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  1. #1921
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Rob, if I work a promotion where every quad gets a 125 coin bonus do you really think I'm being fooled?
    If you "work" ANY promotion, all you've done is show weakness by being fool enuf to allow yourself to get roped into a casino. They make money on every promotion or else they wouldn't have them. But AP's like to build up their perceptions, which is what you do constantly and is really the only thing you have in life.

  2. #1922
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by slingshot View Post
    I believe they were in their infancy when the last of your articles were published of VP Truth. Strangely, a fairly detailed group of discussions were here on this forum that of course were rejected. The ONE time I tried the SP strategy starting at nickels, I witnessed about 600 credits of junk hands before hitting 4A's /kicker on dimes for a $50 + $10 soft profits win. I was exhausted keeping up, but I certainly witnessed the hot/cold cycles.
    This is just pure nonsense. Pure voodoo. Maybe in a very small trial like you are giving an example of your results were positive. Small sample size means NOTHING! A guy walks into a casino and bets black at the roulette table for 4 spins. He wins 3. He then posts he has a roulette system that wins 75% of the time. LOL. THAT is what small sample sizes can give ya.

    The fact is what Singer is promoting is a progression system. Progressive systems DO NOT change the odds of a game. Progression systems can not turn a negative EV game into a positive EV game. It is mathematically impossible, no matter what 'spin' you he or one many different voices in his head that he posts as, puts on it. All progression systems do is change the distribution of wins and losses....NOT the total outcome.

    Progressions CAN NOT change a negative expectation game into a positive expectation game!
    Progressions CAN NOT change a negative expectation game into a positive expectation game!
    Progressions CAN NOT change a negative expectation game into a positive expectation game!
    Progressions CAN NOT change a negative expectation game into a positive expectation game!

    Eventually every progression system ends up the same way. It changes the distribution of wins and losses so that you have many smaller wins. But eventually there comes a string where the player doesn't "hit" with in the progression and ends up with a HUGE loss wiping away many, many small wins. This isn't an unusual event, it is a mathematical event (normal variance), as per the mathematics of the game. Nothing, you, Singer or any proponent of progression systems say will change that, including "stop limits". The first reaction of progression proponents is to employ 'stop limits'. That doesn't work either. That is employing one voodoo technique on top of another.

    There is nothing new about any of this. This has been tried and failed forever. I refer you to the definition of insanity: doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.
    Again kew you talked yourself into your safe little anonymous, rainbow-laced corner.

    My strategy increases and DECREASES in both denomination and game volatility (ask mickey what that means and he'll go to WOO and look it up for you, because you show no understanding of the word) when both winning and losing. Goals, results, and other factors determine when and how. In your under-developed mind however, all you want to see is a PROGRESSION because that's the simple way out. And in case you've never paid attention to anything you don't agree with, my method has absolutely nothing to do with attempting to turn -ev games into +ev ones. It is about being able to win consistently on whatever the ER is of the games I choose to play.

    You need to understand the facts when you try to criticize. No amount of wordsmithing you do will prevent you from appearing stupid if you don't.

  3. #1923
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Rob, if I work a promotion where every quad gets a 125 coin bonus do you really think I'm being fooled?
    If you "work" ANY promotion, all you've done is show weakness by being fool enuf to allow yourself to get roped into a casino. They make money on every promotion or else they wouldn't have them. But AP's like to build up their perceptions, which is what you do constantly and is really the only thing you have in life.
    Well, we'll make money as opposed to not playing them by chasing losses with sub-optimal play thinking you'll trick the machines to spit out more than 100% Bwahahahaha get real and wise the fuck up!!!

  4. #1924
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by slingshot View Post
    I believe they were in their infancy when the last of your articles were published of VP Truth. Strangely, a fairly detailed group of discussions were here on this forum that of course were rejected. The ONE time I tried the SP strategy starting at nickels, I witnessed about 600 credits of junk hands before hitting 4A's /kicker on dimes for a $50 + $10 soft profits win. I was exhausted keeping up, but I certainly witnessed the hot/cold cycles.
    This is just pure nonsense. Pure voodoo. Maybe in a very small trial like you are giving an example of your results were positive. Small sample size means NOTHING! A guy walks into a casino and bets black at the roulette table for 4 spins. He wins 3. He then posts he has a roulette system that wins 75% of the time. LOL. THAT is what small sample sizes can give ya.

