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[monet]

You only got one example?
You are way behind.
Hint, here is some public knowledge.
Ask yourself what CDC originall stood for.

And then listen to GWAE regarding the Revel Loss rebate.

Funny... I come up with only small examples but my knowledge is in question, like I don't know Jack!? I try to make subtle, simple points.
I don't want to type out story after story after story of what has and hasn't been done or what can and can't be done.
This is sort of like how I tell the story about how I was playing at Slots of Fun on a 2% play but...
I don't tell everyone how we were across the street at the Rivera stealing thousands upon thousands during the same time period.

[monet]

double post

[kewlJ]

Let us not forget that the Wiz decided to break down the Plaza Tax Day play for 2017 on the 5 dollar machines they had. He broke the play down to the decimal and needless to say those machines were ripped out for the promotion and future plays in general.

No...I haven't forgot. If I remember correctly he stated the promotion was worth XXX.XX amount of dollars per hour.

I think he knows he screwed up on that one. Admitting he screwed up is not one of Mike's strong points as I have learned.

And as bad as that one was, and it was a pretty big and obvious screw up, I don't think that was intentional either. That was just a math guy, so eagar to show off his mathematic smarts. "Oh this promo is worth xxx.xx per hour". I don't think he knew the damage until it was done. I don't know....maybe I am giving him too much credit, too much benefit of the doubt. That is sometimes my nature.

Anyway, I am done defending and picking on Wizard. But I think we should give him a little benefit of doubt....after all this may not even be his home planet. Maybe they do things differently up at Wizatron.

[AxelWolf]

I am NOT going to lump Michael Shackleford with the likes of A Bob Dancer. Although I am not a big machine player, what I know of Dancer, I would compare more to Elliot in that he intentionally, maybe vindictively has done some treasonous things.

Your story of Mike and the sportsbook, exemplifies that he sometimes does and says things that end up hurting AP's (in the case of your story...himself), but I don't think intentionally or vindictively. It's just he has a bit of Gomer Pyle in him. Sometimes doesn't realize what he is doing or saying. I also happen to think he just doesn't understand how powerful a comment or review of a promotion FROM HIM, can be and just what the consequences can be.

I happen to think that Mike was responsible for the early shutdown of the Colorado blackjack opportunity last year that many of us were hitting hard. He sort of inadvertently mentioned it and that he would have more to say "later" and within a day or two, rules where changed cutting out most of the benefit of the play. I was playing a table that got shut down as I was playing...the day after he made the comment.

NOPE, not true, it's allready been discussed and he was not the cuprtate. There was some first hand information and it had nothing to do with Mike. When you say many of us were hitting it hard, who is US? IIRC you hit it lighly(didn't you leave and then go back?.) Searisouly, How long did you expect that to last?


I DONT LIKE MIKE OR ANYONE TALKIG ABOUT ANY PLAYS OR AP. I WILL NOT DEFEND ANYONE FOR GIVEING OUT TMI. I dont like him exposing good ways to play variouse promotions. He knows I am veimatly agianst the sharing of information publicly and its something we will never see eye to eye on.

Once agian, for the record. I dont share good information with Mike and he knows this. He's always complaining no one ever shares any information with him.

I have noticed he has not been exposing stuff for a while. Lets hope it stays that way.
There have been some good plays that I know he knew about and they went the full time, so I am confident he's not out there helping casinos in regards to AP.

[AxelWolf]

You only got one example?
You are way behind.
Hint, here is some public knowledge.
Ask yourself what CDC originall stood for.

And then listen to GWAE regarding the Revel Loss rebate.

Funny... I come up with only small examples but my knowledge is in question, like I don't know Jack!? I try to make subtle, simple points.
I don't want to type out story after story after story of what has and hasn't been done or what can and can't be done.
This is sort of like how I tell the story about how I was playing at Slots of Fun on a 2% play but...
I don't tell everyone how we were across the street at the Rivera stealing thousands upon thousands during the same time period.

NO, that was not a slight at you whatsoever, I know you know more, TRUST ME, THAT WAS NOT MY POINT. It was just a leed-in is all.

[kewlJ]

When you say many of us were hitting it hard, who is US? IIRC you hit it lighly(didn't you leave and then go back?.) Searisouly, How long did you expect that to last?

You are correct Sherlock, I personally didn't hit it all that hard. I made two trips, AND my results weren't even that good for my limited play. That's why I was hoping for a bit more time. But my brother (BJ partner) was hitting it pretty hard. He was camped out in Colorado (but moving around) for a while. Nice to know that you are keeping track of my where-abouts. If I go missing, someone should just ask Axel where I am or was last.

