Lucky Dragon Drawing

[MaxPen]

Porky Asian Broad... Pure Evil comment typed out! I expect these things from myself but not you guys!

Basically 300 EV per ticket in drum if things were played straight. Not sure if it was though.

If it was only mentioned once about rigged drums and playing it straight I'd let it alone but twice? So much to comment here about playing it straight, drawing drums, rigging, employee theft, pre-shuffled Chinese decks, AP's getting 1000 a week in FP, AP's upset when accounts get closed with no notice, pointing fingers, hypocrites and on and on but at last who cares? The beat goes on. I am sticking my fingers in my ears, running out the door, yelling na na na na na really loud.

I take it you didn't attend as you knew the fix would be in. I don't know anyone crying about it. Like I said, if I wasn't able to procure that good spot in line I would have bailed just from the sheer number of people alone. I had a fellow AP cut in line with me. There were 2 others that I knew in the same spot as KJ.
The other AP with me that made it into the drawing. One number in front of his was called and two numbers sequentially behind his were called. Tickets were being provided from a sequential roll from Office Depot as the staff wrote your player number and name on the half going into the drum. Funny things is those 2 people were nowhere near me or my friend in line. Make of that what you will.
Anyway hats off to the extremely demure young Asian girl drawing tickets from the drum. She did a fantastic job and hopefully is enjoying her end.

[kewlJ]

The winners were not Asian. All the better when the fix is in. There was actually one lady called that was not present. There was no advanced drum stuffing. Would be easy for the person drawing to have first ticket palmed for the 11k drawing. Ample time of about one minute between names to eyeball other confederates tickets in the drum. There was absolutely no excitement by the first few winners displayed. The last 2 were excited. Make of it what you will.

Thank you for confirming that. I am not normally a conspiracy type, ya know....Chinese cards and all , BUT on this one if all 8 or even 7 of 8 winners had Asian last names, I would have become one. While there were many Asians in line, as you might expect from an Asian themed casino, the majority in line that I saw were not Asian, so I would have been suspicious if that had occurred.

After about 30 minutes in line, when we hadn't moved an inch and there were more people than I anticipated, I thought of leaving. I know my partner wanted to leave. But I figured even at 400 people, with 8 names being drawn, you still had a 1 in 50 chance at $5000, that's $100 in expectation.... a little more because the top prize was more. We were only heading out to dinner, so what's an extra hour for $100 each in EV?

I mean, I guess if they had allowed everyone to register, it would have taken a second hour and then you are down to $50 an hr EV. So if you had told me that before hand, that 400 people would show, I would have passed, but once you are there and invest some time, I would have stayed that second hour.

[MaxPen]

Thank you for confirming that. I am not normally a conspiracy type, ya know....Chinese cards and all , BUT on this one if all 8 or even 7 of 8 winners had Asian last names, I would have become one.
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Do you have an Asian phobia?😜

[kewlJ]

Thank you for confirming that. I am not normally a conspiracy type, ya know....Chinese cards and all , BUT on this one if all 8 or even 7 of 8 winners had Asian last names, I would have become one.
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Do you have an Asian phobia?��

Not at all. What's the standard line?...."hey some of my best friends are Asian" (altered from the usual "black" usage).

Hey I play games with playing cards made in Chinese prisons.

Seriously, I have no issues like that. I judge people individually. Except the damn boozing Irish (of which I am one). BUT, I would have thought it very suspicious if an Asian themed casino drew 8 Asian names as contest winners, when only about 30% of entries appeared to be Asian. And you can replace the "Asian" with any other nationality and I would have the same concerns regarding the drawing. So I am glad that you dispelled that possibility.

[MaxPen]

Got it. You would have morphed into this guy had you needed. Maybe a little more porky to create camaraderie with the porker working the line.

[monet]

I have been directly involved in fixing drawing drums in Vegas and have been directly involved as the confederate army. You guys like that word. Why does it have to be confederate, why not blue belly? Anyways, my point is at no time when I was on the fixed side was I upset. Therefore when I am involved in something and it doesn't smell or look right I just tip my cap so to speak. How can I be mad at someone just trying to put food on the table for their family? I'll catch the next train.

[mickeycrimm]

I have been directly involved in fixing drawing drums in Vegas and have been directly involved as the confederate army. You guys like that word. Why does it have to be confederate, why not blue belly? Anyways, my point is at no time when I was on the fixed side was I upset. Therefore when I am involved in something and it doesn't smell or look right I just tip my cap so to speak. How can I be mad at someone just trying to put food on the table for their family? I'll catch the next train.

It's easy to palm a ticket, stick your hand down in the drum amongst the other tickets then switch the ticket to your fingers without anyone seeing it.

[MisterV]

That must be what I observed them do at a tribal casino some years ago, not too long after they opened.

There was a drawing for cash, and you got entry tickets based on play.

There were about five or so different tickets drawn IIRC.

Gee, funny thing, the same guy won TWICE.

I'd seen him before, he was a regular, but REALLY?!

Not as unlikely as 18 yo's in a row, but I'm convinced it was gaffed.

