Hot Sucker

[The Boz]

Why did they close it in the first place? It was a great value and the food was ok but after 6 ot 7 times it was just ok.

https://vegas.eater.com/2017/2/7/145...en-gate-closed

[tableplay]

A few years? I'll take the over; way too many olds aren't going to keep up with that tech that soon (neither of my parents own a smartphone).

Monet - can you explain the terms "cut card" and "8-8-8"?

Your parents and I have something in common. Also, there will always be places that never change - Comstock Casino and Cactus Jack's in Carson don't even use cards. I think Diamonds Casino in Reno still is on coins rather than TITO. And so on. But I do think that the publicly traded casino companies are more likely to implement these changes in their casino chains in a few years (say 5-7) years than not. I think it is a passive aggressive technique to eliminate the less well-heeled crowd if you get my drift, as well as advantage play techniques.

Anyway I found the article. Let the members of the forum be the judge of if,when, and to what scale this change brings:
https://www.cdcgamingreports.com/com...o-card-future/

relevant excerpt: "There are four major systems suppliers: Aristocrat, IGT, Konami, and Scientific Games (Bally). Each one of them are working on cardless solutions now and will be happy to show and demo their functionality in their booths. But they all say the tipping point is about two years away, and will come in stages."

[mickeycrimm]

Why did they close it in the first place? It was a great value and the food was ok but after 6 ot 7 times it was just ok.

https://vegas.eater.com/2017/2/7/145...en-gate-closed

The place was called Bay City Diner before it was Dupars. It was always busy and the food was good too. The rent is probably to high.

[redietz]

Why did they close it in the first place? It was a great value and the food was ok but after 6 ot 7 times it was just ok.

https://vegas.eater.com/2017/2/7/145...en-gate-closed

The place was called Bay City Diner before it was Dupars. It was always busy and the food was good too. The rent is probably to high.

I liked the Bay City Diner. Good pork chops.

[RS__]

Why was my posted deleted? All I wrote was "I like the food comp stuff written here"

I like the stuff about food comps

GFY

[mickeycrimm]

The article says Dupars closed a year ago. Does that mean that Golden Gate hasn't found anyone to operate it for a year now?

[monet]

Monet - can you explain the terms "cut card" and "8-8-8"?

Cut Card is when the game you are playing isn't giving you full points. Perhaps you have seen things like "this machine gives 1 point for 12 dollars" or perhaps "3 dollars for 1 point on this machine."

888 is something a team can do to lock down a progressive. You can make the hours whatever you want with as many people as you want. When I think of 888 I think of 3 players taking 8 hour shifts on the machine or bank. One time long ago at Jerry's Nugget the head honcho came over and said I know what you guys are doing with this 888 rotation. I suggest you either cool it or don't come back for some time.

Stay tuned in as we tour the Casinos and current mail offers that I and others receive. I have things to do like change curtains and walk the dogs, paint the walls, move boxes and so on and so forth but I am dedicated to give this forum my time and energy with the hopes that we can turn things around for the better. These forums, for the most part are similar to snake pits where people take sides and bite one another all day long not giving up any real information or being sincere. It also seems to be a place with some misinformation. They also seem to be grounds for recruiting which is fine but not my bag. I'd like to see some small effort of change, so we continue on down the rabbit trail.

For those hoping to hear about current conditions with the Devil, otherwise known as CET or MGM you will have to get your information elsewhere as I haven't frequented their establishments for years upon years.

[redietz]

Monet - can you explain the terms "cut card" and "8-8-8"?

Cut Card is when the game you are playing isn't giving you full points. Perhaps you have seen things like "this machine gives 1 point for 12 dollars" or perhaps "3 dollars for 1 point on this machine."

888 is something a team can do to lock down a progressive. You can make the hours whatever you want with as many people as you want. When I think of 888 I think of 3 players taking 8 hour shifts on the machine or bank. One time long ago at Jerry's Nugget the head honcho came over and said I know what you guys are doing with this 888 rotation. I suggest you either cool it or don't come back for some time.

