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[kewlJ]

One would think that cops in and around Las Vegas see a lot of weird people carrying a lot of cash: naturally, the town is filled with glitzy casinos.

Contrast that with a traffic stop at 4:00AM in bumfuck Kansas, finding a horde of cash in a car driven by a wetback.

Doesn't mean there aren't crooked cops in Metro. I have respect for the police, but there are some bad apples everywhere.

So what part of Kansas would the municipality of "Bumfuck" be located? And why are there "wetbacks" in Kansas? That's a long swim!

[MisterV]

OK, how often do gamblers traveling to, from or through Las Vegas get their cash seized by the authorities via civil forfeiture?

Is it common, is it a unicorn, or something between?

Probably little hue and cry about it on national media because it is not happening frequently enough to be newsworthy.

[AxelWolf]

On a larger scale, I don't do that kind of work but I have had clients whose assets were taken and it is a never ending task at great expense trying to get them back. It basically ruins lives, whether innocent or guilty.

You are an attorney regnis?

That is why it is better to try to avoid such a situation in the first place. The letter, which is something Bob recommends, hopefully immediately alerts law enforcement that, you are someone who is going to pursue the matter, so it isn't just going to go away quietly. Also the name Bob Nersesian, has meaning to Las Vegas and Nevada jurisdictions. Hopefully that too is a warning that there is going to be a light shined (<-shined?) on this action.

Similarly with traveling. I let the banks move my money. An account at one of the major national type banks does the trick. Some AP's complain about lost time when reaching the destination to getting your funds, especially arriving at night or on a weekend. There is also an issue for high stakes players because they have to notify the bank in advance to have enough cash. (I don't have that problem at my stakes) Even so, these are a small inconvenience in my mind.

Besides airport TSA, you have taxidrivers, people at the airport. Travel is stressful enough without carrying a shitload of money. One time when I was returning to Vegas from a trip east, a guy going through security a couple people in front of me, announced to TSA that he was traveling to Vegas and has significant money. They had him hold it (a big brick of cash) in his hands, over his head as he went through the scanner. WHAT....A ....FREAKING....SCHMUCK! Might as well of been holding a "please rob me" sign.

That must have been Romes. I think he suggests doing this.

[kewlJ]

OK, how often do gamblers traveling to, from or through Las Vegas get their cash seized by the authorities via civil forfeiture?

Is it common, is it a unicorn, or something between?

Probably little hue and cry about it on national media because it is not happening frequently enough to be newsworthy.

Probably closer to unicorn, but on the other hand, drunk gamblers, maybe having gotten in a fight at a night club....probably more common than you think that they come up missing some money.

This is going to sound conspiratory, but the Vegas media under reports most crimes involving the tourist districts. If you watch the local news or read the papers, you will see lots of reports of different crimes in the residential areas, but few mention of much on the strip or even downtown, unless it is something fairly significant, like a shooting or stabbing. I firmly believe there is an effort to protect our "bread and butter".

[kewlJ]

That must have been Romes. I think he suggests doing this.

If I absolutely must take some real money, anything more than a thousand walk-around money, I am having it buried in my carry-on, or packpack, that I try not to let get out of eyesight going through security. I would NEVER do the hold the money above my head thing....even in an envelope. Does Romes really suggest this? Did he suggest this on GWAE or something?

[AxelWolf]

That must have been Romes. I think he suggests doing this.

If I absolutely must take some real money, anything more than a thousand walk-around money, I am having it buried in my carry-on, or packpack, that I try not to let get out of eyesight going through security. I would NEVER do the hold the money above my head thing....even in an envelope. Does Romes really suggest this? Did he suggest this on GWAE or something?

WOV. And im not 100% sure it was him, im 85% sure.

[MaxPen]

That must have been Romes. I think he suggests doing this.

If I absolutely must take some real money, anything more than a thousand walk-around money, I am having it buried in my carry-on, or packpack, that I try not to let get out of eyesight going through security. I would NEVER do the hold the money above my head thing....even in an envelope. Does Romes really suggest this? Did he suggest this on GWAE or something?

WOV. And im not 100% sure it was him, im 85% sure.

It was him. I suggest just leaving it in your backpack or whatever. Don't pack it tight is what was told to me by a TSA guy. Just single stacked bills kind of loose with a band around the middle. Most likely to just go right on thru.

