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Thread: Survey: Do you think its possible to make a sucessful living via AP full time yes/no

  1. #61
    are you good enough to go to a machine cold...one you never played, and be above average or do u need practice

  2. #62
    Originally Posted by Bill Yung View Post
    https://www.gamblingsites.org/blog/7...casino-player/

    Authors or literature in support of? Is there a quantitative, yes or no answer?

    Interesting article. While the author focuses on some the negatives associated with being an advantage player, I didn’t find the article to be extremely biased. It WAS an article about the negatives, so that's what he focused on. I would say the positives are similar to many forms of self employment. Own boss, Own hours, hopefully doing something you enjoy. Pros and cons...people need to weigh them and find out what is right for them.

    I would like to address a couple things from a card counter /gringer AP perspective, if that's ok.

    Reason 1: Travel. He mentioned travel, but in a very general sense. There’s a lot of travel. There are many occupations that require a good deal of travel. Some people like this. They enjoy hotels and restaurants and and seeing new places everyday. For these people travel might be a plus. For me it wasn’t. So I found a way to minimize travel and still pursue card counting advantage play. For many problems there is a solution, if you look for it.

    Reason 2: The grind. I assume most people interested know AP and particularly card counting is a grind and not the glamour higher roller, high end comped suits portrayed in the movies. But for a few people that like to comment on facets of AP, when they have no clue about it, I want to pull a couple quotes. My comments with be in Blue print following each quote to distinguish.

    “but when you gamble the rewards aren’t consistent. Some days you might still lose money and these streaks can last for a week or longer.” Actually the author is being modest. The streaks can last for months.

    “This sounds pretty good, but the swings can be large like I mentioned above. Some days will be profitable but others will still be losers”.
    some days will be losers….like to the tune of $8800 or even more

    Reason 3: The Swings. I don’t know why he made a separate section since he talked about the swings in reason 2, but there are a few more interesting quotes.

    “When you’re working with a small edge the nature of gambling is that sometimes you win and sometimes you lose” like to the tune of $8800. (note: I added an 's' to the authors 'mall edge'. I think I should mention that I changed something, but I hope we can all agree he meant small edge and not mall edge)

    “This creates a situation where you may be forced to play through a downswing in your bankroll or several hundred or thousands before things turn your way.” Did he say thousands with an s? Did he say "play through" or did he say stop playing when you reach a certain 'stop limit'?

    “The only way to combat this is to completely understand the numbers, be 100% sure your systems works, and have a big enough bankroll to ride out the swings.”

    Enough said. This is common knowledge. I am just wondering why I don’t see any mention of voodoo money management techniques like ‘stop limits’. The answer of course is you keep playing. You need a bankroll big enough to ride out the swings, but you keep playing....because you have an advantage.

    Last edited by kewlJ; 01-18-2018 at 03:30 PM.

  3. #63
    Originally Posted by LarryS View Post
    are you good enough to go to a machine cold...one you never played, and be above average or do u need practice
    Yes, even playing one I have never played before.

    The first time I played and got into the bonus round on the Texas Tee pinball I cleared all 3 levels. The 2nd time didn't go so well on the 3rd level.

    I would be willing to bet on myself VS random people on random pinball machines. I wouldn't want to hang around arcades asking people if they want to bet 1k on a pinball game, because I have to assume that most anyone willing to take you up on that offer would probably be fairly good at pinball.

    I would be willing to bet on myself VS random people on chess, poker and pool as well. And no, thats not an open invitation to wager on any of them games vs members. Most people are only going to play you for money if they know they are fairly good at somthing.

  4. #64
    This is Barney

    Between the LID and myself, we make the greatest amounts of money at casino. I track the LID's playing of the craps over last 20 years and depending on bouncyness of table his edge at the craps ranges from +.01 to +.03. LID also plays the VP but is net negative but it has provided us with the greatest rooms, food, and dates. Using the Mickey's greatest insights into the slut machine devices I have begun to watch, wait, and play when the sluts become favorable over last year and I am net positive although I can not now track the LID's play at the craps. We also have greatest AP play which only work at the river boat casino. However, since 2007 the craps have became very hard for the LID so I sell on the eBay skunkhat and DI goat coats to supplement our AP monies.


