Realizing what is being presented

[Glenbaccarat9]

Wrong boars to discuss real gambling with money management and play strategies...... I see.

[Glenbaccarat9]

Obviously wrong board to attempt gambling discussions. Thanks.....

[Glenbaccarat9]

See no one is interested in discussion real money management and a actual play strategies etc. lol only degrade each other...... sorry wasted you time!!

[MisterV]

What's there to discuss, other than the foibles of each other?

[mickeycrimm]

Wrong board, to many AP's here, to hold a discussion on beating a negative expectation game.

[pepe]

Phil Ivey and Kelly Sun found a winning strategy

[Bill Yung]

Wrong board, to many AP's here, to hold a discussion on beating a negative expectation game.

Now that WWIII, which lasted a whole minute here, is over, perhaps we can get back on with the negative (fun) games.

[monet]

Obviously wrong board to attempt gambling discussions. Thanks.....

See no one is interested in discussion real money management and a actual play strategies etc. lol only degrade each other...... sorry wasted you time!!

I don't think this is the wrong board but I certainly am not interested in hearing how you win all the time by martingale and progressing your bets. I am not really interested in hearing how you have to quit playing because you won over your stop win or you lost too much and have to stop till tomorrow. I mean you are free to tell us all how easy it is and how it makes you millions of dollars if that is what you want to do.

Now since your game of choice is Baccarat... I do have interest. I think that most players in the know will agree that this game is one of the biggest and best to run crews through and cheat the Casino out of boat loads of cash. If you have stories or you need a new member for your crew I am interested in joining. I would prefer the dealers and pit bosses to be in on it as well and I would really like to learn that aspect of Big Bacc!!

They also have these new computer systems set up with Dragon Baccarat or whatever they call it. I am sure that can be glitched or beat in some way as well. Dealers setting the decks in some way with less heat over there perhaps. When I worked for the MGM we used to have to watch movies of how they cheated in Baccarat... great movies/information. You should of seen how fast some of the dealers could flip a deck and set it... ice water in the veins I tell you!

What's there to discuss, other than the foibles of each other?

My sword blade is not nearly as weak as others.

[Bill Yung]

When I worked for the MGM we used to have to watch movies of how they cheated in Baccarat... great movies/information.

How about movies of the dumb card counters?

My sword blade is not nearly as weak as others.

How about your capacity for BS?

[monet]

How about movies of the dumb card counters?

How about your capacity for BS?

No they never had classes on those. It was always classes on cheats and movies about what cheaters did from the surveillance tapes. It seemed that changing decks from purses were easier and faster. The key marker was that the bets would go from minimum to maximum in a blink but usually employees are in on it in one way or another. Just recently a crew was caught and arrested for paying off the wrong denomination in chips. That crew ran for months on end before getting caught. I have no problem with this type of activity but I just wish people would take a page from my playbook and realize that it is better to get out early and clean compared to keep pushing it.

I suppose that you could say I am Full of Sheet. I come from a long line of BS'ers I suppose but I have never lied on an internet gambling forum. Every post I have ever posted on here or WoV has either been from my own personal real life experience or information on plays that are real world. Most of them are usually over and done with but I have posted up current, decent information for grinding type of plays. I certainly share more real useful information for free on these sites compared to the bulk of posters. I usually get the PM from the players who know what is going on, asking me to delete the information or asking me why would I post that!?

Edit: Interesting note about my style. I post because I enjoy the discussion and banter. At times I enjoy stirring the pot or watching the pot get stirred. However I have never been on these sites trying to sell anything or make a profit from my information. I have been independent in gaming for over 20 years and I like it that way. I did have a friend who I used to run with and we chopped many plays together but that is over for the time being, now almost 2 years. I always like the idea of meeting APs from these sites and working together but I can never really commit to it. I want to but I guess I have been solo for so long that I just feel more comfortable by myself. I don't really have anything big to share or trade so when these guys ask me to trade I feel like I don't have the information. I also refuse to travel outside of Vegas and have a House, Dogs and Family to take care of so that is why it is better and easier not to get involved in team play for me. In the last year I haven't found anything huge. I only found a few places that were giving huge mail but most players don't have the time and energy or belief to get involved and since your money is on the backside it can be more risky to get left hanging in the wind. Anyways, for the most part, I think I know what I am doing and talking about and I am sorry that you feel that I am some sort of a Bull Sh--er.

[monet]

Obviously wrong board to attempt gambling discussions. Thanks.....

See no one is interested in discussion real money management and a actual play strategies etc. lol only degrade each other...... sorry wasted you time!!

I haven't given it much time but where are you? Can you help me get on a crew that is going to make moves against the Casino in Baccarat? What happened to the other sarcastic remarks? I swear nobody ever willing to help a Grifter out around here! I guess this is the wrong board to attempt to get on the inside.

[Bill Yung]

I swear nobody ever willing to help a Grifter out around here! I guess this is the wrong board to attempt to get on the inside.

Just keep typing. You'll feel at home in no time!

