Dice Switching (WoV)

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How much of an advantage do you have in prison?

That being said many illegal things are able to be accomplished with infitessimally small chances of prison. Enough that there is no reason to put thought into hustles that could put oneself behind bars. You can shoplift, card fraud, etc. with absolutely no chance of doing time.

You have a point. I mean you can explain how if your in other countries and decide to make illegal moves you can lose your hands or life as well. My point was about having the advantage or not having the advantage from a mathematical standpoint. I think it is very clear that individuals who decide to make illegal moves to get advantages have to be completely sharper compared to an AP who is not taking any illegal chances. Always remember the Police can miss many times over but a Thief can only miss once.

Shoplifting and Credit Fraud are by far the easiest illegal advantage moves in my opinion in the good old U.S. of A. I personally had a local store constantly hound me by mail about how they will give me 10k in credit. After months and months of throwing these letters in the mail I had enough and went into the place. They made me sign some contracts with some amazing interest. 27% if I remember correctly but that didn't matter because I never planned on making any payments. It turns out that they sell defective merchandise and if you bring it home and do not jump through many hoops within 24 hours you basically get stuck with it. It doesn't matter, everything that I bought and had delivered worked out just fine. However a few devices were completely not working and I could not exchange them. No worries, just head over to your local Best Buy and purchase the same product. Later that evening go back with the same box but defective product in that box. Ask for your money back and show them your receipt. Pretty simple. Always deal in Cash on these adventures. Also when you do decide to do something like this make sure your credit is already destroyed to the point of not caring and since America is built on not paying your debt they don't have a debtors prison. As MaxPen stated... no chance of any prison or problems in general.

How much of an advantage do you have in prison?

I would have to say this depends on how much time one is going to do. It is clear that some outlaws come out of prison smarter and better connected compared to when they went in. I have heard stories that it can be considered a University for the Criminal. I am not saying that I would want to go inside to get this education. I think that is clear since I have never gone and I consider myself a two bit hustler that doesn't risk prison for larger gains. This would also depend on how young a person was. Perhaps if I was in my early twenties it wouldn't of been so difficult but in no way shape or form could I handle 30 days in prison let alone 2 to 5 years at my current age/health/status in life.

Take for instance the old timers who drilled their way into Hatton Garden. Long time Ex-Cons and Criminals. Unfortunately they spent too much time on the internet just like myself. Sometimes, I get the questions about why I do this or say that. I tell them... they know where I'm at... I'm not hiding... come and get me cockroaches!

In my opinion Casino Cheats are some of the smartest people on earth. I hope that I never get on their bad side.

[LarryS]

I can say the same thing about child molestors. The doctor put away for life today was book smart, and like all child molestors...smart when it comes to manipulating kids.

cheats and molestors., smart people...I dont want to get close enough to get on any "side" of them,

[AxelWolf]

You have a point. I mean you can explain how if your in other countries and decide to make illegal moves you can lose your hands or life as well. My point was about having the advantage or not having the advantage from a mathematical standpoint. I think it is very clear that individuals who decide to make illegal moves to get advantages have to be completely sharper compared to an AP who is not taking any illegal chances. Always remember the Police can miss many times over but a Thief can only miss once.

Shoplifting and Credit Fraud are by far the easiest illegal advantage moves in my opinion in the good old U.S. of A. I personally had a local store constantly hound me by mail about how they will give me 10k in credit. After months and months of throwing these letters in the mail I had enough and went into the place. They made me sign some contracts with some amazing interest. 27% if I remember correctly but that didn't matter because I never planned on making any payments. It turns out that they sell defective merchandise and if you bring it home and do not jump through many hoops within 24 hours you basically get stuck with it. It doesn't matter, everything that I bought and had delivered worked out just fine. However a few devices were completely not working and I could not exchange them. No worries, just head over to your local Best Buy and purchase the same product. Later that evening go back with the same box but defective product in that box. Ask for your money back and show them your receipt. Pretty simple. Always deal in Cash on these adventures. Also when you do decide to do something like this make sure your credit is already destroyed to the point of not caring and since America is built on not paying your debt they don't have a debtors prison. As MaxPen stated... no chance of any prison or problems in general.

How much of an advantage do you have in prison?

I would have to say this depends on how much time one is going to do. It is clear that some outlaws come out of prison smarter and better connected compared to when they went in. I have heard stories that it can be considered a University for the Criminal. I am not saying that I would want to go inside to get this education. I think that is clear since I have never gone and I consider myself a two bit hustler that doesn't risk prison for larger gains. This would also depend on how young a person was. Perhaps if I was in my early twenties it wouldn't of been so difficult but in no way shape or form could I handle 30 days in prison let alone 2 to 5 years at my current age/health/status in life.

Take for instance the old timers who drilled their way into Hatton Garden. Long time Ex-Cons and Criminals. Unfortunately they spent too much time on the internet just like myself. Sometimes, I get the questions about why I do this or say that. I tell them... they know where I'm at... I'm not hiding... come and get me cockroaches!

In my opinion Casino Cheats are some of the smartest people on earth. I hope that I never get on their bad side.

There is legal cheating and then there is illegal cheating. Then, of course, there are some grey areas of all different levels. (or is it gray? I have yet to figure that out, perhaps it depends on where you are from?)

