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  1. #21
    About 15 miles from where I live.....in Oakland there is massive makeshift tents in one are along with massive trash lining the streets of one area. Just a feww blocks off of broad street which is a main business thoroughfare . Its asstounding to drive off an exit from the highway,,drive a half mile and see the massive accumulation of trash and filth lining the streets along with the "tents"

    The city is starting to buy tuff sheds......I have one in my nevada home. Of course no running water or electricity. Just a brand of shed that will allow 2 people to sleep and allow the city to remove the massive trash and tents. They are being built on an empty PG&E owned lot. Kind of like sweeping the dirt from one side of a room to another. The city is going to provide a manager and security for the shed village.

  2. #22
    Originally Posted by quahaug View Post
    Originally Posted by MisterV View Post
    Originally Posted by quahaug View Post
    I see hundreds of homes in the video. They're not high end but not everyone lives like Alan after all.
    IIRC, didn't Alan say he has an apartment?
    An opulent apartment.
    I actually live in a modest apartment in a very nice area of town and frankly I never want the upkeep of a house again.

  3. #23
    People who have a good work ethic and are able to work and do work as KJ states, has no business living in certain calfornis cities, new yourk boston, princeton....the list is long. However the list is longer for cities and towns across the country that have a low cost of living and lower sales tax where a dollar goes farther.
    SO KJ...they are homeless...they dont need to get money to get a moving company to move them 1000 miles. They just get on a greyhound and move somewhere that is more suitable to their earning ability. So it IS their fault. There is nothing keeping homeless that are same and can work in san francisco, in NYC, in Oakland, in San Diego. For the folks that KJ talks about.....it is their fault that they are homeless if they can hold down a job and the earnings arent enough to pay for an apartment.
    Then all they have to do is move somewhere where minimum wage WILL pay for an apartment. There are places in this country where minimum wage earners can live.

    There is a casino, just a couple miles from reno called Boomtown. On the way back to california on sunday morning I pass it and they have a lighted electronic billboard with different everchanging messages on it. One said....Room Cleaners 13.00/hr. I was thinking that walmart just announced 11/hour minimum for their company....and this backbreaking work s paying 13.. But if you drive 20 miles outside of reno....you can live for 13 per hour.
    Maybe you can get 16/hr in san francisco...and you couldnt rent a closet with that income.

  4. #24
    Larry, that concept, ship the problem people, whether just lower income, people with mental issue somewhere else, is an often sough solution. Is that REALLY a solution? Again, I don't know the answers. But I don't think shipping the problem elsewhere is the answer, especially from someone who lives in that area and is suggesting shipping the problem elsewhere.

  5. #25
    Rental prices in some areas are crazy. In LA I rented a luxury 1BR with a gym and outdoor pool and one parking space (important) for $1985 a month. Now in an area of Summerlin I'm in a two bedroom, two bath with a gym, outdoor pool and indoor pool with one parking space for $1070 a month. My grocery bill is actually 20-30% lower here because supermarket prices are less. I'll give you an example: I buy these large bottles of Kroger flavored water. In LA the price was 99-cents, but at Smith's in Vegas it's 69-cents. The same Lean Cuisine frozen dinners are 30 to 40 cents less. And premium gas for my Benz is 60 to 70 cents a gallon less than what I pay in LA and I drive to LA about twice a month so I keep up on the price difference.

  6. #26
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    I don't want to play politics, but I hate that republicans on these sites blame everything on the 'liberal democrats' and democrats blame everything on wealthy republicans. There is more than enough blame for both sides on most issues, including this one. I am a registered republican, but consider myself an independent. I voted for Trump once last year (primary) and voted against him once (general). I am socially liberal feeling people should be free to make their own decisions on most social issues and fiscally conservative, thinking the government spends to much of our tax dollars and that includes on the different welfare programs.