    The fact is what Singer is promoting is a progression system. Progressive systems DO NOT change the odds of a game. Progression systems can not turn a negative EV game into a positive EV game. It is mathematically impossible, no matter what 'spin' you he or one many different voices in his head that he posts as, puts on it. All progression systems do is change the distribution of wins and losses....NOT the total outcome.

    Progressions CAN NOT change a negative expectation game into a positive expectation game!
    Progressions CAN NOT change a negative expectation game into a positive expectation game!
    Progressions CAN NOT change a negative expectation game into a positive expectation game!
    Progressions CAN NOT change a negative expectation game into a positive expectation game!

    Eventually every progression system ends up the same way. It changes the distribution of wins and losses so that you have many smaller wins. But eventually there comes a string where the player doesn't "hit" with in the progression and ends up with a HUGE loss wiping away many, many small wins. This isn't an unusual event, it is a mathematical event (normal variance), as per the mathematics of the game. Nothing, you, Singer or any proponent of progression systems say will change that, including "stop limits". The first reaction of progression proponents is to employ 'stop limits'. That doesn't work either. That is employing one voodoo technique on top of another.

    There is nothing new about any of this. This has been tried and failed forever. I refer you to the definition of insanity: doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.
    Again kew you talked yourself into your safe little anonymous, rainbow-laced corner.

    My strategy increases and DECREASES in both denomination and game volatility (ask mickey what that means and he'll go to WOO and look it up for you, because you show no understanding of the word) when both winning and losing. Goals, results, and other factors determine when and how. In your under-developed mind however, all you want to see is a PROGRESSION because that's the simple way out. And in case you've never paid attention to anything you don't agree with, my method has absolutely nothing to do with attempting to turn -ev games into +ev ones. It is about being able to win consistently on whatever the ER is of the games I choose to play.

    You need to understand the facts when you try to criticize. No amount of wordsmithing you do will prevent you from appearing stupid if you don't.
    if you are suggesting that money management can turn a negative exoectation game into positive....you have dine nothing to gain cred, except from ignorant people.
    If your target audience are the ignorant....then I bow to your ability to stay in your lane. A great business man knows his customers inside out....and if your customers are the ignorant of the world....then you certainly know what they want to hear

  5. #1925
    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Rob, if I work a promotion where every quad gets a 125 coin bonus do you really think I'm being fooled?
    If you "work" ANY promotion, all you've done is show weakness by being fool enuf to allow yourself to get roped into a casino. They make money on every promotion or else they wouldn't have them. But AP's like to build up their perceptions, which is what you do constantly and is really the only thing you have in life.
    Well, we'll make money as opposed to not playing them by chasing losses with sub-optimal play thinking you'll trick the machines to spit out more than 100% Bwahahahaha get real and wise the fuck up!!!
    Incredibly stupid and unthought-out reply based on irritability.

    Any machine where people quit when ahead has "spit out" better than 100%, moron.

  6. #1926
    Originally Posted by LarryS View Post
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post

    This is just pure nonsense. Pure voodoo. Maybe in a very small trial like you are giving an example of your results were positive. Small sample size means NOTHING! A guy walks into a casino and bets black at the roulette table for 4 spins. He wins 3. He then posts he has a roulette system that wins 75% of the time. LOL. THAT is what small sample sizes can give ya.

    The fact is what Singer is promoting is a progression system. Progressive systems DO NOT change the odds of a game. Progression systems can not turn a negative EV game into a positive EV game. It is mathematically impossible, no matter what 'spin' you he or one many different voices in his head that he posts as, puts on it. All progression systems do is change the distribution of wins and losses....NOT the total outcome.

    Progressions CAN NOT change a negative expectation game into a positive expectation game!
    Progressions CAN NOT change a negative expectation game into a positive expectation game!
    Progressions CAN NOT change a negative expectation game into a positive expectation game!
    Progressions CAN NOT change a negative expectation game into a positive expectation game!