Here an example of what would technically be cheating. BUT NOT ILLEGAL. IMO its a very, very light shade of grey. I have yet to run into anyone (AP or not) that wouldn't do it. Ya, I know, there are lots of people who probably wouldn't(good for them). Most match plays and various coupons say one per day per customer. There are guys like me, who will go from table to table and play as many as they can get off without being detected. I have played as many as or more that 30 $50 aces on one shift.

Here's something people were doing that was very grey. When I heard people were doing it, I myself, thought for sure it would be illegal(I didn't participate). People were making copies of drawing tickets and stuffing the drum and winning. Their argument was: Nowhere in the rules did it say you couldn't do that. Apparently, gaming didn't consider it ILLEGAL cheating, at least not at the time.

Switching dice or cards, past posting, marking cards, rigging machines, shocking machines is all illegal cheating ( BTW guys found a way to shock machines

with their watches. They were building up static electricity from the carpet. Somehow it would cause the hopper to dump all the coins)

Let's not mix AP, grey areas, cheating, and illegal cheating altogether. It may be all the same person to some individuals but certainly not everyone.

I have yet to met one successful AP who hasn't ever broken any of the casino rules.

[Glenbaccarat9]

You seem to have left out insurance companies. Particularly bad, almost if not criminal are auto, truck and cargo insurers! I spent 15 years in the wrecker business in montana and north dakota and i will tell you that many good and hard working family businesses get screwed by insurance companies. Many of us got tired of them abandoning wrecks. Particularly heavy semi trucks on us if the salavage value did not profit their paying the recovery charges. Etc, so we had anti insurance dumping laws past, where they could not dump and forget them, now joe citizen is another thing. Nothing to stop him from not picking up a tow in except maybe holding personal property if worth anything. But i was in eastern montana and not large volume of light duty accident tow ins, but busniess that seems legit and almighty does anything and everything they can to chop bills, not pay and cheat legit, sound and honedt small business.

Got worse after 2008 ecomony crash cause the insurance companies had to turn a profit from their policy premiums cause they could not on the investment side any longer.

[tableplay]

You have a point. I mean you can explain how if your in other countries and decide to make illegal moves you can lose your hands or life as well. My point was about having the advantage or not having the advantage from a mathematical standpoint. I think it is very clear that individuals who decide to make illegal moves to get advantages have to be completely sharper compared to an AP who is not taking any illegal chances. Always remember the Police can miss many times over but a Thief can only miss once.

Shoplifting and Credit Fraud are by far the easiest illegal advantage moves in my opinion in the good old U.S. of A. I personally had a local store constantly hound me by mail about how they will give me 10k in credit. After months and months of throwing these letters in the mail I had enough and went into the place. They made me sign some contracts with some amazing interest. 27% if I remember correctly but that didn't matter because I never planned on making any payments. It turns out that they sell defective merchandise and if you bring it home and do not jump through many hoops within 24 hours you basically get stuck with it. It doesn't matter, everything that I bought and had delivered worked out just fine. However a few devices were completely not working and I could not exchange them. No worries, just head over to your local Best Buy and purchase the same product. Later that evening go back with the same box but defective product in that box. Ask for your money back and show them your receipt. Pretty simple. Always deal in Cash on these adventures. Also when you do decide to do something like this make sure your credit is already destroyed to the point of not caring and since America is built on not paying your debt they don't have a debtors prison. As MaxPen stated... no chance of any prison or problems in general.



I would have to say this depends on how much time one is going to do. It is clear that some outlaws come out of prison smarter and better connected compared to when they went in. I have heard stories that it can be considered a University for the Criminal. I am not saying that I would want to go inside to get this education. I think that is clear since I have never gone and I consider myself a two bit hustler that doesn't risk prison for larger gains. This would also depend on how young a person was. Perhaps if I was in my early twenties it wouldn't of been so difficult but in no way shape or form could I handle 30 days in prison let alone 2 to 5 years at my current age/health/status in life.

Take for instance the old timers who drilled their way into Hatton Garden. Long time Ex-Cons and Criminals. Unfortunately they spent too much time on the internet just like myself. Sometimes, I get the questions about why I do this or say that. I tell them... they know where I'm at... I'm not hiding... come and get me cockroaches!

In my opinion Casino Cheats are some of the smartest people on earth. I hope that I never get on their bad side.

There is legal cheating and then there is illegal cheating. Then, of course, there are some grey areas of all different levels. (or is it gray? I have yet to figure that out, perhaps it depends on where you are from?)

Here an example of what would technically be cheating. BUT NOT ILLEGAL. IMO its a very, very light shade of grey. I have yet to run into anyone (AP or not) that wouldn't do it. Ya, I know, there are lots of people who probably wouldn't(good for them). Most match plays and various coupons say one per day per customer. There are guys like me, who will go from table to table and play as many as they can get off without being detected. I have played as many as or more that 30 $50 aces on one shift.

Here's something people were doing that was very grey. When I heard people were doing it, I myself, thought for sure it would be illegal(I didn't participate). People were making copies of drawing tickets and stuffing the drum and winning. Their argument was: Nowhere in the rules did it say you couldn't do that. Apparently, gaming didn't consider it ILLEGAL cheating, at least not at the time.

Switching dice or cards, past posting, marking cards, rigging machines, shocking machines is all illegal cheating ( BTW guys found a way to shock machines

with their watches. They were building up static electricity from the carpet. Somehow it would cause the hopper to dump all the coins)

Let's not mix AP, grey areas, cheating, and illegal cheating altogether. It may be all the same person to some individuals but certainly not everyone.

I have yet to met one successful AP who hasn't ever broken any of the casino rules.

Great points Axel.