    Thank you very much

  5. #65
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    Originally Posted by LarryS View Post
    are you good enough to go to a machine cold...one you never played, and be above average or do u need practice
    Yes, even playing one I have never played before.

    The first time I played and got into the bonus round on the Texas Tee pinball I cleared all 3 levels. The 2nd time didn't go so well on the 3rd level.

    I would be willing to bet on myself VS random people on random pinball machines. I wouldn't want to hang around arcades asking people if they want to bet 1k on a pinball game, because I have to assume that most anyone willing to take you up on that offer would probably be fairly good at pinball.

    I would be willing to bet on myself VS random people on chess, poker and pool as well. And no, thats not an open invitation to wager on any of them games vs members. Most people are only going to play you for money if they know they are fairly good at somthing.
    thats a skill

    and thats not me....never had that knack. it took me a while to master.

  6. #66
    Originally Posted by Barney View Post
    This is Barney
    No, he's a make believe cartoon character, whereas you are a make believe sock puppet.

    "I love you, you love me ..."
    Last edited by MisterV; 01-19-2018 at 08:36 AM.
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  7. #67
    Originally Posted by LarryS View Post
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    Originally Posted by LarryS View Post
    are you good enough to go to a machine cold...one you never played, and be above average or do u need practice
    Yes, even playing one I have never played before.

    The first time I played and got into the bonus round on the Texas Tee pinball I cleared all 3 levels. The 2nd time didn't go so well on the 3rd level.

    I would be willing to bet on myself VS random people on random pinball machines. I wouldn't want to hang around arcades asking people if they want to bet 1k on a pinball game, because I have to assume that most anyone willing to take you up on that offer would probably be fairly good at pinball.

    I would be willing to bet on myself VS random people on chess, poker and pool as well. And no, thats not an open invitation to wager on any of them games vs members. Most people are only going to play you for money if they know they are fairly good at somthing.
    thats a skill

    and thats not me....never had that knack. it took me a while to master.
    Although raised in the pool hall, I was never a great shot. Slightly above average. But one day I'm in my college dorm basement playing pinball and some tuff looking guy that clearly wasn't a student is playing pool. Why not--it's free in our basement. No one else there since everyone is in class (I rarely attended). So he keeps asking me to play him for money and I keep declining. Finally he says you put up $10 and I'll give you $200 if you make one ball.

    I say I'll be back in 10 minutes. I go up to my room and get my stick, talcum, etc. When I come back down and he sees this he has a little different look. I was watching him shoot and I knew he could run the table if he had the chance. If you play competitive pool, the first shot is usually safe--you don't just bust em up for the other guy to run. I have a shot which I can make maybe 3 out of ten where you pick off the end ball on the right and bank it back to the far right corner. If I miss, there is still nothing left for him to run unless he can bust em up while making the one loose ball.

    I nailed it. Now I didn't know if I was gonna get the shit kicked out of me, paid, neither, or both. Luckily, it was neither. I knew he wasn't gonna pay me.

  8. #68
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    Originally Posted by regnis View Post

    My father was a pro pool player so I grew up in pool halls playing pinball and pool. When the pin ball machines started to age, my father bought them for next to nothing. So we had a basement full of pin ball machines (and of course a pool table).

    Made a lot of $$$ all through college hustling both. Got 10-1 one time that I could beat a guy with me flipping with my feet. I won.
    IIRC the one I was trying to play was Space Lab from Williams. The guy yelled at me from across the room to stop playing and when I wouldn't, he started to jog towards me and that's when I took off running. He chased me for a block or so and then gave up. I heard there were massive prop bets by poker players on The Addam's Family (Bally 1991) for like $10000 a game at the Commerce Casino in Los Angeles - if you were a good player you could make more money on pinball than poker I guess. I sure hope the physics on the new skill-based virtual pinballs that are starting to hit the casino floors are the same as real pinball . . .
    I never thought about trying to hustle pinball for money. I guess I have never really been around pinball where people had any money or were betting on it. I haven't played a significant amount of pinball, but I have played my fair share as a kid. I figure I'm better than the average person.
    I think my favorite is Elvira.