Stay tuned in as we tour the Casinos and current mail offers that I and others receive. I have things to do like change curtains and walk the dogs, paint the walls, move boxes and so on and so forth but I am dedicated to give this forum my time and energy with the hopes that we can turn things around for the better. These forums, for the most part are similar to snake pits where people take sides and bite one another all day long not giving up any real information or being sincere. It also seems to be a place with some misinformation. They also seem to be grounds for recruiting which is fine but not my bag. I'd like to see some small effort of change, so we continue on down the rabbit trail.

For those hoping to hear about current conditions with the Devil, otherwise known as CET or MGM you will have to get your information elsewhere as I haven't frequented their establishments for years upon years.

I prefer calling CET "The Borg" -- as in they will assimilate everything. "Devil" sounds good for MGM.

If Boyd cuts their payouts as rumored, it'll be another comical turn. Room income taxes were down almost 8% in October due to the massacre, and down almost 10% in November. It would be just like LV chains to think that screwing the idiots who frequent them will be the way to make up lost income because of a mass assassination.

Yeah, that's the ticket (since SNL is in vogue on this thread).

[monet]

I prefer calling CET "The Borg" -- as in they will assimilate everything. "Devil" sounds good for MGM.

If Boyd cuts their payouts as rumored, it'll be another comical turn. Room income taxes were down almost 8% in October due to the massacre, and down almost 10% in November. It would be just like LV chains to think that screwing the idiots who frequent them will be the way to make up lost income because of a mass assassination.

Yeah, that's the ticket (since SNL is in vogue on this thread).

Perfect! The Borg! Great analogy that I haven't used for some time. You can also get silly if you want to with the Lawnmower Man.
Think... Access Denied, Access Denied, Access Denied, Access Denied, Access Denied... I suppose it isn't such a great analogy because most players will never figure out how to get to Access Granted and that includes myself.

SNL is fine as long as it pre dates Y2K. I would venture everyone would agree after the late 90s it wasn't worth watching anymore. I know for myself I have tried but it just doesn't make me laugh anymore. I really enjoy Alec Baldwin and most of his movies but I never could enjoy him as Trump although I get it. I also enjoy Baldwins personal life. He really seems like many of the characters he portrays. Interesting note for you movie buffs out there is that in the movie, Great Balls of Fire, good old Alec played Jimmy Lee Swaggart and of course Dennis Quaid was Jerry Lee but did you know that Winona Ryder was in it as well?

The other thing I forgot to mention about Jon Lovitz is that 3 times I had comped tickets to go see him and Dana Carvey at the SLS. Needless to say all three times I blew them off. One time so I could sleep more. The other time I think I was curled up in the fetal position in my closet after losing 17k because I am a clown. The last time I just plain forgot.

[tableplay]

but did you know that Winona Ryder was in it as well?

I noticed that Kevin Bacon was in Animal House and John Cusack was in 16 Candles.

[LarryS]

dont forget academy award nominee tom hulce, and karen allen, and belushi and kevin bacon, peter riegrt

that was my first VCR i ever bought when it first became available. I had what felt like an 80 lb panasonic vcr unit.....and the tape cost me 50 dollars....and thats when 50 dollars was a days pay after taxes.

[DJatc]

Why was my posted deleted? All I wrote was "I like the food comp stuff written here"

I like the stuff about food comps

GFY

Looks like a conspiracy. Dan Druff must have moved my AP play about food comps to that post instead of leaving it at this one

[monet]

Where was I? Oh right... kicking the tires and lighting the fires! Let's be honest this information isn't burning anything down IMO. That is my opinion though and it could be incorrect. I really don't know. I am trying to share in my way. I don't like to Private Message people when typing things out which is odd because I would rather talk to individuals one on one in person but when it comes to an internet forum I want it to be on the public pages. I truly am screwed up mentally. Oh well, over on WoV those members came right out and said that ZenKing had mental issues and needed to seek medical help. It would seem very difficult to me to make some sort of analysis like that over an internet forum board. Anyone can make up anything or be anyone on the internet. It isn't that hard and from my perspective we could very well all be mentally challenged just being a part of these boards. Enough of that dribble. Let us try to break down the Golden Nugget which will be difficult for me to say the least.