[AxelWolf]

If I absolutely must take some real money, anything more than a thousand walk-around money, I am having it buried in my carry-on, or packpack, that I try not to let get out of eyesight going through security. I would NEVER do the hold the money above my head thing....even in an envelope. Does Romes really suggest this? Did he suggest this on GWAE or something?

WOV. And im not 100% sure it was him, im 85% sure.

It was him. I suggest just leaving it in your backpack or whatever. Don't pack it tight is what was told to me by a TSA guy. Just single stacked bills kind of loose with a band around the middle. Most likely to just go right on thru.

Ill be sure to let Romes know KJ called him "A ....FREAKING....SCHMUCK!"

[tableplay]

Frankly, I think there is always a safety issue with cash.

I have to say that the only time I was asked if I wanted a private payoff on a jackpot was at Pechanga some years ago. I hit a $20,000 royal. They came to my machine and asked me how I wanted the payoff. I asked for cash (because I was married at the time and the rule was half was mine and half was hers and I liked to surprise her with the money on the dresser in the morning). Then they asked me if I wanted to go into a side room by the cage for the payoff. Another time it was only a $10,000 pay on DDB, and two HUGE security guards surrounded me and the payer so that no one could see the transaction -- but obviously anyone could tell a cash pay was being made. (By the way I offered to tip the security guards and they declined saying it was against the casino rules for them to accept tips.)

The reality is getting cash at any casino puts you at risk. People watch. They watch you at the tables, they watch you at the machines and they watch you at the cage. Don't you think 90% of the cars arriving in Vegas or headed northbound on the I-15 to Vegas have at least one person with several thousand dollars in their pockets? Same is true with plane passengers: what do you think the cash amount is of a planeload from LAX or Burbank arriving in Vegas???

I'd be more concerned with civil forfeiture from crooked cops than from some thug in a casino.

There's an episode of "The A Team" where a rogue casino supervisor alerted crooked cops of buses full of seniors. They'd stop the bus, then rob the seniors.

The worst part of this whole thing is that the current US Attorney General, Jefferson Sessions, is pro Civil Asset Forfeiture - expect things to get worse.

[Alan Mendelson]

I've seen posts before about gamblers being stopped at police checkpoints and for one reason or another cash was seized. But I've never seen statistics. Are there a reported number of cases? Are receipts issued at the time of seizure?

[monet]

Just to update: That $1000+ winning streak stopped at 5. Day 6 (of work) for the year was actually a significant losing day that wiped out all 5 of those small wins. The life of blackjack.

I have since rebounded slightly back into the black, but not exactly a quick start to the year that it's always 'nice' to have.

Why didn't you use a stop loss on Day 6?

If being an AP is a business why wouldn't you operate like a business?

Perhaps this will shed some light on your question and maybe it won't. I hardly have been reading any forums in the last week or so and most likely will not be participating very much in the near future. Some reasons are because I realize that I am not able to really educate anyone on these forums and if someone is listening and getting educated by my posts that basically means I am giving away too much free information.

I don't know if you play poker but I am sure that most of you have in one time or another played this game since it is one of the most popular games in America and it has been that way for over a century. Try to imagine that you play poker 8 to 12 hours every day and you play with some friendly, wild billionaire who does not care about money and buys in 300 dollars in some 1/2 NL game. This guy plays with you every day from 8 to 12 hours and goes all in every hand blind no matter what. So you sit here and rake in the money day after day. For the year you are up 8k in the game but this is a bad day for you. You are stuck 8500 dollars and it has only been two hours into your session. This fellow player is having fun and has no desire to leave and promises to stay another 7 hours. You feel fresh with plenty of sleep and have no problem sitting and waiting for your next big hand to race against this player knowing full well you have the best of it going in against two randoms each time you race it down. So, do you leave the game because your down 8500 for the day and now 500 for the year? Perhaps you do leave but it makes sense that you should never leave until the other player leaves and you come back to the game when he is in the game the next day. You have no reason to quit just because your having a bad day racing 10% + winners in your favor.

Many times when I am playing I have a .5% or 1% advantage and it is a grind but when the days come around that I find something that is 10% or better you can imagine I never leave the game until I can't stay awake. I have been on plays like that doing 20 hour sessions over and over again. You never leave the game because of fluctuations. Of course this goes the same way for me I never leave because I am up 3k for the day and it has only been an hour into my session. I am not playing to win a certain amount. I am playing to make a certain percentage of total coin in which will work its way out within the week/month/year. The more you play the more you win!