    Eventually every progression system ends up the same way. It changes the distribution of wins and losses so that you have many smaller wins. But eventually there comes a string where the player doesn't "hit" with in the progression and ends up with a HUGE loss wiping away many, many small wins. This isn't an unusual event, it is a mathematical event (normal variance), as per the mathematics of the game. Nothing, you, Singer or any proponent of progression systems say will change that, including "stop limits". The first reaction of progression proponents is to employ 'stop limits'. That doesn't work either. That is employing one voodoo technique on top of another.

    There is nothing new about any of this. This has been tried and failed forever. I refer you to the definition of insanity: doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.
    Again kew you talked yourself into your safe little anonymous, rainbow-laced corner.

    My strategy increases and DECREASES in both denomination and game volatility (ask mickey what that means and he'll go to WOO and look it up for you, because you show no understanding of the word) when both winning and losing. Goals, results, and other factors determine when and how. In your under-developed mind however, all you want to see is a PROGRESSION because that's the simple way out. And in case you've never paid attention to anything you don't agree with, my method has absolutely nothing to do with attempting to turn -ev games into +ev ones. It is about being able to win consistently on whatever the ER is of the games I choose to play.

    You need to understand the facts when you try to criticize. No amount of wordsmithing you do will prevent you from appearing stupid if you don't.
    if you are suggesting that money management can turn a negative exoectation game into positive....you have dine nothing to gain cred, except from ignorant people.
    If your target audience are the ignorant....then I bow to your ability to stay in your lane. A great business man knows his customers inside out....and if your customers are the ignorant of the world....then you certainly know what they want to hear
    You're beginning to sound uneducated. Either that, or you're a poor reader with a blanked-out mind.

    I have never had customers. They're just players--both ap's and non-ap's--who are looking for a better way to play in order to obtain better results as well as enjoy themselves more than they have.

    And one more time: my strategy does not turn negative expectation games into positive expectation games. Expectation theory exists only in pre-play scenarios.

  7. #1927
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Any machine where people quit when ahead has "spit out" better than 100%, moron.
    Imagine if everyone quit while they were ahead - the casinos would go bankrupt. It's as easy as the stock market - buy low and sell high. What could go wrong ?

  8. #1928
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Expectation theory exists only in pre-play scenarios.
    Does expectation trump actual results?

    Can expectation cause someone to maintain that losing $8K is a successful day?...
    because the math of the game forecasts that he'll win it all back plus more in the future?

  9. #1929
    I have never had customers.

    sure you do. People who bought your books are "customers". You sell an item in order to make a profit and people who buy that item are customers. And these customers bought the book(s) looking for the secrets that you claim that you didnt give out.

    So play all te word games you want. YOu dint try to fefeat a negative expectation game with money management or progressions....even though you give examples where this is what you are claiming...whaile at the same time erroneously proclaiming that you dont play in the "long run"....which is silly and bordering on fraudulent.

    Only a fraud with as many hours logged into VP in his lifetime would claim tat he is not playing in the long run. Afirst time vegas gambler in for a 5 day trip is playing in the short term. But not you. You have hundreds of thousands of VP hands logged in..and that is the long run. You are living in it. You are immersed in it. Its not borderline.....of all people that are into VP....you ARE playing in the long run.

    The machines, the roulette wheels, the dice, the BJ cards do not know the difference between night and day, or numbers on a calendar.....its all about numbers......numbers of coin flips, numbers of wheel spins, numbers of dice tosses, numbers of "Hands"..........it never has anything to do with the month or year(unless you only play a few hands and never play again). Once you get into the multi hundreds of thousands of spins, rolls, hands......then you are in the long run....and declaring that you are not in the long run is the line a con man uses to con the ignorant. Unfortuantely the ignorant are not populating this board so you dont get alot of positive feedback. But its not to say there isnt some ignorant folks lurking. you might still have a few customers available.

  10. #1930
    Originally Posted by coach belly View Post
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Expectation theory exists only in pre-play scenarios.
    Does expectation trump actual results?