14. Golden Nugget

Now that I seem to have everyone's attention I can slowly post up the information like some good Russian Novel. Don't mind me. I am just being a jerk as already accused of. It isn't my fault that I do get some entertainment value out of all of this and I truly do believe that it isn't hurting anyone but more so helping the casual player.

So I will say that it appears that out of state ID works better in this Casino. It isn't to say that you won't get offers for Locals but I seem to get better with the California and Arizona IDs. The problem is that when you show up and take the offers you better well keep playing. Do not just show up and take off the free play or play the tournaments without putting in some action. They don't like that it seems recently. Gone are the days of the .6 players card and tons of full pay VP. Gone are the days of mistakes found all over in this Casino or even the 3 week period of the Deuces Wild Progressive Bank that was moved and the numbers reset so the player would have a 5% edge. That was a nice time. I was one of the few players that found it. Someone had mentioned that the Mole seen it as well so they figured that it wouldn't last as long as it did. I made a little over 8k in 3 short weeks playing quarters. Not bad in my opinion when you consider the mail and comps. I also was invited to the 4 man scramble golfing event. My group was complaining about players pencil whipping everyone but these SOBs were unwilling to participate in such dishonest behavior. Why even mention it if your not going to let us pencil whip them back. Oh well we didn't do so bad. Everyone got 2 black chips in our group and I guess those guys had a sense of honesty holding up their heads high in the clouds. The damn event is fun though. You get to play 4 way golf and the best score counts. They have free drink and food carts flying all over the place so you can stay well hydrated. Just plain fun IMO.

Anyways back to current conditions. You can play the 9/5 JoBs that is a progressive in the back... I think it is 9/5. So with the progressive and the mail you should get over 100% if you work things properly. You can find plenty of 7/5 BP. Be careful with the Reels. They are basically set at an 8% loser meaning 92% payback. Very difficult to find winners and even when you do find something like on the Flaming Sevens the damn game is so volatile it will take you plenty of coin in to see your positive. They took out the 9/6 Jacks and the 5 dollar version as well long ago. They took all the 10/7 DB out too. They have plenty of beatable visions and must hits if that is your thing. I am sure they have something that I missed but for the most part I have only tried to beat the 160k Reel Machine that takes 2 dollars at a time to spin the Reels. Not an easy task and I don't like that the progressive never moves anymore.

So the best thing to do is to play out of state but you have to keep turning the wheels to get the offers and avoid detection. When I got No Mailed I only got cut off. I didn't get thrown out so to speak. I made adjustments and the mail started to roll in again after a 4 month interval. Landry's is a tough Corporation. I actually worked for them in the Flats in Cleveland for a short while. From what I understand they have a lock on the F and B industry and seem to run their Casino as if they were CET or MGM. They told me personally that they were downtown but they consider themselves a Strip Property. Evil Bastards. As Maxpen stated they may have a timeshare seminar to exploit. I did exploit them on some TV show thing for an hour so in my mind 20 bucks is worth my hour and trouble to not watch a show but act like I am watching.

[monet]

Some people understand pictures over words. Let us look a few current mailers that are for the month of February 2018.

[pkspins]

This is very interesting reading.

I live outside Nevada but don't get many offers. The only non-CET/MLife casinos I have played at in Vegas are Cosmo, Tropicana & the now-closed Lucky Dragon.

I have never received any offers or correspondence from Cosmo ever. I played there twice on one trip in 2015, with minimal coin in, and once in Jan 2017 for a couple $K in coin in on slots and left about break even. I haven't even gotten so much as an email from them ever.