[Glenbaccarat9]

I never said nor do I believe a casino game of any type can be literally 'beat'. Sure all expereinced players have their niches that work at times and at other times will not, even though some claim their tricks of the trade, work all the time or nearly all the time. I have been playing baccarat pretty steady since Atlantic City from around 1980 or so. In the past 10 years I have truly learned what it really takes to profit and prevail and it has nothing to do with systems--supersititons--trends or patterns or anything of the like. It is truly with forms of money management, individual psychology, knowing the extreme variance of the game, keeping and compunding larger wins once they happen without any risk of getting back into your buy-in amounts etc. I have seen hundreds of thousand of dollars lost and won at the tables in short periods of time.

The biggest thing in baccarat is the false ability we instill upon ourselves by reading the board, believing in superstitions that actaully might work for a short period of time and letting other influence us at the tables. But it is really no different than most other businesses or sports. Almost all the failure I do observe is caused by the indiviual player and not by the casino or the game itself.

I started into detail and than earased it becuase of the comments and the direction you guys were taking with what I said. I did develop certain money management techniques that never failure once i start winning unlike the way others and I myself used to play years ago. I also developed side wagers of my own that have profited me on a huge scale without the risk of any of my original buy-in money at the table. By side wagers I am referring to my '1 + 4 side parlay', etc. I call it a 'side wager' becuase I use those along with my regular wagering bets. The bottom line is that there are numerous things a player can do to assure he doesn't give up his buy-in if he won a few hands as well as not giving back the entire amount of his win money, once he started to win. There are also other huge factors a player can instill in his play to stick to his levels and plateaus of play without getting that pompous, "I will smack the casino and hurt them mentality" that breaks the player every single time.

To me, knowing and sticking to my levels and platueas, my money management things, my wagering techniques has allowed me to win large volumes over what I lose. Like I said in the original posts. I win about 7 or 8 sessions out of 10 or 11 sessions. I have strict and concrete buy-ins and a stedfast rule of never buying in a second time once a buy-in was lost. My development of a system that multiplys and divides my win wagers allows me to progress without any risk to my original buy-in. By applying my levels and plateaus to those wins allows my wins to benefit me and not the casino. These are the things I have learned and allow me to profit at the game. Nothing to do with beating the game through mechincal systems, trending, pattersn, supersituions, guessing, etc. Those that have been beat down will of course be ultra negative to anything becuase they have been beat down, simple. And yes, the difference between myb wins and my losses in any group of sessions, have the wins in far excess of the losses. The whole key to it is the amoutn of your buy-ins, no repeated buy-ins if lost, and remaining at your same level and plateau without attmepting to climb each time their is a win at the end of a session. Also how you divide up your win money.

Those are the things I was bringing out in my thread with pictures and proof of my play (as much as could be presented anyways on the internet) without claiming I beat the game or referring to any type of mechnical systems, etc. Which do not work, never worked and will never prevail for a player

I hope that explains it.

[Bill Yung]

Those that have been beat down will of course be ultra negative to anything becuase they have been beat down, simple.

I've heard this before on here, but from the AP's.

Don't you think it's possible for the downtrodden among us at the casinos to be happy, regardless? Or for the ones who don't attend casino to be miserable, regardless? Perhaps, you threw this out as another reason not to get into what it is that makes you such a long-term winner at the casinos, in anticipation of being flamed for it here.

On an unrelated note, I wonder that Victor will get his forum back up. I know that you are lead poster there now. Not too many years ago, it was a beehive of activity with many offshoots. All mostly gone now. Started with three guys from different countries who all love roulette. The turning point came when Victor made deals behind the others' backs.

[MisterV]

I suppose that you could say I am Full of Sheet.

Cheat.

You're full of cheat.

[Glenbaccarat9]

You know Mickeycrimm, your statement where you said, ref: "beating a negative expectation game", which by the way I NEVER SAID, reminds me so much of the people of Montana. I moved to extreme eastern Montana in 2002 and alomst everyone was saying, you will never make it here--you are from NYC or you are laundering drug or illegal money and you stand out like a sore thumb the feds will find you, or like the small community bank I deposited $40,000.00 cash into when I bought an exisiting business and house there in a small town. People spread rumors I was in the witness protection program or a fugitive. People would actually call either the Sheriff's Dept or the Hwy Patrol in the same town almost weekly. They both had my fingerprints and my name was run through Montana, North Dakota and NCIC yearly anyways becuase of contracts I had with them, etc. People's minds play games on them and get them to go down paths they really have no business or concern or need to. The banker took the cash, called the Sheriff's Department and eventually filed a STR, along with the required CTR. I had no problem with my funds, paid taxes, sold another business and house in NYC/NJ, etc., the county prosceuter was my attorney there in Montana for the two real estate closings and setting up the new buiness paperwork and corporations, etc. But that talk lingered for a good few years. Almost none of the local business that was regular customers of the previous local business owner remained as my customers. I really did not need them becuase I turned the place into a national customer database of clients since it was right on the interstate.