    So this situation like most there is plenty of blame for both sides, and some blame that is due to neither. California is far too liberal in welfare benefits in my opinion. This is the fault of Democrats. Welfare was not suppose to be a lifelong 'lifestyle' Welfare was supposed to be a temporary aid to help people get back on their feet.

    On the republican side, the great Ronald Reagan has to take significant blame. As president he cut funding for mental hospitals, opting for a program to intergrade the mentally ill back into society. People forget that he was also governor of California before he became president and implemented that same policy at the state level first. So that bad idea and failed policy, California got two different slaps from Ronald Reagan.

    And some of the homeless are homeless due to no fault of their own. Some of them work fulltime or multiple part-time job and just can't afford to live anywhere in California. Apartments run thousands of dollars in some of these places. How does a low income worker afford that? High cost of living is one of the issues in a place that has high-end job market, like California with the tech industry. There is a greater divide and for people on the lower end, everything is out of reach.

    I don't know what the answers are. But nothing will be accomplished by the traditional 'pass the blame to the other side'.
    It's the usual divide and conquer strategy of the elites - both major US political parties are owned by the same multinational corporations and they want to get the rank and file arguing with on another instead of looking up at the gated communities in the mountains:
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  7. #27
    wo is "shipping" them. You said they are competant workers who dont make enough money to live in high rent areas of the country. So the answer is eaither to move to low rent areas of the country or live on the street. Its a no brainer. If it was me, no one would have to "ship me". I was talking about your homeless where you say its not their fault because they dont earn enough. Well if there are those people out there that you claim exist....they have no one to blame but themselves. Thet should not be living in high rent areas of the country.
    I live in a high rent area of northern Ca.....the median home here is 1.3 mil. We have a supermarket chain that pays around minimum wage just a mile from my home. Should those workers be allowed to live in the streets here because they cant afford the prices.

    Theydont need to be "shipped"....they need to be arrested, and told to find a place to work that supports a living space. You said they work and have some money. So tell them they are not entitled to soil neighborhoods merely because they want to live in a certain area of the country. There are alot of things people want....and sometimes they just cant have them. Thats life.

  8. #28
    We shouldn't allow homelessness. Years ago when I was on the news I did a report about how JUST the money spent to maintain our nuclear weapons would be enough to end the homeless problem.

    Trump was right about one thing: we give away too much foreign aid instead of solving our own problems first.

    Eliminate just a couple jets and see what $80 million can accomplish.

    CORRECTION: Each F-35 is $160-million. And the Pentagon wants more than 2,000 of them??????

  9. #29
    Originally Posted by LarryS View Post
    Theydont need to be "shipped"....they need to be arrested, and told to find a place to work that supports a living space. You said they work and have some money. So tell them they are not entitled to soil neighborhoods merely because they want to live in a certain area of the country. There are alot of things people want....and sometimes they just cant have them. Thats life.
    Do they not enforce vagrancy laws anymore?

  10. #30
    you are living in a dream world. Big business and special interests rule. So cutting out big business contracts in favor of helping the homeless aint gonna happen .
    It will come from raising of taxes, or locally shifting funds from education. police, senior citizen programs.

  11. #31
    they can if they choose.....but what cop wants to touch and put a lice infested urine soaked person in their patrol car.

    Otis the town drunk and vagrant in Mayberry was lovable, and didnt stink up the sherriffs jail. But vagrants of 2018 can be covered in urine and feces.

    And then the jail space is scarce. So for the folks that KJ talks about that are hard working people collecting a paycheck but living on the street.....there is plenty of violent criminals taking up the jail space.

  12. #32
    Originally Posted by LarryS View Post

    Otis the town drunk and vagrant in Mayberry was lovable, and didnt stink up the sherriffs jail.
    He didn't? How do you know? Did your travels from NJ to California take you through Mayberry?

    I watch Andy griffin several times a week while eating our evening meal between 7-8. I love that show. Why would you think Otis didn't smell bad? He was a drunk?