Tropicana I played at on the same Jan 2017 trip Prior to that trip, I had been receiving offers from them based on play at a Hollywood Casino I passed in my travels (the one off I-80 near Youngstown, OH if it matters) for 3 hotel nights plus $100/day FP and I think $50/day food (not sure on amount) for 3 days. My OH play had me at Producer level with $120 FP twice a week that I was actually using 3-4 times a month when I stopped there as an extended rest stop when they were still sending me offers through 3Q, which is when I won a $2k progressive, took a check and left, after which that place no-mailed me but I kept getting the same level of offers from Tropicana. On my Jan 2017 trip, I stayed at CP but did drop in play at Tropicana - I don't do the whole check in to multiple hotels to get offers thing, so I just played with cash. I put in probably $1K+ in slot action, was down $300 at my worst, won a $1200 HP, won back another $200+ chasing a progressive that I gave up on then left $1100+ up. My offers from Tropicana, that continue to this day over a year later, are 3 or 4 night stays with $30 in FP and $10 in food credits per day, or the nights along with tickets to something or other or a tournament entry in lieu of the FP/Food$.

So if I had wanted to ever stay at Tropicana (I don't) it would have been more lucrative offer wise to take the initial offer based on my Hollywood play, which was accumulated point totals based on churning cash with minimal losses initially then churning cash generated from using free play offers generated by the initial coin churn. I'm not sure if it would still work, but it might be worth a careful investment to generate a couple $K in coin in at a local Hollywood, provided you don't already have a Tropicana play history, to generate free room offers there.

Is this the kind of out-of-town input you were looking for?

[monet]

Is this the kind of out-of-town input you were looking for?

In my personal opinion, I welcome all input. I do not mind if it is out of state or local. I do not mind if it is positive or negative. I do not even mind if it is, down and dirty, in the mud... personally attacking someone because they have run out of an intellectual way of defending their case. Animal instincts and Mob Mentality has to take over eventually on the educated, when enough pressure is applied. I suppose my point is... Yes your input is certainly appreciated!

[quahaug]

I played at green valley ranch once, didn't even get a card (I played with a local guys card for awhile, what the heck I'll help anybody out). I ended up hitting a twenty thousand dollar jackpot on five play dollar DW (with no card in). They took my info paid me in cash, I had a drink at the bar and left. I never heard from them and never went back. I would think they would want to get someone like me (tourist) to come back to return some of their dough. Is that standard operating procedure?

[monet]

I played at green valley ranch once, didn't even get a card (I played with a local guys card for awhile, what the heck I'll help anybody out). I ended up hitting a twenty thousand dollar jackpot on five play dollar DW (with no card in). They took my info paid me in cash, I had a drink at the bar and left. I never heard from them and never went back. I would think they would want to get someone like me (tourist) to come back to return some of their dough. Is that standard operating procedure?

You most likely will not hear from any Casino, in the LV area, without using a players card. This has to be the norm for over 15-20 years now. As I have stated before and you can find this information on the web all over the place, the mail is computer generated. You don't have a monkey upstairs, sorting through all the recent activity and jackpots or such. The computer might flag something so that a human can look up the individual player. Recently I have noticed, they are getting good with tracking players coming in using free play. The cameras are so good these days they can pause and zoom in on all of your activity. RS put up some information today about mailers on WoV. He stated that the Casino may have even wrote a players address down wrong. Over the years I have actually had my mail being messed up as well, having to go back to the club to turn it on or fix an issue. Sometimes, if your local, playing all the time... you may want to go into a Casino to check for free play if you haven't had any mail. I have had found large free play offers on my cards with no mail mailed to me by just checking on the machines. However, I am an unusual case. Most players do not have that type of time or desire to be in the Casino(s) 8 to 16 hours per day.