Boy this is like an AP, good old fashion airing of family differences (that is supposed to occur on Festivus). I'll bet "barney" is enjoying it.

I take responsibility. All because I made a joke that Mike looked like a space Alien.

[AxelWolf]

geez...you have put me in the position of defending Mike and I can assure you I am not on the payroll. I am not even on the forum.

Let us not forget that the Wiz decided to break down the Plaza Tax Day play for 2017 on the 5 dollar machines they had. He broke the play down to the decimal and needless to say those machines were ripped out for the promotion and future plays in general. They no longer exist. He received a tidal wave of backlash for that publicly and in private messages. You think this type of person isn't helping his employer when asked?

I'm not sure what that means or who that's directed at. For the record, I have not taken a loan from anyone since I was young and only then for small amounts. I guess there have been a few times where I asked someone I know well to front me a few hundred until the next day if I ran out of money for some reason. Or perhaps there's a crazy poker game I'm not prepared for and going home to get cash would cost you a seat or just be a pain in the ass. Hell, they are more than likely holding some of my money from a previous play that hasn't been settled up yet.

I don't say people are nice or jerks because they loan or don't loan money. I do know I'm owed a significant amount of money from making loans. Most of it I will never get back.

I have no financial motivation for being friends with anyone.

Fair Enough... I stand corrected and apologize for anything you found offensive.
I guess I am the only person in the world who has friends or defends them for monetary motivation.
I am the only one who allies myself with people who can help me in the long run and make things advantageous for both parties.
What do you expect from a criminal?

And it worked out like a charm for us. The machine got shut down. Him and Dancer didnt figure out what was what even better plays, so now, less people showed up thinking the place was a bust.

[AxelWolf]

. If I go missing, someone should just ask Axel where I am or was last. .

NO, I don't go into them types of places

[kewlJ]

And it worked out like a charm for us.

I guess that's all that really matters (to you) isn't it?

Now come to think of it, wasn't there another incident in which you were suspended? Something about someone was revealing something, some sort of play, and you and someone else, (another AP), wanted them to keep quiet and Mike suspended YOU? Refresh my memory.

There is more of these than I remember and in most cases Mike wasn't acting in the best interests of AP's.

[kewlJ]

NO, I don't go into them types of places

Oh you stopped? New Years resolution?

[AxelWolf]

NO, I don't go into them types of places

Oh you stopped? New Years resolution?

Well ya, Its hard following you around everywhere while being all fauxmo without being caught. I didn't realize there were so many of them types of locations.

Oh shit, I forgot I need to use my little girly emoji that you are so fond of.

[kewlJ]

Well ya, Its hard following you around everywhere while being all fauxmo without being caught. I didn't realize there were so many of them types of locations.

I wouldn't know. I don't drink much anymore, but a couple beers at home on a Sunday afternoon.

The last time I went to a gay bar was probably 2-3 years ago, just after my brother moved to town. 4 of us were at Orleans for Dinner and afterwards went to Charlie's, Western themed a block away. We wanted to see how long before my brother realized there were no girls. He realized pretty quickly (good eyes....will come in handy tracking two blackjack tables ), so we were ready to leave, but then he started playing darts and then pool and we were there like 3 hours. And before you say anything....no...he's definitely not! He is all about pussy.

[monet]

Boy this is like an AP, good old fashion airing of family differences (that is supposed to occur on Festivus). I'll bet "barney" is enjoying it.

I take responsibility. All because I made a joke that Mike looked like a space Alien.

No doubt that you started it. What I find interesting is for weeks now I have heard you say nothing but negative things about MS or crying about being banned unfairly.
I come along pointing out some small truths about him and you start to defend him like your BFF's and you follow that with I don't want to defend or attack the Wiz anymore... let's stop guys!

Edit: This site is better with more AP's antagonizing each other anyway. I know I check in more today compared to the last month.

[kewlJ]

What I find interesting is for weeks now I have heard you say nothing but negative things about MS or crying about being banned unfairly.
I come along pointing out some small truths about him and you start to defend him like your BFF's and you follow that with I don't want to defend or attack the Wiz anymore... let's stop guys!

I don't think this is true. Yeah, I took a little shot recently, but I haven't been crying for weeks. I am trying to move on....how am I doing? If you wanted to hear me crying....you should have been on GamblingForums last year.

If you have the need to point out "some small truths"....go for it! Don't let me stop you.

As a matter of fact...if we are airing greivances against the space alien guy, I have a couple new ones.