    BTW, for the last week or so, they have reverted to the first year's show and I not only am seeing episodes I haven't seen before but you see other differences. Andy is a little more of a country hick, in his talk. Andy and barney have different girlfriends. Clara Edwards, aunt Bea's longtime friend and sometime nemesis, was in an episode last night but had a different name. two nights ago, there was a different person playing Floyd the barber.

    By the way, the person that played Floyd (except 2 nights ago) had a stroke during the run of the series. In the first year or two he is very active, but post stroke, he is always seated either in the barber's chair or on the bench out front. He also never uses one hand after the stroke.
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  13. #33
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Larry, that concept, ship the problem people, whether just lower income, people with mental issue somewhere else, is an often sough solution. Is that REALLY a solution? Again, I don't know the answers. But I don't think shipping the problem elsewhere is the answer, especially from someone who lives in that area and is suggesting shipping the problem elsewhere.
    It worked great for Nevada.....until they got caught.

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  14. #34
    because as you know, he was in jail quite a bit, and it was a one room sheriff.office/jail combination. And andy never ever commented about the stench. Even whispering to Barney so as not to hurt the feelings of Otis. Andy would get visitors while Otis was in the jail, and again not a peep.
    There was no divider in the room. I never saw an air freshener candle burning...probably because they probably didnt exist.
    I never saw a can of Lysol handy or being used.
    I never saw urine stains on his pants
    Nor did i see track marks on his arms
    There was one episode where from behind bars he called andy a motherfucking cocksucker and he threatened to rape Aunt Bea.....but other than that one episode he was rather docile.

  15. #35
    Originally Posted by LarryS View Post
    because as you know, he was in jail quite a bit, and it was a one room sheriff.office/jail combination. And andy never ever commented about the stench. Even whispering to Barney so as not to hurt the feelings of Otis. Andy would get visitors while Otis was in the jail, and again not a peep.
    There was no divider in the room. I never saw an air freshener candle burning...probably because they probably didnt exist.
    I never saw a can of Lysol handy or being used.
    I never saw urine stains on his pants
    Nor did i see track marks on his arms
    There was one episode where from behind bars he called andy a motherfucking cocksucker and he threatened to rape Aunt Bea.....but other than that one episode he was rather docile.
    And dont forget Otis had a respectable wife and home. He just had a bit of a drinking problem.

  16. #36
    Yes, that was a show for the ages. Mostly mini morality plays on how to act as a kid and how to act as a grown up. Opie learned valuable lessons and about consequences to actions and decisions whch ended up being a teaching to to kids growing up watching it. And it taught a lesson on parenting, as Andy was not dismissive of his kid, he would sit down and talk to him like a real person.

    Leave it to beaver was and is also a treat to watch. The realistic writing from the point of view of children was remarkable as the adult writers had a great ear and remembrance of childhood banter and thought processes.

    there was something that rings true on both of those shows....which keeps them on the air.
    Last edited by LarryS; 01-18-2018 at 02:01 PM.

  17. #37
    "Gumby" was a show cut from the same cloth, albeit with a Christian point of view / message.
    What, Me Worry?

  18. #38
    back in the day, alot of the shows were mini morality plats as was cartoons.....but then came the married with children generation....and nothing has been the same since. trash talking and "getting the best " of people took over as common themes

  19. #39
    Originally Posted by MisterV View Post
    "Gumby" was a show cut from the same cloth, albeit with a Christian point of view / message.
    Same guy did Davey and Goliath I believe. Same claymation type show.

  20. #40
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Originally Posted by quahaug View Post
    Originally Posted by MisterV View Post

    IIRC, didn't Alan say he has an apartment?
    An opulent apartment.
    I actually live in a modest apartment in a very nice area of town and frankly I never want the upkeep of a house again.
    I've been to Alan's apartment and can say he is being VERY modest. I mean with the shag rugs the beautiful walnut paneling and the water bed with the mirrors on the ceiling in the master bedroom it's like a holiday every day!
    Take off that stupid mask you big baby.

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