    Can expectation cause someone to maintain that losing $8K is a successful day?...
    because the math of the game forecasts that he'll win it all back plus more in the future?
    And therein lies the AP hypocrisy. They ALL want everyone within reading distance to believe they win because they outsmart the casinos with their +EV theoretically created plays.

    You've seen that idiot kew claim how EV trumps actual results because, well, he Loses! And yes, dummies like him want everyone to think that they'll "win it all back and more" because of a few theoretical percentage points. But they never will come out and actually say that, simply because they know they'll sound like they're "due" or they "feel a hot streak is coming". They prepare and craft their words more carefully than how Martha Stewart's lovers are directed on when to put on their condoms.

  11. #1931
    Originally Posted by LarryS View Post
    I have never had customers.

    sure you do. People who bought your books are "customers". You sell an item in order to make a profit and people who buy that item are customers. And these customers bought the book(s) looking for the secrets that you claim that you didnt give out.

    So play all te word games you want. YOu dint try to fefeat a negative expectation game with money management or progressions....even though you give examples where this is what you are claiming...whaile at the same time erroneously proclaiming that you dont play in the "long run"....which is silly and bordering on fraudulent.

    Only a fraud with as many hours logged into VP in his lifetime would claim tat he is not playing in the long run. Afirst time vegas gambler in for a 5 day trip is playing in the short term. But not you. You have hundreds of thousands of VP hands logged in..and that is the long run. You are living in it. You are immersed in it. Its not borderline.....of all people that are into VP....you ARE playing in the long run.

    The machines, the roulette wheels, the dice, the BJ cards do not know the difference between night and day, or numbers on a calendar.....its all about numbers......numbers of coin flips, numbers of wheel spins, numbers of dice tosses, numbers of "Hands"..........it never has anything to do with the month or year(unless you only play a few hands and never play again). Once you get into the multi hundreds of thousands of spins, rolls, hands......then you are in the long run....and declaring that you are not in the long run is the line a con man uses to con the ignorant. Unfortuantely the ignorant are not populating this board so you dont get alot of positive feedback. But its not to say there isnt some ignorant folks lurking. you might still have a few customers available.
    Larry, know what you're talking about before you speak.

    My book deal required that none of the royalties go to me. They went straight to charities, my daughter, my son, and my sick uncle. I didn't need the money and gambling books don't generate a ton anyway. So I did not have "customers" in the normal sense of the word that steers money directly into my bank account.

    You're also confused about adding up all of the hands played. I am guessing that's because you are unfamiliar with how the Law of Large Numbers is defined. Just think of it like this: Do any of the hands you've already played or have yet to play have anything at all to do with the hand you are currently playing? They why on earth would you want to believe that the results from the machine you played yesterday, last month, and ten years ago and the machines you will play in the future, have anything at all to do with the machine you are currently playing?

    It's all nothing but simple common sense. Unless and until people understand that today's session/results have absolutely nothing to do with what happened yesterday or what will happen tomorrow, they'll continue on down the path of confusion with their blinders on.

  12. #1932
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Any machine where people quit when ahead has "spit out" better than 100%, moron.
    Imagine if everyone quit while they were ahead - the casinos would go bankrupt. It's as easy as the stock market - buy low and sell high. What could go wrong ?
    Won't ever happen, because of greed, non-discipline, and players' excuses for not stopping playing the machines.

  13. #1933
    Originally Posted by LarryS View Post
    The machines, the roulette wheels, the dice, the BJ cards do not know the difference between night and day, or numbers on a calendar.....its all about numbers......numbers of coin flips, numbers of wheel spins, numbers of dice tosses, numbers of "Hands"..........it never has anything to do with the month or year(unless you only play a few hands and never play again). Once you get into the multi hundreds of thousands of spins, rolls, hands......then you are in the long run....and declaring that you are not in the long run is the line a con man uses to con the ignorant. Unfortunately the ignorant are not populating this board so you don't get alot of positive feedback. But its not to say there isn't some ignorant folks lurking. you might still have a few customers available.
    Actually the blackjack cards "do know the difference between night and day", as you term it LarryS. What makes blackjack different from the others games mentioned is that the cards do have a memory (so to speak). Unlike the other games mentioned each round of blackjack is NOT independent of the other rounds that came before it, or will come after. Instead the results of the current round and future rounds are influenced if not determined by the earlier rounds and the cards that have been taken out of play in those earlier rounds. That is the basis of card counting. Easiest (and extreme) example is single deck. A couple players and dealer. First round, one player is dealt A,6, second player A,A and the dealer has a blackjack. Good luck getting dealt a blackjack in future rounds with no aces remaining.

