all hear black people blab that word all the time. But just look at the ones who say it: vile black "comedians", thug rappers, and punk street idiots. And it all points in the same direction--the low IQ bunch.

I have no problem whatsoever saying that word when we get treated to the things these people do. Remember that fat-ass thug Michael Brown, whose momma claimed he was "such a GOOD boy"? No one more deserved to be called that word than this punk esp. after we had to watch him strong-arm a Korean store owner, and the world is a better place minus that a-hole.

How many black people does it take to start a riot?

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[pepe]

[Rob.Singer]

Ha, the Singers of world who sell out the people they sell their useless gambling systems to.

I see that a lot from you.

Neither of my books included any of the details on my successful play strategy, even though the publisher fought me on that. I have disdain for all those who sold their strategies in their books, columns, and/or charged for answering email or phoned-in questions along with an hourly charge for face-to-face advice or training sessions. My 8-year column at GT did include details at times, but I never accepted one dime in payment--which caused an occasional fight there also.

My belief on this is the same as my belief about all these self-promoting "sports handicappers" like redietz and many others: if your gambling strategy is truly a winner then you do not need other people's money to make a go if it....and if you're such a "luminary" of sports handicapping, then just bet more on your own picks, stupid.

And no qua, I've never used my player's card while training others.

[AxelWolf]

Ha, the Singers of world who sell out the people they sell their useless gambling systems to.

I see that a lot from you.

Neither of my books included any of the details on my successful play strategy, even though the publisher fought me on that. I have disdain for all those who sold their strategies in their books, columns, and/or charged for answering email or phoned-in questions along with an hourly charge for face-to-face advice or training sessions. My 8-year column at GT did include details at times, but I never accepted one dime in payment--which caused an occasional fight there also.

My belief on this is the same as my belief about all these self-promoting "sports handicappers" like redietz and many others: if your gambling strategy is truly a winner then you do not need other people's money to make a go if it....and if you're such a "luminary" of sports handicapping, then just bet more on your own picks, stupid.

And no qua, I've never used my player's card while training others.

Approxmently how many people have you trained?

How many people do you think are out there using your system successfully? Is there anyone who's NOT anonymouse that will verify they have been using your system with a great level of success for years? Not just someone who got lucky and hit big once.

How often do you still play using your system and how much do you make per year?

Have you ever accepted any money from someone who won using your system?

[redietz]

Ha, the Singers of world who sell out the people they sell their useless gambling systems to.

I see that a lot from you.

Neither of my books included any of the details on my successful play strategy, even though the publisher fought me on that. I have disdain for all those who sold their strategies in their books, columns, and/or charged for answering email or phoned-in questions along with an hourly charge for face-to-face advice or training sessions. My 8-year column at GT did include details at times, but I never accepted one dime in payment--which caused an occasional fight there also.

My belief on this is the same as my belief about all these self-promoting "sports handicappers" like redietz and many others: if your gambling strategy is truly a winner then you do not need other people's money to make a go if it....and if you're such a "luminary" of sports handicapping, then just bet more on your own picks, stupid.

And no qua, I've never used my player's card while training others.

LOL -- it's a shame I was never recognized enough to simply work on a percent of profit for people, thus immediately amplifying one's own bankroll. I'm just not that bright. Or that recognized. It's a damned shame.

[Bill Yung]

Well, all of that is a rather strange admission, and a "kick in the teeth" to anyone who ever supported him. I guess it's the final breath of a hardcore scammer. Sort of like Hitler's secret weapon that he strived to complete on Germany's WW2 deathbed.

But not a surprise to anyone who has been on the dozen or so "successful" gambling boards, over the years, including the scam/cult-following boards - if they are not all scam boards in one way or another because they have to do with gambling. (It's just hard not to see through the supposedly legitimate ones after having seen so many angles and other means to an apparently impossible end.)

[Rob.Singer]

Ha, the Singers of world who sell out the people they sell their useless gambling systems to.

I see that a lot from you.

Neither of my books included any of the details on my successful play strategy, even though the publisher fought me on that. I have disdain for all those who sold their strategies in their books, columns, and/or charged for answering email or phoned-in questions along with an hourly charge for face-to-face advice or training sessions. My 8-year column at GT did include details at times, but I never accepted one dime in payment--which caused an occasional fight there also.

My belief on this is the same as my belief about all these self-promoting "sports handicappers" like redietz and many others: if your gambling strategy is truly a winner then you do not need other people's money to make a go if it....and if you're such a "luminary" of sports handicapping, then just bet more on your own picks, stupid.

And no qua, I've never used my player's card while training others.

Approxmently how many people have you trained?

How many people do you think are out there using your system successfully? Is there anyone who's NOT anonymouse that will verify they have been using your system with a great level of success for years? Not just someone who got lucky and hit big once.

How often do you still play using your system and how much do you make per year?

Have you ever accepted any money from someone who won using your system?

I've trained several hundred players and I still do, although much more infrequently today than in the past.

The majority of those who I've taught contacted me via my column in GT in the past. After that, it's either been by word-of-mouth, from my posting on a few of the forums, or from hearing/reading about me wherever. As I've previously said here, I only know of one person who used and still uses my strategy at the levels I've used, and he lives in LV in the area across from South Point. He was and is, as I was and am, banned from playing there--not for ap-type manipulations of the bonus points/gas cards/card-pulling/playing on other's cards etc.--but simply for the casino being unable to make a profit off of him and myself, on as you know, their -EV games no less.