[monet]

15. Westgate or Hilton

I have already made a thread that the heat is on over here. I personally have not set foot in the door for a few months now. They are very concerned about free play and individuals taking off free play. If you have multiple cards from friends, family or partners you will want to come in on different hours. Use different type of machines. Mix things up with Reel Play. You may just want to play on your own card until things cool down. Do not even attempt another players card. Use up all of your comp as soon as you can. I have had reports of other players losing all their comp. The way I understand it is that they do not have the right to just 86, no mail you and take all your comp away that you earned. However I never advise anyone to go in and start complaining about such things. I have seen it go both ways. I have seen long time players go into Casinos and work things out and even get reinstated! That is very impressive. I prefer another method. Don't worry about it. Forget that Casino for years. I have seen where the Casino has been sold and the players that have been 86'd or no mailed show up and are wiped out of the system. They got the new player sign up bonus and are back to work. I suppose this falls under personal preference. Binions and the 4 Queens over the last few years have had an odd system. Some worker bee over there told me it was something like 18 months. If you had no activity for that period of time the computer will kick you out. I have been hoping this is the case with Circus Circus but I haven't seen that happen with them yet after being put upside down because of a comp glitch that I didn't abuse but got 500 dollars upside down with. Those guys are sore about others beating them up on such matters and told me I have to make it up with my play. I told them I won't. I figure I will just play on someone else's card... screw em. Let's test em and see what happens. That is more so of a generational thing. The generation before me would just roll you actually. Plenty of parking lot problems back in that era.

So let us see what do you have at Westgate. You have the new Poker Room lol!! That guy cracks me up trying to drum up business with his microphone that the whole Casino can hear. I wouldn't be surprised if you get the advertisement, from the carnival barker, in your room and upstairs hallways. Needless to say besides the poker room they have many of shoot down or vision type machines. They also have plenty of quarter to five dollar machines that you can play. The best game that I liked to play was the five dollar jokers. Some players were curious where I was playing the 4700 coin Royal with the cut quad at 90 coins instead of the full pay 100 version. Well this is it. I played plenty of it over there. The mail generated was amazing for a few years. Even before that before the change of ownership the mail was crazy at 400 per week at times. They even had large denominational Pick Em Poker if you so choose to play such things. That was a long time ago though. Let us try to stay with current conditions. I don't see anyone upset about the Star Trek Experience not being there anymore anyway.

They have some Reels you can play. You could mess with that crazy 7s game that they dumped a ton of progressive money into. I was trying the 90k version for some time before somebody else popped it. This is a 4 Reel 7s game that has the triple and double sevens with the 3/6/9 multipliers on the fourth Reel. Not an easy game but not as volatile as one might think. 3 coin dollar game. It also has a Respin feature on the 4th Reel and the Progressive Jackpot is Triple 7, Triple 7 Triple 7 with the 9x on the fourth reel. They had two games the last time I was over there. They were at 50k and 72k or so if they are still there, they will be higher. The double money reel machine is playable but you want around 4k to start. A few others but lets be honest nobody on here is going to take time for Reels so let us try to move onto a few video poker plays.

They squashed the dollar BP Progressive at the bar and after I hit aces a few times and a five dollar royal at the bars they eventually ripped all the 8/5 BP out. You can see the wave coming when your playing a lot in these casinos before the wave even gets close. They had a few sharpies including myself playing the 25 dollar BP in the high limit area. The card is exploitable over there and with all the scratch cards and few point days you can get an edge. The real play was the mail but I am sure that is over for some time now. I liked to play the Spin Poker that had the 9/7 Double Bonus over there... you can play nickles on up to dollars. Some sharpies liked to play the one ten play BP that was set to 8/5 on halves and dollars but I am sure they have that for profiling purposes. They have dollar 9/6 JoBs so that is the best slow play. Just put small coin in on those and don't waste your time too much. This should get the mail rolling. Weave in and out looking like someone who doesn't play much and wait for better opportunities perhaps? One nice thing about the comp on your card or the comp mail they send you is that you can use the coupon or your comp at any outlet. You can use them at the Siren marked Starbucks or in the Gift Shop or any restaurant. Your top tier card won't mean much even if they say it does. Nobody over there really understands being Elite compared to Ultra. They recently changed over the hosts to a younger generation getting rid of all the senior citizens throwing them to retirement. They look friendly on the mailers but I haven't met any of them in person.

[Bill Yung]

Came across this little story about a guy who picks up the loose slot change. It all adds up, but the casino has to know what he's doing.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/12/ny...the-slots.html