    However blackjack aside, the rest of your post is spot on, not that it will make a difference. Singer will spin it to support his conman ideas.

    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    You've seen that idiot kew claim how EV trumps actual results because, well, he Loses! And yes, dummies like him want everyone to think that they'll "win it all back and more" because of a few theoretical percentage points. But they never will come out and actually say that, simply because they know they'll sound like they're "due" or they "feel a hot streak is coming".
    I never said "I was due" or "a hot streak was coming". What I said was over the long run, many, many trial, results and expectation will come together. That is not theory it is fact. The Law of Large Numbers.

    While still a relatively small sample size, my numbers for this partial year (2018) bear this out. Despite that day (an $8000 loss IIRC) that you, Alan and the rest of people that don't have a clue like to continue to crow about, I am right where I should be for the year, almost exactly (just a hair below) expectation at with an actual BJ win for the year of 24,637.50, vs expectation (accumulated EV) of $25,365. That day frequently mentioned by those who simply don't understand has absolutely no significant meaning what-so-ever, other than the EV (expected value) that was generated. That continues to be my most productive day of the year.

    Here is another one that you, Alan and the rest of the 'clueless club' can add to your arsenal. The month of April. Actual win of over $8200 for me, but EV generated was only $1500 because I played very sparingly due to my partners passing and extended trip back east. $8200 win means nothing. At the end of the year or whatever long-term measure one uses, what matters will be the EV generated and that makes April and the $1500 EV generated my worse month of the year by far for me (in more ways that one )

  14. #1934
    Those videos with Alan and Singer are the epitome of 2 con men in action...I felt like taking a shower to cleanse myself after watching for 5 minutes of these 2 shysters...Alan is the kind of guy you need to check your back pocket to make sure your wallet is there after meeting him, and what can you say about Singer?. He looks like a hobo that just got a day vacation from under his bridge

  15. #1935
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Rob, if I work a promotion where every quad gets a 125 coin bonus do you really think I'm being fooled?
    If you "work" ANY promotion, all you've done is show weakness by being fool enuf to allow yourself to get roped into a casino. They make money on every promotion or else they wouldn't have them. But AP's like to build up their perceptions, which is what you do constantly and is really the only thing you have in life.
    Rob, if you can get a casino to give me a 125 coin bonus on every quad at 9/6 Jacks through 20,000 hands, and I lose money on the play, I'll pay you $5000. I can do the 20K hands in two days. Or I'll just straight up pay you $1000 to get me the play. Has to be dollar denom or higher.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  16. #1936
    Originally Posted by Keystone View Post
    Those videos with Alan and Singer are the epitome of 2 con men in action...I felt like taking a shower to cleanse myself after watching for 5 minutes of these 2 shysters...Alan is the kind of guy you need to check your back pocket to make sure your wallet is there after meeting him, and what can you say about Singer?. He looks like a hobo that just got a day vacation from under his bridge
    https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/i...pAaI6yp7DGc5d5
    Another hobo looking guy.

  17. #1937
    Originally Posted by Keystone View Post
    Those videos with Alan and Singer are the epitome of 2 con men in action...I felt like taking a shower to cleanse myself after watching for 5 minutes of these 2 shysters...Alan is the kind of guy you need to check your back pocket to make sure your wallet is there after meeting him, and what can you say about Singer?. He looks like a hobo that just got a day vacation from under his bridge
    ROFLMFAO!! to those lame ass videos of Mendelssohn and Danny Devito wannabe!!