    When Ahigh had his pinball debut @ G2E, I played about 2 games when I offered to play him for money($50 a game IIRC). We played a few games and I beat him easily. He seemed really pissed off. I offered him or anyone on his team 2 to 1, they all declined. It's too bad he didn't find any success with that game.
    Axel, here is the link to the sequel pinball to Elvira and the Party Monsters which is called Scared Stiff ( ). Since you beat the Texas Tea's first two levels both times you tried it, I would assume the physics on this is good (and for Cleopatra as well since they would use the same physics engine) since you were able to take advantage of your real-world pinball skills in the virtual game. I don't know if Sammy, the Thai sushi chef who worked at Main Street Station still works there (inside the brewery), but he told me they used to wager a lot of money at pinball at Bangkok bars over there. You would probably need some muscle if you wagered there though since it might be gang members who are participating in the prop bets.
    Also if you are good at Space Invaders, you can try those skill based games. I think if you pay $20 you can go right to the bonus round and skip the slot part. It doesn't have a joy stick and I am not good with the touch pad, so I don't really play it.
    I hope that Larry goes to the Santa Cruz boardwalk (assuming he hasn't yet) because they have at least 20 pinball machines there.

  9. #69
    If you play with an edge but you're having a long losing streak do you ever stop and think that maybe you don't really have an edge?

    Now if your edge is based on Match play coupons or a rebate a long losing streak might just be bad luck, or a rigged game. But if your edge is based on seeing hole cards or card counting might you have to reassess?

  10. #70
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    If you play with an edge but you're having a long losing streak do you ever stop and think that maybe you don't really have an edge?


    No.


    Now if your edge is based on Match play coupons or a rebate a long losing streak might just be bad luck, or a rigged game. But if your edge is based on seeing hole cards or card counting might you have to reassess?
    No.

  11. #71
    If you are a moron who does not know how to exploit a comp system and plays video poker, might you need to reassess?

  12. #72
    Originally Posted by Dankyone View Post
    If you are a moron who does not know how to exploit a comp system and plays video poker, might you need to reassess?
    Is this a question for Seven Stars players who fear they're about to lose their free hotel stays? It certainly doesn't apply to me; I've been told my comped rooms will continue.

  13. #73
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Originally Posted by Dankyone View Post
    If you are a moron who does not know how to exploit a comp system and plays video poker, might you need to reassess?
    Is this a question for Seven Stars players who fear they're about to lose their free hotel stays? It certainly doesn't apply to me; I've been told my comped rooms will continue.
    Of course they will. You are a well known big time losing player.

  14. #74
    Originally Posted by Dankyone View Post
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Originally Posted by Dankyone View Post
    If you are a moron who does not know how to exploit a comp system and plays video poker, might you need to reassess?
    Is this a question for Seven Stars players who fear they're about to lose their free hotel stays? It certainly doesn't apply to me; I've been told my comped rooms will continue.
    Of course they will. You are a well known big time losing player.
    That's correct I never had a profitable year gambling. Not even with $100K royals.

  15. #75
    Originally Posted by Dankyone View Post
    Of course they will. You are a well known big time losing player.
    There were some extra letters in your quote, Dankyone. I removed an "ing" and "play". Quote is more accurate now.

    Originally Posted by Dankyone View Post
    Of course they will. You are a well known big time loser.

  16. #76
    No it's impossible I have a sidejob breeding cats to fund my gambling

  17. #77
    I can confirm it's true Maxpen sleeps with a blowup doll of Donald Trump.

    From everything I know about max he's fairly successful and very intelligent. He definitely isn't slumming it. I have never heard him say anything not true or inflated.

    He's willing to lend a helping hand and ask for nothing in return. I'm not just talking about small everyday things ones might help you with. Things that are well above and beyond what most people would(Thank You!). He's always always enjoyable to be around with a good sense of humor. Much respect, much respect!

  18. #78
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    I can confirm it's true Maxpen sleeps with a blowup doll of Donald Trump.
    !
    I don’t think there is too much “sleeping” going on. Wink wink. Anyone will a Trump doll in their bedroom will be too busy beating back all the hot chicks looking to join the party.

  19. #79
    speaking of cat breeding and Trump dolls ...

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