Regarding the small town banker at the single branch community bank. About one year went by and one day the president of the largest bank in Montana that also had a branch in that smae small town, comes by my place. Introduces himself. Asks me if the other bank is doing everythign I need. I told him what I just wrote here. He laughed and said, that is small town mentality. I know you are hard working, I can see it, people tell me, you live one black away from my house, you are never there, your always working. Switch to my bank. I will give you a 6 figure credit line, finance trucks for you, help you, etc., etc. The rest is history. I was very successful in many ways in what I did in such an extremely remote place, probably one of the most remote place in the country I think. Turns out, that banker was not born and raised in that small town, he was from the northwest actually. He always told me, he looks, observes and treats each situation with what is presenting itself. LOL, great advise---even for gamblers. Gambling is also very representative of other businesses and good business ideas, etc. And regarding the local small town banker, he never once asked me if I needed anything, invited me in his office, etc., zip---nothing.

I became freinds with law enforcement as they contrated with my business anyways as I was the only one with the type of heavy equipment and heavy specialized services they needed in Eastern Montana as well as Western North Dakota, LOL. But the mentality of the people that DO NOT know you resemble exactly what you said! Gotta love it! Same as gambling.

Everything worth anything in most things is presentment and what it actually is, not perceived, not history, not dreamsville, not what someone else says it should be or is going to be, not what another person makes up and so on. Presentment--Reality--Actual Events Happening.

[monet]

Cheat.

You're full of cheat.

This comment is so good I only disgrace you by quoting it and commenting about it. Well done MisterV! I'm not worthy, I'm not worthy, I'm not worthy...

[MisterV]

Of course you're worthy, Monet.

Go ask Alice.

[mickeycrimm]

You know Mickeycrimm, your statement where you said, ref: "beating a negative expectation game", which by the way I NEVER SAID, reminds me so much of the people of Montana. I moved to extreme eastern Montana in 2002 and alomst everyone was saying, you will never make it here--you are from NYC or you are laundering drug or illegal money and you stand out like a sore thumb the feds will find you, or like the small community bank I deposited $40,000.00 cash into when I bought an exisiting business and house there in a small town. People spread rumors I was in the witness protection program or a fugitive. People would actually call either the Sheriff's Dept or the Hwy Patrol in the same town almost weekly. They both had my fingerprints and my name was run through Montana, North Dakota and NCIC yearly anyways becuase of contracts I had with them, etc. People's minds play games on them and get them to go down paths they really have no business or concern or need to. The banker took the cash, called the Sheriff's Department and eventually filed a STR, along with the required CTR. I had no problem with my funds, paid taxes, sold another business and house in NYC/NJ, etc., the county prosceuter was my attorney there in Montana for the two real estate closings and setting up the new buiness paperwork and corporations, etc. But that talk lingered for a good few years. Almost none of the local business that was regular customers of the previous local business owner remained as my customers. I really did not need them becuase I turned the place into a national customer database of clients since it was right on the interstate.

Regarding the small town banker at the single branch community bank. About one year went by and one day the president of the largest bank in Montana that also had a branch in that smae small town, comes by my place. Introduces himself. Asks me if the other bank is doing everythign I need. I told him what I just wrote here. He laughed and said, that is small town mentality. I know you are hard working, I can see it, people tell me, you live one black away from my house, you are never there, your always working. Switch to my bank. I will give you a 6 figure credit line, finance trucks for you, help you, etc., etc. The rest is history. I was very successful in many ways in what I did in such an extremely remote place, probably one of the most remote place in the country I think. Turns out, that banker was not born and raised in that small town, he was from the northwest actually. He always told me, he looks, observes and treats each situation with what is presenting itself. LOL, great advise---even for gamblers. Gambling is also very representative of other businesses and good business ideas, etc. And regarding the local small town banker, he never once asked me if I needed anything, invited me in his office, etc., zip---nothing.

I became freinds with law enforcement as they contrated with my business anyways as I was the only one with the type of heavy equipment and heavy specialized services they needed in Eastern Montana as well as Western North Dakota, LOL. But the mentality of the people that DO NOT know you resemble exactly what you said! Gotta love it! Same as gambling.

Everything worth anything in most things is presentment and what it actually is, not perceived, not history, not dreamsville, not what someone else says it should be or is going to be, not what another person makes up and so on. Presentment--Reality--Actual Events Happening.

You were in either Wibaux or Glendive. So they thought you were a bad guy? Small towns have their idiosyncracies. If you would have located to Jordan they would have thought you were an undercover G-Man and killed you.

[Glenbaccarat9]

Mickey, You are absolutey correct! Lol! I did go to Jordan numerous times or through it. I swear i saw somebody jump on a 2 way radio when i entered that town and then i was followed until i completed what i had to do. Eventually the Garfield county sheriff's dept would call me from time to time to handle things they had no local service to cover, interesting people there. This was not long after their 3 month armed standoff. Early 2000's. Lol.