  18. #1938
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by LarryS View Post
    The machines, the roulette wheels, the dice, the BJ cards do not know the difference between night and day, or numbers on a calendar.....its all about numbers......numbers of coin flips, numbers of wheel spins, numbers of dice tosses, numbers of "Hands"..........it never has anything to do with the month or year(unless you only play a few hands and never play again). Once you get into the multi hundreds of thousands of spins, rolls, hands......then you are in the long run....and declaring that you are not in the long run is the line a con man uses to con the ignorant. Unfortunately the ignorant are not populating this board so you don't get alot of positive feedback. But its not to say there isn't some ignorant folks lurking. you might still have a few customers available.
    Actually the blackjack cards "do know the difference between night and day", as you term it LarryS. What makes blackjack different from the others games mentioned is that the cards do have a memory (so to speak). Unlike the other games mentioned each round of blackjack is NOT independent of the other rounds that came before it, or will come after. Instead the results of the current round and future rounds are influenced if not determined by the earlier rounds and the cards that have been taken out of play in those earlier rounds. That is the basis of card counting. Easiest (and extreme) example is single deck. A couple players and dealer. First round, one player is dealt A,6, second player A,A and the dealer has a blackjack. Good luck getting dealt a blackjack in future rounds with no aces remaining.

    However blackjack aside, the rest of your post is spot on, not that it will make a difference. Singer will spin it to support his conman ideas.

    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    You've seen that idiot kew claim how EV trumps actual results because, well, he Loses! And yes, dummies like him want everyone to think that they'll "win it all back and more" because of a few theoretical percentage points. But they never will come out and actually say that, simply because they know they'll sound like they're "due" or they "feel a hot streak is coming".
    I never said "I was due" or "a hot streak was coming". What I said was over the long run, many, many trial, results and expectation will come together. That is not theory it is fact. The Law of Large Numbers.

    While still a relatively small sample size, my numbers for this partial year (2018) bear this out. Despite that day (an $8000 loss IIRC) that you, Alan and the rest of people that don't have a clue like to continue to crow about, I am right where I should be for the year, almost exactly (just a hair below) expectation at with an actual BJ win for the year of 24,637.50, vs expectation (accumulated EV) of $25,365. That day frequently mentioned by those who simply don't understand has absolutely no significant meaning what-so-ever, other than the EV (expected value) that was generated. That continues to be my most productive day of the year.

    Here is another one that you, Alan and the rest of the 'clueless club' can add to your arsenal. The month of April. Actual win of over $8200 for me, but EV generated was only $1500 because I played very sparingly due to my partners passing and extended trip back east. $8200 win means nothing. At the end of the year or whatever long-term measure one uses, what matters will be the EV generated and that makes April and the $1500 EV generated my worse month of the year by far for me (in more ways that one )
    Kew, even a ten year old can tell you're just reaching for anecdotes. Let's have a raise of hands here everybody--who expected kew to say he's won after losing, and that everything's hunky-dory, even though half his household's welfare checks and food stamps just went poof!?

  19. #1939
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Rob, if I work a promotion where every quad gets a 125 coin bonus do you really think I'm being fooled?
    If you "work" ANY promotion, all you've done is show weakness by being fool enuf to allow yourself to get roped into a casino. They make money on every promotion or else they wouldn't have them. But AP's like to build up their perceptions, which is what you do constantly and is really the only thing you have in life.
    Rob, if you can get a casino to give me a 125 coin bonus on every quad at 9/6 Jacks through 20,000 hands, and I lose money on the play, I'll pay you $5000. I can do the 20K hands in two days. Or I'll just straight up pay you $1000 to get me the play. Has to be dollar denom or higher.
    Put the drinks down mickey. First, you don't have the dinero. Next, I don't run a casino. And finally, all you need do is make up that you ran into such a promotion at some obscure Indian casino, you know, just like how the anonymous kew makes up all his gambling prowess nonsense.

  20. #1940
    Originally Posted by Keystone View Post
    Those videos with Alan and Singer are the epitome of 2 con men in action...I felt like taking a shower to cleanse myself after watching for 5 minutes of these 2 shysters...Alan is the kind of guy you need to check your back pocket to make sure your wallet is there after meeting him, and what can you say about Singer?. He looks like a hobo that just got a day vacation from under his bridge
    What are the odds.....that WoV rejects can't get anyone over here to believe their bs, so they turned to name-calling as a last resort!

    What would BBB say....

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