No point in complaining, since it's an Indian joint: they'd just tell me to fuck off.

[Spock]

What seems fishy, isn't always so.

I was at a casino that had 3 draws a night with 3 people chosen each time.

I got nothing on the first, but was selected 3rd on the second draw.

On the third draw the lady that had placed second on the previous draw, (the one I followed as third), was selected in 2nd place again and I'd guess the crowd of 30-40 people probably thought it was rigged.

Then I got picked again for the final slot at which point I'd guess everyone in the audience thought it was rigged.

But as far as I know it wasn't. I did have quite a few tickets because I had been playing a lot, but nowhere nearly enough to warrant rigging it in my favor.

[DJatc]

I'm aZn and didn't win shits rigged homie

[AxelWolf]

That must be what I observed them do at a tribal casino some years ago, not too long after they opened.

There was a drawing for cash, and you got entry tickets based on play.

There were about five or so different tickets drawn IIRC.

Gee, funny thing, the same guy won TWICE.

I'd seen him before, he was a regular, but REALLY?!

Not as unlikely as 18 yo's in a row, but I'm convinced it was gaffed.

No point in complaining, since it's an Indian joint: they'd just tell me to fuck off.

LOL. Being called twice when your entries are based on play(or any method where you can earn multiple entries) is not even close to getting 2 yo's in a row. I have been called 6 out of ten times in a drawing. There are times where an individual AP might have 80% of the tickets in a drawing, so it wouldn't be that unusual to get called multiple times. There were times when you could earn tickets playing full pay $1 DW so it was worthwhile to earn as many as you could get even though you diluted your own ticket value.

I have had many thousands of tickets in one drawing. Back when they mainly used paper tickets, the hardest part was finding your ticket in 3 to 10 minutes(that's kinda stressful). Oftentimes, they didn't even call your name, just the ticket number. I almost ran out of time with 1 seconds left on the countdown.

Ploppies go batshit crazy when the same person gets called more than once. Now imagine when someone gets called 3, 4, 5 or 6 times.

Many casinos changed their policy when it came to winning multiple times. Many casinos changed their policy and disallowed any folded, crimped or bent tickets.

I'm guilty of bringing in trash bags full of crimped tickets. For the most part that's a dumb thing to do when you are an AP, however, it's impossible to get thousands of tickets in the drum through that little slit so you have to wait until they opened it up and let you shove them all in at once. Probably not something I would do nowadays. I would just pay someone to put them in a few hundred at a time. At the time they didn't seem to care all that much. Thinking back, it's kinda funny when the security guard is helping you stuff them in the drum.

At smaller locations, I have been a victim of attempted palming( I once saw the girl palming a ticket and called her out). More than once, I have had my name pulled and then they claimed it was illegible and toss it back quickly(once for 20k).

[redietz]

I have two perspectives on this, from a smaller scale than Axelwolf's.

First, I've been in Monday night football drawings at smaller places that gave tickets based on bets of a certain size (like one ticket for each $50) where I've had my name drawn multiple times and been given the dagger eyes by the studio audience. I routinely walked away with multiple prizes at the old Monday night Circus Circus drawings, for example.

On the other hand, I also know that certain drawings have been rigged. I'm not talking palming, either. In addition, I have it on very good authority that one of the repeated classic promos in Las Vegas 15-25 years ago was rigged on a routine basis.

[AxelWolf]

."hey some of my best friends are Asian"

So you have had a little Asian in you.

[kewlJ]

Just reading the February edition of the LVA newsletter. Anthony Curtis has his take on the Lucky Dragon drawing last week. Much like myself, Curtis intitially dismissed his email as a mistake, something along the lines of a pre-programmed mailing. (hense why I posted to begin with) But upon learning from a friend what the drawing really was, like the rest of us Anthony showed up hoping for a minimal turnout. Anthony showed up later than I and was towards the back of the line, so obviously he didn't get entered.

BUT, in an interesting development, Anthony included the official rules from the Lucky Dragon rule sheet. Where you find that I have no idea? But anyway the official rules state: “The drawing will happen promptly at 5:15 pm once all guests have been entered.” In my opinion they violated their own official rules by closing and limiting the entries, as all guests obviously did not get the chance to be entered. But again, they didn't really care, nor care of any possible penalty.

[mickeycrimm]

In 2006 I worked drawings twice a week for months at the Hotel Nevada in Ely. 12 names were called. When your name was called you went up and got your envelope then reached in the drum and drew the ticket for the next winner. Myself and another AP dominated the drum. We batted about 90% on being called. But you could only win once.

Since we were in a podunk little town you heard a lot of the same names being called from drawing to drawing, regular customers. But this other AP noticed a pattern in the name calling. I was totally oblivious. He went and put a bug in the assistant casino manager's ear and the three culprits got caught.

If one of them got called it insured all three got called. One would go up, get his envelope, then stick his hand down in the drum with the palmed ticket for one of the other guys. Then the 2nd guy would do the same thing for the third guy. They got away with it for a few weeks.