How about this one: In December amongst (<- a word?) a rash of banned sock puppets joining the site, Mr. Mike announced a new policy. That sockpuppets identified as former banned members would not only be banned but their posts removed. So you remember that thread where the guy tried to doxx me by using my name and requesting if anyone had a picture of me, or knew where I lived or phone number? So in that thread, a new member "horse" shows up trashing me and mickeycrimm and maybe someone else from here, but mainly me. A couple different posts of attacking me.

So 'over-moderator' BBB, identifies "horse" as Rob Singer and bans his sock puppet account. But guess what..the new policy of removing posts isn't implemented. Coincidence that it is me, so the attack posts aren't removed? So, one of the good citizen members of WoV, a member named Axelwolf, brought it to the attention that Horse's attack posts had not been removed as per the policy. BBB responded that she didn't have the authority to follow the new announced policy. (Does that seem strange?) And would wait for Mike who was out of town to return.

So Mr Mike has been back several weeks now, and still his own policy not implemented, because hell the attacks are of me, who he doesn't like. It's just like when I was banned....there was no rule, so he made up a rule. (Normally we don't consider....BUT....). In this case he has a rule, but is chosing not to enforce, because it is me.

So yeah, I've got gripes still. What's the point? I mean if you are going to allow doxxing of a fellow AP, I guess anything goes.

[RS__]

How about this one: In December amongst (<- a word?) a rash of banned sock puppets joining the site, Mr. Mike announced a new policy. That sockpuppets identified as former banned members would not only be banned but their posts removed. So you remember that thread where the guy tried to doxx me by using my name and requesting if anyone had a picture of me, or knew where I lived or phone number? So in that thread, a new member "horse" shows up trashing me and mickeycrimm and maybe someone else from here, but mainly me. A couple different posts of attacking me.

So 'over-moderator' BBB, identifies "horse" as Rob Singer and bans his sock puppet account. But guess what..the new policy of removing posts isn't implemented. Coincidence that it is me, so the attack posts aren't removed? So, one of the good citizen members of WoV, a member named Axelwolf, brought it to the attention that Horse's attack posts had not been removed as per the policy. BBB responded that she didn't have the authority to follow the new announced policy. (Does that seem strange?) And would wait for Mike who was out of town to return.

So Mr Mike has been back several weeks now, and still his own policy not implemented, because hell the attacks are of me, who he doesn't like. It's just like when I was banned....there was no rule, so he made up a rule. (Normally we don't consider....BUT....). In this case he has a rule, but is chosing not to enforce, because it is me.

So yeah, I've got gripes still. What's the point? I mean if you are going to allow doxxing of a fellow AP, I guess anything goes.

Bruh, give credit where credit is due.

https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/info...08/#post620472

IIRC, wasn't there some new rule or some such where sockpuppet accounts get their posts deleted? Idk if that was meant for all situations or only specific situations, but wouldn't that apply to horse's posts?

I'm with you on the opinion the posts by horse should be deleted, but I don't think it's due to bias against you.

[kewlJ]

Bruh, give credit where credit is due.

I'm with you on the opinion the posts by horse should be deleted, but I don't think it's due to bias against you.

I will do that. Thank you kind sir. Let the record show it was RS that brought it to the attention of over-moderator (except in this case) BBB, not Axelwolf. I remembered incorrectly. My bad. Sometimes I think you guys are interchangeable.

I mean it is buried now. But it was allowed to sit there for days while the thread was fresh, with attacks when just a week before the new rule was made. That is a mighty big coincidence.

Thread will probably rise again at some point when the next young guy comes along claiming that I influenced him to come to Vegas and pursue card counting and he has lost all his money. That seems to be the way it is going.

[AxelWolf]

No one missdirected anyone. People just missed stuff.

$5 better in theory but as you said the waiting time was not good. I would rather have multiple machines going.

Yes more people would have been there. Hell the WOV meet up was in town at the time.

[tableplay]

I for one do not like players or people like the Wiz or Bob Dancer or other sorts that work both sides of the fence.

Proof positive that Dancer is doing this. Check this out:
http://www.cdcgamingreports.com/comm...eo-poker-team/

[redietz]

I for one do not like players or people like the Wiz or Bob Dancer or other sorts that work both sides of the fence.

Proof positive that Dancer is doing this. Check this out:
http://www.cdcgamingreports.com/comm...eo-poker-team/

Dancer should retire and call it a career and keep his mouth shut, or somebody should shut it for him.

[tableplay]

I for one do not like players or people like the Wiz or Bob Dancer or other sorts that work both sides of the fence.

Proof positive that Dancer is doing this. Check this out:
http://www.cdcgamingreports.com/comm...eo-poker-team/

Dancer should retire and call it a career and keep his mouth shut, or somebody should shut it for him.

Agreed - I'm surprised it hasn't happened already.