Most others I've lost contact with over the years, and most don't belong to forums. The ones who do post regularly shy away from it, because of how often they get accused of being a sock puppet of mine--and I've NEVER posted under an alias anywhere without first identifying myself, regardless of all the nonsensical allegations--and if they say anything positive about what they've learned and how well they're doing they immediately get ridiculed and they don't have the stomach for it as I do.

No I no longer play my SPS strategy (which is from $1 to $100) because I'm retired from being a full-time professional gambler. I do play my ARTT strategy when I play, which is between 25c & $25. But after hitting (and posting pics here) several $50k and one $100k winners at Wynn and in La., and not filing as a business owner any longer, I was disgusted with the amount of taxes the Alternative Minimum Tax cost us so I stopped playing above $2 since. But as soon as I changed I had a 2 hour stint at SP where I hit 3 royals along with one Aces w/kicker (pics and W2G's were posted) for a $25k profit. I was then banned.

While a pro I averaged around $94k/year in winnings directly from the machines. Since then (2009) and because I only play a few times a year, I may average about +$50k/year--but much of that was during the first four years.

I've never accepted money from anyone who's won that I've trained. Many have tried though. I did accept a $1000 bottle of old Scotch after a "trainee" won over $30,000 during our first meet-up at Rampart.

[LarryS]

Ha, the Singers of world who sell out the people they sell their useless gambling systems to.

I see that a lot from you.

Neither of my books included any of the details on my successful play strategy, even though the publisher fought me on that. I have disdain for all those who sold their strategies in their books, columns, and/or charged for answering email or phoned-in questions along with an hourly charge for face-to-face advice or training sessions. My 8-year column at GT did include details at times, but I never accepted one dime in payment--which caused an occasional fight there also.

My belief on this is the same as my belief about all these self-promoting "sports handicappers" like redietz and many others: if your gambling strategy is truly a winner then you do not need other people's money to make a go if it....and if you're such a "luminary" of sports handicapping, then just bet more on your own picks, stupid.

And no qua, I've never used my player's card while training others.

why did people buy your books? Werent they looking for specifics? And you say you didnt provide that. Werent they dissappointed?. I mean I cant believe you think people will buy a VP book, and not expect specifics....and not just a declaration that machines can be beat.

That declaration can take 1 page. What did you do on theother 200 pages? Just bullshit?

[Bill Yung]

I was wondering what he did with the 6,000+ posts here. Lol. And Mickey's another one to talk it up. The casinos made out okay on him, too. Professional shills.

[redietz]

Well, all of that is a rather strange admission, and a "kick in the teeth" to anyone who ever supported him. I guess it's the final breath of a hardcore scammer. Sort of like Hitler's secret weapon that he strived to complete on Germany's WW2 deathbed.

But not a surprise to anyone who has been on the dozen or so "successful" gambling boards, over the years, including the scam/cult-following boards - if they are not all scam boards in one way or another because they have to do with gambling. (It's just hard not to see through the supposedly legitimate ones after having seen so many angles and other means to an apparently impossible end.)

Bill, I hope you're not referencing my post above yours. I was being facetious. Ironic. Sarcastic.

[Bill Yung]

Bill, I hope you're not referencing my post above yours. I was being facetious. Ironic. Sarcastic.

No, sorry, that was directed strictly at Singer.

[pepe]

I was wondering what he did with the 6,000+ posts here. Lol. And Mickey's another one to talk it up. The casinos made out okay on him, too. Professional shills.

i personally have made money based on stuff I learned from Mickey's posts. Mickey is legit.

[slingshot]

Ha, the Singers of world who sell out the people they sell their useless gambling systems to.

I see that a lot from you.

Neither of my books included any of the details on my successful play strategy, even though the publisher fought me on that. I have disdain for all those who sold their strategies in their books, columns, and/or charged for answering email or phoned-in questions along with an hourly charge for face-to-face advice or training sessions. My 8-year column at GT did include details at times, but I never accepted one dime in payment--which caused an occasional fight there also.

My belief on this is the same as my belief about all these self-promoting "sports handicappers" like redietz and many others: if your gambling strategy is truly a winner then you do not need other people's money to make a go if it....and if you're such a "luminary" of sports handicapping, then just bet more on your own picks, stupid.

And no qua, I've never used my player's card while training others.

why did people buy your books? Werent they looking for specifics? And you say you didnt provide that. Werent they dissappointed?. I mean I cant believe you think people will buy a VP book, and not expect specifics....and not just a declaration that machines can be beat.

That declaration can take 1 page. What did you do on the other 200 pages? Just bullshit?

They were disappointing as far as strategy- although a few examples demonstrated his point. I only got "Ramblin' and Gamblin" thru Nevada" free gratis, which is a book AP's would have enjoyed and was pretty descriptive of the way I was playing. We were warned on VP Truth they weren't strategy books, although the intro example on the web caught my eye. It took me 2 years from his VPTruth site, with frequent questions to break my preconceived ideas and when the articles on hot/cold cycles and goal oriented strategy-along with other concepts were addressed- it all started making sense. And since math only makes sense in the short term- who can blame anyone for being skeptical? I sat where many have sat before- can this be another hoax?

[jbjb]

There are no fucking things as hot and cold cycles. Enough with the god damn conspiracy theories!