[Alan Mendelson]

At Hollywood Park casino there are often these all in blind players who show up at the $100 and $200 buy in games. So I know exactly what you're talking about.

The problem becomes risk. Do you call their all in with your AK knowing that by itself it's not a winning hand? And do you risk calling with JJ fearing he will turn over K2 and a K will flop?

When real money is at stake theory sometimes takes a back seat.

Of course this is a rare example, but it actually happened. An all in action player shows up at the $200 buy in game and takes the blinds for four or five hands, and shows he had nothing. On the next hand (hand five or six) he goes all in blind again -- but this time he has FIVE callers. The cards are flipped, and Mr All In shows cowboys, hits a king on the flop and laughs... and the table is broken.

Sh-t happens.

[mickeycrimm]

Rand Paul is leading the charge in Congress on changing the civil asset forfeiture laws. But Jeff Sessions just gave law enforcement the greenlight to go after the money again. Clarence Thomas has voiced his concerns about civil asset forfeiture saying there have been eggregious abuses. There was a case recently that gained publicity in Wyoming where the cops took $90,000 from someone. A Wyoming judge ordered the return of the money.

[Alan Mendelson]

Was it an accused drug dealer or a gambler?
Exactly how many cases involve gamblers going to and from casinos?

[MisterV]

Was it an accused drug dealer or a gambler?

The victim was NOT a gambler; said he earned the money over time doing various things, but kept the cash hidden in a speaker (?) WTF?

Weird facts.

[monet]

Sh-t happens.

Since you decided to not understand or accept my poker analogy I will try one more attempt with you. I am currently painting my walls and having a conversation with my wall that is pretty interesting so I will try to make this quick so I can get back to my wall.

Let us pretend for an example that you and I are going to flip a quarter every day and we can quit whenever we want each day. This will not be a trick quarter and no monkey business what so ever. It will just be you and I flipping a quarter and each time it lands on Heads I will pay you 110 dollars. Each time the quarter lands on Tails you will pay me 100 dollars. Now let us pretend for the first two weeks of the year you are beating me out of 8000 dollars. On day 15 you are having a really bad run and you have given back the 8000 dollars to me plus another 500 so you are down 500 for the year. Are you going to stop flipping this quarter with me because you are down 8500 for the day? I mean you have the edge every time we flip. Wouldn't you want to flip this quarter with me 24 hours a day 7 days a week until the end of time? The same goes for someone who is playing at an advantage in the Casino. No matter the fluctuations of being up or down each day we know that in the end we will make so much per hour, per month, per year. We also know the more we play the more we make in the way of all the extras go along.

[MisterV]

Alan believes that the long run does not apply to him, as he only plays in the present, i.e. in the short run; the future is too far away to worry about, right, Alan?

[Alan Mendelson]

I don't have enough for the long run, sorry.

[Alan Mendelson]

Sh-t happens.

Since you decided to not understand or accept my poker analogy I will try one more attempt with you. I am currently painting my walls and having a conversation with my wall that is pretty interesting so I will try to make this quick so I can get back to my wall.

Let us pretend for an example that you and I are going to flip a quarter every day and we can quit whenever we want each day. This will not be a trick quarter and no monkey business what so ever. It will just be you and I flipping a quarter and each time it lands on Heads I will pay you 110 dollars. Each time the quarter lands on Tails you will pay me 100 dollars. Now let us pretend for the first two weeks of the year you are beating me out of 8000 dollars. On day 15 you are having a really bad run and you have given back the 8000 dollars to me plus another 500 so you are down 500 for the year. Are you going to stop flipping this quarter with me because you are down 8500 for the day? I mean you have the edge every time we flip. Wouldn't you want to flip this quarter with me 24 hours a day 7 days a week until the end of time? The same goes for someone who is playing at an advantage in the Casino. No matter the fluctuations of being up or down each day we know that in the end we will make so much per hour, per month, per year. We also know the more we play the more we make in the way of all the extras go along.

Gosh, I hate to disappoint you but I wouldn't bet $100 on the flip of a coin. This is probably why I hate blackjack. I hate the idea of losing my bet based on the flip of a card. Ironically I'll accept the roll of two dice, but that's something I've grown to accept. I just hate coin flips and card flips, and $100 per decision is too much for me.

[kewlJ]

Sh-t happens.

Since you decided to not understand or accept my poker analogy I will try one more attempt with you.

Was THIS a surprise to you, monet? Welcome to the world of trying to deal with Alan Mendelson.